Zevist Group of 27 Members

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

Well that's funny because I just recently had helped DeadSilent666 with something he had over Twitter. You be the judge... I don't care honestly it's up to you...

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On Sunday, January 22, 2017, 5:48 AM, Thomas Schweitzer thomas_schweitzer66@... [JoS4adults] wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

Yeah... Well I can say I have kind of an idea of how that happened... I would dread the day where we all turn against each other. We are supposed to be close knit for reason and just recently with upping my max limit for members it hits the nerves. Heh heh...

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On Sunday, January 22, 2017, 4:41 AM, deadsilent666@... [JoS4adults] wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

I agree with deadsilent. Unfortunately I feel that this will end up similar to SIDF, and that this is a bad idea

On Jan 22, 2017, at 02:49, [ email redacted ] [JoS4adults] < wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "[ email redacted ] " < wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

To declare something to be out of duty is where things go wrong. You helped me on your own will & in which is a one time thing, as a "friend" and I guess I owe you 1 but that's pretty much it. Just stick to the egroups, things never go wrong and the HPs are always there for our guidance if things go out of hand.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM, "Ljóss Myrkr ljossmyrkr@... " wrote:

I agree with deadsilent. Unfortunately I feel that this will end up similar to SIDF, and that this is a bad idea
On Jan 22, 2017, at 02:49, [ email redacted ] [JoS4adults] < wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "[ email redacted ] " < wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

I still believe in patience, that some Zevists can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevists are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 AM, "Thomas Schweitzer thomas_schweitzer66@... " wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

The problems with offshoot groups is that infiltrators will pounce and do everything they can to disrupt or destroy the group. Infiltrators will cater to the person in charge of the group, prey on vulnerabilities of weaker members, try to start an internal rebellion, make multiple accounts and try to sway votes, and do anything else they can to ruin the group. It has happened every single time with SIDF, Republic of Enkidea, and other offshoot groups.

I would hate to be dishonest on stuff like that mostly because I have been wounded on the astral so I know it's hard work to do some of these things. I will and would be personally disgusted if I or myself took credit for someone else's work. People pretty much put their butts on the line for this and it's not an easy task. Otherwise, I do receive help in my work with particular gods and goddesses. I do it through a type of invocation where I am guided by pretty much every move I make.
Something perhaps I should do is focus more on that work and maybe not groups… Which I've been considering before this if that makes any of you happy. I'm not too sure about how big of a deal this is because I do have reasons but will just end it at that for now.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 9:39 AM, Napta Balt <napta216@... wrote:

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 6:48 AM, deadsilent666@... [JoS4adults] wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 AM, "Thomas Schweitzer thomas_schweitzer66@... " wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 6:48 AM, deadsilent666@... [JoS4adults] wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 AM, "Thomas Schweitzer thomas_schweitzer66@... " wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

The fact is Gabriel itself is a thoughtform, not a real being. That's another reason it's difficult to believe your claims. You're free to create your own little coven, if you want to do so. But you don't come here and recruit people you don't even know. To be in a coven with someone you have to trust them. Fully. Being in a coven is an intimate experience for like-minded individuals.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 at 4:41 p.m., Napta Balt napta216@... [JoS4adults] wrote:   I would hate to be dishonest on stuff like that mostly because I have been wounded on the astral so I know it's hard work to do some of these things. I will and would be personally disgusted if I or myself took credit for someone else's work. People pretty much put their butts on the line for this and it's not an easy task. Otherwise, I do receive help in my work with particular gods and goddesses. I do it through a type of invocation where I am guided by pretty much every move I make.
Something perhaps I should do is focus more on that work and maybe not groups… Which I've been considering before this if that makes any of you happy. I'm not too sure about how big of a deal this is because I do have reasons but will just end it at that for now.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 9:39 AM, Napta Balt <napta216@... wrote:

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 6:48 AM, deadsilent666@... [JoS4adults] wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 AM, "Thomas Schweitzer thomas_schweitzer66@... " wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

Gabriel is one of the enemy Nordics. Not a thoughtform. There are thoughtforms OF him, but he isn't a thoughtform.

