Hey everyone.
I (safely and gradually) want to start training on body hardening. From a bit of online research, I have found that it's recommended to apply a liniment called "dit da jow" after training, so as to prevent arthritis, blood clots and hand deformation.
I have ordered one already, aswell. I just wanted to ask if anyone here has already used it and could maybe share his/her experiences. I'm currently in information-gather-mode, so I want to know as much about it as I can, so that I can start training correctly and safely as soon as it arrives.
As always, any intel is greatly appreciated. :)
-Shael
Dit Da Jow
shael6661 min to read
Actually brother Ivan I would like to thank you for taking your time in explaining this as you've sparked an interest in me and made me remember how I was interested in this but completely forgot about it.
I think this is great btw, I used to contemplate to buy it or not to buy it months ago but forgot about it now I'm sure I am gonna buy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdSuCgQ98E
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Actually brother Ivan I would like to thank you for taking your time in explaining this as you've sparked an interest in me and made me remember how I was interested in this but completely forgot about it.
I think this is great btw, I used to contemplate to buy it or not to buy it months ago but forgot about it now I'm sure I am gonna buy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdSuCgQ98E
@makesyouperfect. Soo what you are saying is the human skull can naturally resist a hit to the head with a baseball? Excuse me bht people have died fro. That. Instead of spouting nonsense like 'it is not possible omg my programming' perhaps you should study the subject instead of making baseless assumptions.
Also centralforce replied. Id read that first before making any further posts here.
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@makesyouperfect. Soo what you are saying is the human skull can naturally resist a hit to the head with a baseball? Excuse me bht people have died fro. That. Instead of spouting nonsense like 'it is not possible omg my programming' perhaps you should study the subject instead of making baseless assumptions.
Also centralforce replied. Id read that first before making any further posts here.
@ivyissexy69
Thank you very much. This topic was initially about dit da jow, and you are the only one who actually provided information about it. I was going to start with my hands anyways, so maybe I will stick to only training these, instead. Regarding Dim Mak, I would love to learn it. Do you have any books you would recommend for this? (I would like to avoid spending money on a book to later find out it's just corrupted bullshit).
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 2:12, ivyissexy69@... [SSHealth] wrote: Iron palm is a legitimate martial arts practice designed to make the hands strong for use in the Dim Mak or 'Death Touch'.
Predominately it is a qi cultivating exercise and the physical aspects are secondary to the qi generation and cultivation practices.
Dit Da Jow is a blend of Chinese Herbal Medicine which is warm and pungent in order to disperse the blood and qi stasis which can occur as a result of the continuous slamming of one's extremities against first a bag filled with rice, then with gravel and eventually against stone - I do not recommend using trees or wood for this practice as this may cause more problems than good as wood that is alive is very very hard on the hands.
The Dit Da Jow should always be applied in circular motions with efforts made to massage the hands also in order to promote the flow of blood and qi in the area.
I personally spent a brief period using this technique on my fore finger and middle finger knuckles on my right hand and over time the area became extremely hard - when compared with the other side it felt much like a rock.
Over time without practice, the sensitivity has returned to the area however the bone changes have remained and my fore finger knuckle is visibly bigger than the same one on the other side.
I have not experienced any ill effects.
Obviously this technique does not change the chemical structure of the hand, but instead the impact techniques stimulate osteoblast bone building activity which increases the size, mass and density of local bone structures.
The herbal preparation contains herbs which accelerate blood circulation, promote cellular respiration and generally increase the healing speed of the injury generated tissue resolution process.
The term 'iron' would have been used figuratively and not literally by people with limited vocabulary to describe the changes and by the feel of the area after training for long periods of time.
Doing this all over your body seems slightly pointless personally but the hands as a weaponized way to engage in self defence certainly has its place and its merits.
Ultimately, if one knows the correct techniques, the correct places to strike and has a strong Nei Gong (internal qi cultivation practice) then breaking a skull with a single punch would be very easy - and also very likely to land you in prison for life.
Knowing the pressure points well and prioritizing the delivery of qi to the target point can produce a 'clean' blow whereby no marks are left and no visible injury is sustained however the disruption to the flow of qi to the vital organs can be disrupted, destabilised or reversed which done correctly can cause a myriad of acute and chronic health problems to the opponent up to and including instant or delayed death.
