Chinese elements in alchemy and medicine?

[jxk2080]

Whats with the differences between the Chinese and oriental elements and diagrams? Instead of the western ether fire air water earth, which is even used in the hindu vedic texts, you have Fire Wind Water Wood and Metal? What the fuck?

 

[ilovesanat]

Metal = Gold, which is Aether.

Wood is Air

 

[starduststreakoflightning]

Are you sure about that, ilovesanat?
Metal rules the lungs and the large intestine. Sounds like Air to me.
jxk2080 there's no wind as an element in TCM. The elements are fire, water, earth, metal and wood.
My limited and superficial knowledge on the subject concerns this associations:[*]Fire = heart, small intestine, pericardium, triple heater</li>[*]Water = kidneys and urinary bladder</li>[*]Wood = liver and gall bladder</li>[*]Earth = stomach and spleen</li>[*]Metal = lungs and large intestine</li>Earth is said to encompass the whole consciousness and keep the other four elements together. Sounds like ether to me, but I'm not certain. Ether is most likely Wood, as I remember reading from an HP that wood is of the ether. I don't remember in what context this was explained, though.
I'm sure centralforce and others will be able to point out much better and more detailed information on the subject.

 

[rook75ten]

Wood being Ether was the 1st thing to come to mind as well,


I remember reading a post about spiritual alchemy is the bible, where jewsus was refereed to as carpenter,
and hp-Mageson did reply with, quote:"Jebooz was called a carpenter because jebooz is stolen and corrupted from the Pagan concept of the resurrecting God in his case Osiris-Dionysus is where jebooz is swiped from and corrupted. The Pagan craft God was a carpenter God because wood is the element of ether and this relates to the spiritual gold."Here is the post i'm referring to:https://web.archive.org/web/20160213092 ... c5986.html


hp-Mageson did also have a post of his own saying this fairly old, way back in 2013 called Runes and Sacred Tree,i quote from him again"With the sacred tree this is why the God was a craftsman God. In many places from Surya to Esus[Wodan-Diony-esus] a carpenter God. As the element of wood symbolizes ether. The subtle ether of the soul. Hence the fashioner of the tree is the working the craft of perfecting the soul. Its stated that Woden created the first man and women from the wood of trees for this reason and breathed the breath of life into them."
here's the post i'm referring to:https://web.archive.org/web/20141228070 ... ic186.html

 

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Are you sure about that, ilovesanat?
Metal rules the lungs and the large intestine. Sounds like Air to me.
jxk2080 there's no wind as an element in TCM. The elements are fire, water, earth, metal and wood.
My limited and superficial knowledge on the subject concerns this associations:[*]Fire = heart, small intestine, pericardium, triple heater</li>[*]Water = kidneys and urinary bladder</li>[*]Wood = liver and gall bladder</li>[*]Earth = stomach and spleen</li>[*]Metal = lungs and large intestine</li>Earth is said to encompass the whole consciousness and keep the other four elements together. Sounds like ether to me, but I'm not certain. Ether is most likely Wood, as I remember reading from an HP that wood is of the ether. I don't remember in what context this was explained, though.
I'm sure centralforce and others will be able to point out much better and more detailed information on the subject.

 

[centralforce6661]

I have looked as far into this as I could...

The simple answer is that the Chinese elements do not directly correlate with the western ones...

Instead, each Chinese element has a yin part and a yang part and these yin and Yang parts more closely correlate with the western astrology elements..

I haven't concluded which elements make up each one except to say that fire and earth are the two elements which appear to be closest to their western counterparts.

 

[jxk2080]

Id love to read more on this. I was aware that Wood is often regarded as the Ether, as spoken of by Mageson's esoteric posts, which was mentioned above. But the configuration of the details as to what that primal substance does is what makes them use a more tangible designstion of the elements. Im not sure why I said wind, I guess I was mus quoting some text at a late hour.

By the way, Centralforce, what do you think of this incredibly detailed series of books for QiGong TCM? The name of the series is "Chinese Medical Qi Gong Therapy".

It is an older less edited version of a series of books which are now at the official price of $400 all together. I was not about to pay for that being broke as I am at the moment but was able to acquire the entire free PDF versions of them, and assured the ISBN and page count were accurate etc.

Also, would you like me to email them to you if you have not seen them yet? Any books you would reccomend to me?