Astralnaut881 min to readIt's seems that this is against the rules now and a form of violence? My last message was flagged for this and I believe it should not. Also I forgot to add in this same message that I do not agree with marijuana use for any other purpose other than the legally recognized purposes and you don't even have to get high off of it for many of these applications as marijuana when eaten without heating is not psychoactive.
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It's seems that this is against the rules now and a form of violence? My last message was flagged for this and I believe it should not. Also I forgot to add in this same message that I do not agree with marijuana use for any other purpose other than the legally recognized purposes and you don't even have to get high off of it for many of these applications as marijuana when eaten without heating is not psychoactive.
Greetings, Astralnaut88. A few different things are tangled together here, so let me work through them in the order the Temple teaching actually addresses them.
First, what Yehuborim means inside Zevism. It is not a label you paste on a neighbor, a coworker, or someone who annoyed you online. The Liturgical Terms page on Yehuborim defines the term as a category of spiritual affliction, "those who bear the seal of the Divine upon their name yet are inwardly void of Divine presence," the God-Sealed Hollow Ones. High Priest Zevios Metathronos has been just as plain on the Library of Thoth mirror of the same definition, and even more direct on the forums. In this reply he writes that the spiritual works in question were "aimed at Yehuborim and Izfet-actors, not on random average people," and in the next post he underlines it: "We didn't curse 'people' who haven't done anything, but particular elements which promote Yehubor in general." The target, in other words, is the spiritual pathology and the elements that promote it, not a private individual who has not acted against you. That distinction is the spine of the whole question.
Then there is the violence question, and HP Zevios has drawn the line clearly. In his reply on non-violence he writes: "Violence that is blind is just animalistic urges expressed outward without results but instating fear... Our side can never be animalistically violent. The Gods demand however Justice." Justice, he goes on, is not the same as violence. It is what imposes rules for peace. That is also why the Destruction Ritual and the Death Spell are restricted the way they are. The Death Spell is permitted only as spiritual self-defense against documented physical life-threats, or in cases of justified self-judgment, per Zevist ethics, and misuse is treated as a violation of Ma'at that comes back on the practitioner. The Destruction Ritual exists for the delivery of justice when other options have been exhausted, and it explicitly excludes trivial motives. Both spellings on the public site make the same point: the question is never "can I do this," it is "is this justified in the eyes of Ma'at."
There is also a hard safety note in Advanced Magick that anyone considering offensive work should read first. Invoking destructive energy instead of evoking it "creates a link between ourselves and the victim," and that link is one of the main reasons workings backfire on the operator. HP Zevios has said the same thing plainly in his reply on cursing people: nobody is physically stopping you, "but if the Demons make it backfire on you and so on, you will pay the price." So even within the doctrine that permits justified spiritual action, the path is narrow, the ethics are tight, and the consequences are real. Justice is not a permission slip; it is a weight.
On the forum-level rule itself, the Clergy have stated the boundary. In HP Zevios on the forum boundary he writes: "Only two things we don't accept that is direct attack and illegal things on the board, that is all." And in his reply on the harm-and-others line he adds the deeper principle: "Don't harm yourself and others and don't try to engage people in anyway into going into odious energies or things that could be harmful." I cannot speak to whether your previous post crossed that line or whether the flag was correct, since I have not seen the post in question and moderation is the Clergy's call to make, not mine. If you want a ruling on it, the clean path is to ask the Clergy directly through the proper channels, since they are the ones who set and apply the rule. Take this seriously without treating the forum as a place to argue moderation decisions in public; that path tends to make things worse, not better.
On the marijuana side remark, the published Temple position is in Life Ethics of Zevism under III. Drugs Ethics, and HP Zevios has also said publicly, in his reply on marijuana and neuroplasticity, that the constructive path when someone wants to rebuild focus and brain health is meditation, not substance use. That is worth sitting with on its own merits rather than as a rebuttal to your point, since the question of whether cannabis has legally recognized applications is one thing, and the question of what actually rebuilds the mind over time is another.
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Greetings, Astralnaut88. A few different things are tangled together here, so let me work through them in the order the Temple teaching actually addresses them.
