I have a urgent question for the clergy about Miguel Serrano

[Apprentice]

Ok, sorry I made mistake. I respect High Priest and his work, but automatic censorship made me angry.

"Freedom of expression" works between respectful, responsible, aspiring Human Beings. Controlling one's emotions and expressions is an integral part of being one.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Is it true that figure of the past is a god?(I hope I didn't misunderstand anything...)and was Holocaust real(I kinda feel weird about it.)?

No. The holocaust was not as advertised, much exaggerated but it is false to say "it did not happened".

 

[Wotanwarrior]

I've thought for some time that the biggest mistake esotericists like Julius Evola made was focusing too much on politics and not getting close enough to the Gods and delving deeper into spiritual knowledge.

Guido von List is the opposite example of how he avoided getting involved in politics and dedicated himself more deeply to the study of runes and spirituality, and that's why he deserves to be in the Zevists personalities section.

 

[Deep Darkness]

I have halfway read Lightning and Sun by Savitri Devi. The main point of book was that there are leaders who are against time, for example Genghis Khan, who are chaotic conquerors. And there are leaders who are above the time, Akhenaten in this book, who are more stoic. figure of the past was in Devi's opinion both against and above time. In general I agree with such classification. Obviously Akhenaten wasn't good example, because he was removing original gods and replacing them with so called Yehiborim monotheistic spirit. But yeah, I think that in general world needs different types of leaders-conquerors and builders.

But yes, this Devi writing wasn't "spiritual". I would like to call it more to political and historical philosophy.

 

[Emergent13]

Why didn’t the Gods tell Pythia that she was basing her beliefs on the wrong things?

High Priest already gave an answer, but I just want to make a small remark, coming from someone who is a beginner on the path and only using my logic and intuition here.

Does it occur to you that maybe the more radical approach (Corrupted Beings, greys, Aryan race, etc.) and beliefs were at that time could be necessary? People had no knowledge, and when you are out of any substance that sustains you, i.e., spirituality, a higher purpose, a worthy god to worship, and so on, it's in a way instinctive to try to look up for something to hate, be more radical, and spiteful. Now, the thing is the vast amount of sustenance we received after 20 years of research by the Clergy and all worthy members, and the Gods blessing us, we are evolving from past error and lesser understanding.

At that time, the radical approach was necessary to bring people to here, in my opinion. When you say to people that there are corrupted being aliens walking among us and causing havoc, and actively trying to enslave us, this is obviously more attention gathering, provocative, and alerting, and therefore, at that time, was the right thing.

Same with Zeus being an extraterrestrial and having an age, acquiring the Godhead himself at one point, just like how this is the goal of every serious Zevist here, this humanization of him I think was very beneficial at that time because it feels like he is just a few galaxies away from you, he is very close to you and he shares the same emotions with you and is very relatable. Many sermons also vividly explain how the Gods are so angry at the enemy that they will go to annihilate them like no one can dream of, that they share your anger and frustration to what is being inflicted to mankind. So, all of this was very necessary in my opinion. If Lady Pythia were to tell at that time that Zeus is not just only a being with a material body, but encompasses all the universe, %80 of people who actually joined to ToZ at that time (just a number that my intuition tells me) wouldn't join. Because humanity simply wasn't ready for that, not even remotely.

People were in dire need of a worthy God who fought on their behalf at that time. With Lady Pythia, they received this.
They also needed an enemy to sustain them so they can have a clear goal and aim; this was also necessary, even if it was not all encompassing as it is now.

I admit that the humanization of the Gods to a certain degree is very sweet and heart-warming, and at that time, this was needed, humanity lost sight of their Gods for two thousand years..

Now, we are here today. I am also confused about the nature of the Gods (didn't take meditation seriously for a very long time), but it makes total sense, because these are GODS. This question was asked many times before here: Why did the Gods let X event happen? Why did the Gods let Corrupted Beings wreak havoc on our world? Why did the Gods didn't help Lord figure of the past win?

Because the Universe operates with an order, and the Gods are also this order themselves, we align ourselves with the Gods, not the other way around. Why should the Gods do your errands for you? Again, it was sweet to believe in the notion of the humanized Gods. This is more like how a child looks for a role model, and as someone who admits he didn't take meditation seriously and came up with endless excuses, I am nothing but a child in comparison. It's a no brainer to understand that people who engaged with the mysteries of the Gods and advanced, they are way past this point of looking for a chest to rest their head on. They are powerful. And, as this Path is Eternal, the reality that the Gods are Eternal, All-Present, and Supreme sounds magnitudes of way sweeter, powerful, and fulfilling to these brothers/sisters. Truthfully, so.

But if this humanization of the Gods always results in you to dwell on the past, think that your Gods can be bound by the enemy in any way or degree, that you are a victim, and your Gods was a victim at one point somehow, and that they are REALLY angry, needless to say, this thought pattern becomes very unhinged and reeks of weakness.

At this point, your average Xian or Muslim reveres and upholds their imaginary god more than you?? They believe that their god can snap their finger and create a new universe instantly, meanwhile, should we here think that our Gods, at one point, to some degree sealed by the enemy and that they can be REALLY VERY angry about this? This is nonsense, and I came to this by only with my logic, people who are spiritually advanced should actually understand this reality way deeply, in a way that I can't even imagine to comprehend with my level right now, but it is due.. Hopefully.

