Would this ruin a Square?

I think if you didn't do the svahah part at the end your fine cause it will be left as loose energy to dissipate. If you did do that part then you have to start over probably. Talking about in the rep you messed up. If you just did it up to BHAUMA then cough then redid that rep you are perfectly fine.

The Librarian wrote:

We all make mistakes with the squares. That's fine, as Sly said, it will just dissipate. It's only when you really mess up and get many word vibrations wrong, or the whole square for that day is missed that the square is broken - you start again.

This is not correct.

Unfortunately in this case explained by Winterwarrior666, they should start over.

The squares are fickle, this kind of mess up does dissipate the energies and make it worthless to continue the square.

If something like this happens what you need to do is detach completely from the energy raised on that days attempt so far, push it away from you and affirm the failed energy has no effect on the square you are doing and is completely detached from the square.

After that, take a break, preferably wait until the next planetary hour of the planet that day, or if this is impossible, wait for 10 minutes at least while voiding your thoughts and making sure all the energy from the previous failed attempt are gone and detached from the ongoing building energy of the square you are working on.

After that, restart the square for that day and be careful not to make a single mistake.

This method can work, I have successfully used it myself after learning of it from HP Zevios's sermon "Planetary squares FAQ".

However one must be careful with it and know what you are doing to properly detach from the energy while keeping the square intact and untouched.

Even this method is not guaranteed if one lacks experience or ability, but with practice it can be mastered and make doing the squares a lot easier as one doesn't have to restart the whole square when a small mistake is made.

Couching during the vibration counts as messing up the vibration, it messes up the energy of the square because the enumeration is interrupted when you re-do the same vibration.

Just 1 minuscule mistake like that is enough to trash your entire square, even if it is on the last day of a moon square.

You may still have benefitted from the energy, but the power of the square lies in its completion which crystallizes the energy in a permanent way that no other workings can really compare to, therefore when there is a small mistake this does not happen and the energy dissipates which is equivalent to a complete waste of ones work.

Using the above technique, you can reset the square for that day in case you made a mistake and redo it properly without messing up the square.

That said, if you have to use that technique a few days in a row because you make mistakes multiple days in a row, even if the technique is used properly, there is still a high chance the energy drops because there is too much interference.

One must be very careful and have a lazer like focus when doing the squares to prevent any mess up, which maximizes the energies raised from the squares.

HAIL ZEUS!

WinterWarrior666 wrote:

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I feel like if one coughs mid-word, they should just continue with the word as if the cough never happened. Restarting the whole word seems like too much of a correction.

Restarting the square for the day does seem to be a good option, as well. When I have done this, I have taken the energy and directed it to a new "working", then also waiting 1 hour and allowed it to dissipate. Unfortunately, I cannot speak on whether it was successful or not.

Reading over how fickle Squares are, especially in regards to cough or other minor disruption makes me wonder why even bother? Why not just start a normal working with x40 of the mantra on the same date, then one can do this in peace, and even continue it longer than 20-30 days.

At the same time, I feel like I have completed some squares successfully, so I am a little unsure. I am someone that would rather not have their entire work wasted. I don't have all day to perfectly tend to a Square either.

WinterWarrior666 wrote:

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VoiceofEnki wrote:

The Librarian wrote:

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slyscorpion wrote:

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This is what HPZM had said, earlier:

"3. If you do a completely wrong number for the day and you affirm it, the square is gone, you must restart it.

4. If you muffle specific words or forget some of the mantra, you need to redo it for the day. It must be said accurately. Cracks of the throat, loss or short syllabes that were said, are OK. Only a wrong flat mispronouncing should be taken as a failed vibration, as in Gram to Sram. "

also

"1. Do you completely re-do the square if you fail the amount of repetitions for the day? No, you don't have to.

You can let it go for this day and affirm that the energy for this day is cancelled, and do this later in the day with the correct amount of repetitions, after let's say some hours. For this to work, you need to be within the same planetary date.

For example, at 32 reps for the day, you are confused and you do 33. Before you do the affirmation, if you know you have been wrong, program this energy to do something else or let it dissipate. Allow 1 hour to pass, and then do again 32 for the same day, with the correct affirmation."

Link: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=66793

The Librarian wrote:

VoiceofEnki wrote:

The Librarian wrote:

We all make mistakes with the squares. That's fine, as Sly said, it will just dissipate. It's only when you really mess up and get many word vibrations wrong, or the whole square for that day is missed that the square is broken - you start again.

