Donating to ToZ (my thoughts)

So there is a certain uncertainty here?

I keep myself humble. People don't need examples of vanity.

Seemingly having convinced someone here to actually donate is impressive work though I must say

And still no. I didn't convince her. She just realized it was the right thing. She is a good person and has always been willing to act well for others and for the Gods. I did not convince her after I explained this to her. She was a good person even before I posted the topic. I just showed her how effective some ways of expressing what she already was: a good-hearted person.

I never convinced anyone, I just pointed out the best ways for people to do good for themselves. Many manners were not known or available before. Today they are. I have been dedicated for 9 years. And I'm glad I only started contributing at this time when information is becoming available and it is no longer necessary that every time something right is shown, that right thing has to go through the review of a thousand Talmud stories before it is accepted.

@Valkyrie you have done the right thing. I am SO proud of you!

I have been dedicated for 9 years.

18 years myself.

Well it sure seemed like the convincing force was strong anyway.
Since your humbleness I too will consider donation, actually.

And still no. I didn't convince her. She just realized it was the right thing. She is a good person and has always been willing to act well for others and for the Gods. I did not convince her after I explained this to her. She was a good person even before I posted the topic. I just showed her how effective some ways of expressing what she already was: a good-hearted person.

I never convinced anyone, I just pointed out the best ways for people to do good for themselves. Many manners were not known or available before. Today they are. I have been dedicated for 9 years. And I'm glad I only started contributing at this time when information is becoming available and it is no longer necessary that every time something right is shown, that right thing has to go through the review of a thousand Talmud stories before it is accepted.

@Valkyrie you have done the right thing. I am SO proud of you!

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Yes, I should've gone to the donor's site.
Thanks 😍

I have now donated $44 to ToZ, even though currently being unemployed and struggling here mind you. And having debts.
Damn you SeguaceDiSatanas. :LOL:
No I think ToZ and the Gods will appreciate it and it feels good to have given some form of actual money here for a change.

I do have some major Unreal Engine plans in the pipe also.

Cannot wait to get back to:

Damn I'm posting much right now.

Just want to add here that I did donate out of my own complete free will here, and to have it done for once ffs

Even HPS Pythia pushed the importance of donations to JoS back then. Actually she was the first one to do that, and I'm actually almost a bit ashamed of not having done so before.
So many shit things I've spent money on before instead of donating.
I have gradually become more and more dedicated though, and now even to the point of donating money I barely even have.

currently being unemployed and struggling here mind you. And having debts.

Give as much as you can. Truly. If you think $44 once a month is good, donate that amount once a month. If you think $20 a month is the maximum positive, that's good too. If you prefer to donate $44 but see that you can't every month, you can opt for $44 every two and half month. Just so you know you can handle it :)
Thank you for taking care of the place of the Gods, may they bless you :D

I will be quite a "critic" and I this is nothing personal but you're acting like a truly xian extremist or brain wash muslim.

You donate, you do that and that, stop flexing, this is quite cringe, like grow up, you're doing thins for the Gods or only to gain admiration of others for your doings? Honestly now, the whole topic it's a joke.

Whoever doesn't donate would have a life exactly as normal as before, but it is true that by contributing to the Gods, one gets blessed but stop with this nonsense and pushing and stuff, nobody cares about your opinions, especially on this.

As I said, this is nothing personal, you had your freedom to post this and I have mine to comment on it as I done. Wish you well!🌠

The way I see it; nobody is forced to donate, or to contribute in any other way to ToZ for that matter.

Those who don't are not looked down upon by ToZ or the Gods, but rather - appreciated if they do. Not hated upon if they don't.

I personally feel I should give something back when having received so much, and have done so primarily by contributing with work for ToZ.

However, neither work or donations were ever a forced thing here. But rather - something appreciated by the organization.

Give and you shall receive.

You donate, you do that and that, stop flexing, this is quite cringe, like grow up, you're doing thins for the Gods or only to gain admiration of others for your doings? Honestly now, the whole topic it's a joke.

I have never said how much my regular donation is or how regularly I make this donation. This is known to HP Zevios Metathronos and HPS Lydia precisely and only to them. The fact that it is known that I am a donor is fine, because in itself people deserve to have good examples. When Amon Ra appears bright and shining to you in evocations, he does not do it to exhibit "I am a God and you a mortal fool. Do you like my wings? You'll never get them lol."

And to engage people to do positive things is not a stupid thing since people have every right to know how they can evolve even if in evolving they are not doing it exclusively for themselves but also for something other than their own egopathy, and to see a well-known member who is not clear about this concept, that's the delusional thing. But I wanted to reassure you that outside of the forum I get all kinds of slander from all kinds of people I know for what I do for the forum, so if it's any consolation I'm certainly not going to be "adored" for that. Don't worry, they will continue to slander me despite your comment and this response of mine to it.

Whoever doesn't donate would have a life exactly as normal as before, but it is true that by contributing to the Gods, one gets blessed but stop with this nonsense and pushing and stuff, nobody cares about your opinions, especially on this.

