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baron_hasani

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Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
No, I'm researched in Astrology as well, (I'm not an expert). Harmonious aspects with Saturn can bring about such things as solidarity, advancement, and many other positive things. Saturn can bring disaster, yes, and it can bring the opposite too.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@... wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
I have found in prediction, the trines [sextiles are somewhat weak unless the planet stations] to be a lesser, but depressing influence, usually not manifesting in any major event, but affecting one's emotions and mind from a situation in many cases. There is a lot of misinformation in Hindu astrology, but also a lot of truths. I have found by blending eastern with western astrology [I always use the tropical and NOT the sidereal zodiac] there is much higher accuracy in interpretations. Both systems have their flaws, though. Western astrology erroneously asserts that all trines and sextiles are good and all oppositions and squares are bad. This is not so. Taking from Hindu astrology teachings- it is the NATURE of the planet that determines the influences for better or worse not only in predictive astrology, but in reading a natal chart as well. The trines and sextiles of Saturn may be softer, but there is still a negative influence.

In addition, much personal study is important. Astrology books can only be a guide up to a point. Astrology is also, like any other occult discipline, such as reading Tarot cards, somewhat of a psychic discipline as well. What planetary aspects and placements in one astrology chart, the effects can be very different in another, even those who have near close aspects. Nearly every astrology book will rave how beneficial a jupiter/venus [both benefic planets] is. Unfortunately, this is not so. I knew a man who had Sagittarius rising [jupiter chart ruler] and his jupiter was tightly conjunct venus on his descendant [more powerful on the angle], with Taurus [ruled by venus] on the cusp of his sixth house of health. Any time the chart ruler is in aspect to the ruler of the sixth house and/or planets in the sixth [the tighter the aspect in orb, the more pronounced the influence], there WILL be life long health problems in relation to the sign on the sixth
and/or planets therein.

Well, this man, as a very young child accidentally drank some cleaning solution which scarred his throat severaly [taurus/venus rules the throat], and had life long health problems because of this. This is what I mean, when I say you can't take what is on the astrology books and teachings based upon the cookie cutter crap. One must read and study with discretion and sadly, astrology is one of the most advanced and difficult [BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE] to learn.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@... wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
I better clarify this a bit more here. That jupiter/venus conjunction I just cited as an example. This had to do with the INDIVIDUAL'S ascending sign and sign on his sixth house. Say for another example, another person born that exact same day had Libra on the ascendant and the ruling venus [Libra rising] conjunct Jupiter, which would be placed in the ninth or tenth house near the midheaven [the example below, both planets were in the sign of Gemini]. The influence in the chart would be beneficial, resulting in advancement and good fortune regarding travel, higher education, spirituality and other areas of life ruled by the ninth house. In the tenth or on the midheaven [even more powerful], this would usually result in fame.

Again, clarifying- the predictive examples about the trines and sextiles was in reply to the question below concerning the planet Saturn. Jupiter trines and sextiles are normally fortunate, unless there is a load of bad planetary energies and then, the jupiter can be a protection from total disaster in most cases. Pluto trines and sextiles to natal planets in prediction 99% of the time, WILL manifest in major life altering EVENTS in one way or another, and the other 1% of the time in psychological changes by themselves. Like I already stated- look to the nature of the planet.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:


I have found in prediction, the trines [sextiles are somewhat weak unless the planet stations] to be a lesser, but depressing influence, usually not manifesting in any major event, but affecting one's emotions and mind from a situation in many cases. There is a lot of misinformation in Hindu astrology, but also a lot of truths. I have found by blending eastern with western astrology [I always use the tropical and NOT the sidereal zodiac] there is much higher accuracy in interpretations. Both systems have their flaws, though. Western astrology erroneously asserts that all trines and sextiles are good and all oppositions and squares are bad. This is not so. Taking from Hindu astrology teachings- it is the NATURE of the planet that determines the influences for better or worse not only in predictive astrology, but in reading a natal chart as well. The trines and sextiles of Saturn may be softer, but there is still a negative influence.