This is not correct.

Members really appreciate when you include ALL members who's posts that are incorrect: [Slyscorpion: [i]I think if you didn't do the svahah part at the end your fine cause it will be left as loose energy to dissipate. If you did do that part then you have to start over probably. Talking about in the rep you messed up. If you just did it up to BHAUMA then cough then redid that rep you are perfectly fine.] Like Blizgreig did, but that's probably why he's a [JG] and you're not.

So when a person decides not to have JG on their profile they are somewhat of a lesser member despite their obvious contributions to the ToZ?

Henu the Great wrote:

The Librarian wrote:

VoiceofEnki wrote:

This is not correct.

Members really appreciate when you include ALL members who's posts that are incorrect: [Slyscorpion: [i]I think if you didn't do the svahah part at the end your fine cause it will be left as loose energy to dissipate. If you did do that part then you have to start over probably. Talking about in the rep you messed up. If you just did it up to BHAUMA then cough then redid that rep you are perfectly fine.] Like Blizgreig did, but that's probably why he's a [JG] and you're not.

So when a person decides not to have JG on their profile they are somewhat of a lesser member despite their obvious contributions to the ToZ?

I don't understand what's JG I don't see that on my or anyone else's profile 🤔

Henu the Great wrote:

slyscorpion wrote:

Henu the Great wrote:

So when a person decides not to have JG on their profile they are somewhat of a lesser member despite their obvious contributions to the ToZ?

I don't understand what's JG I don't see that on my or anyone else's profile 🤔

Read this then: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=66384 - Announcement: Temple of Zeus Guardians [First Announcement Made]

Ok got it now I understand

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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WinterWarrior666 wrote:

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I feel like if one coughs mid-word, they should just continue with the word as if the cough never happened. Restarting the whole word seems like too much of a correction.

Restarting the square for the day does seem to be a good option, as well. When I have done this, I have taken the energy and directed it to a new "working", then also waiting 1 hour and allowed it to dissipate. Unfortunately, I cannot speak on whether it was successful or not.

Reading over how fickle Squares are, especially in regards to cough or other minor disruption makes me wonder why even bother? Why not just start a normal working with x40 of the mantra on the same date, then one can do this in peace, and even continue it longer than 20-30 days.

At the same time, I feel like I have completed some squares successfully, so I am a little unsure. I am someone that would rather not have their entire work wasted. I don't have all day to perfectly tend to a Square either.

I also feel the same. The attraction to the square though is that it behaves as a serpent and builds upon itself numerically. If you can do it right it so definitely worth it; I recently did a Mars square that corrected the issue I was having.

Henu the Great wrote:

The Librarian wrote:

VoiceofEnki wrote:

This is not correct.

Members really appreciate when you include ALL members who's posts that are incorrect: [Slyscorpion: [i]I think if you didn't do the svahah part at the end your fine cause it will be left as loose energy to dissipate. If you did do that part then you have to start over probably. Talking about in the rep you messed up. If you just did it up to BHAUMA then cough then redid that rep you are perfectly fine.] Like Blizgreig did, but that's probably why he's a [JG] and you're not.

So when a person decides not to have JG on their profile they are somewhat of a lesser member despite their obvious contributions to the ToZ?

Logically, the true statement regarding [JG] is:
If you have [JG], then you are a high-ranking member.

However, the inverse is not necessarily true even if the original statement is. Members without [JG] might be just as trustworthy and "high-rank" as those with it. You just don't know. And everybody makes occasional mistakes, even those with [JG]!

Here's a silly version to show the logic:

True Statement: If you're an eagle, then you're a bird.
Inverse: If you're not an eagle, then you're not a bird.

Ravens are not eagles, but they are birds, so the inverse is false.
But if you were a cat, which is not an eagle and not a bird, then the inverse would be true!

slyscorpion wrote:

Henu the Great wrote:

The Librarian wrote:

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Rubbing rank into people's faces can be lame. Our abilities speak for themselves.

With Slyscorpion, he is more spiritually advanced than an I am, particularly in regards to his sensitivity. I take his opinions into account because I believe his input reflects accurate sensations.