I want to quote HPZM here, from an old sermon:

The most angering thing one can do to Zeus, is not curse him, because curses don't reach him, but misrepresent him. This really attracts his wrath more than anything else. Notice his enemy of course, went into 99% of misrepresentation, and turning him into a hideous monster and so forth. They knew they couldn't damage him anyway. So they damaged how the world saw him, instead.

See, the Enemy misrepresented our gods and tried to hide their legacy. You can also see the vivid description I mentioned here. This is not inherently negative, and again, was needed, and still is, maybe, but I see from now on, we are moving towards the realization that our Gods are way bigger than what we thought them as before.

Mankind allowed Izfet to reign for a very long time as a collective, so we paid the price. There is an order, and it is Ma'at; our goal is here to align ourselves and our loved ones first, then anyone or anywhere we can reach. This doesn't mean the Gods idly sit back; they do help us, but it's out of love for the whole humanity, nothing else. Their help is generous, real, and can be even miraculous for the worthy ones that deserve it. But to anyone that is waiting for our enemies to get nuked or something, or that thunders will start raining on them, none of this will going to happen. These are childish fantasies. The real victory against the enemy will be us rendering enemy as something so insignificant and not even slightly worthy for our time to stop for a second and feel pity for them. And this will only happen due to us being advanced as mankind, who ingrained all of the Gods' ethics in themselves, not because we marched with black leathers.

Our Gods was never or can ever be bound in any way. This past misunderstanding (which was needed and served its cause) is no more now and it's awesome!

Become a beacon of light yourself. Spiritual solution is eternal, most fulfilling and only real one. All others are facade.

 

[OuroborphicMystery]

Excellent, what did you do today for the Temple, how the above helps anyone in existence?

Can you please take your post, walk in the White House and tell them as well, because I really do not care, look at me, did not even read it. Time is up for potential person of the Gods non-spiritualists victimization. It is very needed: IQ points, social awareness of where you are, and giving of fucks tokens via doing something for the Temple. All else is non-spiritualists talk.

People question holocaust and like figure of the past because the new generations DO NOT GIVE A FUCK about any holocaust, not because they agree with figure of the past.

You want to do historical changes and corrections: get on the educational level, get accredited, propose research and SOLVE it, OFFICIALLY. STOP BEING A non-spiritualists WRITING ON A FORUM ABOUT FUCKING HOLOCAUST BEING X OR Y THEN GOING BACK TO NORMAL. Or do activism but not here. Denying the holocaust is illegal in many places, want to rebel, big brave person, do it , go change the laws thanks. We gave you spiritual power to do this, stop barking at the wrong trees.

My personal opinion: I love all humans and humanity except the criminals and those who wish it harm and obstacles by evil and ill will.

Dear Priest,

While I did directly contradict what you said, I am positive I did so in a respectful way. And while it was quite the long read, I don't think it was worthless. I do respect that our Temple has taken a direction away from ephemeral politics, I just offered more information insofar as is allowed. Also, I do not think it was completely worthless either - true information is inherently helpful no matter what, even if it would only scratch the surface for people just happening to begin their foray into these topics.

I will accept your advice as sacred as all your words are, but I do not think I deserved this harsh rebuke. Yes, I have been posing some questions and voicing concerns since the start of this organizational shift, but I have always been clear about my allegiance. Yes, I am among those who got rattled by some of what's going on, but unlike many fools, I have never even considered chimping out or acting in an untoward way with any Clergy, or levying disgusting accusations against any of you. I mean, this is not some huge achievement, it's just the bare minimum, I know. But either way, I am in this Temple for life - for all my lives. While I am not contributing in a meaningful way nowadays and you are absolutely right on that, I was aware of it to begin with and hearing about it in this way does not help a lot.

I think you may be leveling this hard criticism to me that would be more fitting to level against those who just want to cause chaos, disharmony and try to harm the Temple's image, instead of genuinely engaging in conversation. While some of those people nominally hold the same worldview as me, they make their loyalties clear by acting like dogs. I don't put my political affiliations above my affiliation with the Temple, so I will ask you not to treat me like I do.

With my respectful regards.

 

[Kingfisher]

My 2 cents: I try to love good people in general, which of course includes my family, nation, and people who look like me. I believe altruism and patriotism can be virtues. And like other people, we got dealt a shit hand by the system, so there's justified feeling about that. But the fearmongering and genocide fantasies of the extreme right haven't done a lot to help decent, ordinary white people, whereas the spiritual path has done a lot and has truly endless potential. I would rather my friends move towards the Gods, rather than obsess over congressional seats and PACs.

 

[justvoid]

Excellent, what did you do today for the Temple, how the above helps anyone in existence?

Can you please take your post, walk in the White House and tell them as well, because I really do not care, look at me, did not even read it. Time is up for potential person of the Gods non-spiritualists victimization. It is very needed: IQ points, social awareness of where you are, and giving of fucks tokens via doing something for the Temple. All else is non-spiritualists talk.

People question holocaust and like figure of the past because the new generations DO NOT GIVE A FUCK about any holocaust, not because they agree with figure of the past.