In addition, much personal study is important. Astrology books can only be a guide up to a point. Astrology is also, like any other occult discipline, such as reading Tarot cards, somewhat of a psychic discipline as well. What planetary aspects and placements in one astrology chart, the effects can be very different in another, even those who have near close aspects. Nearly every astrology book will rave how beneficial a jupiter/venus [both benefic planets] is. Unfortunately, this is not so. I knew a man who had Sagittarius rising [jupiter chart ruler] and his jupiter was tightly conjunct venus on his descendant [more powerful on the angle], with Taurus [ruled by venus] on the cusp of his sixth house of health. Any time the chart ruler is in aspect to the ruler of the sixth house and/or planets in the sixth [the tighter the aspect in orb, the more pronounced the influence], there WILL be life long health problems in relation to the sign on the sixth
and/or planets therein.

Well, this man, as a very young child accidentally drank some cleaning solution which scarred his throat severaly [taurus/venus rules the throat], and had life long health problems because of this. This is what I mean, when I say you can't take what is on the astrology books and teachings based upon the cookie cutter crap. One must read and study with discretion and sadly, astrology is one of the most advanced and difficult [BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE] to learn.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@ wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
Thanks HP Maxine for the info. Am trying to learn astrology I really want to become very good at it. Am reading different books and using Azazel's astrology on the JoS site. Am getting it slowly but surely. At least the basic.

Hail Satan! Hail Azazel! Hail the Gods of Duat!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:


I better clarify this a bit more here. That jupiter/venus conjunction I just cited as an example. This had to do with the INDIVIDUAL'S ascending sign and sign on his sixth house. Say for another example, another person born that exact same day had Libra on the ascendant and the ruling venus [Libra rising] conjunct Jupiter, which would be placed in the ninth or tenth house near the midheaven [the example below, both planets were in the sign of Gemini]. The influence in the chart would be beneficial, resulting in advancement and good fortune regarding travel, higher education, spirituality and other areas of life ruled by the ninth house. In the tenth or on the midheaven [even more powerful], this would usually result in fame.

Again, clarifying- the predictive examples about the trines and sextiles was in reply to the question below concerning the planet Saturn. Jupiter trines and sextiles are normally fortunate, unless there is a load of bad planetary energies and then, the jupiter can be a protection from total disaster in most cases. Pluto trines and sextiles to natal planets in prediction 99% of the time, WILL manifest in major life altering EVENTS in one way or another, and the other 1% of the time in psychological changes by themselves. Like I already stated- look to the nature of the planet.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I have found in prediction, the trines [sextiles are somewhat weak unless the planet stations] to be a lesser, but depressing influence, usually not manifesting in any major event, but affecting one's emotions and mind from a situation in many cases. There is a lot of misinformation in Hindu astrology, but also a lot of truths. I have found by blending eastern with western astrology [I always use the tropical and NOT the sidereal zodiac] there is much higher accuracy in interpretations. Both systems have their flaws, though. Western astrology erroneously asserts that all trines and sextiles are good and all oppositions and squares are bad. This is not so. Taking from Hindu astrology teachings- it is the NATURE of the planet that determines the influences for better or worse not only in predictive astrology, but in reading a natal chart as well. The trines and sextiles of Saturn may be softer, but there is still a negative influence.

In addition, much personal study is important. Astrology books can only be a guide up to a point. Astrology is also, like any other occult discipline, such as reading Tarot cards, somewhat of a psychic discipline as well. What planetary aspects and placements in one astrology chart, the effects can be very different in another, even those who have near close aspects. Nearly every astrology book will rave how beneficial a jupiter/venus [both benefic planets] is. Unfortunately, this is not so. I knew a man who had Sagittarius rising [jupiter chart ruler] and his jupiter was tightly conjunct venus on his descendant [more powerful on the angle], with Taurus [ruled by venus] on the cusp of his sixth house of health. Any time the chart ruler is in aspect to the ruler of the sixth house and/or planets in the sixth [the tighter the aspect in orb, the more pronounced the influence], there WILL be life long health problems in relation to the sign on the sixth
and/or planets therein.

