History and dna(north africa)

[Goldenwings]

North african ( berbers = amazigh)are:

Not white
Not black
Not arab
Not phoenecian
Not roman
Not german
North africans are amazigh
Probably the descendent of atlantis

Its crazy that whenever a race starts talking dna and mention berbers its almost everytime to claim the berbers as descendant of them. If anything its the opposite.

 

[Anemos Aiteros]

Remember that, historically, North Africa was populated by White People.

Not phoenecian

White Phoenecians created Carthage for example.

 

[Goldenwings]

Remember that, historically, North Africa was populated by White People.


White Phoenecians created Carthage for example.

What do you mean by "white people"? Since many amazigh are "white" but not white in the sense that they are europeans.
Phoenecians created carthage ?
Hannibal was amazigh
Syphax was amazigh
Massinssen who turned against hannibal because he was belittled by syphax and said "africa for africans " is amazigh
The numidian cavalry of hannibal is amazigh ( numidian = amazigh) and they then sided with massinissa

Septimus severus and caracalla are amazigh who ruled rome, can i say then that rome is amazigh?

Sheshonq is an amazigh who became pharoah and ruled egypt and also destroyed israel, is egypt and israel amazigh by consequence?

The Oasis of Siwa where alexander the great went for the temple of ammon, the indeginous people of Siwa are amazigh even if siwa is considred part of egypt

Andalous was ruled by amazigh for 700 years, does it mean spain is amazigh?

Me myself i am white with unique colour of hair and eyes does it mean i am "white" in the sense of european white ? No

The first king of arabs is aegyptos he is a libyan ( amazigh) does it mean the arabs are amazigh?

Even if rome founded the whole north africa it wont mean that north africans are romans , did you get my point ?

There are many berbers in sicily italy should i by consequence say sicily is berber ?

Some studies of modern egyptian dna claim 60% of their genetics is north african, should i by consequence say egypt is berber ?

In "mythology" many Gods are libyan or born in libyan land (= amazigh) does it mean this whole religion is berber ?
"Moreover the naming of almost all the gods has come to Hellas from Egypt: for that it has come from the Barbarians I find by inquiry is true, and I am of opinion that most probably it has come from Egypt, because, except in the case of Poseidon and the Dioscuroi (in accordance with that which I have said before), and also of Hera and Hestia and Themis and the Charites and Nereïds, the Egyptians have had the names of all the other gods in their country for all time. What I say here is that which the Egyptians think themselves: but as for the gods whose names they profess that they do not know, these I think received their naming from the Pelasgians, except Poseidon; but about this god the Hellenes learnt from the Libyans, for no people except the Libyans have had the name of Poseidon from the first and have paid honour to this god always. Nor, it may be added, have the Egyptians any custom of worshipping heroes." - herodute
The oracle of ammon was in Siwa oasis in Egypt(= amazigh) because:

The indigenous people of Siwa Oasis are berbers ( amazigh)

Alexander the great went to the temple in Siwa(= Amazigh)

Hannibal barca the amazigh general( whose name mean son of baal or something similar) also went to the temple in Siwa (= amazigh)

Also it is claimed that the priest which declared alexander the Great son of ammon is Libyan ( another name for "amazigh", ancient north africa was called libya)


Pausanias say that pindar sent his hymn of ammon to Libya ( amazigh land )

René basset claimed the cult of ammon started in lybia (amazigh land) before egypt

Gurzil ( libyan God) was considered son of Ammon( i hope someone tells the equivalent in other cultures of Agurzil)

Larbas (libyan(=amazigh)) was considered Son of Ammon

Other Gods which are known to be egyptians but are amazigh:

Athena ( check herodute) the clothes she wears are amazigh too
Neith ( check herodute and plato)

Atlas : related to Atlas mountains which are in the Amazigh Land

Is astrate same as nieth?or Athena ? Or tanit?

