Same sex marriage

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

You misunderstand me. I meant that my ex partner discarded me twice. I regret replying at all to this thread for any reason in the first place. It was stupid I wish you well

I am sorry for misunderstanding your words. You are able to express yourself and we are too. This wasn't stupid of yourself since you had concern about the opinions of certain people. Clarification is always needed for subject like this one.

I also wish you well.

hailourtruegod wrote:View source

This is what i personally never liked in general and why I am losing patience. Assumption instead of asking for clarification.

Again, it was a back and forth only. I meant no offense and only wanted to engage in discussion. But instead it was taken as an attack because people can't handle basic dialogue anymore even in this place.

Brother, again, there is an ongoing inconsistency. Your irony in that reply wasn't an assumption on my side, as someone had the grace to alter my reply in the quote to mention it. It was clear as day. You can't label everything you disagree off as people assuming things about you.

Asra wrote:View source

Brother, again, there is an ongoing inconsistency. Your irony in that reply wasn't an assumption on my side, as someone had the grace to alter my reply in the quote to mention it. It was clear as day. You can't label everything you disagree off as people assuming things about you.

Reading your other reply and this one, this is just a matter of misinterpretation, in regards to only me and you. We'd have to dissect every moment from here on out for me to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt I was not doing what you perceived (I'll use that word instead of using 'assuming') it as and why it in my opinion it is not viable to see it that way. We already said we'll both take our words to be more considerate and I think that's the best we can do.

As for the topic, I am experiencing how sensitive it is to people even in this place, firsthand. I do not agree with these reactions even if it has to do with personal things. At least not towards me or even Ài GōngFull site ↗ but I can only speak for myself. But that is my opinion and I don't expect people to react towards topics in the same robotic manner I know I can do that comes off as rude when my intention was the opposite.

Regardless, being good at delivery in my words is part of being of the Theophoros path and that is what I am taking with me from this situation. Thank you for taking time to reply like this.

luis wrote:View source

So what is your own opinion on homosexuality?

It's a mortal/biological tendency and not much to be obsessed over - something that does not belong in spiritual topics other than "ok this chart placement means this person has these sexual tastes", and that's about it.
Just accept yourself and go with the flow, if you feel attracted to women now don't try to block or obsess over "how many partners" you are "supposed to have" due to feelings. Be honest and act like you would normally.

Asra wrote:View source

Did I miss an update? Weren't all 3 sexual orientations normal traits the soul keeps throughout lifetimes?

Normal? Yes. The rest are assumptions from the older framework, basically people just repeated these statements in the Yahoo groups and no one ever questioned those are tabu and emotional topics for some people. If you didn't participate in the discussions of the SG's (and now Priest and NP), also replies made by HP ZM (most of the times, "walking on eggs" due to the responses on people), my reply above sums these up in a simplifying manner, I hope it makes sense.

Ài Gōng wrote:View source

Normal? Yes. The rest are assumptions from the older framework, basically people just repeated these statements in the Yahoo groups and no one ever questioned those are tabu and emotional topics for some people. If you didn't participate in the discussions of the SG's (and now Priest and NP), also replies made by HP ZM (most of the times, "walking on eggs" due to the responses on people), my reply above sums these up in a simplifying manner, I hope it makes sense.

That's what I meant about the shaming of sharing information between peoples. No one was attacked for their sexuality. It was wrongly perceived as so (at least I can honestly say in regards to you and I) and we can spend a lot of time pointing to many reasons why they might but I lean towards the reason you mention that we pretty much have to walk on eggshells when replying to people.

If long term members feel like we shouldn't change the approach to discourse on this topic then I see it as a waste of time to keep engaging in these topics. Might as well be banned just like the political discussions since these are the exact same reactions. Look now we have to validate ourselves as people just like in political topics instead of engaging in objective discourse.

Like I said, I'll better my delivery but I highly disagree with acting sensitive on simple back and forth discussions.

Ài Gōng wrote:View source

INormal? Yes. The rest are assumptions from the older framework, basically people just repeated these statements in the Yahoo groups and no one ever questioned those are tabu and emotional topics for some people. If you didn't participate in the discussions of the SG's (and now Priest and NP), also replies made by HP ZM (most of the times, "walking on eggs" due to the responses on people), my reply above sums these up in a simplifying manner, I hope it makes sense.

I know the position on transgenderism and I share it. My replies were solely about homosexuality.

Asra wrote:View source

I know the position on transgenderism and I share it. My replies were solely about homosexuality.

My reply to luis has nothing to do with transgenderism, I told you to read it on exactly the topic of homosexuality.

