My Opinion on the "Yehuborim" Thing

[sinbad]

I always saw the majority of Jevvs as basically the equivalent of a psychologically damaged, mentally ill, or high-functioning autistic gentile... the latter of which can actually be quite endearing.

There are gentiles who act EXACTLY the same based on behavioural traits... So how do we actually distinguish them?

There are "good" gentiles with damaged heart and throat chakras who act in a similar manner as the so-called "soul structure" of Jevvs - so what actually seperates the two except their individual actions?

You can use almost the same behavioural descriptions for either in many cases.

And there were some who clearly, even in their natal charts, whether by sheer chance or whatever, could be seen to exhibit many noble traits and compassion/sensitivity also through their actions

And if one is sensitive enough, you can easily feel a person's "natal chart" (soul) by observing their facial expressions and simply tuning into them

I was going to say this 6 months ago, but I knew I would get dogpiled on by senior members, who are many times extremely ignorant - ironically - so I chose to be quiet.

But that is one of the things which irritates me about this place. It still exhibits the same mental rigidity, stagnation and conformism as these 115 IQ "midwit" so called educational institutions who do not have the capacity to actually penetrate into the truth of anything

Maybe instead of instantly mocking, deriding and behaving like a clique of teenage gossip girls, you engaged with HP & others with the OBJECTIVE TO UNDERSTAND you wouldn't be having so much trouble to accept it now

That is, instead of waving around your opinions with pride and egotism of how right you are about everything apparently, actually humble yourself and be willing to abandon your preconceived notions at the sight of new and potentially contradictory information.

You have to be willing to throw away everything you know and believe if said information comes to light

Otherwise, how are you any different from a Xian who desperately clings onto his comfortable lies?

What HP has brought to light is really just common sense if one took the time to observe things objectively instead of being blinded by the fog of rage and emotional biases

Which I do understand, but still, this is an idiotic intellectual weakness

Actually engage with the other person and try to understand their logic and how they came to these conclusions (regarding other topics) before you laugh them out the building

Maybe that feels difficult to do with the more deluded members, but it is a good habit to build that requires some patience

 

[Heimdall]

We, with the guidance of the God's, have come a long way in a relatively short time. I say "WE" because it's all the same journey we're on. Look at the way it was before HPS Maxine came along and opened people's eyes to the truth. It was an absolute shit-fight, we were all struggling along, always trying to get some joy out of a no-win situation. I haven't been involved for that long, but I already have trouble believing the way I was before coming to ToZ.
There are literally thousands now in our path, and yes we are still evolving, and will continue to do so, because it's an infinite journey with the wisdom and guidance of the Gods.
Let us always look forward, reflect about the past, and learn from it. Always be proud of who we are and love the Gods.
HAIL Zeus-Lilith!

 

[Malpanatwux]

I can say for certain that one of the things I greatly appreciate about ToZ is the openness for intellectual challenge, even when it is in opposition to established theology. If you were laughed out of a discussion and disrespected for presenting a challenging idea, you aren’t in the wrong. But that doesn’t sound like the ToZ I’ve known… you’re not alone in questioning these beliefs, I’ve been here for about 5 years (obviously not on this infantile account... ) and have spent a lot of time retracing my steps and seeing if I can disprove what I am currently believing, looking for holes, contradictions, etc. and doing this is perfectly fine.

If this were an Islamic group, questions challenging any parcel of the theology would be met with machetes, angry camels, and lots of screaming praises to their prophet and deity. I don't know if there was a situation where you made a post or comment, and it was treated with disrespect, but if that was the case, I hope that it was a miscommunication. We are all learners after all and we all still have complicated emotions and social mix-ups. Maybe both parties felt disrespected.

Regardless, in my opinion, I don't believe ToZ is rigid in their beliefs. As Heimdall stated previously, the gods are providing us with information at a rapid rate and we are growing faster than ever before. I recall this was even predicted a while back when Pluto entered Aquarius. We are willing to change our beliefs based off of what the gods provide us. Just as the Goetic names of the gods are going the way of the dinosaur among us. However, certain beliefs, like pagan vs. hebe, have remained since the beginning. The manifold information on the Yehuborim is just a graduated understanding of this previously known rivalry.

I don't want to tell you how to believe or dismiss your ideas at all, nor do I have links to provide at the moment, but I know that the soul structure between Yehuborim and Pagans are different. Of course, one can certainly imitate the other, but the same can be said about the transgender phenomena. The soul is immutably male or female, but imitation of the opposite is not outside the realm of possibility.