Well, this man, as a very young child accidentally drank some cleaning solution which scarred his throat severaly [taurus/venus rules the throat], and had life long health problems because of this. This is what I mean, when I say you can't take what is on the astrology books and teachings based upon the cookie cutter crap. One must read and study with discretion and sadly, astrology is one of the most advanced and difficult [BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE] to learn.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@ wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
Hey Tanya, Astrology's something I'm quite interested in learning more about as well. I've studied it for some time and have read quite a few books and have read a number of people's charts. If you're ever interested in chatting about it or sharing information or theories, etc, let me know.

Hail Father Satan!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tanya.azazel" <tanya.azazel@... wrote:

Thanks HP Maxine for the info. Am trying to learn astrology I really want to become very good at it. Am reading different books and using Azazel's astrology on the JoS site. Am getting it slowly but surely. At least the basic.

Hail Satan! Hail Azazel! Hail the Gods of Duat!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I better clarify this a bit more here. That jupiter/venus conjunction I just cited as an example. This had to do with the INDIVIDUAL'S ascending sign and sign on his sixth house. Say for another example, another person born that exact same day had Libra on the ascendant and the ruling venus [Libra rising] conjunct Jupiter, which would be placed in the ninth or tenth house near the midheaven [the example below, both planets were in the sign of Gemini]. The influence in the chart would be beneficial, resulting in advancement and good fortune regarding travel, higher education, spirituality and other areas of life ruled by the ninth house. In the tenth or on the midheaven [even more powerful], this would usually result in fame.

Again, clarifying- the predictive examples about the trines and sextiles was in reply to the question below concerning the planet Saturn. Jupiter trines and sextiles are normally fortunate, unless there is a load of bad planetary energies and then, the jupiter can be a protection from total disaster in most cases. Pluto trines and sextiles to natal planets in prediction 99% of the time, WILL manifest in major life altering EVENTS in one way or another, and the other 1% of the time in psychological changes by themselves. Like I already stated- look to the nature of the planet.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I have found in prediction, the trines [sextiles are somewhat weak unless the planet stations] to be a lesser, but depressing influence, usually not manifesting in any major event, but affecting one's emotions and mind from a situation in many cases. There is a lot of misinformation in Hindu astrology, but also a lot of truths. I have found by blending eastern with western astrology [I always use the tropical and NOT the sidereal zodiac] there is much higher accuracy in interpretations. Both systems have their flaws, though. Western astrology erroneously asserts that all trines and sextiles are good and all oppositions and squares are bad. This is not so. Taking from Hindu astrology teachings- it is the NATURE of the planet that determines the influences for better or worse not only in predictive astrology, but in reading a natal chart as well. The trines and sextiles of Saturn may be softer, but there is still a negative influence.

In addition, much personal study is important. Astrology books can only be a guide up to a point. Astrology is also, like any other occult discipline, such as reading Tarot cards, somewhat of a psychic discipline as well. What planetary aspects and placements in one astrology chart, the effects can be very different in another, even those who have near close aspects. Nearly every astrology book will rave how beneficial a jupiter/venus [both benefic planets] is. Unfortunately, this is not so. I knew a man who had Sagittarius rising [jupiter chart ruler] and his jupiter was tightly conjunct venus on his descendant [more powerful on the angle], with Taurus [ruled by venus] on the cusp of his sixth house of health. Any time the chart ruler is in aspect to the ruler of the sixth house and/or planets in the sixth [the tighter the aspect in orb, the more pronounced the influence], there WILL be life long health problems in relation to the sign on the sixth
and/or planets therein.