You want to do historical changes and corrections: get on the educational level, get accredited, propose research and SOLVE it, OFFICIALLY. STOP BEING A non-spiritualists WRITING ON A FORUM ABOUT FUCKING HOLOCAUST BEING X OR Y THEN GOING BACK TO NORMAL. Or do activism but not here. Denying the holocaust is illegal in many places, want to rebel, big brave person, do it , go change the laws thanks. We gave you spiritual power to do this, stop barking at the wrong trees.

My personal opinion: I love all humans and humanity except the criminals and those who wish it harm and obstacles by evil and ill will.

What did this person do wrong? He was simply gathering historical information, whether accurate or not. Why is he immediately labeled a criminal or a rebel? He most likely doesn’t live in Germany, since only there is it illegal to deny the Holocaust

 

[justvoid]

High Priest already gave an answer, but I just want to make a small remark, coming from someone who is a beginner on the path and only using my logic and intuition here.

Does it occur to you that maybe the more radical approach (Corrupted Beings, greys, Aryan race, etc.) and beliefs were at that time could be necessary? People had no knowledge, and when you are out of any substance that sustains you, i.e., spirituality, a higher purpose, a worthy god to worship, and so on, it's in a way instinctive to try to look up for something to hate, be more radical, and spiteful. Now, the thing is the vast amount of sustenance we received after 20 years of research by the Clergy and all worthy members, and the Gods blessing us, we are evolving from past error and lesser understanding.

At that time, the radical approach was necessary to bring people to here, in my opinion. When you say to people that there are corrupted being aliens walking among us and causing havoc, and actively trying to enslave us, this is obviously more attention gathering, provocative, and alerting, and therefore, at that time, was the right thing.

Same with Zeus being an extraterrestrial and having an age, acquiring the Godhead himself at one point, just like how this is the goal of every serious Zevist here, this humanization of him I think was very beneficial at that time because it feels like he is just a few galaxies away from you, he is very close to you and he shares the same emotions with you and is very relatable. Many sermons also vividly explain how the Gods are so angry at the enemy that they will go to annihilate them like no one can dream of, that they share your anger and frustration to what is being inflicted to mankind. So, all of this was very necessary in my opinion. If Lady Pythia were to tell at that time that Zeus is not just only a being with a material body, but encompasses all the universe, %80 of people who actually joined to ToZ at that time (just a number that my intuition tells me) wouldn't join. Because humanity simply wasn't ready for that, not even remotely.

People were in dire need of a worthy God who fought on their behalf at that time. With Lady Pythia, they received this.
They also needed an enemy to sustain them so they can have a clear goal and aim; this was also necessary, even if it was not all encompassing as it is now.

I admit that the humanization of the Gods to a certain degree is very sweet and heart-warming, and at that time, this was needed, humanity lost sight of their Gods for two thousand years..

Now, we are here today. I am also confused about the nature of the Gods (didn't take meditation seriously for a very long time), but it makes total sense, because these are GODS. This question was asked many times before here: Why did the Gods let X event happen? Why did the Gods let Corrupted Beings wreak havoc on our world? Why did the Gods didn't help Lord figure of the past win?

Because the Universe operates with an order, and the Gods are also this order themselves, we align ourselves with the Gods, not the other way around. Why should the Gods do your errands for you? Again, it was sweet to believe in the notion of the humanized Gods. This is more like how a child looks for a role model, and as someone who admits he didn't take meditation seriously and came up with endless excuses, I am nothing but a child in comparison. It's a no brainer to understand that people who engaged with the mysteries of the Gods and advanced, they are way past this point of looking for a chest to rest their head on. They are powerful. And, as this Path is Eternal, the reality that the Gods are Eternal, All-Present, and Supreme sounds magnitudes of way sweeter, powerful, and fulfilling to these brothers/sisters. Truthfully, so.

But if this humanization of the Gods always results in you to dwell on the past, think that your Gods can be bound by the enemy in any way or degree, that you are a victim, and your Gods was a victim at one point somehow, and that they are REALLY angry, needless to say, this thought pattern becomes very unhinged and reeks of weakness.

At this point, your average Xian or Muslim reveres and upholds their imaginary god more than you?? They believe that their god can snap their finger and create a new universe instantly, meanwhile, should we here think that our Gods, at one point, to some degree sealed by the enemy and that they can be REALLY VERY angry about this? This is nonsense, and I came to this by only with my logic, people who are spiritually advanced should actually understand this reality way deeply, in a way that I can't even imagine to comprehend with my level right now, but it is due.. Hopefully.

I want to quote HPZM here, from an old sermon:

See, the Enemy misrepresented our gods and tried to hide their legacy. You can also see the vivid description I mentioned here. This is not inherently negative, and again, was needed, and still is, maybe, but I see from now on, we are moving towards the realization that our Gods are way bigger than what we thought them as before.

