What Now

[DiscipleofEshmun]

The gravity of the recent updates is just hitting me now. I appreciate clergy for everything that has been updated but I'm still confused on many topics. I don't understand why the Gods would allow people like High Priestess Pythia to teach us all that if it was false, allowing websites to be created and maintained, endless sermons and apparently directly teaching as she quoted them many times.

I also don't like the disrespect I'm seeing from current clergy towards her or other heroes of our past.

I appreciate everything being done, regardless of the above. Though I have to admit politics remains very relevant especially for those of us living in the west. I don't believe in hating anyone over their ethnicity but unfortunately the race topic will be very major for decades to come and I believe many even here are caught up in nations and situations where they can't escape it.

I'll just pull back a bit and focus on ritual schedules, the new meditations and spiritual information shared, and donations whenever I'm able to. Once I have processed everything new and I'm mentally in a better place I'll be able to be more active regularly on the forums. I hope everyone is enjoying the ritual schedule, it is a most beautiful one.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

The gravity of the recent updates is just hitting me now. I appreciate clergy for everything that has been updated but I'm still confused on many topics. I don't understand why the Gods would allow people like High Priestess Pythia to teach us all that if it was false, allowing websites to be created and maintained, endless sermons and apparently directly teaching as she quoted them many times.

I also don't like the disrespect I'm seeing from current clergy towards her or other heroes of our past.

I appreciate everything being done, regardless of the above. Though I have to admit politics remains very relevant especially for those of us living in the west. I don't believe in hating anyone over their ethnicity but unfortunately the race topic will be very major for decades to come and I believe many even here are caught up in nations and situations where they can't escape it.

I'll just pull back a bit and focus on ritual schedules, the new meditations and spiritual information shared, and donations whenever I'm able to. Once I have processed everything new and I'm mentally in a better place I'll be able to be more active regularly on the forums. I hope everyone is enjoying the ritual schedule, it is a most beautiful one.

Don't worry as time goes and everything comes together it will make total sense. Give it time.

1. This was definitely not her fault. She genuinely did more than she could, or anyone would have done in her position and with the times this occurred.

We all receive our inputs and we follow them. The situation is that these inputs, are limited to the access of information one has and other factors. To go over this and move forward is not disrespect, if she was being disrespected we would not be evolving out of the basis of birth she provided. She is loved and respected immensely and as I have stated, this is unchangeable.

The past can also by accident disrespect the future, when for example, it unwittingly creates detrimental prospects for the future. Many parents love their children, but times change and aeons change.

2. Main change is moving past politics and expanding and founding everything on top of the literal core knowledge of the Gods again, in full. This is the promise of restoration and aim of restoration manifested.

3. Politics still exist in life and one can hold their opinion etc. In the meantime the Temple of Zeus cannot follow politics as politics are always clashes based and interest based [all these different approaches clash and create constant division between people]. Inside the Temple this cannot occur.

4. Legal penalties that outweight any and all positive things, and are based on inaccurate information, are both a loss, an impediment, and give nothing for the progress of the Temple or the divine evolution of people. You don't play football inside a hospital, and you don't practice fireworks in an art gallery.

5. On the spiritual domain yes, a lot of knowledge was incomplete and has evolved considerably.

 

[Emergent13]

Any Heroic figure would want us to move on, to not stay stuck in the past, to expand into what is best for the well-being and growth of our community.

I do completely agree with this. If we are ascribing divinity to any of our past heroes, believing and being told for decades that they have been walking with the Gods, receiving their constant aid to fight against those who try to defame our Gods and tried to bring Izfet to this world. The conclusion that they would only want the best for our community and expansion of our religion is a very rational and naturally occurring one.

Now, but I want to ask something. I have also, if I didn't misinterpreted it, seen some of our past heroes being mocked on VT platform. It is satirically and in a mocking tone been said that this person had only knew a few runes, and "such spiritually divine person he is." So, when I go with logic, as I am told that this particular person was a divine Pharaoh in his past life, and as I am told that our meditations and spiritual advancement all pass to our next incarnation (mostly, at least), why is this person being mocked in this regard?

Some members also asked what this person, who HPZM, the Clergy, and almost all members here have shouted countless happy birthdays for decades (and I even remember HPZM calling him "Son of Lucifer", literally or not), did for the Temple of Zeus?