Once again, no dismissiveness was intended with anything I wrote. Nor do I mean any disrespect towards you for what you believe. I am only throwing in my two cents for you to spend as you please.

 

[sinbad]

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The problem is people are uncomfortable with uncertainty

It's a necessary skill to be able to entertain the possibility of two contradictory opinions/beliefs simultaneously and being able tolerate a period of uncertainty until you've acquired further evidence to illuminate truth on the matter

But people don't want to deal with this complexity, and use emotional biases attached to past experience as a way to help with their "decision making process" on which side to go with - i.e., taking the easy way out

And also because they lack patience

Always take the strongest of hammers to your most firmly held beliefs and see if they shatter under the pressure—that is one thing which will help you become attached to Satya on a metaphysical level.

At this point, it's as though Pluto itself drags the truth down from the Heavens [into my skull].

In my entire life, I have rarely been wrong about anything for long... something always immediately comes along to shatter my beliefs and traumatise me towards a path away from falsehood, because I willingly allow myself to be thrown in the deep end.

I believe in HP's authoritative communications with the Gods, but I also notice how every other advanced civilisation under the Gods also underestimated the Yehubor's ability to gnaw its way back into the blood of its nations. And I have witnessed this over and over again across many lifetimes.

So I have faith in his judgement, of course, yet I remain waiting to see how matters will unfold.

I won't be shocked regardless, because I will have already entertained every possibility, situation and angle in advance.

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It's happened to me maybe once, but I am talking about other instances where older members start flinging shit at others for reasons of superficial hierarchy and perceived status, which isn't at all warranted

There are members here for 10 years+ that can't even do the most basic, baby level astrology, acting as though they are an authority on spiritual matters and other shameless attitudes

Seniority and age apparently doesn't equal to wisdom (surprise, surprise).

Instead of trying to teach others, they behave like baboons in a dick measuring contest and it is unsightly for a representative of the temple, especially when new members look to them as an authority

Being older members, they should conduct themselves in the most wise, patient, mature, understanding and compassionate manner of all other members, acting as a role model, but instead they are the most condescending and disrespectful out of everyone and gang up on you like a bunch of hyenas

Immediately responding with vitriol and monkey shit instead of a desire to converse or understand how people may form incorrect beliefs, and nurture them towards the correct path, or at least being respectful and open to discussion

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Do be open about questions and cite them. In fact, with these changes themselves, now we have the widest and total capacity to ask whatever, not the opposite.

What you write is correct. Yes, there are many Gentiles who have become Yehubor minded due to following the infestation of Yehubor (Christianity, Islam and Judaism which carry these inside heavily and perpetuate them).

Some people also carry heavily the core tenets of the enemy approach, by nature. This is because the underlying current in themselves is tentative to destruction. This is not a surprise, because humans begin from andrapod level (in the andrapod level, one is very close still to the Izfet, because they are ignorant - not because they are "evil inside"). When ignorance is banished, the people of the Gods can pick up quickly. Others might be unable for this (we must not obsess over these cases and merely move on).

 

[AMR33]

The problem is people are uncomfortable with uncertainty

It's a necessary skill to be able to entertain the possibility of two contradictory opinions/beliefs simultaneously and being able tolerate a period of uncertainty until you've acquired further evidence to illuminate truth on the matter

But people don't want to deal with this complexity, and use emotional biases attached to past experience as a way to help with their "decision making process" on which side to go with - i.e., taking the easy way out

And also because they lack patience

Always take the strongest of hammers to your most firmly held beliefs and see if they shatter under the pressure—that is one thing which will help you become attached to Satya on a metaphysical level.

At this point, it's as though Pluto itself drags the truth down from the Heavens [into my skull].

In my entire life, I have rarely been wrong about anything for long... something always immediately comes along to shatter my beliefs and traumatise me towards a path away from falsehood, because I willingly allow myself to be thrown in the deep end.

I believe in HP's authoritative communications with the Gods, but I also notice how every other advanced civilisation under the Gods also underestimated the Yehubor's ability to gnaw its way back into the blood of its nations. And I have witnessed this over and over again across many lifetimes.

So I have faith in his judgement, of course, yet I remain waiting to see how matters will unfold.

I won't be shocked regardless, because I will have already entertained every possibility, situation and angle in advance.


It's happened to me maybe once, but I am talking about other instances where older members start flinging shit at others for reasons of superficial hierarchy and perceived status, which isn't at all warranted

There are members here for 10 years+ that can't even do the most basic, baby level astrology, acting as though they are an authority on spiritual matters and other shameless attitudes

Seniority and age apparently doesn't equal to wisdom (surprise, surprise).