Mankind allowed Izfet to reign for a very long time as a collective, so we paid the price. There is an order, and it is Ma'at; our goal is here to align ourselves and our loved ones first, then anyone or anywhere we can reach. This doesn't mean the Gods idly sit back; they do help us, but it's out of love for the whole humanity, nothing else. Their help is generous, real, and can be even miraculous for the worthy ones that deserve it. But to anyone that is waiting for our enemies to get nuked or something, or that thunders will start raining on them, none of this will going to happen. These are childish fantasies. The real victory against the enemy will be us rendering enemy as something so insignificant and not even slightly worthy for our time to stop for a second and feel pity for them. And this will only happen due to us being advanced as mankind, who ingrained all of the Gods' ethics in themselves, not because we marched with black leathers.

Our Gods was never or can ever be bound in any way. This past misunderstanding (which was needed and served its cause) is no more now and it's awesome!

Become a beacon of light yourself. Spiritual solution is eternal, most fulfilling and only real one. All others are facade.

As I watch the world, I see Maat being restored. It’s not happening quickly. But all events—wars, even that damned politics—are converging toward a point where justice prevails.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

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We can't be sensitive while hailing figure of the past I say. But my message is for everyone. I find it distasteful people try to teach the Temple what the Temple actually informed them about initially, decades ago, and failing reality test of any perceptual social power.

What did this person do wrong? He was simply gathering historical information, whether accurate or not. Why is he immediately labeled a criminal or a rebel? He most likely doesn’t live in Germany, since only there is it illegal to deny the Holocaust

There are many other countries besides Germany and I am not sure why you think I labeled him a criminal or rebel, since I did not make the laws neither its history. Go take it with the governments, authority institutions, press media etc.

 

[OuroborphicMystery]

We can't be sensitive while hailing figure of the past I say. But my message is for everyone. I find it distasteful people try to teach the Temple what the Temple actually informed them about initially, decades ago, and failing reality test of any perceptual social power.

There are many other countries besides Germany and I am not sure why you think I labeled him a criminal or rebel, since I did not make the laws neither its history. Go take it with the governments, authority institutions, press media etc.

I understand what you're putting down, dear Priest. I didn't find about the political or social facet of these facts in our Temple, I was just overjoyed when I first found ToZ that my home shared the same sentiment and it was actually among the major impetuses... Impeti? Impetuses that motivated me even more to join. It is very rare that my own learning and that of any circle I find myself in overlap - not even just learning, but deep feelings too, just like Brother Emergent up there mentioned as well. What turned off most people from the then-ToZ only made me fall that indescribably much deeper in love with it. Either way, I always uphold the Gods, and Their teachings, as well as Their chosen, specifically and specially ordained Clergy like yourself or HPZM, as sacrosanct. Right now, as a religious organization, we are neutral politically and I understand the multiple, and strategically good, reasons for that.

At any rate, this place is still and forever the greatest bastion of Truth, and I don't generally start political discussions here or elsewhere just like I don't start religious discussions myself in real life, but I do chime in to an existing one if appropriate. But of course, I know our Temple is not run on "democracy" or an absolute """freedom of speech""" principle, nor should it. Truthful speech is more important than saying literally anything anytime anywhere, and you guys set the direction, tone, time and place for that. I'd just like you to know that while my initial post was very long-winded (as my prose often is), and I was tongue-in-cheek in some places, none of it was meant as disrespect for you or disparagement of your words. As I mentioned in the beginning of my post, I was mostly trying to address it to anyone who may come across my post. I know I don't do much nowadays but as you initially questioned me, I try to make sure every one of my posts create some sort of value for someone here - new perspectives to consider, more information, higher motivation or what not. That's the only reason you did and will see fervor from me - not to contradict you guys. This is the most I can do nowadays, which is pitifully little in comparison to my capacity, but what can I say.

Long story short, I know you don't but I still want to make sure you don't misunderstand my intentions in any way, shape or form. I am genuinely loathe to offer any disagreement with Clergy anyway, the very concept is ugly to me, I just feel compelled when I feel the topic is big enough and if I surmise propriety allows for it. Lastly, know that while I will otherwise hold onto my convictions for all of time, I will be the first one to do a full 180 and preach to everyone else to do the same if some official statement comes out that says we shouldn't just be neutral but actively leave these ideologies behind, or something. So my fanaticism for anything other than our Temple is completely conditional, and you won't find a troublemaker in me. Then again, you knew at least this much.

All things said, I thank you again for your guidance, criticism and even beratement. I know you think of our best interests always, and it's just your form of tough love when you're a little hardcore sometimes.

Have a wonderful evening/night, my good Sir.

 

[Black Magic]

High Priest already gave an answer, but I just want to make a small remark, coming from someone who is a beginner on the path and only using my logic and intuition here.

Does it occur to you that maybe the more radical approach (Corrupted Beings, greys, Aryan race, etc.) and beliefs were at that time could be necessary? People had no knowledge, and when you are out of any substance that sustains you, i.e., spirituality, a higher purpose, a worthy god to worship, and so on, it's in a way instinctive to try to look up for something to hate, be more radical, and spiteful. Now, the thing is the vast amount of sustenance we received after 20 years of research by the Clergy and all worthy members, and the Gods blessing us, we are evolving from past error and lesser understanding.

At that time, the radical approach was necessary to bring people to here, in my opinion. When you say to people that there are corrupted being aliens walking among us and causing havoc, and actively trying to enslave us, this is obviously more attention gathering, provocative, and alerting, and therefore, at that time, was the right thing.