Well, his very existence fueled every single spiritual warfare program, which were direly needed at that time and were very effective.

So, is it wrong if I feel bad and even a little bit disgusted when I see a person who did great deeds for humanity against the forces of Izfet, that we all celebrated, cherished, and motivated by for decades gets defamed and mocked?

Isn't this literally being spineless? I am sorry if my words aren't appropriate, but I am just expressing my genuine feelings, which I think are very reasonable.

This mocking and, in my opinion, undeserving statements might have been said in a moment of heat, because there were many fanatical people who were completely blind to what is trying to be accomplished (I also don't claim complete understanding, obviously), and also very hostile.

But is this an excuse to defame our past heroes and undermine what they have accomplished, and also what was their possible future vision, if they could continue their struggle?

Well, from now on the Temple is not the place to discuss these what ifs regarding politics which is absolutely fine and well.

And I want to emphasize here, again, so that I won't be mistaken or assumed as someone who is a rebel, or a fanatic, or an "idol worshipper."

I am very happy about the new liturgical terms. Since Yehubor encompasses all, I feel more awake and intellectualized, as this broader understanding allows you to detect and define every force of Izfet with much great precision.

Our severance from politics is also undoubtedly beneficial for our Temple. What was it before, I think, was very necessary at the time but if we are aiming to expand and bring back our Gods to their rightful glory, being stuck with politics wouldn't make our organization divine. I think severing ourselves from politics gives us much weight and seriousness. Which what befits this place.

Yes, we might have overemphasized political stuff before. We don't hide this, nor do we need to hide it. I think it was very much needed at that time, and without it, I think many members you see here might not be here. People often times found solace in this place, as this was only the place on the internet that allowed them to discuss some of these "controversial" and heavily censored topics freely with SOUND and REASONABLE people. Not with some basement dwellers and spiteful, life-hating losers.

Now, we are past this. It doesn't serve us anymore. We want to expand to real life instead of dwelling in the corners of the internet, and most importantly, our comprehension is now simply much greater.

I am completely in line with all these aspirations; I also carry them deeply. Particularly in this post, I wouldn't want to be seen as emotional, but I want to admit that I hate the idea of how many people visit the "ruins" of the Temples of our Gods, and they just pass by like it's nothing. I so deeply desire that all of the so called ruins around all the world will one day get rebuilt and revered for what they are.

Hope I was able to express myself clearly and show where I stand in my understanding and convictions.

I think it's one thing to sever ourselves from politics, and also admit some flawed and lacking understanding of our past. And stop talking about political figures from now on.

It's another thing to mock a past hero with as far as I see not very reasonable sounding statements.

And again, if I don't know something regarding this, if anything about this that we were told was also wrong, I would love to get explained these things so I can adjust my understanding.

Until then, I find it very spineless and dishonorable to mock someone who walked with the Gods and was a common denominator for decades and rightfully so, at the time.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

I do completely agree with this. If we are ascribing divinity to any of our past heroes, believing and being told for decades that they have been walking with the Gods, receiving their constant aid to fight against those who try to defame our Gods and tried to bring Izfet to this world. The conclusion that they would only want the best for our community and expansion of our religion is a very rational and naturally occurring one.

Now, but I want to ask something. I have also, if I didn't misinterpreted it, seen some of our past heroes being mocked on VT platform. It is satirically and in a mocking tone been said that this person had only knew a few runes, and "such spiritually divine person he is." So, when I go with logic, as I am told that this particular person was a divine Pharaoh in his past life, and as I am told that our meditations and spiritual advancement all pass to our next incarnation (mostly, at least), why is this person being mocked in this regard?

Some members also asked what this person, who HPZM, the Clergy, and almost all members here have shouted countless happy birthdays for decades (and I even remember HPZM calling him "Son of Lucifer", literally or not), did for the Temple of Zeus?

Well, his very existence fueled every single spiritual warfare program, which were direly needed at that time and were very effective.

So, is it wrong if I feel bad and even a little bit disgusted when I see a person who did great deeds for humanity against the forces of Izfet, that we all celebrated, cherished, and motivated by for decades gets defamed and mocked?

Isn't this literally being spineless? I am sorry if my words aren't appropriate, but I am just expressing my genuine feelings, which I think are very reasonable.

This mocking and, in my opinion, undeserving statements might have been said in a moment of heat, because there were many fanatical people who were completely blind to what is trying to be accomplished (I also don't claim complete understanding, obviously), and also very hostile.