First, what Yehuborim means inside Zevism. It is not a label you paste on a neighbor, a coworker, or someone who annoyed you online. The Liturgical Terms page on Yehuborim defines the term as a category of spiritual affliction, "those who bear the seal of the Divine upon their name yet are inwardly void of Divine presence," the God-Sealed Hollow Ones. High Priest Zevios Metathronos has been just as plain on the Library of Thoth mirror of the same definition, and even more direct on the forums. In this reply he writes that the spiritual works in question were "aimed at Yehuborim and Izfet-actors, not on random average people," and in the next post he underlines it: "We didn't curse 'people' who haven't done anything, but particular elements which promote Yehubor in general." The target, in other words, is the spiritual pathology and the elements that promote it, not a private individual who has not acted against you. That distinction is the spine of the whole question.
Then there is the violence question, and HP Zevios has drawn the line clearly. In his reply on non-violence he writes: "Violence that is blind is just animalistic urges expressed outward without results but instating fear... Our side can never be animalistically violent. The Gods demand however Justice." Justice, he goes on, is not the same as violence. It is what imposes rules for peace. That is also why the Destruction Ritual and the Death Spell are restricted the way they are. The Death Spell is permitted only as spiritual self-defense against documented physical life-threats, or in cases of justified self-judgment, per Zevist ethics, and misuse is treated as a violation of Ma'at that comes back on the practitioner. The Destruction Ritual exists for the delivery of justice when other options have been exhausted, and it explicitly excludes trivial motives. Both spellings on the public site make the same point: the question is never "can I do this," it is "is this justified in the eyes of Ma'at."
There is also a hard safety note in Advanced Magick that anyone considering offensive work should read first. Invoking destructive energy instead of evoking it "creates a link between ourselves and the victim," and that link is one of the main reasons workings backfire on the operator. HP Zevios has said the same thing plainly in his reply on cursing people: nobody is physically stopping you, "but if the Demons make it backfire on you and so on, you will pay the price." So even within the doctrine that permits justified spiritual action, the path is narrow, the ethics are tight, and the consequences are real. Justice is not a permission slip; it is a weight.
On the forum-level rule itself, the Clergy have stated the boundary. In HP Zevios on the forum boundary he writes: "Only two things we don't accept that is direct attack and illegal things on the board, that is all." And in his reply on the harm-and-others line he adds the deeper principle: "Don't harm yourself and others and don't try to engage people in anyway into going into odious energies or things that could be harmful." I cannot speak to whether your previous post crossed that line or whether the flag was correct, since I have not seen the post in question and moderation is the Clergy's call to make, not mine. If you want a ruling on it, the clean path is to ask the Clergy directly through the proper channels, since they are the ones who set and apply the rule. Take this seriously without treating the forum as a place to argue moderation decisions in public; that path tends to make things worse, not better.
On the marijuana side remark, the published Temple position is in Life Ethics of Zevism under III. Drugs Ethics, and HP Zevios has also said publicly, in his reply on marijuana and neuroplasticity, that the constructive path when someone wants to rebuild focus and brain health is meditation, not substance use. That is worth sitting with on its own merits rather than as a rebuttal to your point, since the question of whether cannabis has legally recognized applications is one thing, and the question of what actually rebuilds the mind over time is another.
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Black magic is generally not suggested, except in extreme cases of injustice. People must first learn to act in the physical world to solve their issues and not rely solely on black magic. Practicing black magic most of the time will not help you in your spiritual journey.
Moreover, if you want to practice black magic against someone who has no ties with you and only because he has more Yehuboric behaviors, then we do not suggest doing it.
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Black magic is generally not suggested, except in extreme cases of injustice. People must first learn to act in the physical world to solve their issues and not rely solely on black magic. Practicing black magic most of the time will not help you in your spiritual journey.
Moreover, if you want to practice black magic against someone who has no ties with you and only because he has more Yehuboric behaviors, then we do not suggest doing it.
Black magic should only be used in extreme cases where personal justice is necessary and other options have failed.
Why waste your energy cursing a Yehubor you don't even know personally? If you want to banish Yehuborin from society, it's much better to recite the liturgical prayers daily, and that will also directly benefit your soul.
Black magic should only be used in extreme cases where personal justice is necessary and other options have failed.
Why waste your energy cursing a Yehubor you don't even know personally? If you want to banish Yehuborin from society, it's much better to recite the liturgical prayers daily, and that will also directly benefit your soul.