Same with Zeus being an extraterrestrial and having an age, acquiring the Godhead himself at one point, just like how this is the goal of every serious Zevist here, this humanization of him I think was very beneficial at that time because it feels like he is just a few galaxies away from you, he is very close to you and he shares the same emotions with you and is very relatable. Many sermons also vividly explain how the Gods are so angry at the enemy that they will go to annihilate them like no one can dream of, that they share your anger and frustration to what is being inflicted to mankind. So, all of this was very necessary in my opinion. If Lady Pythia were to tell at that time that Zeus is not just only a being with a material body, but encompasses all the universe, %80 of people who actually joined to ToZ at that time (just a number that my intuition tells me) wouldn't join. Because humanity simply wasn't ready for that, not even remotely.

People were in dire need of a worthy God who fought on their behalf at that time. With Lady Pythia, they received this.
They also needed an enemy to sustain them so they can have a clear goal and aim; this was also necessary, even if it was not all encompassing as it is now.

I admit that the humanization of the Gods to a certain degree is very sweet and heart-warming, and at that time, this was needed, humanity lost sight of their Gods for two thousand years..

Now, we are here today. I am also confused about the nature of the Gods (didn't take meditation seriously for a very long time), but it makes total sense, because these are GODS. This question was asked many times before here: Why did the Gods let X event happen? Why did the Gods let Corrupted Beings wreak havoc on our world? Why did the Gods didn't help Lord figure of the past win?

Because the Universe operates with an order, and the Gods are also this order themselves, we align ourselves with the Gods, not the other way around. Why should the Gods do your errands for you? Again, it was sweet to believe in the notion of the humanized Gods. This is more like how a child looks for a role model, and as someone who admits he didn't take meditation seriously and came up with endless excuses, I am nothing but a child in comparison. It's a no brainer to understand that people who engaged with the mysteries of the Gods and advanced, they are way past this point of looking for a chest to rest their head on. They are powerful. And, as this Path is Eternal, the reality that the Gods are Eternal, All-Present, and Supreme sounds magnitudes of way sweeter, powerful, and fulfilling to these brothers/sisters. Truthfully, so.

But if this humanization of the Gods always results in you to dwell on the past, think that your Gods can be bound by the enemy in any way or degree, that you are a victim, and your Gods was a victim at one point somehow, and that they are REALLY angry, needless to say, this thought pattern becomes very unhinged and reeks of weakness.

At this point, your average Xian or Muslim reveres and upholds their imaginary god more than you?? They believe that their god can snap their finger and create a new universe instantly, meanwhile, should we here think that our Gods, at one point, to some degree sealed by the enemy and that they can be REALLY VERY angry about this? This is nonsense, and I came to this by only with my logic, people who are spiritually advanced should actually understand this reality way deeply, in a way that I can't even imagine to comprehend with my level right now, but it is due.. Hopefully.

I want to quote HPZM here, from an old sermon:

See, the Enemy misrepresented our gods and tried to hide their legacy. You can also see the vivid description I mentioned here. This is not inherently negative, and again, was needed, and still is, maybe, but I see from now on, we are moving towards the realization that our Gods are way bigger than what we thought them as before.

Mankind allowed Izfet to reign for a very long time as a collective, so we paid the price. There is an order, and it is Ma'at; our goal is here to align ourselves and our loved ones first, then anyone or anywhere we can reach. This doesn't mean the Gods idly sit back; they do help us, but it's out of love for the whole humanity, nothing else. Their help is generous, real, and can be even miraculous for the worthy ones that deserve it. But to anyone that is waiting for our enemies to get nuked or something, or that thunders will start raining on them, none of this will going to happen. These are childish fantasies. The real victory against the enemy will be us rendering enemy as something so insignificant and not even slightly worthy for our time to stop for a second and feel pity for them. And this will only happen due to us being advanced as mankind, who ingrained all of the Gods' ethics in themselves, not because we marched with black leathers.

Our Gods was never or can ever be bound in any way. This past misunderstanding (which was needed and served its cause) is no more now and it's awesome!

Become a beacon of light yourself. Spiritual solution is eternal, most fulfilling and only real one. All others are facade.

High Priest already gave an answer, but I just want to make a small remark, coming from someone who is a beginner on the path and only using my logic and intuition here.

Does it occur to you that maybe the more radical approach (Corrupted Beings, greys, Aryan race, etc.) and beliefs were at that time could be necessary? People had no knowledge, and when you are out of any substance that sustains you, i.e., spirituality, a higher purpose, a worthy god to worship, and so on, it's in a way instinctive to try to look up for something to hate, be more radical, and spiteful. Now, the thing is the vast amount of sustenance we received after 20 years of research by the Clergy and all worthy members, and the Gods blessing us, we are evolving from past error and lesser understanding.

At that time, the radical approach was necessary to bring people to here, in my opinion. When you say to people that there are corrupted being aliens walking among us and causing havoc, and actively trying to enslave us, this is obviously more attention gathering, provocative, and alerting, and therefore, at that time, was the right thing.