But is this an excuse to defame our past heroes and undermine what they have accomplished, and also what was their possible future vision, if they could continue their struggle?

Well, from now on the Temple is not the place to discuss these what ifs regarding politics which is absolutely fine and well.

And I want to emphasize here, again, so that I won't be mistaken or assumed as someone who is a rebel, or a fanatic, or an "idol worshipper."

I am very happy about the new liturgical terms. Since Yehubor encompasses all, I feel more awake and intellectualized, as this broader understanding allows you to detect and define every force of Izfet with much great precision.

Our severance from politics is also undoubtedly beneficial for our Temple. What was it before, I think, was very necessary at the time but if we are aiming to expand and bring back our Gods to their rightful glory, being stuck with politics wouldn't make our organization divine. I think severing ourselves from politics gives us much weight and seriousness. Which what befits this place.

Yes, we might have overemphasized political stuff before. We don't hide this, nor do we need to hide it. I think it was very much needed at that time, and without it, I think many members you see here might not be here. People often times found solace in this place, as this was only the place on the internet that allowed them to discuss some of these "controversial" and heavily censored topics freely with SOUND and REASONABLE people. Not with some basement dwellers and spiteful, life-hating losers.

Now, we are past this. It doesn't serve us anymore. We want to expand to real life instead of dwelling in the corners of the internet, and most importantly, our comprehension is now simply much greater.

I am completely in line with all these aspirations; I also carry them deeply. Particularly in this post, I wouldn't want to be seen as emotional, but I want to admit that I hate the idea of how many people visit the "ruins" of the Temples of our Gods, and they just pass by like it's nothing. I so deeply desire that all of the so called ruins around all the world will one day get rebuilt and revered for what they are.

Hope I was able to express myself clearly and show where I stand in my understanding and convictions.

I think it's one thing to sever ourselves from politics, and also admit some flawed and lacking understanding of our past. And stop talking about political figures from now on.

It's another thing to mock a past hero with as far as I see not very reasonable sounding statements.

And again, if I don't know something regarding this, if anything about this that we were told was also wrong, I would love to get explained these things so I can adjust my understanding.

Until then, I find it very spineless and dishonorable to mock someone who walked with the Gods and was a common denominator for decades and rightfully so, at the time.

Couldn't have worded it better.

 

[Menis Therian]

3. Politics still exist in life and one can hold their opinion etc. In the meantime the Temple of Zeus cannot follow politics as politics are always clashes based and interest based [all these different approaches clash and create constant division between people]. Inside the Temple this cannot occur.

4. Legal penalties that outweight any and all positive things, and are based on inaccurate information, are both a loss, an impediment, and give nothing for the progress of the Temple or the divine evolution of people. You don't play football inside a hospital, and you don't practice fireworks in an art gallery.

Ironically, politics are mainly what brought many high-quality people together to help create the temple of Zeus. I think it is a mistake to bury history and politics, letting a gap of explanation about the world around us. Politics helped to contextualize our pagan beliefs in a more modern context and made them more approachable in a way. However, I don't know how much of what HP Pythia wrote was inaccurate/wrong because these things were buried and no one from the clergy will want to explain this. This is sad.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that the ToZ is passing through an important evolution in terms of spiritual and individual development, which is good. However, one reason why I don't agree with denying history and politics in a religious perspective is that the Gods themselves work in political structure and probably have a great history to tell about themselves. Even the some great Greek personalities, who are praised by the temple, discussed politics in philosophical detail. However, I also believe that this denial of history/politics will be reverted as the world will overthrow the Yehuborim doctrines as time passes, as it is clear that the clergy fears backlash from the enemy systems, especially with WW3 potentially approaching (this is my guess based on commentaries I have read so far).

I know that my opinion will not change anyone's mind, as this effort is too big to turn back (at least for now). But maybe I am planting a seed in the mind of the (future) clergy, who knows? I just hope that the ToZ doesn't become a failed experiment like the Freemasonry. If it does, we already know where its downfall began.

I'll miss the great HP who did not fear for stating his political opinions with a religious touch, even when I did not agree with him. He was awesome and made my day many times. He is still awesome in many ways, but different...