These are the principles of the Dim Mak, whose masters recommend learning the healing applications of the points before attempting to master the devestating ability of them to overcome your opponents.
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@ivyissexy69
Thank you very much. This topic was initially about dit da jow, and you are the only one who actually provided information about it. I was going to start with my hands anyways, so maybe I will stick to only training these, instead. Regarding Dim Mak, I would love to learn it. Do you have any books you would recommend for this? (I would like to avoid spending money on a book to later find out it's just corrupted bullshit).
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 2:12, ivyissexy69@... [SSHealth] wrote: Iron palm is a legitimate martial arts practice designed to make the hands strong for use in the Dim Mak or 'Death Touch'.
Predominately it is a qi cultivating exercise and the physical aspects are secondary to the qi generation and cultivation practices.
Dit Da Jow is a blend of Chinese Herbal Medicine which is warm and pungent in order to disperse the blood and qi stasis which can occur as a result of the continuous slamming of one's extremities against first a bag filled with rice, then with gravel and eventually against stone - I do not recommend using trees or wood for this practice as this may cause more problems than good as wood that is alive is very very hard on the hands.
The Dit Da Jow should always be applied in circular motions with efforts made to massage the hands also in order to promote the flow of blood and qi in the area.
I personally spent a brief period using this technique on my fore finger and middle finger knuckles on my right hand and over time the area became extremely hard - when compared with the other side it felt much like a rock.
Over time without practice, the sensitivity has returned to the area however the bone changes have remained and my fore finger knuckle is visibly bigger than the same one on the other side.
I have not experienced any ill effects.
Obviously this technique does not change the chemical structure of the hand, but instead the impact techniques stimulate osteoblast bone building activity which increases the size, mass and density of local bone structures.
The herbal preparation contains herbs which accelerate blood circulation, promote cellular respiration and generally increase the healing speed of the injury generated tissue resolution process.
The term 'iron' would have been used figuratively and not literally by people with limited vocabulary to describe the changes and by the feel of the area after training for long periods of time.
Doing this all over your body seems slightly pointless personally but the hands as a weaponized way to engage in self defence certainly has its place and its merits.
Ultimately, if one knows the correct techniques, the correct places to strike and has a strong Nei Gong (internal qi cultivation practice) then breaking a skull with a single punch would be very easy - and also very likely to land you in prison for life.
Knowing the pressure points well and prioritizing the delivery of qi to the target point can produce a 'clean' blow whereby no marks are left and no visible injury is sustained however the disruption to the flow of qi to the vital organs can be disrupted, destabilised or reversed which done correctly can cause a myriad of acute and chronic health problems to the opponent up to and including instant or delayed death.
These are the principles of the Dim Mak, whose masters recommend learning the healing applications of the points before attempting to master the devestating ability of them to overcome your opponents.
Are you an idiot? When have you ever mentioned that before? All you guys just talked about slapping yourself with a sack of beans. Stop trying to make the discussion at your favour and accept that you didn't say these earlier.
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Are you an idiot? When have you ever mentioned that before? All you guys just talked about slapping yourself with a sack of beans. Stop trying to make the discussion at your favour and accept that you didn't say these earlier.
Thanks @taol and stardust. For anyone interested, this is the dit da jow I bought: http://ditdajow.com/product/big-hand-little-hand/This site has a lot of other, training-specific dit da jow variations. I don't know how the quality is as I have not yet received mine, but I wouldn't mind writing a review after using it for some time (if anyone is interested). It's fairly cheap anyways (if you live in the USA). Oh and @ivyissexy69, provided you used dit da jow in your training, I would love to hear about where you bought it from, too. Ofcourse only if you don't mind sharing.
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 16:10, taolvanswd@... [SSHealth] wrote: @makesyouperfect. Soo what you are saying is the human skull can naturally resist a hit to the head with a baseball? Excuse me bht people have died fro. That. Instead of spouting nonsense like 'it is not possible omg my programming' perhaps you should study the subject instead of making baseless assumptions.
Also centralforce replied. Id read that first before making any further posts here.