On Jan 23, 2017, at 15:34, Alec Wynn [ email redacted ] [JoS4adults] < wrote:

The fact is Gabriel itself is a thoughtform, not a real being. That's another reason it's difficult to believe your claims. You're free to create your own little coven, if you want to do so. But you don't come here and recruit people you don't even know. To be in a coven with someone you have to trust them. Fully. Being in a coven is an intimate experience for like-minded individuals.

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I would hate to be dishonest on stuff like that mostly because I have been wounded on the astral so I know it's hard work to do some of these things. I will and would be personally disgusted if I or myself took credit for someone else's work. People pretty much put their butts on the line for this and it's not an easy task. Otherwise, I do receive help in my work with particular gods and goddesses. I do it through a type of invocation where I am guided by pretty much every move I make.
Something perhaps I should do is focus more on that work and maybe not groups… Which I've been considering before this if that makes any of you happy. I'm not too sure about how big of a deal this is because I do have reasons but will just end it at that for now.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 9:39 AM, Napta Balt <[ email redacted ] wrote:

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 6:48 AM, [ email redacted ] [JoS4adults] < wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 AM, "Thomas Schweitzer [ email redacted ] " < wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "[ email redacted ] " < wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "[ email redacted ] " < wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

Heh heh... My friends a good guy... I loved the story... Especially the part where the arrow got stuck in its head. I heard the damn thing fell to the floor like a sack of potatoes.

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On Monday, January 23, 2017, 9:21 PM, Ljóss Myrkr ljossmyrkr@... [JoS4adults] wrote:

Gabriel is one of the enemy Nordics. Not a thoughtform. There are thoughtforms OF him, but he isn't a thoughtform.
On Jan 23, 2017, at 15:34, Alec Wynn <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">starduststreakofl wrote:

The fact is Gabriel itself is a thoughtform, not a real being. That's another reason it's difficult to believe your claims. You're free to create your own little coven, if you want to do so. But you don't come here and recruit people you don't even know. To be in a coven with someone you have to trust them. Fully. Being in a coven is an intimate experience for like-minded individuals.

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I would hate to be dishonest on stuff like that mostly because I have been wounded on the astral so I know it's hard work to do some of these things. I will and would be personally disgusted if I or myself took credit for someone else's work. People pretty much put their butts on the line for this and it's not an easy task. Otherwise, I do receive help in my work with particular gods and goddesses. I do it through a type of invocation where I am guided by pretty much every move I make.
Something perhaps I should do is focus more on that work and maybe not groups… Which I've been considering before this if that makes any of you happy. I'm not too sure about how big of a deal this is because I do have reasons but will just end it at that for now.

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On napta216@... wrote:

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On deads wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 Atho wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 Adeads wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 Anapta216@... " <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

Still with the story of enemy Nordics, I see. There are posts on the ToZ forums that say that angels are just thoughtforms and enemy Greys. These posts are more recent than what's on the ToZ website. I guess you just like calling out on me, displaying your own ignorance. Read less Sitchin.

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On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 at 5:18 a.m., Lj贸ss Myrkr ljossmyrkr@... [JoS4adults] wrote:   Gabriel is one of the enemy Nordics. Not a thoughtform. There are thoughtforms OF him, but he isn't a thoughtform.
On Jan 23, 2017, at 15:34, Alec Wynn <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">starduststreakofl wrote:

The fact is Gabriel itself is a thoughtform, not a real being. That's another reason it's difficult to believe your claims. You're free to create your own little coven, if you want to do so. But you don't come here and recruit people you don't even know. To be in a coven with someone you have to trust them. Fully. Being in a coven is an intimate experience for like-minded individuals.

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I would hate to be dishonest on stuff like that mostly because I have been wounded on the astral so I know it's hard work to do some of these things. I will and would be personally disgusted if I or myself took credit for someone else's work. People pretty much put their butts on the line for this and it's not an easy task. Otherwise, I do receive help in my work with particular gods and goddesses. I do it through a type of invocation where I am guided by pretty much every move I make.
Something perhaps I should do is focus more on that work and maybe not groups… Which I've been considering before this if that makes any of you happy. I'm not too sure about how big of a deal this is because I do have reasons but will just end it at that for now.