The last three are all amazigh Gods, lets talk about tanit , which some claim is the same as astrate

Tanit is related to numidians ( numidians = amazigh = libyans = north africans)

Her main temples were in tunisia and algeria ( north africa = amazigh)

Ulrich hofman suggest berbers (amazigh) are atlanteans

I must mention a point, the guanchee : people of canary island, are amazigh

Frederic dodson refer to berbers (amazigh) as atlanteans

Some linked descendants of atlantis to having a high concentration of negative Rh blood: in the Atlas mountains ( morocco) there is a tribe called Ait hdidu, when they analysed them they found around 40% of Rh negative blood which is higher than average, additionally many have blonde hair blue eyes etc , which is also linked to atlantis ( i also have been born with blonde hair and blue eyes , so are many members of my family), i also read somewhere high sexual energy is a sign as well ( im hypersexual, i learnt to calm myself down and transmute it )

Add to that Atlas who was king of Atlantis as Atlas being the first king of maure (another name for amazigh people)

After the destruction of atlantis , the descendent of atlantis built the pyramids all over the world, thats why some suggests the pyramids are built by the amazigh , or by other people who are originally from atlantis, i recommand you to check in google" The Shining ones ; an etymological essay on the Amazigh roots of Egyptian civilization" and " the complete genetic lineage of an ancient man of an ancient egyptian from old egyptian era" they found he is 80% north african( amazigh), also please check modern egyptian dna , many suggest (+60% of their dna is amazigh)

Plato talked about atlantis being beyond pillars of hercules( by the way there is a cave of hercule in north side of Morocco) many say its the strait of gibraltar

Check theories about Atlantis being Morocco, and relation to richat structure

According to michael hubner it was located in south west Morocco

Add to that that the oldest banking system is amazigh

Can we then claim that our religion is in fact amazigh ? Especially that if a God like poseidon is confirmed to be amazigh so will be his sons and so on

And sometimes the opposite, the son is confirmed to be amazigh can we then claim the parents are?

Add to that the berber language is one of the oldest in the planet and still spoken to day in opposite of the old language who arent

Add to all that , horses like mustang / frison / american thoroughbread and many are a product of mixing the berber horse with other race, can we claim then that the main race is the berber horse and the other horses are subraces and thus many horse breads are berber ?

The lions that people fought in rome arena were berber lions who lived in the atlas mountains , ans got extint because of europeans who hunted them until they went extint , can we then amazigh wash rome arena ?

Macrinus is an amazigh who ruled rome does it mean rome is amazigh?

In history, many claimed amazigh are phoenicians, black say we are european since we arent black ( while africa in history meant only north africa it mnever means the whole continent, also masinissa said "africa for africans and sided with scipio, so he refered to amazigh are africans )

Some say the guanche are not berbers, its proven now they are berbers

The touareg are berber too

Some claimed that we are from noah lineage, ibn khaldoun said it, he is an amazigh too by the way

Some claimed we are arabs

Some claimed we are romans

Some claimed we are just a mix

Hitler ( based on what i saw a person say in forum) refered to amazigh as our lost german tribe , and considered us aryan

Additionaly , where are the sumerians now? Where are the phoenicians now? Where is carthage ? Where are the pharaohs? Where are romans ? I see no people calling themselves that now, but the amazigh are still here , speaking their ancient language to this day

The question is why when there is a theory that amazigh come from somewhere else even if its based on little to no evidence many easily believe it , when in fact claiming amazigh are atlanteans is based on more proofs

Amazigh are amazigh they didnt come from somewhere same way other races didnt come from somewhere, we are indeginous to the land.

Alexander the great declared that he is son of ammon and to do that he went to siwa , an amazigh land , thus alexander starved for amazigh recognition, since ammon is amazigh.
(Thats how i see when you drop something as this part of north africa is phoenician, this one is arab, this one is roman, man comeone..)

 

[Anemos Aiteros]

You have offended Gods and Heroes in the name of afrocentric theories.

You are free to believe Humans did born in the center of Africa, but do not offend Gods and Heroes.

 

[Goldenwings]

You have offended Gods and Heroes in the name of afrocentric theories.

You are free to believe Humans did born in the center of Africa, but do not offend Gods and Heroes.

Keep in mind not only the movements i told you are against the amazigh even some Moroccans themselves are agzinst us because they think they are arab or some girl thinking she is latina because a european guy told her that just to sooth her to sleep with her.