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

Ironically, politics are mainly what brought many high-quality people together to help create the temple of Zeus. I think it is a mistake to bury history and politics, letting a gap of explanation about the world around us. Politics helped to contextualize our pagan beliefs in a more modern context and made them more approachable in a way. However, I don't know how much of what HP Pythia wrote was inaccurate/wrong because these things were buried and no one from the clergy will want to explain this. This is sad.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that the ToZ is passing through an important evolution in terms of spiritual and individual development, which is good. However, one reason why I don't agree with denying history and politics in a religious perspective is that the Gods themselves work in political structure and probably have a great history to tell about themselves. Even the some great Greek personalities, who are praised by the temple, discussed politics in philosophical detail. However, I also believe that this denial of history/politics will be reverted as the world will overthrow the Yehuborim doctrines as time passes, as it is clear that the clergy fears backlash from the enemy systems, especially with WW3 potentially approaching (this is my guess based on commentaries I have read so far).

I know that my opinion will not change anyone's mind, as this effort is too big to turn back (at least for now). But maybe I am planting a seed in the mind of the (future) clergy, who knows? I just hope that the ToZ doesn't become a failed experiment like the Freemasonry. If it does, we already know where its downfall began.

I'll miss the great HP who did not fear for stating his political opinions with a religious touch, even when I did not agree with him. He was awesome and made my day many times. He is still awesome in many ways, but different...

Well put. I do believe it is critical the temple never has a religious stand. You can't put Zeus under a flag or doctrine.

At the same time, the Gods do participate in all human affairs. They were behind Alexander and many other great figures in power over the millennia.

 

[Impetigo]

The gravity of the recent updates is just hitting me now. I appreciate clergy for everything that has been updated but I'm still confused on many topics. I don't understand why the Gods would allow people like High Priestess Pythia to teach us all that if it was false, allowing websites to be created and maintained, endless sermons and apparently directly teaching as she quoted them many times.

I also don't like the disrespect I'm seeing from current clergy towards her or other heroes of our past.

I appreciate everything being done, regardless of the above. Though I have to admit politics remains very relevant especially for those of us living in the west. I don't believe in hating anyone over their ethnicity but unfortunately the race topic will be very major for decades to come and I believe many even here are caught up in nations and situations where they can't escape it.

I'll just pull back a bit and focus on ritual schedules, the new meditations and spiritual information shared, and donations whenever I'm able to. Once I have processed everything new and I'm mentally in a better place I'll be able to be more active regularly on the forums. I hope everyone is enjoying the ritual schedule, it is a most beautiful one.

I read this thread the other day and wanted to speak my voice - an epiphany I just had on the subject of whether or not any of the past teachings were "false." I know it has been addressed already, but I wanted to contribute something:

I cannot know right now everything that was changed from the past information we used to agree on here. One thing I can address though is the subject of the J word, and any other teaching that was changed that what I'm about to say applies to:

These things were not really "false," but they have been developed further now - we understand it in a deeper way. There was significant truth there but now we can see further. If we think of truth like a path being created, then they were the furthest we had developed the road/path at the time. All knowledge grows in this way. As time progresses things get more and more complex (in the sense that they change in SOME way - there is SOME activity, SOME movement in everything). Our awareness has collectively become more complex, and this is probably part of some cycle going on in the universe or the realm we inhabit. And now we are here, I suppose. The energy encompassed by that group is what they/we were really trying to point out, and we used the words we knew how to. The same way that the Jinn were described as "smokeless fire," because fire was the best word they had to describe the likely ethereal visual appearance that was observed. People that belong to that group do seem to be a part of major sorceries that are manifesting more of the Yehuborim energy (or energies), I suppose that's where the politics of mentioning the name of that certain nation and nationality came about from.

Maybe this issue has already been resolved to everyone here's satisfaction, but the epiphany I had led me to think of what I read in this thread, and to want to offer these words here, even if they have to wait for someone in the future to find them and make use of them.

 

[SSwarrior]

I think when you look at politics it is way more complex. What is needed/works one place doesn't in another. ToZ can't be restricted like it.

1000s of years ago they didn't have the same political issues like now but still followed the same spiritual path we are. It makes sense not to bind it to a evolving/restricted sphere.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Ironically, politics are mainly what brought many high-quality people together to help create the temple of Zeus.

Do kindly let me know a few things more on this, rather than this projection, after 17 years into this.

This is also a major inaccuracy. It is the opposite.