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On napta216@... wrote:

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On deads wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 Atho wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 Adeads wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 Anapta216@... " <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

I like "calling out" things that are incorrect. I really don't care whether you believe ME or not.Yes, majority of "angels" are thoughtforms, as stated in that sermon. It doesn't dissuade the fact of enemy Nordics though. Sorry kiddo

On Jan 24, 2017, at 05:47, Alec Wynn [ email redacted ] [JoS4adults] < wrote:

Still with the story of enemy Nordics, I see. There are posts on the ToZ forums that say that angels are just thoughtforms and enemy Greys. These posts are more recent than what's on the ToZ website. I guess you just like calling out on me, displaying your own ignorance. Read less Sitchin.

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Gabriel is one of the enemy Nordics. Not a thoughtform. There are thoughtforms OF him, but he isn't a thoughtform.
On Jan 23, 2017, at 15:34, Alec Wynn <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">starduststreakofl wrote:

The fact is Gabriel itself is a thoughtform, not a real being. That's another reason it's difficult to believe your claims. You're free to create your own little coven, if you want to do so. But you don't come here and recruit people you don't even know. To be in a coven with someone you have to trust them. Fully. Being in a coven is an intimate experience for like-minded individuals.

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I would hate to be dishonest on stuff like that mostly because I have been wounded on the astral so I know it's hard work to do some of these things. I will and would be personally disgusted if I or myself took credit for someone else's work. People pretty much put their butts on the line for this and it's not an easy task. Otherwise, I do receive help in my work with particular gods and goddesses. I do it through a type of invocation where I am guided by pretty much every move I make.
Something perhaps I should do is focus more on that work and maybe not groups… Which I've been considering before this if that makes any of you happy. I'm not too sure about how big of a deal this is because I do have reasons but will just end it at that for now.

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On napta216@... wrote:

OK… Something I want to clear up before I go is that I do not wish to take credit for other people's jobs… I feel like this needs to be addressed in this thread here. I did not kill Gabrielle and I do not wish to say that nor have I ever. The story goes (and this is how I believe it was misinterpreted) that a friend of mine back in late 2016 killed a thought form of him. 
He described it as helpful for clearing these things off the astral because after all the people on the earth putting their thoughts and energy into them from statues, artwork and stuff alike they had become harmful to us.

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On deads wrote:

I still believe in patience, that some Zevism can come to realize if they take the initiative to evaluate what they're doing and get on track.
The best advice anyone could give you Napta would be to work to discontinue the group, you can invite me in and I'l help you do it if you want. Forming external groups with their own hierarchical system just like sidf did ended horribly and for sure they weren't the only ones who came to that tragic end. I say it because I care bro.
Groups simply don't work out and they never will. Innocent Zevism are prone to getting screwed over in their paths because of it, the reasons are always because of ego and you may never know it.

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 Atho wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 Adeads wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 Anapta216@... " <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...

Heh, missed that reference, good catch brother T

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:48 AM, "Thomas Schweitzer thomas_schweitzer66@... " wrote:

@deadsilent666 they *are* sidfr or better said, what was left of it. They focus on attacking individuals with thoughtforms and "viruses" - as they call them. This sounds fishy to me especially today when we need as many people as possible to focus on Ritual's, these guys recruit people to keep them busy with other things. Notice how he said they "do Ritual's on OCCASION" ??
This same napta guy was boasting around how he already killed a dozen angels, including Gabriel, and how he received the title of General in Hell's Army. I let you judge on that one..
What he missed to mention in his message was another detail. The name of their "gathering" is "Raven's Gathering" -- now, the "raven" part should ring a bell to the older members here.  – Thomas

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:41 AM, "deadsilent666@... " wrote:

Don't end up like sidf :/

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 AM, "napta216@... " wrote:

Hello everyone,

Before yesterday we had the maximum limit of 14 members and attempted to stay more secretive for good reason… The reason I post here is in hope to gain more members as after losing one or two I realize that my previous max was not a good idea and we needed to gain more people. Our group does daily rituals and on occasion Ritual's with energy offering to the Gods. We have a small hierarchy system and benefits for our members such as a money working that effects past, present and future members of the Gathering. Some, including myself also perform astral work on occasion and we've been looking to make this a bigger thing though uncertain of how exactly that will go down. *Sigh* I was hoping for *full* support of the ToZ community though one of our members had the ban hammer laid down upon him. I am uncertain exactly of the circumstances of that situation though I hope this does not effect things.

If anyone is interested please reply to this thread and I will go more into detail… Otherwise I'll abandon it and move on to another place to recruit others...