Know thzt if north zfricans see this reply most will side against me claiming they are "civilised" and its okay or even better to marry a black or arab , and that i dont represent them and so on.. just to gain praise

So dont think of africa as a whole , i would rather prefer mu culture to be white washed than arab or black washed.

 

[Goldenwings]

You have offended Gods and Heroes in the name of afrocentric theories.

You are free to believe Humans did born in the center of Africa, but do not offend Gods and Heroes.

You are confusing things , i really believe you should do some research , afrocentric things have always been pushed by blacks , even the name "africa" has nothing to Do with blacks , africa used to refer to north africa only, the afrocentric things are against the amazigh too. Just so you understand , they say north africa and egypt are black and we came from somewhere else since we arent black.

Afrocentric sh*t = claim amazigh are not indeginous to the north africa

White washing = claim amazigh are not indeginous to the north africa

Arabization compain= claim amazigh are not indeginous to the north africa

Islam history = claim amazigh are not indeginous to the north africa

Name almost every single movement , its against the amazigh

Also you need to know that the clothes athena is wearing are amazigh (= libyan) add that to what i said earlier , herodute said it: The dress and armor of the statue of Athena were taken by the Greeks from the Libyan women."



Dont claim that i push afrocentric things , i explained why , and dont position me as siding with blacks who push those things , since what they are pushing is against us the amazigh, recently ( check google) there was a mass movement and many blacks in north african countries started protesting and saying north africa is theirs and we should go back to middle east since we are arabs. Thats what they said



Do your research you use claims that prove you just heard things you didnt research, see things from all angles , you mistake the amazigh for the black, if you see me in real life you will think im a Greek, we have more in common with you than with blacks



( Next text is not about racism, im just stating my experience i recognise there are blacks who are civilised)In Morocco i have always gaven charity to blacks that beg near traffic lights when it turns on they come ask for charity i always gave them, one day one came to me and i told him i just gave to your friends from the other side of the road.( I actually did) He told me what did you give ? A blowjob? I was controlling myself at that moment since i was feeling like i should come out of the car and break his face he kept standing didnt move and didnt say a word while i was looking him in the eye and trying to control myself then light turned green and i moved i thought he is not worth is hz doesnt even have moroccan papers , that was the last time i give a black a charity



A women in the city i am in always blacks came in front of her home and shz made them food , and one day she got raped .



So do not position me like if i side with blacks , especially that i live in Morocco



When the amazigh in the atlas mountains were fighting france with little to no gear and still managed to win important battles , blacks were used against them and some amazigh started singing a music or poedtry where they say : lift me up lift me up the blacks are stinking.



Im not against blacks im just telling you history and personal experience so that you understand that we both agree on certain things.



Still sometimes i give some charity to blacks but very rare , i once gave one 10$ and he started talking to me like if i am jesus znd i was thinking in my mind ( just get the fuck out of my face) while saying you are welcome , since they damaged the countrry



In some places in casablanca they hide in some streets where security is low and take girls by force znd rape them.



And while all that is happening some moroccan women ( generally from poor families) statted to develop a fetish for the black and when they hear someone criticising them like me they label me racist , but im happy that in average ans rich families in Morocco its still weird to mix with a black or arab or even european sometimes but from my experience europeans besides French people are way better than arabs and blacks , people from the us seem very kind too i had nothing but good interactions with them .

 

[Goldenwings]

You are free to believe Humans did born in the center of Africa, but do not offend Gods and Heroes.

If both of you look small from the distance , the one thinking the other is actually small is the one who is small actually.

You mislead people reading replies and you are putting words in my mouth and who are you to position me against the Gods like that? Your comment is so short yet a big cake i dont even know from where to start eating just too big cake , and my mouth is watering , i will wait my other replies to get approved and if you reply i will go more in depth.

You are offending the Gods when you are saying that they will be offended because i wrote for example herodute said that the amazigh are the first who worshiped Poseidon, do research and you can fact check what i said. You project how you feel on the Gods, if you got offended it doesnt mean the Gods will. Dont confuse stuff


Also you are using the christian way of talk, you try to intimidate me by saying i offended the Gods and the Heroes.