In fact, politics oriented people were among the most traitorous, most mindwashed, most "puritanistic" and most argumentative, while also combining the following: Least amount of contribution, least amount of work, least amount of community quality, and least amount of objective care for the Gods. They prioritized their political jargon over the Gods and merely wanted to enforce the adaptation of the Gods to their political standard.

Their arguments were not "Is this the work of the Gods? What is the work of the Gods?". It was bullshit; they didn't care about the Runes, they cared about if a specific party used them. They didn't care about the whole framing of the whole culture and when it contradicted their political ops, they attacked; in many cases, worse in slander than Israelis themselves or purported "enemies of the Gods".

The people who were obsessed with politics, most of the time, were nowhere in any integral help for the Temple at any rate. In their minds Gods were second or byproducts of shilling politics; they were not a primary source of wisdom but a glove for their 85 IQ dead ideologies.

Generally, they were just passer-by's who didn't do much if anything for the Temple. I can't recall a single politics obsessed case that has done more than anything for the Temple; and I mean objectively, not in their imaginative masturbation.

Only the people of the Gods who were first obsessed with the Gods, actually did help in anything. They are the category a Temple should be preserving; the people of the Temple and not the people of the "party".

Politics-focused types were most of the time the very lazy, very disconnected and very argumentative, brash and pointless types to have around. They believed in politicians first and the Gods second; which is a total blasphemy to the Gods and a total blasphemy to intelligence itself.

They were also those who also carried with them the division undertones, legal issue and perception dangers brought upon themselves and/or scrutiny, the empty statements that could be penaltizing for everyone but first and foremost themselves. Maximum aggression and toxic posting was most of the time done by them. They never were stable members either, showing only on random intervals for arguments, empty criticism and some brainwashed politics posting.

Their best "giving" to the Temple was just huge political nonsense about dead parties, random FEDposting in extreme cases [these were not approved], attacking people for literally no reason and disciples of the Gods, and in cases of "racial purists" it was just whinning and then going back to being cave-trolls that live in the 21st century but pretend they are in the previous one.

HPS Pythia in private correspondence with me, has commented plenty of these types, and I would not like to extend it a lot, but I will just say she was not fond of the politicization related things either.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

Ironically, politics are mainly what brought many high-quality people together to help create the temple of Zeus.

Politics almost prevented me from joining.

 

[Eudora]

I understand your opinion on this. In fact, I will not very much having to constrain myself in politics, being it that it is an art of division and not really enlightenment. It's like you have to explain 100% things in 10% form; just because of temporal restrictions in the minds of those of politics. This disallows expression, it's like a minefield of the mind and a very ignorant place.

Politics will bias my work, limit my output, endanger every task [either way, left or right wing and these conceptions, always wrong someone]. As a person devoted to Zeus and the Gods, I cannot be devotional over any political figure [past, present or future]. This doesn't mean one cannot recognize their merits, but politics is the restraining faculty that you have to abide by laws that will always come and go.

The job of Clergy and the Temple is to keep people connected to Eternal Constants and we should touch reality through permanent reality, not the fluidity of who fought what and who might win or lose. Whomever wins or loses, whatever goes on earth, the Gods are always the same eternal constant.

If a Clergy of the Gods is serving politicians and just coddling them, they are not Clergy. They are cowards afraid by those who hold political offices. The one who holds the office here is Zeus the Most High and nobody else and the Gods. This is the office I recognize. Any other recognition is out of respect, but only for those who truly engage in the art of running society, and not the art of ruining society.

Politicians they are people of the temporal and followers who say "Zeus shall be restricted in the opinion of this measly meatbag politician because he has influence right now (and will likely fall apart after some decades or earlier who knows)." - They are so arrogant that they want to limit, endanger, or force even the succumbing of the Gods to their political drivel. That's unacceptable.

Any Priest of the Gods who would accept this clearly has not seen the power of the Gods, in the face of which, these people are just dust.

If politics returns to anything but serving Izfet and Yehuborim I will be very glad to engage, participate and do my earnest to support Theophoric traits and the cultivation of Ma'at's law via politics.

Until the day where Epstein walks free and the Politicians carpet bomb civilians without recourse for the written works of Yehuborim, we don't have actual politics on planet earth. It's just a religious Yehuboric shitshow, covered only by the falsehood that it's politics. It's not even politics what these people do; politics would require reason.