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Thanks @taol and stardust. For anyone interested, this is the dit da jow I bought: http://ditdajow.com/product/big-hand-little-hand/This site has a lot of other, training-specific dit da jow variations. I don't know how the quality is as I have not yet received mine, but I wouldn't mind writing a review after using it for some time (if anyone is interested). It's fairly cheap anyways (if you live in the USA). Oh and @ivyissexy69, provided you used dit da jow in your training, I would love to hear about where you bought it from, too. Ofcourse only if you don't mind sharing.
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 16:10, taolvanswd@... [SSHealth] wrote: @makesyouperfect. Soo what you are saying is the human skull can naturally resist a hit to the head with a baseball? Excuse me bht people have died fro. That. Instead of spouting nonsense like 'it is not possible omg my programming' perhaps you should study the subject instead of making baseless assumptions.
Also centralforce replied. Id read that first before making any further posts here.
Shael I sent u an email. Reply or don't up to u.
Other wise best luck
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Shael I sent u an email. Reply or don't up to u.
Other wise best luck
One only needs to Google "broken skull from a punch" to pull up countless news stories of this occurring.
These are not iron palm practitioners either, they are simply people who have punched people in places which breaks their skull.
The very art of the Dim Mak is about creating accurate strikes with fist formations such as Phoenix eye fist which involves protruding the middle finger knuckle to form a point which strikes the desired pressure point and drives qi.
The other part of the hand which is often used is the little finger metacarpal in the hand as this is the strongest part of the hand.
Iron palm techniques provide resilience to those areas to prevent them from becoming damaged when striking, and works like any other qi or physical conditioning.
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One only needs to Google "broken skull from a punch" to pull up countless news stories of this occurring.
These are not iron palm practitioners either, they are simply people who have punched people in places which breaks their skull.
The very art of the Dim Mak is about creating accurate strikes with fist formations such as Phoenix eye fist which involves protruding the middle finger knuckle to form a point which strikes the desired pressure point and drives qi.
The other part of the hand which is often used is the little finger metacarpal in the hand as this is the strongest part of the hand.
Iron palm techniques provide resilience to those areas to prevent them from becoming damaged when striking, and works like any other qi or physical conditioning.
@shael. Ref the Dim Mak
This is a movement that can take more than a life time to learn. Basically it's programming a punch to kill at some later time. It cannot be learned from a book because it deals with pressure points and a specific amount of vibratory pressure needed to kill. Or to heal. It'll be better worth your time to study for the magnum opus. My opinion.
HS88
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Shael shael666@... [SSHealth] wrote: @ivyissexy69
Thank you very much. This topic was initially about dit da jow, and you are the only one who actually provided information about it. I was going to start with my hands anyways, so maybe I will stick to only training these, instead. Regarding Dim Mak, I would love to learn it. Do you have any books you would recommend for this? (I would like to avoid spending money on a book to later find out it's just corrupted bullshit).
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!Iron palm is a legitimate martial arts practice designed to make the hands strong for use in the Dim Mak or 'Death Touch'.
Predominately it is a qi cultivating exercise and the physical aspects are secondary to the qi generation and cultivation practices.
Dit Da Jow is a blend of Chinese Herbal Medicine which is warm and pungent in order to disperse the blood and qi stasis which can occur as a result of the continuous slamming of one's extremities against first a bag filled with rice, then with gravel and eventually against stone - I do not recommend using trees or wood for this practice as this may cause more problems than good as wood that is alive is very very hard on the hands.
The Dit Da Jow should always be applied in circular motions with efforts made to massage the hands also in order to promote the flow of blood and qi in the area.
I personally spent a brief period using this technique on my fore finger and middle finger knuckles on my right hand and over time the area became extremely hard - when compared with the other side it felt much like a rock.
Over time without practice, the sensitivity has returned to the area however the bone changes have remained and my fore finger knuckle is visibly bigger than the same one on the other side.
I have not experienced any ill effects.
Obviously this technique does not change the chemical structure of the hand, but instead the impact techniques stimulate osteoblast bone building activity which increases the size, mass and density of local bone structures.