Well, this man, as a very young child accidentally drank some cleaning solution which scarred his throat severaly [taurus/venus rules the throat], and had life long health problems because of this. This is what I mean, when I say you can't take what is on the astrology books and teachings based upon the cookie cutter crap. One must read and study with discretion and sadly, astrology is one of the most advanced and difficult [BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE] to learn.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@ wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
Okay, am not a pro but yeah maybe we can help each other. You seem to be coming along good at it if your reading charts. Am not there yet.

Hail Satan! Hail Azazel! Hail the Gods of Duat!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "beelzebub2114" <beelzebub2114@... wrote:

Hey Tanya, Astrology's something I'm quite interested in learning more about as well. I've studied it for some time and have read quite a few books and have read a number of people's charts. If you're ever interested in chatting about it or sharing information or theories, etc, let me know.

Hail Father Satan!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tanya.azazel" <tanya.azazel@ wrote:

Thanks HP Maxine for the info. Am trying to learn astrology I really want to become very good at it. Am reading different books and using Azazel's astrology on the JoS site. Am getting it slowly but surely. At least the basic.

Hail Satan! Hail Azazel! Hail the Gods of Duat!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I better clarify this a bit more here. That jupiter/venus conjunction I just cited as an example. This had to do with the INDIVIDUAL'S ascending sign and sign on his sixth house. Say for another example, another person born that exact same day had Libra on the ascendant and the ruling venus [Libra rising] conjunct Jupiter, which would be placed in the ninth or tenth house near the midheaven [the example below, both planets were in the sign of Gemini]. The influence in the chart would be beneficial, resulting in advancement and good fortune regarding travel, higher education, spirituality and other areas of life ruled by the ninth house. In the tenth or on the midheaven [even more powerful], this would usually result in fame.

Again, clarifying- the predictive examples about the trines and sextiles was in reply to the question below concerning the planet Saturn. Jupiter trines and sextiles are normally fortunate, unless there is a load of bad planetary energies and then, the jupiter can be a protection from total disaster in most cases. Pluto trines and sextiles to natal planets in prediction 99% of the time, WILL manifest in major life altering EVENTS in one way or another, and the other 1% of the time in psychological changes by themselves. Like I already stated- look to the nature of the planet.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I have found in prediction, the trines [sextiles are somewhat weak unless the planet stations] to be a lesser, but depressing influence, usually not manifesting in any major event, but affecting one's emotions and mind from a situation in many cases. There is a lot of misinformation in Hindu astrology, but also a lot of truths. I have found by blending eastern with western astrology [I always use the tropical and NOT the sidereal zodiac] there is much higher accuracy in interpretations. Both systems have their flaws, though. Western astrology erroneously asserts that all trines and sextiles are good and all oppositions and squares are bad. This is not so. Taking from Hindu astrology teachings- it is the NATURE of the planet that determines the influences for better or worse not only in predictive astrology, but in reading a natal chart as well. The trines and sextiles of Saturn may be softer, but there is still a negative influence.

In addition, much personal study is important. Astrology books can only be a guide up to a point. Astrology is also, like any other occult discipline, such as reading Tarot cards, somewhat of a psychic discipline as well. What planetary aspects and placements in one astrology chart, the effects can be very different in another, even those who have near close aspects. Nearly every astrology book will rave how beneficial a jupiter/venus [both benefic planets] is. Unfortunately, this is not so. I knew a man who had Sagittarius rising [jupiter chart ruler] and his jupiter was tightly conjunct venus on his descendant [more powerful on the angle], with Taurus [ruled by venus] on the cusp of his sixth house of health. Any time the chart ruler is in aspect to the ruler of the sixth house and/or planets in the sixth [the tighter the aspect in orb, the more pronounced the influence], there WILL be life long health problems in relation to the sign on the sixth
and/or planets therein.

Well, this man, as a very young child accidentally drank some cleaning solution which scarred his throat severaly [taurus/venus rules the throat], and had life long health problems because of this. This is what I mean, when I say you can't take what is on the astrology books and teachings based upon the cookie cutter crap. One must read and study with discretion and sadly, astrology is one of the most advanced and difficult [BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE] to learn.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@ wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 
I am also very interested in astrology readings. That and tarot readings, which I don't know where to find good information on. But I will continue to study.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "beelzebub2114" <beelzebub2114@... wrote:

Hey Tanya, Astrology's something I'm quite interested in learning more about as well. I've studied it for some time and have read quite a few books and have read a number of people's charts. If you're ever interested in chatting about it or sharing information or theories, etc, let me know.

