Why Are Posts Being Rejected?

[DiscipleofEshmun]

In due time most of these things will resolve,

Even the motives and good interests of these things,
Take a moment in the silence and you will find the gods already answered you,
This thread will keep going on and on since at a point it all turn into a battle of egos for both sides and you know how fruitless and frustrating these becomes,You understand things in your one way and you argue with others who have their own understandings of it,


I have faith you will understand old friend,
Take a breather,2 months, forget,

I will do that honestly. This is tiresome.

 

[Henu the Great]

You're actually describing yourself.

Ok.

You can seek clarity on this matter anytime as a Zevist from a Deity.

 

[Henu the Great]

I normally steer clear of conflicts at my age, because I've learnt most are pointless, but this has been going on for 3 days now. I have recently seen members here who showed real promise spiritually, only to be shamed out of the forum and ToZ because of their stubborn pride and misguided egos.
The point is not always to be seen as right, but to understand that wisdom is attained by listening and trying to understand the truth of the matter with an objective and unprejudiced attitude.
This also tarnishes the appearance and reputation of the forum in the eyes of new initiatied people coming here.

This is a regular occurrence, mostly around subjects such as food, money, sexuality, and lastly, but certainly not leastly, the actions of the clergy. It is a sign of an ever-growing and evolving group. If no such thing were to happen, no growth would be present. Since the group is not like other groups, as it is quite longer-lasting than, say, a school or work project, this happens over and over as part of the group's evolution.

 

[Marcusfortis]

I understand your explanation and the difference between that situation and someone stepping over the line with threats and abuse towards members and clergy. That is obviously when more severe measures must be taken.
Thanks for the clarification

 

[Emergent13]

Ok.

You can seek clarity on this matter anytime as a Zevist from a Deity.

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

 

[Emergent13]

Another of my replies to Emergent was disapproved where I went into detail about the shade I have seen thrown at HPS Pythia.

If you think you are being censored, then accept that not everything is perfect, which might be hard for your personality.

Also, no one is perfect.

The path is more individual than I anticipated before. Just think about the insane things that we were told and believed before, now these things got rendered as "if you said something like this to an ancient Priest, he would laugh at you", which is true, but regardless we were still believing in some laughable "insane" matters. I literally lost my only friend of 8 years because of this, and I am a very socially isolated person so it was quite significant.

I don't know the context of what you are referring to, and if it's not passing through, there is nothing I can do, nor you can do probably.

It seems that these updates are being taken place "despite" the current members. Maybe HPZM thinks that the community is not ready to get many explanations, or maybe he thinks it's best to be quick and rush this. It might what current environment requires. I don't know.

All I know is meditations do work, the ethics are superior to any other place I have ever encountered, which is very important for me, and the members are mostly good people.

 

[Beauty]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

Thats important point, i dislike the fact even if one gets answer, it may be misinterpretation, i have idea what about trying to reach out and test this and report the feedback you got? Even if personally i feel its inappropriate to ask these things

 

[serpentwalker666]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

Past a point these things just limit us developmentally as beings. Based also on what we have internally in ourselves this limits and even influences what we can receive from the Gods in terms of Astral Communication, like High Priest Zevios Metathronos explained.

What we had before was okay up to a point, but as you noticed we were rather capped out, in many aspects. Now with this removed, the Gods are far more invested in us alongside the other changes and everything else High Priest Zevios Metathronos has done. They are far more invested in us collectively more then they were before, this speaks volumes I feel to the reality of it all.

I want the complete truth, the clear and full knowledge, everything in the entirety.

Not things that are a product of the time, when the Ancient Priesthoods of the Greeks, Egyptians wouldn't have likely cared for so and so X Ideology being meshed together into a Sacred Temple. I can't speak for them obviously, but I bet we could gather what they would think on this if we read and understand how they viewed things.

 

[Henu the Great]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

There can be inaccuracy in the reception of psychic phenomena, and then there is the fact that the group might be mistaken. That is, if they wanted to indicate that by giving positive reactions, the receiver is absolutely correct. They could very well give likes for a person simply for sharing their experience, and I have seen people giving likes just for the sake of it. It is not a serious measure by any means.