Please know that i was waiting for you bringing historical facts so that i get more knowledge. But you think its about pride etc , me myself i am a Hero and i wont like it if my amazigh wife start idiolising whoever in history, there is no hero in my house but me. what i said, you will either understand, or think i am arrogant. I am just sharing my perspective, so that you understand i am not the one you think i am, if i click a button and i switch to a race with the worst history, i wont be shaken and i will force them in a way or another to advance and i will myself write the history, its from the inside out. I hope you critise this reply too, so that i go more in depth and bring you to the top of the atlas mountains, seing how people appear from the top will make you understand why if someone looks small it can be just an angle of view , and even being on a higher land if he stares at you you too will appear small, its the distance it has nothing to do with who is who and even changing your places it doesnt change who is who.

If both of you look small from the distance , the one thinking the other is actually small is the one who is small actually.

 

[Anemos Aiteros]

You are seeking attention, for what? To make people call your ethnicity Amazigh instead of Berbers? What is your point?

Make Morocco great again then, only Amazigh that pray Zeus with the Name your people use.

 

[Goldenwings]

You are seeking attention, for what? To make people call your ethnicity Amazigh instead of Berbers? What is your point?

Make Morocco great again then, only Amazigh that pray Zeus with the Name your people use.

You always slip to the side that i dont intend you to slip to , i have no problem with calling north africans berbers or amazigh or libyans etc, i just mention the words because mostly people dont know for example libyan is what a north african is was called in ancient times so when you read it somewhere it brings confusion.

In addition, zoom out, let me explain to you a thing, relax and read ( and here i talk about the mass not the informed)

From the european point of view: north africans are seen as african or and arab, leaning arab

from south africa point of view: north africans are seen as europeans and or arabs , leaning arab

From arab point of view, we are seen as european african, leaning european

There is nothing that damaged us like arabization, the cities of Morocco were all named berber names now almost all have turned into arab names , and thats not even 1% of the damage caused by arabisation

In history, in my opinion, the golden era of north africa is when we were either fighting or influencing or getting influenced by romans , europeans in general, also the european mentality is not as destructive as arab mentality , look at spain, it has been colonised 700years by berbers, yet they didnt destroy the castles etc built by the amazigh, the arabs not only destroy monument and stuff they also destroy books , like what they did with Averroes.

Analysing the history of north africa there is nothing that has been more destructive than the arabs and their ideolgy

Knowing this and explaining to you the north africa case from multiple angles let me tell you what i think.

Afrocentric ideas=> blacks start saying to north africans go to middle east you are arabs => the arabized berbers are cornered and it may wake them up

The arabs => the khaliji consider the amazigh a lower race than them, even the ones that call themselves muslim and arabs => its good since it may wake them up

The christians => they debate the muslims => good it makes the muslims stop following the middle east mentality and think for themselves since they get cornered

The athiests => debate the muslim soothing them more and avoids the conversion from islam to christians, mostly people here when they leave islam they never become christians

And so on...
I just dont agree with anyone in north africa and most are so wrong to the point every single movement is against them in a good way

What i want to tell you by all that is the afrocentric ideas are not north african ideas, it comes from south, and we are attacked the same way you tooo are attacked , im stating that since many people in the world think of africa as one, we north africans are seen like foreigners by the south africans you should know that.

So saying all that, i wanted to clarify that in the current state north africa is in, i would rather be called german or italien or white , whatever , just not arab or black or french, pick any thing im okay with it, when i talked about north african history it wasnt to amazigh wash it ,it was to open you to new perspective, since many of you even if you think you know it all about africa you dont know actually, and im sure many reading through this thread will be surprised by this perspective.