Same with Zeus being an extraterrestrial and having an age, acquiring the Godhead himself at one point, just like how this is the goal of every serious Zevist here, this humanization of him I think was very beneficial at that time because it feels like he is just a few galaxies away from you, he is very close to you and he shares the same emotions with you and is very relatable. Many sermons also vividly explain how the Gods are so angry at the enemy that they will go to annihilate them like no one can dream of, that they share your anger and frustration to what is being inflicted to mankind. So, all of this was very necessary in my opinion. If Lady Pythia were to tell at that time that Zeus is not just only a being with a material body, but encompasses all the universe, %80 of people who actually joined to ToZ at that time (just a number that my intuition tells me) wouldn't join. Because humanity simply wasn't ready for that, not even remotely.

People were in dire need of a worthy God who fought on their behalf at that time. With Lady Pythia, they received this.
They also needed an enemy to sustain them so they can have a clear goal and aim; this was also necessary, even if it was not all encompassing as it is now.

I admit that the humanization of the Gods to a certain degree is very sweet and heart-warming, and at that time, this was needed, humanity lost sight of their Gods for two thousand years..

Now, we are here today. I am also confused about the nature of the Gods (didn't take meditation seriously for a very long time), but it makes total sense, because these are GODS. This question was asked many times before here: Why did the Gods let X event happen? Why did the Gods let Corrupted Beings wreak havoc on our world? Why did the Gods didn't help Lord figure of the past win?

Because the Universe operates with an order, and the Gods are also this order themselves, we align ourselves with the Gods, not the other way around. Why should the Gods do your errands for you? Again, it was sweet to believe in the notion of the humanized Gods. This is more like how a child looks for a role model, and as someone who admits he didn't take meditation seriously and came up with endless excuses, I am nothing but a child in comparison. It's a no brainer to understand that people who engaged with the mysteries of the Gods and advanced, they are way past this point of looking for a chest to rest their head on. They are powerful. And, as this Path is Eternal, the reality that the Gods are Eternal, All-Present, and Supreme sounds magnitudes of way sweeter, powerful, and fulfilling to these brothers/sisters. Truthfully, so.

But if this humanization of the Gods always results in you to dwell on the past, think that your Gods can be bound by the enemy in any way or degree, that you are a victim, and your Gods was a victim at one point somehow, and that they are REALLY angry, needless to say, this thought pattern becomes very unhinged and reeks of weakness.

At this point, your average Xian or Muslim reveres and upholds their imaginary god more than you?? They believe that their god can snap their finger and create a new universe instantly, meanwhile, should we here think that our Gods, at one point, to some degree sealed by the enemy and that they can be REALLY VERY angry about this? This is nonsense, and I came to this by only with my logic, people who are spiritually advanced should actually understand this reality way deeply, in a way that I can't even imagine to comprehend with my level right now, but it is due.. Hopefully.

I want to quote HPZM here, from an old sermon:

See, the Enemy misrepresented our gods and tried to hide their legacy. You can also see the vivid description I mentioned here. This is not inherently negative, and again, was needed, and still is, maybe, but I see from now on, we are moving towards the realization that our Gods are way bigger than what we thought them as before.

Mankind allowed Izfet to reign for a very long time as a collective, so we paid the price. There is an order, and it is Ma'at; our goal is here to align ourselves and our loved ones first, then anyone or anywhere we can reach. This doesn't mean the Gods idly sit back; they do help us, but it's out of love for the whole humanity, nothing else. Their help is generous, real, and can be even miraculous for the worthy ones that deserve it. But to anyone that is waiting for our enemies to get nuked or something, or that thunders will start raining on them, none of this will going to happen. These are childish fantasies. The real victory against the enemy will be us rendering enemy as something so insignificant and not even slightly worthy for our time to stop for a second and feel pity for them. And this will only happen due to us being advanced as mankind, who ingrained all of the Gods' ethics in themselves, not because we marched with black leathers.

Our Gods was never or can ever be bound in any way. This past misunderstanding (which was needed and served its cause) is no more now and it's awesome!

Become a beacon of light yourself. Spiritual solution is eternal, most fulfilling and only real one. All others are facade.

On the other hand, the story of reptiles and greys has always disgusted me. All my life, I've considered myself a pagan, not a conspiracy theorist who believes in all sorts of New Age nonsense. Even if these creatures exist, they have never touched us, and it has never made sense to discuss them. Against their background, the threat from the Abrahamists and their aggressive god always seemed more real. And again, why are they gray and why are they corrupted being? This is still the same filter of our perception, when people are used to seeing certain forces in an anthropomorphic image! And many of you fell into the same trap when you said that you saw the gods in a similar way, or said that the gods were busy as people could be busy, this nonsense is far from true spirituality. I am very glad that our temple has moved away from the old ways and has finally evolved and I don't know by what miracle I'm still here after more than 10 years because many others who saw the truth back then were repelled by old order

 

[Flavia]

Brother, I come from the Post-Soviet world, I have seen people who survived concentration camps and once i had the opportunity to listen to one of the eyewitnesses personally. Everyone talks about the Holocaust, that Yehuborim were killed, but besides Yehuborim, Slavs were killed more as well, my grandfather ironically fought as Red Army soldier, he got Order of the Red Star, and unlike Yehuborim, Communists and National Socialists were killed slavs in large more amount. The camps were not resorts or recreation areas, according to the OST plan, as well as the concept of living space - all the eastern lands were to be Germanized by destroying the local population and replacing it with German colonists, as was the case with Native Americans. Death camps are nothing new for the Germananic nations, the British for example used them in their colonial policy and were pioneers in this. Now all this doesn't matter and does not concern us as people who strive for spirituality, however, I must say that the Holocaust was, but it was against the Slavs at the first place, Yehuborim are given an unjustified amount of attention in this matter, as a "victims" who scream loudest than any others. And again, i don't like russians, they're slaves by nature If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have tolerated a bald freak for 30 years above them who has committed genocide against his blood brothers again

Where people can/should learn about this tragedies (about Slavs)?(I don't know about how/when Zevism soldiers harmed Slavs...)