 

[Fahari]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

That a strange occurrence,But I wonder of what interests would a daemon have towards a political ideology?
It doesn't vote,get involved in the rallies and neither are the agendas any group has ever listed included a clause for 'Daemons' ,
It's a strange event tbh,it doesn't make sense

 

[Nordicsupreme]

How can I offer proof when posts where she was disrespected are now deleted? Do you think I do drugs to falsely accuse people of saying things they didn't? I know exactly what I'm talking about and you acting blind or clueless to score points or whatever you're doing doesn't change the facts. I am not falsely accusing anyone. You can act righteous in another thread as you really don't have anything substantial to say to me.

What "proofs" can you offer and what good does it do for the Community?
Without dwelling too much into it lets look at what you or I or some individual contribute and compare it with the yardstick of work spiritually done by the Clergy and Temple. See for yourself how little you and I or anyone else knows when you compare it to the work done and knowledge attained by these people who have dedicated their lives to the Temple
I don't ever think HPS Pythia has been discredited or disrespected by the Temple. When her personal interpretations of the Truth (which again were necessary for growth during her time and the society that she lived in) are challenged and then discussions are steered away from politics to a more focused approach to spirituality there isn't really disrespect thrown in her way. She is highly regarded by everyone here.

When you enter into a career as a manager you don't aim to stay there and hold the same worldview, you aim to grow and the higher you rise up more you the see the world around you changing and newer problems presenting themselves. This growth to senior positions then requires you to understand what is presently happening and work on your limiting beliefs and engineer yourself into a person who can tackle challenges presently to carry the work forward. The problem is in the people who hold past as golden, perfect and free of all evils since it gives comfort knowing the past cannot be changed. But for a living being going through life you cannot live this way. You need to take the good from the past, learn from it and move forward for newer higher knowledge to contribute and participate better in the world around you.

Lets take an example here: If I claim that running is the best exercise and for a group who are unfit this knowledge is golden and me and other running everyday will make us fitter. But when newer study on nutrition, exercise, longevity is provided a rational person will look for a more ways to better themselves instead of holding one world view till they die, such is a suicidal existence when life is not embraced. Such was the case with ToZ when it was started by Lady Pythia, the spiritual development of the world was at an all time low and her efforts through the darkness provided opportunities to better oneself. As people got more knowledgeable and connected with the Gods. newer knowledge some of which contradicted the previous knowledge was shared this was viewed as a threat and disrespect to the very person who got you started on the path. This is far from the Truth. Lady Pythia herself embraced learning and would frequently learn about everything she could get her hands on. She was the first to research and present newer knowledge no matter how much it would have hurt her own credibility.

What you wish for is an unchangeable past which is perfect based on which you can justify your present and the future, such is not possible in any living being. Change and growth happens constantly. If you don't grow positively everyday you start spiraling downwards into negativity. Its time you start taking ownership for yourself before the Gods and start making changes rather than bicker about the past being perfect. There is a possibility in 20 years what we know now will not hold as much ground or relevance in the future world and such a fate should be recognized and worked upon

I request you to focus only on your spiritual development for some years now and stop focusing on things that don't move you forward spiritually
Many blessings, stay blessed

 

[616Taysha]

Uh, to the Mod who rejected my posts for *this* particular part - SORRY, it came way too normal. I acknowledge my mistake.

So, without the particular thing - let me say what I wanted to.

@Emergent13 and @Beauty - from the perspective of a new person, what has been going on for the last few months may seem fast. If you want to be up to date with info that is being revealed / communicated to us, here: https://www.youtube.com/@zevism

Doubt, ask questions, don't be presumptuous (genuine humility is power, seriously), study ToZ and you will be on your best way to betterment, and ultimately - power. Again, take your time. Rome wasn't build in one day, and neither will you ascend in a year.

 

[Emergent13]

Not things that are a product of the time, when the Ancient Priesthoods of the Greeks, Egyptians wouldn't have likely cared for so and so X Ideology being meshed together into a Sacred Temple. I can't speak for them obviously, but I bet we could gather what they would think on this if we read and understand how they viewed things.