Ài Gōng wrote:View source

My reply to luis has nothing to do with transgenderism, I told you to read it on exactly the topic of homosexuality.

We share this point of view as well. I regard it as something normal, certainly not a focus of ToZ, neither something to be disputed or argued.

What I am about to say is not to anybody directly. It is for everybody to read if they want to. I am not saying that being gay is bad, because it is fine. Some people are gay and that is fine.

Imagine thinking that being gay is the most important thing about you, or the biggest thing in your life, that you would run away from the school of the Gods and spiritual advancement just because a couple people think that anal sex is physically unhealthy? What a joke. Especially when what was said is not even any official religious or spiritual statement and is only an opinion by literally a few people.

If you want to leave, then leave. I don't understand people threatening to leave as if it is an attempt of blackmail to force someone else to change their beliefs to get you to stay. At least from a longer term member it means more than it usually does for the people who usually say this kind of thing, who are members for 2 months or less. But it still means nothing.

Imagine the clownshow of thinking that being homosexual is the focus or the highest description of your entire life, that this is sacred or meaningful above all other things and even above learning, spiritual growth and advancement. There are many gay people who are deeply boring and uninteresting who claim that the state of being homosexual is literally their only and entire personality trait, because they have no personality or interests in any other thing.

I am heterosexual. Being heterosexual is not my entire personality, and it is not my only interest. It is one of the least important qualities or description about me, it is not one of the most important. Being heterosexual is not more important than spiritual growth and advancement, it is not more important than learning, and it is not more important than the Gods. Being heterosexual simply is not important and does not matter, just like being homosexual is not important and does not matter. If whether you are attracted to a man or a woman is anywhere near the top of the list of what is the most important thing about you, you need to basically get a life. Get some hobbies, learn some skills, learn about things that interest you, develop some talents and abilities. Learn a musical instrument, create artwork, learn a new language, practice cooking, learn about electronics or whatever else. But please develop some kind of skills, interests, or abilities. Do some kind of fulfilling work that is beneficial for yourself and beneficial for the world. "Get a life."

A homosexual person should not leave from here because literally a small handful of people think that some gay actions are physically unhealthy. A heterosexual person should not leave from here because a small handful of people think that that is bad somehow. People should not be wanting to leave from here over just the smallest and most insignificant differences of opinions with any other member. The only thing this shows is a lack of personal confidence. If you are right and you know that you are right, you would not fear anybody disagreeing with you about some small thing because they are wrong anyway. Or if you want to follow the truth, if you want to learn to actually be very smart and correct instead of actually being ignorant, wrong, and too unconfident to admit the truth, then you would enjoy speaking with people who disagree with yourself. You would enjoy speaking with people who have different ideas, different opinions, and know different true facts and valid information that yourself might have never heard. If you are right, you can teach the other person and now you both can be right. If you are wrong, you can learn from the other person and now you both can be right. The only possible negative outcome is by somebody being too closed minded to listen to what anyone else says, and refusing to participate honestly in the conversation.

Being heterosexual is fine. It is the normal way that most people are supposed to be. Being homosexual is fine. It is the normal way that a small percentage of people are supposed to be. That is basically the end of it.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Neither me or anyone said anything about making homosexuality our whole identity or personality me least of all.a Homosexual person who simply wants to be accepted and not feel alienated isn't trying to make the orientation their whole identity or personality while asking for this. It really sucks to still have to explain that.

It's not about being insecure or difference of opinion, I'm not blackmailing anyone to anything and am not trying to push them to believe anything else. Just because I'm leaving the forums also doesn't mean that I'm abandoning my practices. You even stated here yourself a couple years ago on a post that people can commune with the gods and follow the practices without even having to interact with the forums at all. I remember this quite specifically and there's nothing wrong with this at all. Me wanting to do this isn't me abandoning the toz or because I feel insecure about a difference of opinion or my Identity or because I'm trying to make homosexuality my whole personality. This isn't the only reason why I'm separating from the forums either, and I reference that also in another comment about things that I've kept silent about for a long time that I just don't want to go on about. I have a lot of feelings and thoughts about things that honestly sadden and frustrate me and I need to be alone with them.

Being saddened and frustrated is a normal thing that can happen with anybody sometimes, but being alone with it is usually not the right answer. That is usually how these emotions will be continuing to get worse. It is like instead of an infected injury being carefully cleaned out so it can heal correctly, it is instead being covered up where the infection continues to grow and rot.

I am wrong about some things sometimes. I have been wrong about things before, and I will be wrong about some things in the future. You can also take things I have said before in the wrong context, and assume that I meant something that I did not actually mean. Me saying that something is possible is not necessarily saying that it is at all a good idea.