Politicians now are serving lobbies not of the people that elected them, start wars for pseudo religious reasons, just so they can short stocks for oil, serve Izfet to cover for pedophiles and excrement of the earth, I am out of this sphere.

They can burn their own souls alone; I require no participation, because I don't fear the opinions of any of them, but rather I fear Zeus's judgement that will befall the deceived ones that do these things.

There is nothing to converse about USA politics and related Western politics right now. Europe is just a bunch of old women who don't know left from right and cannot understand AI but legislate for it, and USA is just a lobby of boomers who carpet bomb for Israel's benefits because crazy Messianic Yehuborim tell them to carpet bomb.

Look, what I'm about to tell you isn't easy to say, but I think it's necessary. My father, who comes from a politically influential family, sat down with me one day and opened my eyes. Not with anger, but with a profound sadness, like someone finally letting go of a truth that has weighed heavily on them for years.

He confessed to me that, deep down, that world that seems so bright from the outside is utterly rotten. He told me that his uncles, cousins, and close associates have turned power into a dirty tool. They only use it for their own personal gain: rigged contracts, favors among themselves, absolute indifference toward the people they should be protecting.

"It's a lineage," he told me, "but I swear I abhor what they do with that name."

What hurts him most isn't what people will say, but the shame of knowing that his own people, his own blood relatives, are capable of wielding power under any pretext, without scruples, just to feed their own egos. And the worst part: while they line their pockets and feel untouchable, the people of the town are left hurt, forgotten, trampled underfoot.

My dad told me with that same sadness: "It hurts to say it, but it takes courage to accept that your own people are on the wrong side." And since that day, I understand that sometimes recognizing the rot, even if it comes from your own blood, is the first step to not repeating it.

The High Priest is absolutely right about this.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Knowledge is a journey. For a new conclusion to be made, older facts are used. Anything older by the Clergy served its purpose at the time, and also serves until it can be updated when the time is right.

People are attached to the past for emotional reasons, but what good does it do for you now? Seriously? Explain what benefit you are gaining by cherishing these old ideas or people.

For all that is missed, how exactly is it is helping you in this current moment? If you are not losing some useful tool in your day, some mechanism that advances your life, then what did you truly lose?

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Politics did not give us a Mars Square to conquer life. Our ancestors did not give us the ritual of Renenutet to make you rich. These are tools which came from the Temple and the Clergy in the present moment.

 

[Tethys333]

A few days ago, I was talking with a God about the beginning of my spiritual path. One thing I remembered was that, while reading the old JoS library, I felt very constrained by the idea of making a dedication because of politics.
Deep down, I knew I would have to make a significant commitment.
Politics is never good; in some ways, it will always create war, whether with weapons or with words, and it will always bring hatred.
But if our goal is to eliminate it, what’s the point of being one of the many architects of hatred?
I know there are many people connected to the old site, but look at everything with a different perspective.
When people ask me for advice, I always point them first toward the enemy’s liturgical terms, because it is by knowing how it is made and what it causes that we can fight it.
Think about it: how can you cure a disease if you don’t actually know what the disease is? It’s the same thing.
People need love, peace, harmony, and light, all the things that these changes can bring, that the Gods can bring.
Religion, as such, is about growth and a relationship with the divine, what need is there for politics? All of us here can enter the forums or VT with the understanding that no one will argue with anyone else for political reasons. We are all aware that it would only lead to chaos.

The energy at ToZ, I assure you, isn’t what it once was. No matter how much of a spirit of change there was, the atmosphere wasn’t as pure or as powerful as it is now.
I’m glad that many people, even though they can’t grasp the changes right away, are still willing to make the effort to understand, that’s the spirit we need in people.

We do not deny the past, that much is certain, but only by moving forward and making progress can we bring about immense change. Lady Pythia was a great heroine, and no one will ever stop thanking and loving her for what she did for ToZ and for the Gods. But it is time to move forward, with everything that lies ahead of us. For the Gods and for humanity.

 

[PeacockJera]

The politics of the original beliefs was originally holding me back significantly, i can fully believe in the gods with no reservations but the physical manifestation of division we were internalizing i personally felt to be a poison and i found it increasingly difficult to reconcile myself with and im very glad we're able to collectively move past it into a much more positive and constructive way.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

Well put. I do believe it is critical the temple never has a religious stand. You can't put Zeus under a flag or doctrine.