Instead of trying to teach others, they behave like baboons in a dick measuring contest and it is unsightly for a representative of the temple, especially when new members look to them as an authority

Being older members, they should conduct themselves in the most wise, patient, mature, understanding and compassionate manner of all other members, acting as a role model, but instead they are the most condescending and disrespectful out of everyone and gang up on you like a bunch of hyenas

Immediately responding with vitriol and monkey shit instead of a desire to converse or understand how people may form incorrect beliefs, and nurture them towards the correct path, or at least being respectful and open to discussion

Thank you for a very important message. I am new and I asked a couple of questions and the and was quite surprised at the response. It was snarky and rude. It does make one very hesitant to ask a question for fear of being made to look stupid for asking.

 

[Malpanatwux]

Thank you for a very important message. I am new and I asked a couple of questions and the and was quite surprised at the response. It was snarky and rude. It does make one very hesitant to ask a question for fear of being made to look stupid for asking.

You should never feel stupid for asking questions! However, when you discuss in legitimacy things like flat earth theory, it is automatically opened up to sharp-tongued correction. That goes for any social space. It also seems like you went absolutely berserk on anyone who corrected you in any discussion...

No one said that the acquisition of wisdom was a cushy desk job. Sometimes wisdom will come to you as you read a book with tea by fire, sometimes it will come to you as a boxing glove connecting with your jaw. Some people will react to mistakes harshly, others may not. It doesn't matter what they say to set you straight so long as it sets you straight. The ball is in your court for managing your own feelings and not flying off the handle because you didn't like the way someone corrected you. You learn regardless. So what?

Don't be so quick to assume the intentions of others upon you. Everyone here wishes for your success, even those who may respond to your crackpot theories with rough, yet concise remarks. From what I can see, you are the only one escalating your discussions into one-sided screaming matches. Take a deep breath. Know that you are safe here, your evolution is in our greatest interest, and everything you have said that may be embarrassing to you will soon be water under the bridge if you take the path of an open mind and be prepared to receive wisdom, however it may come.

 

[sinbad]

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Thank you for clarity on these topics HP. Yes, I am realising some people are simply a lost cause. Helping them only reduces your capacity and resources to help those who actually deserve help.

I'm still learning these new terms, and I am excited to go through these. But as you know I am currently occupied with something, and I'm sure I will have more questions, but I'm glad to know discussion will be encouraged.

I do have one question, which I will make a thread for.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

Pure gold and everything I've already said. Expected this kind of sensible take out of you.

 

[AMR33]

You should never feel stupid for asking questions! However, when you discuss in legitimacy things like flat earth theory, it is automatically opened up to sharp-tongued correction. That goes for any social space. It also seems like you went absolutely berserk on anyone who corrected you in any discussion...

No one said that the acquisition of wisdom was a cushy desk job. Sometimes wisdom will come to you as you read a book with tea by fire, sometimes it will come to you as a boxing glove connecting with your jaw. Some people will react to mistakes harshly, others may not. It doesn't matter what they say to set you straight so long as it sets you straight. The ball is in your court for managing your own feelings and not flying off the handle because you didn't like the way someone corrected you. You learn regardless. So what?

Don't be so quick to assume the intentions of others upon you. Everyone here wishes for your success, even those who may respond to your crackpot theories with rough, yet concise remarks. From what I can see, you are the only one escalating your discussions into one-sided screaming matches. Take a deep breath. Know that you are safe here, your evolution is in our greatest interest, and everything you have said that may be embarrassing to you will soon be water under the bridge if you take the path of an open mind and be prepared to receive wisdom, however it may come.

I am not surprised to get a remark like I went berserk defending myself. I will always defend myself regardless if small minded people have to resort to slander and and accusations. Looser always resort to slander when they loose an argument. This is a temple of the gods and to see such people here reacting to comments in such a profane manner is disturbing. I don't assume intentions, I read them. It seems to you I went berserk but that of course is your opinion. It would certainly seem more becoming to answer a question with a legit answer rather than calling a question a " CRACKPOT THEORY'. But far be it from me to stop you from showing the community your true nature, it certainly is a warning to not ask any question if they don't want to be labeled a CRACKPOT or next time something worse. You would do well to remember that a student who asks questions is the wise one seeking answers the teacher who derides a student for asking questions they think are dumb, is not the wise one. I hope you have a wonderful day and the gods bless you on your journey to civility.

 

[sinbad]

Pure gold and everything I've already said. Expected this kind of sensible take out of you.