 

[Black Magic]

Where people can/should learn about this tragedies (about Slavs)?(I don't know about how/when Zevism soldiers harmed Slavs...)

Poles, for example, worked as OST-Arbeiters in Reich, a synonym for slaves if you like. Millions were killed by the Communists and National Socialists. There were ROA soldiers and collaborators, but they were seen only as a temporary allies, which was not worth to trust. You can also check Himler's quotes about slavic folks as well

 

[Black Magic]

Poles, for example, worked as OST-Arbeiters in Reich, a synonym for slaves if you like. Millions were killed by the Communists and National Socialists. There were ROA soldiers and collaborators, but they were seen only as a temporary allies, which was not worth to trust. You can also check Himler's quotes about slavic folks as well

figure of the past may be respected as the savior of Europe from communism, but the clergy is right in saying that politicians are accustomed to adapting paganism and gods to suit themselves, otherwise the white Slavs would not have become victims of the same white Germans

 

[justvoid]

Brother, I come from the Post-Soviet world, I have seen people who survived concentration camps and once i had the opportunity to listen to one of the eyewitnesses personally. Everyone talks about the Holocaust, that Yehuborim were killed, but besides Yehuborim, Slavs were killed more as well, my grandfather ironically fought as Red Army soldier, he got Order of the Red Star, and unlike Yehuborim, Communists and National Socialists were killed slavs in large more amount. The camps were not resorts or recreation areas, according to the OST plan, as well as the concept of living space - all the eastern lands were to be Germanized by destroying the local population and replacing it with German colonists, as was the case with Native Americans. Death camps are nothing new for the Germananic nations, the British for example used them in their colonial policy and were pioneers in this. Now all this doesn't matter and does not concern us as people who strive for spirituality, however, I must say that the Holocaust was, but it was against the Slavs at the first place, Yehuborim are given an unjustified amount of attention in this matter, as a "victims" who scream loudest than any others. And again, i don't like russians, they're slaves by nature If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have tolerated a bald freak for 30 years above them who has committed genocide against his blood brothers again

I would ban you right here and now for your remarks about the Slavic race; that is pure inhumanity and goes against what the Gods teach us.

 

[justvoid]

If you had studied history, you would understand perfectly well where uprisings and overthrows lead. Before you blame anyone for being a "slave," just remember that these tyrants have an army—and a sizeable one at that

Brother, I come from the Post-Soviet world, I have seen people who survived concentration camps and once i had the opportunity to listen to one of the eyewitnesses personally. Everyone talks about the Holocaust, that Yehuborim were killed, but besides Yehuborim, Slavs were killed more as well, my grandfather ironically fought as Red Army soldier, he got Order of the Red Star, and unlike Yehuborim, Communists and National Socialists were killed slavs in large more amount. The camps were not resorts or recreation areas, according to the OST plan, as well as the concept of living space - all the eastern lands were to be Germanized by destroying the local population and replacing it with German colonists, as was the case with Native Americans. Death camps are nothing new for the Germananic nations, the British for example used them in their colonial policy and were pioneers in this. Now all this doesn't matter and does not concern us as people who strive for spirituality, however, I must say that the Holocaust was, but it was against the Slavs at the first place, Yehuborim are given an unjustified amount of attention in this matter, as a "victims" who scream loudest than any others. And again, i don't like russians, they're slaves by nature If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have tolerated a bald freak for 30 years above them who has committed genocide against his blood brothers again

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Poles, for example, worked as OST-Arbeiters in Reich, a synonym for slaves if you like. Millions were killed by the Communists and National Socialists. There were ROA soldiers and collaborators, but they were seen only as a temporary allies, which was not worth to trust. You can also check Himler's quotes about slavic folks as well

figure of the past did not make an ideology full for all Europeans. He also focused on the Germans mostly. This was necessary to give them a quick ego boost and help them survive. They needed a framing of this nature to feel more powerful to survive. This is very basic, but it's what they could do.

Slavs and Poles and others are almost identical to any other European. You can lose a German, Pole or Slav in a crowd and you won't know who they are unless they speak or they show you their passport. The same goes for Ukrainians and many Russians and Belarusians or many others.

Political hair splitting does not undo reality of biology and existence. This is why I am telling you, Politics is idiotic past a point. You have to serve a segment of the population FOR A CURRENT TIMELINE and not the truth.

No. The holocaust was not as advertised, much exaggerated but it is false to say "it did not happened".

The Holocaust in general is overstated in numbers and targets; this falls under doing Historiyach or perversion of history without data in order to lie and gain benefits from it.