The herbal preparation contains herbs which accelerate blood circulation, promote cellular respiration and generally increase the healing speed of the injury generated tissue resolution process.
The term 'iron' would have been used figuratively and not literally by people with limited vocabulary to describe the changes and by the feel of the area after training for long periods of time.
Doing this all over your body seems slightly pointless personally but the hands as a weaponized way to engage in self defence certainly has its place and its merits.
Ultimately, if one knows the correct techniques, the correct places to strike and has a strong Nei Gong (internal qi cultivation practice) then breaking a skull with a single punch would be very easy - and also very likely to land you in prison for life.
Knowing the pressure points well and prioritizing the delivery of qi to the target point can produce a 'clean' blow whereby no marks are left and no visible injury is sustained however the disruption to the flow of qi to the vital organs can be disrupted, destabilised or reversed which done correctly can cause a myriad of acute and chronic health problems to the opponent up to and including instant or delayed death.
These are the principles of the Dim Mak, whose masters recommend learning the healing applications of the points before attempting to master the devestating ability of them to overcome your opponents.
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@shael. Ref the Dim Mak
This is a movement that can take more than a life time to learn. Basically it's programming a punch to kill at some later time. It cannot be learned from a book because it deals with pressure points and a specific amount of vibratory pressure needed to kill. Or to heal. It'll be better worth your time to study for the magnum opus. My opinion.
HS88
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Shael shael666@... [SSHealth] wrote: @ivyissexy69
Thank you very much. This topic was initially about dit da jow, and you are the only one who actually provided information about it. I was going to start with my hands anyways, so maybe I will stick to only training these, instead. Regarding Dim Mak, I would love to learn it. Do you have any books you would recommend for this? (I would like to avoid spending money on a book to later find out it's just corrupted bullshit).
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!Iron palm is a legitimate martial arts practice designed to make the hands strong for use in the Dim Mak or 'Death Touch'.
Predominately it is a qi cultivating exercise and the physical aspects are secondary to the qi generation and cultivation practices.
Dit Da Jow is a blend of Chinese Herbal Medicine which is warm and pungent in order to disperse the blood and qi stasis which can occur as a result of the continuous slamming of one's extremities against first a bag filled with rice, then with gravel and eventually against stone - I do not recommend using trees or wood for this practice as this may cause more problems than good as wood that is alive is very very hard on the hands.
The Dit Da Jow should always be applied in circular motions with efforts made to massage the hands also in order to promote the flow of blood and qi in the area.
I personally spent a brief period using this technique on my fore finger and middle finger knuckles on my right hand and over time the area became extremely hard - when compared with the other side it felt much like a rock.
Over time without practice, the sensitivity has returned to the area however the bone changes have remained and my fore finger knuckle is visibly bigger than the same one on the other side.
I have not experienced any ill effects.
Obviously this technique does not change the chemical structure of the hand, but instead the impact techniques stimulate osteoblast bone building activity which increases the size, mass and density of local bone structures.
The herbal preparation contains herbs which accelerate blood circulation, promote cellular respiration and generally increase the healing speed of the injury generated tissue resolution process.
The term 'iron' would have been used figuratively and not literally by people with limited vocabulary to describe the changes and by the feel of the area after training for long periods of time.
Doing this all over your body seems slightly pointless personally but the hands as a weaponized way to engage in self defence certainly has its place and its merits.
Ultimately, if one knows the correct techniques, the correct places to strike and has a strong Nei Gong (internal qi cultivation practice) then breaking a skull with a single punch would be very easy - and also very likely to land you in prison for life.
Knowing the pressure points well and prioritizing the delivery of qi to the target point can produce a 'clean' blow whereby no marks are left and no visible injury is sustained however the disruption to the flow of qi to the vital organs can be disrupted, destabilised or reversed which done correctly can cause a myriad of acute and chronic health problems to the opponent up to and including instant or delayed death.
These are the principles of the Dim Mak, whose masters recommend learning the healing applications of the points before attempting to master the devestating ability of them to overcome your opponents.
@makesyouperfect
Your example is faulty. Mike Tyson isn't a role model and doesn't even seem aware of what Qi is, let alone consciously manipulating it.
The rest has been said by other people.