Thank you, and you too. Your posts are always amongst the most fascinating

I haven't read your thread yet. Is it just this one?: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/yehubor-not-all-hebrews-and-missing-the-point-of-zevism.306565/

Will go through it later tonight.

Ultimately, the way to see it, is like a cancerous tumour. You do not HATE the tumour nor have murderous tendencies towards it, you merely wish to be free and healthy again.

And that requires careful surgical removal, not Sasuke anime boss villain revenge mode which will only pull you into their web further. You become emotionally disoriented and easy to manipulate. And they are MASTERS of this game... they know all the tricks of how to fuck with you once you are in this state—which is exactly where they want you.

You are basically fighting a shark in water, when you should be starving it of oxygen and forcing it onto dry land where it cannot breathe or function at peak performance; neutered and paralysed, it is easy to deal with.

That's my point of view anyway.

 

[Malpanatwux]

I am not surprised to get a remark like I went berserk defending myself. I will always defend myself regardless if small minded people have to resort to slander and and accusations. Looser always resort to slander when they loose an argument. This is a temple of the gods and to see such people here reacting to comments in such a profane manner is disturbing. I don't assume intentions, I read them. It seems to you I went berserk but that of course is your opinion. It would certainly seem more becoming to answer a question with a legit answer rather than calling a question a " CRACKPOT THEORY'. But far be it from me to stop you from showing the community your true nature, it certainly is a warning to not ask any question if they don't want to be labeled a CRACKPOT or next time something worse. You would do well to remember that a student who asks questions is the wise one seeking answers the teacher who derides a student for asking questions they think are dumb, is not the wise one. I hope you have a wonderful day and the gods bless you on your journey to civility.

While what you are saying about the nature of asking questions is true, your response does not relate to your specific situation. To name an example, while you did ask a question in the sentence "are there lands beyond the icewall?", you also inserted a passive, blatant lie in that statement in declaring that there was such thing as an icewall in the first place. Through reading the ToZ website, it wouldn't even take half of an afternoon for you to understand that ToZ does not entertain flat earth theory. If you insert false statements as if they are fact, sharp correction is often needed, because it shows that these beliefs have been well established in you and warrant a harsher judgement.

If you declared flat earth theory as fact in any other social space, it would be condemned, either silently or loudly. If you are still a flat earther, you likely know this by now. You should know that flat earth theory is widely accepted by most sensible people as -- just as I called it previously -- "a crackpot theory". Even if you believe in it. You were corrected in an aggressive manner because you came in and declared the existence of an "icewall", it was not a question, it was a declaration. That is likely why you received an unpleasant response.

If you had labeled it as "Is there such thing as the icewall?" or "Does ToZ believe in flat earth?", you most likely would've been responded to with more patience.

It is also not "my opinion" that you have gone berserk it the past, it's the truth. In fact, the only reason I responded to your message is because the only time I've ever seen your name appear on the forums has been you furiously replying in all caps to a user and making accusations about their character based on ONE message. If you're going to take the highroad, examine your own behavior first and foremost. Expecting to be told exactly what you want to hear is a delusion you would be better off leaving behind in your journey.

I once was an understudy for a talented welder. This old, gristled man would tell you up front that he was not a ray of sunshine, and he was absolutely correct. Every egotistical opinion of my welding skills were very quickly shot down by this man. He was a sharp corrector who would not hesitate to tell me how terrible of a job I had done. If I had blown up in his face, screaming, judging his character, etc. my education would be over. In the end, I learned an exponentially greater amount from him than I did from anyone else. He had a different way of teaching, it was not pleasant, but it doesn't matter... it was successfully educational.

Your feelings are yours to manage and you cannot control the behavior of others. From reading your messages, it seems like you are to blame for most of the arguments you get yourself into, so accusing others of slander and accusations carries no weight whatsoever when slander and accusations seem to be your FIRST response to people who offer OPTIONAL corrections to your way of thinking. If you want to be a flat earther, no one is stopping you. That's not what I take issue with, it's your vitriolic explosions when people say things in a way that you don't like. You call it defending yourself, but you're putting the cart before the horse. You wish for your messages to be treated with deeper understanding and patience, but I have never seen you provide the same courtesy for others.

I'm glad that you at least provided me with the courtesy of using lowercase letters, but I would be happy if you could gain something from this exchange rather than discarding it. Not everything is black and white, especially human beings, my friend. I took the time to type this, so this is proof that I value your opinion, right? You're not wrong for feeling attacked, there are no "wrong" emotions, but please try to understand WHY people may be approaching you with challenging words. If that is the courtesy you wish for, provide it for others as well!