In your next encounters with north africans in your life , or in a forum or wherever you meet them, you will notice they almost everytime fall under the same categories :
Category A: they think they are arab, porc is prohibited but wine is fine ..
Category B: starving for european recognition eating porc and doing anything that they think they should do to appear civilised and gain recognition
Category C: same as B but the C seek recognition from arabs
Category D: they know their origin they know they are amazigh but think its all about being proud , women think its about looking beautiful, and they think the culture is about dancing and singing
Category E: athiest who just talks religion 24/7 and is extreme feminist since he thinks it makes him more of an athiest
Category F: the religious people who still live in 600BC those are the worst
Category G: intellectual , respected but have 0 knowledge about history or anything related to his culture
Category H: the "new age religious people" sometimes they act athiest sometimes religious they just dont even know what to do
Category I: the women thinking europeans are the ideal men and moroccans are the worst man on earth, she can do anything just to hear something like: wow a north african girl is good actually
Category J: the ones calling themselves arabs who came from spain to north africa and they consider themselves superior to amazigh and live in 600BC
Category K: the ones deep in the matrix think life is all zbout criticising and belittling neighbor countries in north africa
Category L: generally from rich families, generally not considering themselves amazigh, or not caring about that , they just want to live life the european or us lifestyle
Category M: people who even if they hold opinions that i dont agree with or opinions that are controversial, i highly respect since they are really sovereign, and represent the north africa dna
Category N: people living in the past, they cant live in present they always talk about history and its enough for them that some stuff in history are to be proud of
Category O: they dont care, they are just living , they dont care about politics, about religion( even if religious) they are just living
Category P: people highly advanced in very specific areas and yet mediocre in the other, no balance, just pure genius on one single side, and pure garbage if he starts talking about another subject.

Generally people in europe or the us or whatever, they meet those kind of people and think thats what a north african is, when in fact , you are meeting someone who is underdeveloped, the thing i like about north africans is most dont stay in a single category forever beside category O, you can in 2 years meet him and find he changed 180 degrees, since even the single realisation that he is amazigh not arab, make a huuuuuuge change, since he reads history, finds out arabs were selling amazigh women as a slave for example, start by consequence questioning religions, start by consequence despising that thus starts respecting women more, his ethics start to develop and so on , so all the categories have huge potential, since they are too programed that a single information can change them.

Usually whoever reads amazigh history becomes amazigh and athiest lol
Its like a domino effect

From many posts i have read in the forum it was clear that there is a lack of a north african point of view , and here is it

 

[Goldenwings]

You are seeking attention, for what? To make people call your ethnicity Amazigh instead of Berbers? What is your point?

Make Morocco great again then, only Amazigh that pray Zeus with the Name your people use.

Thank you for your reply, i just wanted to bring a point of view to the table , by the way the original name of Morocco is "amur n akuch" its a berber name and it means the land of akuch, some say akuch is Hades

 

[Goldenwings]

You always slip to the side that i dont intend you to slip to , i have no problem with calling north africans berbers or amazigh or libyans etc, i just mention the words because mostly people dont know for example libyan is what a north african is was called in ancient times so when you read it somewhere it brings confusion.

In addition, zoom out, let me explain to you a thing, relax and read ( and here i talk about the mass not the informed)

From the european point of view: north africans are seen as african or and arab, leaning arab

from south africa point of view: north africans are seen as europeans and or arabs , leaning arab

From arab point of view, we are seen as european african, leaning european

There is nothing that damaged us like arabization, the cities of Morocco were all named berber names now almost all have turned into arab names , and thats not even 1% of the damage caused by arabisation

In history, in my opinion, the golden era of north africa is when we were either fighting or influencing or getting influenced by romans , europeans in general, also the european mentality is not as destructive as arab mentality , look at spain, it has been colonised 700years by berbers, yet they didnt destroy the castles etc built by the amazigh, the arabs not only destroy monument and stuff they also destroy books , like what they did with Averroes.

Analysing the history of north africa there is nothing that has been more destructive than the arabs and their ideolgy

Knowing this and explaining to you the north africa case from multiple angles let me tell you what i think.

Afrocentric ideas=> blacks start saying to north africans go to middle east you are arabs => the arabized berbers are cornered and it may wake them up

The arabs => the khaliji consider the amazigh a lower race than them, even the ones that call themselves muslim and arabs => its good since it may wake them up

The christians => they debate the muslims => good it makes the muslims stop following the middle east mentality and think for themselves since they get cornered

The athiests => debate the muslim soothing them more and avoids the conversion from islam to christians, mostly people here when they leave islam they never become christians

And so on...
I just dont agree with anyone in north africa and most are so wrong to the point every single movement is against them in a good way

What i want to tell you by all that is the afrocentric ideas are not north african ideas, it comes from south, and we are attacked the same way you tooo are attacked , im stating that since many people in the world think of africa as one, we north africans are seen like foreigners by the south africans you should know that.