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Do you guys really use lbf as a unit of measurement? We're not in the US here, though, and neither in the Commonwealth. Please use SI units, such as N to name to most common for Force and Pa the most common for pressure. This is just to enable people from all nation to understand, despite their background in physics.
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@JohnsonAkemi
I love how you explain physics. If they haven't got it with your reply, I don't know how they could ever get it by reading it. I hope they have or someone would have to explain them by videos or other methods.
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@makesyouperfect
Your example is faulty. Mike Tyson isn't a role model and doesn't even seem aware of what Qi is, let alone consciously manipulating it.
The rest has been said by other people.
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Do you guys really use lbf as a unit of measurement? We're not in the US here, though, and neither in the Commonwealth. Please use SI units, such as N to name to most common for Force and Pa the most common for pressure. This is just to enable people from all nation to understand, despite their background in physics.
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@JohnsonAkemi
I love how you explain physics. If they haven't got it with your reply, I don't know how they could ever get it by reading it. I hope they have or someone would have to explain them by videos or other methods.
With respect to the practice of Iron Palm Technique, it is important to ensure that you are not striking your canvas bag too hard, too often.
The key to lasting and beneficial bone hardening is moderate injury and accelerated healing.
The latter should occur through the use of a strong liniment which should have the ability to remove bruises quicker than normal.
If it cannot do this, it is useless.
Appropriate rest should be taken between sessions and sessions during which more than moderate impact occurs may warrant a longer rest period.
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With respect to the practice of Iron Palm Technique, it is important to ensure that you are not striking your canvas bag too hard, too often.
The key to lasting and beneficial bone hardening is moderate injury and accelerated healing.
The latter should occur through the use of a strong liniment which should have the ability to remove bruises quicker than normal.
If it cannot do this, it is useless.
Appropriate rest should be taken between sessions and sessions during which more than moderate impact occurs may warrant a longer rest period.
You hit the nail on the head. I have tried doing it consecutively everyday, but in the end I naturally felt it would be better to do it ~1 time per week, maybe even only every two weeks if I trained really hard.
Thanks for the reply. :)
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 0:21, ivyissexy69@... [SSHealth] wrote: With respect to the practice of Iron Palm Technique, it is important to ensure that you are not striking your canvas bag too hard, too often.
The key to lasting and beneficial bone hardening is moderate injury and accelerated healing.
The latter should occur through the use of a strong liniment which should have the ability to remove bruises quicker than normal.
If it cannot do this, it is useless.
Appropriate rest should be taken between sessions and sessions during which more than moderate impact occurs may warrant a longer rest period.
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You hit the nail on the head. I have tried doing it consecutively everyday, but in the end I naturally felt it would be better to do it ~1 time per week, maybe even only every two weeks if I trained really hard.
Thanks for the reply. :)
-Shael
Hail Satan Forever!
Hail Minoson Forever!
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 0:21, ivyissexy69@... [SSHealth] wrote: With respect to the practice of Iron Palm Technique, it is important to ensure that you are not striking your canvas bag too hard, too often.
The key to lasting and beneficial bone hardening is moderate injury and accelerated healing.
The latter should occur through the use of a strong liniment which should have the ability to remove bruises quicker than normal.
If it cannot do this, it is useless.
Appropriate rest should be taken between sessions and sessions during which more than moderate impact occurs may warrant a longer rest period.
I would suggest that once per week is too little.
Perhaps there may be the odd occassion where you would like to skip a day but this also depends on what your training medium is, be it rice, beans or something harder.
In the beginning, a canvas bag filled with rice should suffice, and this should be used until the rice is powdered before increasing the strength of the medium to say, dry lentil beans.
Rice can be struck daily except where you have engaged very hard strikes and caused lingering pain, but this is not an advisable approach.
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I would suggest that once per week is too little.
Perhaps there may be the odd occassion where you would like to skip a day but this also depends on what your training medium is, be it rice, beans or something harder.
In the beginning, a canvas bag filled with rice should suffice, and this should be used until the rice is powdered before increasing the strength of the medium to say, dry lentil beans.
Rice can be struck daily except where you have engaged very hard strikes and caused lingering pain, but this is not an advisable approach.