Well ed

I understand your opinion on this. In fact, I will not very much having to constrain myself in politics, being it that it is an art of division and not really enlightenment. It's like you have to explain 100% things in 10% form; just because of temporal restrictions in the minds of those of politics. This disallows expression, it's like a minefield of the mind and a very ignorant place.

Politics will bias my work, limit my output, endanger every task [either way, left or right wing and these conceptions, always wrong someone]. As a person devoted to Zeus and the Gods, I cannot be devotional over any political figure [past, present or future]. This doesn't mean one cannot recognize their merits, but politics is the restraining faculty that you have to abide by laws that will always come and go.

The job of Clergy and the Temple is to keep people connected to Eternal Constants and we should touch reality through permanent reality, not the fluidity of who fought what and who might win or lose. Whomever wins or loses, whatever goes on earth, the Gods are always the same eternal constant.

If a Clergy of the Gods is serving politicians and just coddling them, they are not Clergy. They are cowards afraid by those who hold political offices. The one who holds the office here is Zeus the Most High and nobody else and the Gods. This is the office I recognize. Any other recognition is out of respect, but only for those who truly engage in the art of running society, and not the art of ruining society.

Politicians they are people of the temporal and followers who say "Zeus shall be restricted in the opinion of this measly meatbag politician because he has influence right now (and will likely fall apart after some decades or earlier who knows)." - They are so arrogant that they want to limit, endanger, or force even the succumbing of the Gods to their political drivel. That's unacceptable.

Any Priest of the Gods who would accept this clearly has not seen the power of the Gods, in the face of which, these people are just dust.

If politics returns to anything but serving Izfet and Yehuborim I will be very glad to engage, participate and do my earnest to support Theophoric traits and the cultivation of Ma'at's law via politics.

Until the day where Epstein walks free and the Politicians carpet bomb civilians without recourse for the written works of Yehuborim, we don't have actual politics on planet earth. It's just a religious Yehuboric shitshow, covered only by the falsehood that it's politics. It's not even politics what these people do; politics would require reason.

Politicians now are serving lobbies not of the people that elected them, start wars for pseudo religious reasons, just so they can short stocks for oil, serve Izfet to cover for pedophiles and excrement of the earth, I am out of this sphere.

They can burn their own souls alone; I require no participation, because I don't fear the opinions of any of them, but rather I fear Zeus's judgement that will befall the deceived ones that do these things.

There is nothing to converse about USA politics and related Western politics right now. Europe is just a bunch of old women who don't know left from right and cannot understand AI but legislate for it, and USA is just a lobby of boomers who carpet bomb for Israel's benefits because crazy Messianic Yehuborim tell them to carpet bomb.

Beautifully explained, thank you.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Do kindly let me know a few things more on this, rather than this projection, after 17 years into this.

This is also a major inaccuracy. It is the opposite.

In fact, politics oriented people were among the most traitorous, most mindwashed, most "puritanistic" and most argumentative, while also combining the following: Least amount of contribution, least amount of work, least amount of community quality, and least amount of objective care for the Gods. They prioritized their political jargon over the Gods and merely wanted to enforce the adaptation of the Gods to their political standard.

Their arguments were not "Is this the work of the Gods? What is the work of the Gods?". It was bullshit; they didn't care about the Runes, they cared about if a specific party used them. They didn't care about the whole framing of the whole culture and when it contradicted their political ops, they attacked; in many cases, worse in slander than Israelis themselves or purported "enemies of the Gods".

The people who were obsessed with politics, most of the time, were nowhere in any integral help for the Temple at any rate. In their minds Gods were second or byproducts of shilling politics; they were not a primary source of wisdom but a glove for their 85 IQ dead ideologies.

Generally, they were just passer-by's who didn't do much if anything for the Temple. I can't recall a single politics obsessed case that has done more than anything for the Temple; and I mean objectively, not in their imaginative masturbation.

Only the people of the Gods who were first obsessed with the Gods, actually did help in anything. They are the category a Temple should be preserving; the people of the Temple and not the people of the "party".

Politics-focused types were most of the time the very lazy, very disconnected and very argumentative, brash and pointless types to have around. They believed in politicians first and the Gods second; which is a total blasphemy to the Gods and a total blasphemy to intelligence itself.