Many people died during WW2, these involve many Nationalities, civilian casualties, hunger, deprivation, starvation and famine. A segment of these, overstated the numbers to gain money and sympathy and more power in the world stage. That's just Istoriyach and perversion of history to twist it to serve other aims. This worked for over 70 years in order to make some immune to criticism so they can carry on with whatever; including the world community keeping it's mouth shut about present day atrocities being committed.

Istoriyach has happened when it came to many regimes and other types of massacres in human history, where the claims are either "forgotten" or "repressed" and no information or research takes place. There have been many genocides in history but we only know this one because it was overly promoted for other ends and aims.

 

[Black Magic]

I would ban you right here and now for your remarks about the Slavic race; that is pure inhumanity and goes against what the Gods teach us.

it wasnt insult, the truth is im russian myself and i hate that quality amongs my people, and i fight it even within myself, and im not sorry about my language, whole history my people was run by foreigners (and so it was from the very beginning, from the time of Rurik, who was Scandinavian.) or tyrants and i hate that whole of my heart, it's just like same situation if russians was minions from cartoon who serve only evil forces, first we defeat Napoleon - man of honor who wanted unite Europe, and then figure of the past who was it's savior, and you think im wrong after all? well, maybe im wrong, but that my point of viev as russian myself, like a true patriot i can't be blind after all

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

it wasnt insult, the truth is im russian myself and i hate that quality amongs my people, and i fight it even within myself, and im not sorry about my language, whole history my people was run by foreigners (and so it was from the very beginning, from the time of Rurik, who was Scandinavian.) or tyrants and i hate that whole of my heart, it's just like same situation if russians was minions from cartoon who serve only evil forces, first we defeat Napoleon - man of honor who wanted unite Europe, and then figure of the past who was it's savior, and you think im wrong after all? well, maybe im wrong, but that my point of viev as russian myself, like a true patriot i can't be blind after all

People will unite in the end if the culture is restored. But they won't united because of a schizo politician in Russia, or Germany, that will kill 25% or 50% of "unwanted categories" in the European continent [Including Russia].

Politicians just use these narratives to further National force, nothing else. National force means themselves as the leader, at the expense of any neighbor in many cases. They are not interested or they are only intellectually interested in these things, but their core objective is always to increase their power, not the wisdom of the earth.

Cultural restoration will bring back Ma'at, balance and unity between people; not Politicians. The politicians will have to conform to the standard. They won't create anything new or impose that standard, as many of them wouldn't be able to experience the power thirst they dearly love and they would have to abandon this power for higher and wiser form of power, they are power addicted freaks of the lower domain in most cases.

This is why the Ancients before any leader took office, they rigorously trained them in the Divine Rites, so they don't destroy everything when they have the power to do so. This is not an easy task, but definitely achievable.

 

[Black Magic]

People will unite in the end if the culture is restored. But they won't united because of a schizo politician in Russia, or Germany, that will kill 25% or 50% of "unwanted categories" in the European continent [Including Russia].

Politicians just use these narratives to further National force, nothing else. National force means themselves as the leader, at the expense of any neighbor in many cases. They are not interested or they are only intellectually interested in these things, but their core objective is always to increase their power, not the wisdom of the earth.

Cultural restoration will bring back Ma'at, balance and unity between people; not Politicians. The politicians will have to conform to the standard. They won't create anything new, they are power addicted freaks in most cases.

i wish they're shall united one day under hand of Zeus, like it was in the past before Christianity, and I still conduct rituals for the awakening of our people

 

[justvoid]

Russians always choose either tyrants, foreigners, or degenerates as their rulers, and if they stage a revolution, they choose Yehuborim as their masters, as was the case under communism. I know the history of my people very well and it is humiliating for me. I would prefer not to call myself Russian at all.

If you're Russian, then you'd understand that many Russians are protesting against Putin, but they're being harshly suppressed by the police (whether legally or not). They go out to rallies, speak out against the government, but unfortunately, the outcome is always the same. My heart aches for Russia, and it pains me to see my own people turning against their own.

 

[Chrysallida]

Many of the doubts can be cleared, by considering the context of the time related to the event, the people involved, the habits, how society was at that time. What figure of the past decided to do at his time, was Germany of that time. What HPS Pythia decided to do, was according to the time she was first building the Temple. People, we're moving to the 2030s already, we're not in the 1940 nor the 90s anymore. As my grandma says, those who live in the past are museums.

 

[Black Magic]

If you're Russian, then you'd understand that many Russians are protesting against Putin, but they're being harshly suppressed by the police (whether legally or not). They go out to rallies, speak out against the government, but unfortunately, the outcome is always the same. My heart aches for Russia, and it pains me to see my own people turning against their own.

nah, they're literaly do nothing, they're just scared of theirs own shadows, and yeah, i russian, and that's what happening in real life, a bunch of oligarchs clung to power and wouldn't let that go, ecconomic in shit, my salary only 400 dollars per month and im living in the most richest country in the world and my company do billions while i do important job as well and get nothing, prices goes up as well fasten than my salary, that's why im pissed off of that situation with my folks and all post soviet union, and i still do black magic against those corrupted fags in power because i have no idea what else i can do