As for Henu, I see a lot of him in myself. Many times I go to reply to someone, then see Henu has replied with essentially what I was going to say. He has demonstrated many of the same qualities for which I was recognized, so I know he is a valuable member.

There are many reasons that have influenced HPZM's choices for JG, some of which will probably remain unknown. Many people have great talents that exist regardless of official recognition.

In regards to planetary Squares, I had merely copied the words from HPZM, which is nothing exemplary.

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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slyscorpion wrote:

Henu the Great wrote:

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Rubbing rank into people's faces can be lame. Our abilities speak for themselves.

With Slyscorpion, he is more spiritually advanced than an I am, particularly in regards to his sensitivity. I take his opinions into account because I believe his input reflects accurate sensations.

As for Henu, I see a lot of him in myself. Many times I go to reply to someone, then see Henu has replied with essentially what I was going to say. He has demonstrated many of the same qualities for which I was recognized, so I know he is a valuable member.

There are many reasons that have influenced HPZM's choices for JG, some of which will probably remain unknown. Many people have great talents that exist regardless of official recognition.

In regards to planetary Squares, I had merely copied the words from HPZM, which is nothing exemplary.

I wasn't intentionally giving a wrong answer if this was a wrong answer. I was under the impression that the end word sealed the deal as a rep as it relates to the spiritual.

This is either messed up or it's not. Winterwarrior will be able to tell if it is or not before too much longer if he continues by the energy.

Next time if someone messes up a rep just don't affirm and do like Cobra says do it again later then affirm.

I've coughed in mid-word a few times, and continued. It was fine. Just stay in tune with the mantra and the planet, ignore the cough, and continue.

VoiceofEnki wrote:

The Librarian wrote:

We all make mistakes with the squares. That's fine, as Sly said, it will just dissipate. It's only when you really mess up and get many word vibrations wrong, or the whole square for that day is missed that the square is broken - you start again.

This is not correct.

Unfortunately in this case explained by Winterwarrior666, they should start over.

The squares are fickle, this kind of mess up does dissipate the energies and make it worthless to continue the square.

If something like this happens what you need to do is detach completely from the energy raised on that days attempt so far, push it away from you and affirm the failed energy has no effect on the square you are doing and is completely detached from the square.

After that, take a break, preferably wait until the next planetary hour of the planet that day, or if this is impossible, wait for 10 minutes at least while voiding your thoughts and making sure all the energy from the previous failed attempt are gone and detached from the ongoing building energy of the square you are working on.

After that, restart the square for that day and be careful not to make a single mistake.

This method can work, I have successfully used it myself after learning of it from HP Zevios's sermon "Planetary squares FAQ".

However one must be careful with it and know what you are doing to properly detach from the energy while keeping the square intact and untouched.

Even this method is not guaranteed if one lacks experience or ability, but with practice it can be mastered and make doing the squares a lot easier as one doesn't have to restart the whole square when a small mistake is made.

Couching during the vibration counts as messing up the vibration, it messes up the energy of the square because the enumeration is interrupted when you re-do the same vibration.

Just 1 minuscule mistake like that is enough to trash your entire square, even if it is on the last day of a moon square.

You may still have benefitted from the energy, but the power of the square lies in its completion which crystallizes the energy in a permanent way that no other workings can really compare to, therefore when there is a small mistake this does not happen and the energy dissipates which is equivalent to a complete waste of ones work.

Using the above technique, you can reset the square for that day in case you made a mistake and redo it properly without messing up the square.

That said, if you have to use that technique a few days in a row because you make mistakes multiple days in a row, even if the technique is used properly, there is still a high chance the energy drops because there is too much interference.

One must be very careful and have a lazer like focus when doing the squares to prevent any mess up, which maximizes the energies raised from the squares.

HAIL ZEUS!

Ok, you sound like you clearly have experience in the specifics of this.

I ended up redoing the square (using the shortened version now since the original took way longer than I expected for the time I had to slip away and do them) but now I have another question thats been eating at me.

Alot of the squares have rolled R's, what should you do if your trying to roll an R and it just doesn't roll?, should you start the first part of the word over again or just keep trying to roll that R again and once you get a roll pick up where the word left off at? I.e. if I try to do "Graam" but the R doesn't roll, what should I do? Would I try to do the entire word over again or just attempt to remedy it with a "Raam" since the G part was already said? From what your saying it seems to be the latter.