They were also those who also carried with them the division undertones, legal issue and perception dangers brought upon themselves and/or scrutiny, the empty statements that could be penaltizing for everyone but first and foremost themselves. Maximum aggression and toxic posting was most of the time done by them. They never were stable members either, showing only on random intervals for arguments, empty criticism and some brainwashed politics posting.

Their best "giving" to the Temple was just huge political nonsense about dead parties, random FEDposting in extreme cases [these were not approved], attacking people for literally no reason and disciples of the Gods, and in cases of "racial purists" it was just whinning and then going back to being cave-trolls that live in the 21st century but pretend they are in the previous one.

HPS Pythia in private correspondence with me, has commented plenty of these types, and I would not like to extend it a lot, but I will just say she was not fond of the politicization related things either.

I vividly recall HPS Pythia always mentioning that we should focus on strengthening our bonds with the Gods and staying as close to them as possible, and that we should stay away from all political currents that only cause division.

 

[SSwarrior]

I used to watch the new and be more interested in politics I would say 10 years ago but now I dislike it so much. They are all the same. It is exhausting seeing how they talk it is all about getting in power again, killing someone etc.
When was the last time they honestly wanted to do something to help the people of the country they govern?

I'm glad we are moving past it. Being off the form for a few months coming back and it feels happier and positive.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

I vividly recall HPS Pythia always mentioning that we should focus on strengthening our bonds with the Gods and staying as close to them as possible, and that we should stay away from all political currents that only cause division.

While I wasn't here in that era, yes, I see very little "blanket racial hatred" (except of statements which can be interpreted as generalizing, but were clearly about Judaism as a religion and specific figures doing heinous crimes).
I also, as well, did not see the level of political shilling from HPS Pythia that some "members" nowadays think existed.

I see a lot of focus on building instead of merely opposing, I read about warnings to not engage in pointless violence, I see condemnation of movements that advocated for extremism like O9A.

I have a hunch that a lot of the pointless extremist circle jerking came from "characters" in the Ministry that did some contributions at a time where standards were lower, that were rightfully deposed of their titles.
Just a hunch.

 

[Emergent13]

People are attached to the past for emotional reasons, but what good does it do for you now? Seriously? Explain what benefit you are gaining by cherishing these old ideas or people.

In my reply, I clearly showed that I'm not stuck in the past. I'm not bothered by the fact that we no longer cherish old figures. What raised concerns for me is the dishonest and spineless behavior of mocking and defaming someone whom has been a common denominator for decades.

It's one thing to stop engaging with these things; it's another to make remarks that suggest that they were irrelevant.

If someone who got cherished for decades gets defamed just after one update, that tells a lot about some members, just as the same way how fanatics who put some politicians before the Gods and decided to leave our Temple, most of the time while being hostile as well, tells about them.

 

[BigBeaver]

Look, what I'm about to tell you isn't easy to say, but I think it's necessary. My father, who comes from a politically influential family, sat down with me one day and opened my eyes. Not with anger, but with a profound sadness, like someone finally letting go of a truth that has weighed heavily on them for years.

He confessed to me that, deep down, that world that seems so bright from the outside is utterly rotten. He told me that his uncles, cousins, and close associates have turned power into a dirty tool. They only use it for their own personal gain: rigged contracts, favors among themselves, absolute indifference toward the people they should be protecting.

"It's a lineage," he told me, "but I swear I abhor what they do with that name."

What hurts him most isn't what people will say, but the shame of knowing that his own people, his own blood relatives, are capable of wielding power under any pretext, without scruples, just to feed their own egos. And the worst part: while they line their pockets and feel untouchable, the people of the town are left hurt, forgotten, trampled underfoot.

My dad told me with that same sadness: "It hurts to say it, but it takes courage to accept that your own people are on the wrong side." And since that day, I understand that sometimes recognizing the rot, even if it comes from your own blood, is the first step to not repeating it.

The High Priest is absolutely right about this.

Not only that, the sad part is you can't really change it, like... from personal experience and from others that I know, you gotta have some nerves of steel, politics are like a magnet for ass kissers, narcissists and sociopaths, I don't know how but it always attract the most shitty people, I swear I wanted to strangle my colleagues so many times.... And if you're starting your own... good luck gaining popularity and always needing to verify for scumbags who want to infiltrate or use your own resources for their own gains, most good people quit really fast and while only the ghouls remain.