It is completely FALSE to say that doing good things for the Gods leads to nothing further good. Especially with Zeus himself telling HPS Pythia years ago that those who think only of themselves "are of no importance to me." And I think it's okay for people to care about the opinion of others if the opinion of others is confirmed by the leaders (see HP Zevios Metathronos and HPS Lydia's likes), especially considering that a lot of people are new members or otherwise people who are looking for an effective way to do positive, good and REALLY SIGNIFICANT things like even just donating that is really within the reach of all people.

I don't know how you took something like that with "SeguaceDiSatanas wants people to applaud him because he donated." Look into the concreteness that people really now are donating. And so the ToZ will be able to evolve more and grant these same people who believed in the ToZ the best possible spiritual knowledge to make them evolve and justly reward them for the fact that they really loved this place. That they have REALLY loved the GODS.

Not hated upon if they don't.

In fact, I don't know how this thread could be seen as "discriminating hatred toward non-donors" when literally the only sane way something like this could be seen is as a way of supporting people to take care of their own universal good, the only one they will ever have that is truly positive and will last forever. The hangover from overindulging at the bar is not going to last forever, and it's certainly not going to be a good thing for people, who if they're sane can never see these things as "a nice reward for doing well in the club." What I did here was to take care of my people (and now I am speaking regardless of my race) and certainly not to make my people hate my people themselves. I really don't know how it was possible not to understand such a simple concept for what it is.

you're doing thins for the Gods or only to gain admiration of others for your doings?

For ToZ and the Gods?..
I don't see why it would be seen as bragging about stuff here. Rather about caring for the future of ToZ.

The topic is not cringe unless ToZ is cringe. Which it is not. Money is important whether we like it or not in this crazy world, which we all want to make less crazy and more sane. ToZ is here for that.

I have now donated $44 to ToZ

That 44 dollars is almost priceless at the moment. Let me explain why.

Until the rebranding of JoS to ToZ, every donation has indeed been priceless as JoS has been in dire need of capital to run itself. Frankly, not many people donated until HPZM made a public point about this in the past few years leaving Cleargy with most of the burden. Even then, there was a lot of opposition, but I sensed things had taken a turn in that regard. Fast forward to today when the JoS Donors platform has been running for months and the rebranding has occurred: The number of donations has skyrocketed with great acceleration recently. Now, in this moment donations are still very important, and every donation is basically a person laying bricks to the temple. This is still very priceless as ToZ needs expansion. HPZM has mentioned publicly* that 'we have won" around 2032 and I predict that donations will be priceless until that moment, not any longer. That moment can be sooner as well, but very likely not later than that. That still leaves many years of important brick laying ahead. When this phase is behind, your 44 dollars becomes 'worthless' (not literally) as ToZ does not need it with the same intensity as the Temple has been built. HPZM has mentioned that any donors' perks will be left behind closed doors for most people after this moment (only the very rich would be able to unlock the door), and thus we are in a very interesting position. Kind of like early investors who can get a thousandfold return for their investment. Reminds me of the fact that when I joined in 2020 and made my first small donation of less than 30 dollars when I received a thank you message from HPS Pythia. Only later I realized how priceless that moment was, not that it was not exciting at the time, because it was.

So with all this in mind, be happy to give whatever you are giving because it is once in a lifetime opportunity and something that will be forever remembered. It is not an ordinary organization we are building, after all.

* I saw no one comment on that little mention which was interesting to note.

As for Outreach - I do my own things here and post it on my own channels and I'm fine with that. I usually get so much feedback from here anyways.

It all depends on the quality of your work and not the channel it's presented from.
Nothing wrong with Outreach though. I just do my own things.

Years ago I came across money that would be considered a lot for some people. Like actually a lot, buy big house in center of city, type of money.

I thought to myself, what difference will it make that if I buy a house, versus, what showed up at the time, further the progression of the JoS to become great?

On route 1, it would help millions of people and also HPS Pythia at the time.

On route 2, I would just have a house, like so many other people that have a house on the planet, but have done nothing great in their existence when the time opportunity appeared, as a result. Nothing satisfactory for the Gods or anything, nor for others in the community. It would be me, inside a very nice house, nothing else.

Dillemas like these were part of all my life. I always chose to give things away. It does not mean I don't exist in a fair way now, but it means that the Temple is more important than myself, for example, to live on and to evolve. I therefore chose to invest in the JoS, buy books and this is it.

I chose route 1 as I believe in the abundance and power of the Gods, especially when they are shown one has the power to do what is right.

5-6 years later, I never regretted that choice at all, given the progress and where things will be soon for our side. I am a thousand steps ahead because of that choice, what is important to be one thousands ahead too for what is most meaningful, ie, the community which has thrived ever since in quality.

If only 3-4 people thought of things in this way, we would be truly on the path for becoming a powerfully instated religion where you could walk outside and exist very strongly. But most people are not.

Yes, I did my thing today for the Gods. Input out flyers for them.