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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WinterWarrior666 wrote:

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I feel like if one coughs mid-word, they should just continue with the word as if the cough never happened. Restarting the whole word seems like too much of a correction.

Restarting the square for the day does seem to be a good option, as well. When I have done this, I have taken the energy and directed it to a new "working", then also waiting 1 hour and allowed it to dissipate. Unfortunately, I cannot speak on whether it was successful or not.

Reading over how fickle Squares are, especially in regards to cough or other minor disruption makes me wonder why even bother? Why not just start a normal working with x40 of the mantra on the same date, then one can do this in peace, and even continue it longer than 20-30 days.

At the same time, I feel like I have completed some squares successfully, so I am a little unsure. I am someone that would rather not have their entire work wasted. I don't have all day to perfectly tend to a Square either.

Yeah this is why I have begun doing the shortened versions for those with reps above jupiters.

I do have a question though blitz, some of the squares have rolled R's associated with them, what should I do if I attempt to say the word but the R doesn't roll? Should I stop and try to get a rolled R going again and then just finish the word or would it be best to start the beginning of said word over again? I.e. Graam, I try to roll the R and it doesn't work, ahould I begin the full word over again (i.e the G at the beginning) or should I stop the word and try to roll the R again and then finish the "-raam" part when I get that rolled R going?

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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slyscorpion wrote:

Henu the Great wrote:

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Rubbing rank into people's faces can be lame. Our abilities speak for themselves.

Most definitely. There should be no need to such nonsense.

The Librarian wrote:

Oh, so you know who has been offered the "Temple of Zeus Guardians" and who has refused it? I didn't know you had the special confidence of the Clergy? :lol: :lol: :lol:

By the way, I was not speaking to you!

I did not say anything about refusing, but wanting to stay in the background.

Stop being obnoxious, there is no need for it.

The Librarian wrote:

I've heard people here say they spend 3-4 hours a day on meditation. They obviously don't work for a living.

Yes, every day, and I also work, train and go to school aside with ToZ stuff. Nothing too extraordinary about this.

slyscorpion wrote:

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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slyscorpion wrote:

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Rubbing rank into people's faces can be lame. Our abilities speak for themselves.

With Slyscorpion, he is more spiritually advanced than an I am, particularly in regards to his sensitivity. I take his opinions into account because I believe his input reflects accurate sensations.

As for Henu, I see a lot of him in myself. Many times I go to reply to someone, then see Henu has replied with essentially what I was going to say. He has demonstrated many of the same qualities for which I was recognized, so I know he is a valuable member.

There are many reasons that have influenced HPZM's choices for JG, some of which will probably remain unknown. Many people have great talents that exist regardless of official recognition.

In regards to planetary Squares, I had merely copied the words from HPZM, which is nothing exemplary.

I wasn't intentionally giving a wrong answer if this was a wrong answer. I was under the impression that the end word sealed the deal as a rep as it relates to the spiritual.

This is either messed up or it's not. Winterwarrior will be able to tell if it is or not before too much longer if he continues by the energy.

Next time if someone messes up a rep just don't affirm and do like Cobra says do it again later then affirm.

No WinterWarrior will not be able to tell or not because WinterWarrior is terrible at feeling energy like that lol

My biggest issue with the squares and these kinds of problems is that you never quite know if say, that failed roll of an R, or that occasional cough, ruined the mantra, and then your faced with the task of deciding whether to repeat a mantra set you might have spent an hour on over again on a hunch.

Are you able to feel when a square is broken Sly? If so what does it feel like? When I raise energy for the square with the mantras I usually feel it when the reps get high enough, but am not sure if that means it is the squares energy or just the energy I am building in general from the mantras

WinterWarrior666 wrote:

slyscorpion wrote:

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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Rubbing rank into people's faces can be lame. Our abilities speak for themselves.

With Slyscorpion, he is more spiritually advanced than an I am, particularly in regards to his sensitivity. I take his opinions into account because I believe his input reflects accurate sensations.

As for Henu, I see a lot of him in myself. Many times I go to reply to someone, then see Henu has replied with essentially what I was going to say. He has demonstrated many of the same qualities for which I was recognized, so I know he is a valuable member.

There are many reasons that have influenced HPZM's choices for JG, some of which will probably remain unknown. Many people have great talents that exist regardless of official recognition.

