SyrArisMarsMartin said:
Tell this guy to do our Aryan Race Awakening Ritual and return to Sweden :lol:
Sorry Kıvanç Tatlıtuğ is a national treasure. We cannot give him away :lol:
Sinistra said:
The so called "turkish" language is only around a hundred years old.
Oh? How come I can understand 700-year-old Turkish poems from Anatolian poets with my 100-year-old language?
Söz ola kese savaşı söz ola bitire başı
Söz ola ağılı aşı bal ile yağ ede bir söz
These verses are hundreds of years old and hardly different from how we speak.
A hundred years ago, a nationalist movement to get rid of Arabic words greatly changed the way upper class spoke. An average Turkish teenager cannot understand what we call Ottoman “Palace Turkish”, which was heavily infested with Arabic, but they can understand songs and poets of minstrels and nomadic bards as they weren’t influenced as much by Islam and Arabs.
Our “so-called” Turkish was preserved by common folk and evolved accordingly. The word stems and grammar are identical with Orkhon inscriptions (early 8th century).
A quote from the original text:
Tengri yarlıkaduk üçün illigig ilsiretmiş, kaganlıgıg kagansıratmış, yagıg baz kılmış, tizligig sökürmiş, başlıgıg yükündürmiş. Kangım kağan anca ilig törüg kazganıp uça barmış.
Turkey Turkish Translation:
Tanrı lütfettiği için illiyi ilsizletmiş, kağanlıyı kağansızlatmış, düşmanı tâbi kılmış, dizliye diz çöktürmüş, başlıya baş eğdirmiş. Babam Kağan öylece ili, töreyi kazanıp, uçup gitmiş.
Tengri->Tanrı
Üçün->İçin
İlig->İli
Uça->Uçup
Kagan->Kağan
…
In English: Tengri (chief God) wished so, (my father) made those who have a country, without a country; made those who have a king, without a king; made the enemy, subjects to him; made those who have knees, kneel; made those who have heads, bow. King, My Father, conquered the country and law thusly, then ascended (died).
Since Orkhon inscriptions until today, Turkish did change, but how on the earth, you can call it 100-year-old? Now Turkey, it was Ottoman before, Selçuklular before Ottoman, Göktürkler before Selçuklular, and Göktürkler wrote Orkhon inscriptions. We never stopped to speak Turkish since Göktürks. There are literary works from every period of time in between in Turkish and we can track the evolution of words and Arab-Persian influence. Do you need me to quote Turkish excerpts from history for every century?
Turkey Turks are mixed but Turkish is pure as it gets. I don't care what you say about people but don't you dare to call out Turkish. Or I will have to flood you with old Turkish/new Turkish excerpts. :roll:
My soon-to-be historian friend, I summon you, am I wrong about this?