I am fully aligned with the Temple being completely seperated from politics. My question was about the nature of this "just ask the Gods" question, and why it failed at that time. Seperation from all and explicitly stating one is completely unfit are different things. It's said before, that "Zevism inevitably leads back to the same source", referencing this ideology <----- OUTDATED
So now, it has been explicitly stated that this ideology is completely unfit. I have no issue with this, it's just that, when this outdated statement has been made, at that time, if one were to ask the Gods, would they be told that what has been said is wrong?

There can be inaccuracy in the reception of psychic phenomena, and then there is the fact that the group might be mistaken.

The whole group was mistaken, not just a small part of it. This was under a deleted sermon from 2022, and some beliefs were the common denominator here at that time. At that time, almost everyone perceived "I asked my guardian and got a positive answer", on that thread as an authoritative source on the topic. No one questioned whether that person might have been mistaken or misunderstood the message.

In a way, the validity of "asking the Gods" and sharing the response in the temple boils down to the majority belief at a given time. If, at that time, a person said they received a message from their guardian saying that the X ideology was completely incompatible with the theology of the gods, it's obvious that the person would be called names. At the very least, people would call this member delusional, claiming that what he received as a sign or message was wrong. But he said that when he asked the Gods, they noded, no one questioned.

However, one might argue that we have evolved so much that from now on there will never be any more cases like this. Therefore, asking the Gods, or asking members to ask the Gods and referencing their answer here as a valid source of authority, biggest one at that, will never cause any misunderstandings.

Definitely a possibility.

 

[Emergent13]

That a strange occurrence,But I wonder of what interests would a daemon have towards a political ideology?
It doesn't vote,get involved in the rallies and neither are the agendas any group has ever listed included a clause for 'Daemons' ,
It's a strange event tbh,it doesn't make sense

Only my opinion.

Well, they exist in an eternal state of ataraxia. "The gods themselves exist in eternal ataraxia: the Olympians are not disturbed by the affairs of mortals." So, it's not like they are personally invested in any ideology. But Zeus states that: "Moreover, I give council to the skilled directors, for I have appointed them for periods that are known to me." So, he also guides righteous politicians.

Temple severing itself from politics, and politics being temporary, doesn't mean politics are useless or not important. We do need righteous politicians that are aligned with Ma'at, and the Gods also would guide them to instill better conditions for general well-being of the population.

 

[Henu the Great]

In a way, the validity of "asking the Gods" and sharing the response in the temple boils down to the majority belief at a given time.

No, it does not. Seeking outside validation from other people does.

And still, we are uncertain about the possibility of distorted reception. The psychological filter is not a joke but something all members deal with to varying degrees.

 

[Beauty]

No, it does not. Seeking outside validation from other people does.

And still, we are uncertain about the possibility of distorted reception. The psychological filter is not a joke but something all members deal with to varying degrees.

If they talk in their voice is that too distorted ?

 

[Dypet Rod]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

Not meaning to perpetuate this thread (given the infighting it turned into), but adding to what you say, there is even a quote attributed to Mother Lilith/Hera which talks explicitly positively about the ideology you're referring to.

I won't quote it here because the quote itself goes directly against our new forum standards. But a lot of members will know which one I'm talking about.
And as such, I am not the only one who may wonder to which extent politics might matter to the Gods, even though we may take the intuitive clue that the Gods' stance on this matter is the same as that of their agents on Earth - our Priesthood.

I'd put this conflict of ideas down to:
- Possible interference in divine communication, especially of a person's own beliefs getting mixed in with what the Gods may say.
- Misinterpretation - the Gods are known to be pragmatic in how they communicate with Zevists. They may have been praising only a particular aspect of said ideology, for example.
- How the current world takes things of that nature - we know the world is just not ready to understand and accept a lot of things. This may be one of them, and maybe that does not necessarily mean all of it is bad.
- What we should be focusing upon for our collective growth - it's not that politics don't matter, but perhaps it's just that modern politics don't matter for us right now.