So saying all that, i wanted to clarify that in the current state north africa is in, i would rather be called german or italien or white , whatever , just not arab or black or french, pick any thing im okay with it, when i talked about north african history it wasnt to amazigh wash it ,it was to open you to new perspective, since many of you even if you think you know it all about africa you dont know actually, and im sure many reading through this thread will be surprised by this perspective.

In your next encounters with north africans in your life , or in a forum or wherever you meet them, you will notice they almost everytime fall under the same categories :
Category A: they think they are arab, porc is prohibited but wine is fine ..
Category B: starving for european recognition eating porc and doing anything that they think they should do to appear civilised and gain recognition
Category C: same as B but the C seek recognition from arabs
Category D: they know their origin they know they are amazigh but think its all about being proud , women think its about looking beautiful, and they think the culture is about dancing and singing
Category E: athiest who just talks religion 24/7 and is extreme feminist since he thinks it makes him more of an athiest
Category F: the religious people who still live in 600BC those are the worst
Category G: intellectual , respected but have 0 knowledge about history or anything related to his culture
Category H: the "new age religious people" sometimes they act athiest sometimes religious they just dont even know what to do
Category I: the women thinking europeans are the ideal men and moroccans are the worst man on earth, she can do anything just to hear something like: wow a north african girl is good actually
Category J: the ones calling themselves arabs who came from spain to north africa and they consider themselves superior to amazigh and live in 600BC
Category K: the ones deep in the matrix think life is all zbout criticising and belittling neighbor countries in north africa
Category L: generally from rich families, generally not considering themselves amazigh, or not caring about that , they just want to live life the european or us lifestyle
Category M: people who even if they hold opinions that i dont agree with or opinions that are controversial, i highly respect since they are really sovereign, and represent the north africa dna
Category N: people living in the past, they cant live in present they always talk about history and its enough for them that some stuff in history are to be proud of
Category O: they dont care, they are just living , they dont care about politics, about religion( even if religious) they are just living
Category P: people highly advanced in very specific areas and yet mediocre in the other, no balance, just pure genius on one single side, and pure garbage if he starts talking about another subject.

Generally people in europe or the us or whatever, they meet those kind of people and think thats what a north african is, when in fact , you are meeting someone who is underdeveloped, the thing i like about north africans is most dont stay in a single category forever beside category O, you can in 2 years meet him and find he changed 180 degrees, since even the single realisation that he is amazigh not arab, make a huuuuuuge change, since he reads history, finds out arabs were selling amazigh women as a slave for example, start by consequence questioning religions, start by consequence despising that thus starts respecting women more, his ethics start to develop and so on , so all the categories have huge potential, since they are too programed that a single information can change them.

Usually whoever reads amazigh history becomes amazigh and athiest lol
Its like a domino effect

From many posts i have read in the forum it was clear that there is a lack of a north african point of view , and here is it

In my reply i am not saying arabs are the same nor saying blacks are the same, nor i am saying north africans are bad , not i am generalising ,nor i am defending opposing agendas , please if read all before you criticise

 

[Goldenwings]

You always slip to the side that i dont intend you to slip to , i have no problem with calling north africans berbers or amazigh or libyans etc, i just mention the words because mostly people dont know for example libyan is what a north african is was called in ancient times so when you read it somewhere it brings confusion.

In addition, zoom out, let me explain to you a thing, relax and read ( and here i talk about the mass not the informed)

From the european point of view: north africans are seen as african or and arab, leaning arab

from south africa point of view: north africans are seen as europeans and or arabs , leaning arab

From arab point of view, we are seen as european african, leaning european

There is nothing that damaged us like arabization, the cities of Morocco were all named berber names now almost all have turned into arab names , and thats not even 1% of the damage caused by arabisation

In history, in my opinion, the golden era of north africa is when we were either fighting or influencing or getting influenced by romans , europeans in general, also the european mentality is not as destructive as arab mentality , look at spain, it has been colonised 700years by berbers, yet they didnt destroy the castles etc built by the amazigh, the arabs not only destroy monument and stuff they also destroy books , like what they did with Averroes.