In regards to planetary Squares, I had merely copied the words from HPZM, which is nothing exemplary.

I wasn't intentionally giving a wrong answer if this was a wrong answer. I was under the impression that the end word sealed the deal as a rep as it relates to the spiritual.

This is either messed up or it's not. Winterwarrior will be able to tell if it is or not before too much longer if he continues by the energy.

Next time if someone messes up a rep just don't affirm and do like Cobra says do it again later then affirm.

No WinterWarrior will not be able to tell or not because WinterWarrior is terrible at feeling energy like that lol

My biggest issue with the squares and these kinds of problems is that you never quite know if say, that failed roll of an R, or that occasional cough, ruined the mantra, and then your faced with the task of deciding whether to repeat a mantra set you might have spent an hour on over again on a hunch.

Are you able to feel when a square is broken Sly? If so what does it feel like? When I raise energy for the square with the mantras I usually feel it when the reps get high enough, but am not sure if that means it is the squares energy or just the energy I am building in general from the mantras

I never figured out how to roll rs as nothing in my native language has rs rolled. I did figure out how to fake it a little with some things though. The squares still worked fine for me.

It will feel weaker or like you started over at a new spot if it's broken. The energy will stay built up but it won't grow stronger and may feel like it's released already. In some cases if near the very end it may be better just to finish it you may get what you want anyways. However if near the middle or begging better to start over.

slyscorpion wrote:

WinterWarrior666 wrote:

slyscorpion wrote:

I wasn't intentionally giving a wrong answer if this was a wrong answer. I was under the impression that the end word sealed the deal as a rep as it relates to the spiritual.

This is either messed up or it's not. Winterwarrior will be able to tell if it is or not before too much longer if he continues by the energy.

Next time if someone messes up a rep just don't affirm and do like Cobra says do it again later then affirm.

No WinterWarrior will not be able to tell or not because WinterWarrior is terrible at feeling energy like that lol

My biggest issue with the squares and these kinds of problems is that you never quite know if say, that failed roll of an R, or that occasional cough, ruined the mantra, and then your faced with the task of deciding whether to repeat a mantra set you might have spent an hour on over again on a hunch.

Are you able to feel when a square is broken Sly? If so what does it feel like? When I raise energy for the square with the mantras I usually feel it when the reps get high enough, but am not sure if that means it is the squares energy or just the energy I am building in general from the mantras

I never figured out how to roll rs as nothing in my native language has rs rolled. I did figure out how to fake it a little with some things though. The squares still worked fine for me.

It will feel weaker or like you started over at a new spot if it's broken. The energy will stay built up but it won't grow stronger and may feel like it's released already. In some cases if near the very end it may be better just to finish it you may get what you want anyways. However if near the middle or begging better to start over.

The rolled R is not a must. It was update in the ToZ many years ago, if you look you will find it there. Basically it work the same whatever you roll it or not.

The Librarian wrote:

Henu the Great wrote:

Blitzkreig [JG wrote:

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Rubbing rank into people's faces can be lame. Our abilities speak for themselves.

Most definitely. There should be no need to such nonsense.

The Librarian wrote:

Oh, so you know who has been offered the "Temple of Zeus Guardians" and who has refused it? I didn't know you had the special confidence of the Clergy? :lol: :lol: :lol:

By the way, I was not speaking to you!

I did not say anything about refusing, but wanting to stay in the background.

Stop being obnoxious, there is no need for it.

The Librarian wrote:

I've heard people here say they spend 3-4 hours a day on meditation. They obviously don't work for a living.

Yes, every day, and I also work, train and go to school aside with ToZ stuff. Nothing too extraordinary about this.

I'm not being obnoxious. You are being presumptuous. I was referring to my daily routine which you don't know of so therefore can't comment on.

According to your profile you have only been registered here in the forum for 2 years, but you carry on with an assumed arrogance and authority like you are one of the original members of ToZ. These are the ones who deserve real respect here, as can be seen with their honorary designation of [JG]. They know how to treat fellow members with understanding and humility.

Get rid of your arrogant attitude in your approach to other members here and realise we are all different here and are entitled to our own opinions.

I was referring to the following part :

Like Blizgreig did, but that's probably why he's a [JG] and you're not

There was perfectly good advice from a Brother and you resorted to this kind of rhetoric.

Please do not assume anything about my status here as you are unaware of things.