Politics, as you suggest, are important. Modern politics also have its foundation in Ancient Greece, even.
But modern politics have become toxic and dividing. Making our practices political in nature can hinder our collective growth, as it would clash with the values of half of society (as modern politics always do). Individually, obsessing over politics can also hinder our own personal spiritual development and our greater understanding of things.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

What "proofs" can you offer and what good does it do for the Community?
Without dwelling too much into it lets look at what you or I or some individual contribute and compare it with the yardstick of work spiritually done by the Clergy and Temple. See for yourself how little you and I or anyone else knows when you compare it to the work done and knowledge attained by these people who have dedicated their lives to the Temple
I don't ever think HPS Pythia has been discredited or disrespected by the Temple. When her personal interpretations of the Truth (which again were necessary for growth during her time and the society that she lived in) are challenged and then discussions are steered away from politics to a more focused approach to spirituality there isn't really disrespect thrown in her way. She is highly regarded by everyone here.

When you enter into a career as a manager you don't aim to stay there and hold the same worldview, you aim to grow and the higher you rise up more you the see the world around you changing and newer problems presenting themselves. This growth to senior positions then requires you to understand what is presently happening and work on your limiting beliefs and engineer yourself into a person who can tackle challenges presently to carry the work forward. The problem is in the people who hold past as golden, perfect and free of all evils since it gives comfort knowing the past cannot be changed. But for a living being going through life you cannot live this way. You need to take the good from the past, learn from it and move forward for newer higher knowledge to contribute and participate better in the world around you.

Lets take an example here: If I claim that running is the best exercise and for a group who are unfit this knowledge is golden and me and other running everyday will make us fitter. But when newer study on nutrition, exercise, longevity is provided a rational person will look for a more ways to better themselves instead of holding one world view till they die, such is a suicidal existence when life is not embraced. Such was the case with ToZ when it was started by Lady Pythia, the spiritual development of the world was at an all time low and her efforts through the darkness provided opportunities to better oneself. As people got more knowledgeable and connected with the Gods. newer knowledge some of which contradicted the previous knowledge was shared this was viewed as a threat and disrespect to the very person who got you started on the path. This is far from the Truth. Lady Pythia herself embraced learning and would frequently learn about everything she could get her hands on. She was the first to research and present newer knowledge no matter how much it would have hurt her own credibility.

What you wish for is an unchangeable past which is perfect based on which you can justify your present and the future, such is not possible in any living being. Change and growth happens constantly. If you don't grow positively everyday you start spiraling downwards into negativity. Its time you start taking ownership for yourself before the Gods and start making changes rather than bicker about the past being perfect. There is a possibility in 20 years what we know now will not hold as much ground or relevance in the future world and such a fate should be recognized and worked upon

I request you to focus only on your spiritual development for some years now and stop focusing on things that don't move you forward spiritually
Many blessings, stay blessed

How is any of this relevant to the point? No one is diminishing anyone's work. The points I stated remain. Why are you acting like anyone is being victimised?

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

I am fully aligned with the Temple being completely seperated from politics. My question was about the nature of this "just ask the Gods" question, and why it failed at that time. Seperation from all and explicitly stating one is completely unfit are different things. It's said before, that "Zevism inevitably leads back to the same source", referencing this ideology <----- OUTDATED
So now, it has been explicitly stated that this ideology is completely unfit. I have no issue with this, it's just that, when this outdated statement has been made, at that time, if one were to ask the Gods, would they be told that what has been said is wrong?

The whole group was mistaken, not just a small part of it. This was under a deleted sermon from 2022, and some beliefs were the common denominator here at that time. At that time, almost everyone perceived "I asked my guardian and got a positive answer", on that thread as an authoritative source on the topic. No one questioned whether that person might have been mistaken or misunderstood the message.

In a way, the validity of "asking the Gods" and sharing the response in the temple boils down to the majority belief at a given time. If, at that time, a person said they received a message from their guardian saying that the X ideology was completely incompatible with the theology of the gods, it's obvious that the person would be called names. At the very least, people would call this member delusional, claiming that what he received as a sign or message was wrong. But he said that when he asked the Gods, they noded, no one questioned.

However, one might argue that we have evolved so much that from now on there will never be any more cases like this. Therefore, asking the Gods, or asking members to ask the Gods and referencing their answer here as a valid source of authority, biggest one at that, will never cause any misunderstandings.

Definitely a possibility.

You get it. Telling people to ask the Gods or they suck is just a get out of logic card for most people to be dogmatic and avoid uncomfortable topics. It's being overused.

Ten years ago people were being told that when they asked questions. Now we find out much of what was believed was wrong. And people are still telling me that as if I don't indulge in all our practices daily.