Analysing the history of north africa there is nothing that has been more destructive than the arabs and their ideolgy

Knowing this and explaining to you the north africa case from multiple angles let me tell you what i think.

Afrocentric ideas=> blacks start saying to north africans go to middle east you are arabs => the arabized berbers are cornered and it may wake them up

The arabs => the khaliji consider the amazigh a lower race than them, even the ones that call themselves muslim and arabs => its good since it may wake them up

The christians => they debate the muslims => good it makes the muslims stop following the middle east mentality and think for themselves since they get cornered

The athiests => debate the muslim soothing them more and avoids the conversion from islam to christians, mostly people here when they leave islam they never become christians

And so on...
I just dont agree with anyone in north africa and most are so wrong to the point every single movement is against them in a good way

What i want to tell you by all that is the afrocentric ideas are not north african ideas, it comes from south, and we are attacked the same way you tooo are attacked , im stating that since many people in the world think of africa as one, we north africans are seen like foreigners by the south africans you should know that.

So saying all that, i wanted to clarify that in the current state north africa is in, i would rather be called german or italien or white , whatever , just not arab or black or french, pick any thing im okay with it, when i talked about north african history it wasnt to amazigh wash it ,it was to open you to new perspective, since many of you even if you think you know it all about africa you dont know actually, and im sure many reading through this thread will be surprised by this perspective.

In your next encounters with north africans in your life , or in a forum or wherever you meet them, you will notice they almost everytime fall under the same categories :
Category A: they think they are arab, porc is prohibited but wine is fine ..
Category B: starving for european recognition eating porc and doing anything that they think they should do to appear civilised and gain recognition
Category C: same as B but the C seek recognition from arabs
Category D: they know their origin they know they are amazigh but think its all about being proud , women think its about looking beautiful, and they think the culture is about dancing and singing
Category E: athiest who just talks religion 24/7 and is extreme feminist since he thinks it makes him more of an athiest
Category F: the religious people who still live in 600BC those are the worst
Category G: intellectual , respected but have 0 knowledge about history or anything related to his culture
Category H: the "new age religious people" sometimes they act athiest sometimes religious they just dont even know what to do
Category I: the women thinking europeans are the ideal men and moroccans are the worst man on earth, she can do anything just to hear something like: wow a north african girl is good actually
Category J: the ones calling themselves arabs who came from spain to north africa and they consider themselves superior to amazigh and live in 600BC
Category K: the ones deep in the matrix think life is all zbout criticising and belittling neighbor countries in north africa
Category L: generally from rich families, generally not considering themselves amazigh, or not caring about that , they just want to live life the european or us lifestyle
Category M: people who even if they hold opinions that i dont agree with or opinions that are controversial, i highly respect since they are really sovereign, and represent the north africa dna
Category N: people living in the past, they cant live in present they always talk about history and its enough for them that some stuff in history are to be proud of
Category O: they dont care, they are just living , they dont care about politics, about religion( even if religious) they are just living
Category P: people highly advanced in very specific areas and yet mediocre in the other, no balance, just pure genius on one single side, and pure garbage if he starts talking about another subject.

Generally people in europe or the us or whatever, they meet those kind of people and think thats what a north african is, when in fact , you are meeting someone who is underdeveloped, the thing i like about north africans is most dont stay in a single category forever beside category O, you can in 2 years meet him and find he changed 180 degrees, since even the single realisation that he is amazigh not arab, make a huuuuuuge change, since he reads history, finds out arabs were selling amazigh women as a slave for example, start by consequence questioning religions, start by consequence despising that thus starts respecting women more, his ethics start to develop and so on , so all the categories have huge potential, since they are too programed that a single information can change them.

Usually whoever reads amazigh history becomes amazigh and athiest lol
Its like a domino effect

From many posts i have read in the forum it was clear that there is a lack of a north african point of view , and here is it

"urbem venalem et mature perituram, si emptorem invenerit"-Jugurtha (amazigh king)

i wanted to include the quote since it embodies the essence of the reply, the name is accurate too since" jugurtha" means "he exceeded them"