Hail Father Satan!!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tanya.azazel" <tanya.azazel@ wrote:

Thanks HP Maxine for the info. Am trying to learn astrology I really want to become very good at it. Am reading different books and using Azazel's astrology on the JoS site. Am getting it slowly but surely. At least the basic.

Hail Satan! Hail Azazel! Hail the Gods of Duat!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I better clarify this a bit more here. That jupiter/venus conjunction I just cited as an example. This had to do with the INDIVIDUAL'S ascending sign and sign on his sixth house. Say for another example, another person born that exact same day had Libra on the ascendant and the ruling venus [Libra rising] conjunct Jupiter, which would be placed in the ninth or tenth house near the midheaven [the example below, both planets were in the sign of Gemini]. The influence in the chart would be beneficial, resulting in advancement and good fortune regarding travel, higher education, spirituality and other areas of life ruled by the ninth house. In the tenth or on the midheaven [even more powerful], this would usually result in fame.

Again, clarifying- the predictive examples about the trines and sextiles was in reply to the question below concerning the planet Saturn. Jupiter trines and sextiles are normally fortunate, unless there is a load of bad planetary energies and then, the jupiter can be a protection from total disaster in most cases. Pluto trines and sextiles to natal planets in prediction 99% of the time, WILL manifest in major life altering EVENTS in one way or another, and the other 1% of the time in psychological changes by themselves. Like I already stated- look to the nature of the planet.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:


I have found in prediction, the trines [sextiles are somewhat weak unless the planet stations] to be a lesser, but depressing influence, usually not manifesting in any major event, but affecting one's emotions and mind from a situation in many cases. There is a lot of misinformation in Hindu astrology, but also a lot of truths. I have found by blending eastern with western astrology [I always use the tropical and NOT the sidereal zodiac] there is much higher accuracy in interpretations. Both systems have their flaws, though. Western astrology erroneously asserts that all trines and sextiles are good and all oppositions and squares are bad. This is not so. Taking from Hindu astrology teachings- it is the NATURE of the planet that determines the influences for better or worse not only in predictive astrology, but in reading a natal chart as well. The trines and sextiles of Saturn may be softer, but there is still a negative influence.

In addition, much personal study is important. Astrology books can only be a guide up to a point. Astrology is also, like any other occult discipline, such as reading Tarot cards, somewhat of a psychic discipline as well. What planetary aspects and placements in one astrology chart, the effects can be very different in another, even those who have near close aspects. Nearly every astrology book will rave how beneficial a jupiter/venus [both benefic planets] is. Unfortunately, this is not so. I knew a man who had Sagittarius rising [jupiter chart ruler] and his jupiter was tightly conjunct venus on his descendant [more powerful on the angle], with Taurus [ruled by venus] on the cusp of his sixth house of health. Any time the chart ruler is in aspect to the ruler of the sixth house and/or planets in the sixth [the tighter the aspect in orb, the more pronounced the influence], there WILL be life long health problems in relation to the sign on the sixth
and/or planets therein.

Well, this man, as a very young child accidentally drank some cleaning solution which scarred his throat severaly [taurus/venus rules the throat], and had life long health problems because of this. This is what I mean, when I say you can't take what is on the astrology books and teachings based upon the cookie cutter crap. One must read and study with discretion and sadly, astrology is one of the most advanced and difficult [BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE] to learn.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "baron_hasani" <baron_hasani@ wrote:

Hello HP Maxine.

I have read and did research on many aspects to the planets and so forth. Like the case of hard Saturn transits bring disasters. Does harmonious aspects like trine and sextiles of both kinds tend to be malefic with Saturn too?
 

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