Of course people have their own connection personally between themselves and the Gods, and they can be working on advancement and growth without coming here. It is also true that new upgraded and amplified spiritual information is continuing to be consistently added here, which people will not receive if they are not here to see it. What we have today is a million times stronger than what we had 10 years ago, and a person who left from here 10 years ago and worked alone for all these years without coming here to learn the upgraded information will be enormously held back in comparison.

To leave just because some people say that it is a medical fact that there are physical health problems from anal sex, which is supported by real life examples and medical studies. It is ridiculous. I don't think that anybody even said that being gay is bad or anything like that. So if you are putting this above your spiritual growth and advancement by leaving this place of enlightenment and education, it is a mistake. And it is acting like your own emotional reaction is the most important thing, or more important than your continued growth in the most successful way. Instead of running away whenever you have your own bad emotional reaction, consider thinking why do you react that way to begin with? Why are you choosing to feel that emotion? And after feeling it, why do you then let that emotion control your life? Because you can say the same thing to 1,000 people, and all 1,000 of them will react with a different emotion. This is personal choice and you can choose to feel or react with a different emotion instead. None of this is outside of your own control.

I was very depressed when I was a kid. Then I chose not to be, and I chose to build better mental habits instead and choose to think of something else. Think of a different thought instead, feel a different emotion instead. It might be difficult at first to create a new habit, but it is literally that basic and that simple to do. We are in control of our own thoughts at all times, so choose to have good ones. A bad thought is a worthless distraction, so do not pay attention to it and choose to think about something good instead. Nobody can ever blame anybody else for whatever emotion that yourself is feeling because this is how you are choosing to react, when you could practice training yourself to react in a different way instead.

High Priest Zevios Metathronos's post about how to quit drugs is basically this same thing. It is about training yourself to have a better habit of thoughts to stop thinking about wanting something that is bad for you. Whether it is wanting to harm your body by smoking a cigarette, or wanting to harm your mind by focusing on bad emotions. They are the same thing, it is the thoughts that you are choosing to focus on. Focus on something good instead.

luis wrote:View source

So what is your own opinion on homosexuality? The sexual etichs are clear. I can belive that homosexuality in history has been inflated especially Greeks but at the end of the day what matter to me is how does TOZ views these things?

To me it makes sense that transgenderism is a illness of the mind that needs to be healed. If you are born in a way it does not makes sense you want to be something else. You can do it but its not healthy for the mind. This is my take on it and I thing most would agree, in any case here we do accept people that are transgenders but meditations and healing exist on TOZ to heal this thing.

What about homosexuality? As a gay men (lately found out I'm bisexual actually after a round of Advanced Purifications but I never had a sexual experience with a women) I can see It's not something I can easily change, I'm attracted to other guys and to the sexual practices you do with a guy. But I wonder, is it okay? Natural? Like a fetish? Or it's totally okay for me to be gay and live my life with a guy? I'm asking myself these questions lately, I know it's a huge topic and I know our Sexual Etichs but I wish @High Priest Zevios Metathronos would talk about it, sexuality is a HUGE part of our existence and I don't want to wake up one day and thing I made the wrong "choises".

I'm very open to discuss this, we are all here to advance.

See I been doing research on the ancient Egypt ancient Greece ancient Rome and finding out that sex unions were more open and I decovered that in ancient Egypt there was no Decimation of sexually as I understand.Me personality look for Soul connections when I talk to men or women yes I was always a woman in my past lives.And in this life I was always pulled to woman things like clothes perfume make up.and that is what brings me happiness Joy and contement.If you want more understanding of this ask your self this question is what you're being directed to the truth.This path is about your own endeavors not anybody else you war for the God's and build relationship with them Hail Zeus Hail Baal Hail Agares

MageSurpent666 wrote:View source

See I been doing research on the ancient Egypt ancient Greece ancient Rome and finding out that sex unions were more open and I decovered that in ancient Egypt there was no Decimation of sexually as I understand.Me personality look for Soul connections when I talk to men or women yes I was always a woman in my past lives.And in this life I was always pulled to woman things like clothes perfume make up.and that is what brings me happiness Joy and contement.If you want more understanding of this ask your self this question is what you're being directed to the truth.This path is about your own endeavors not anybody else you war for the God's and build relationship with them Hail Zeus Hail Baal Hail Agares

Listen to what SG Hidden Warrior said, you need actual psychological support, you have not been made aware of any of your past lives, it is one of the highest siddhis a person can perform, I am sorry to be the one to tell you this but it has not happened, its delusion.

You can wear make up, thats your choice, engage in homosexual relationships if all are of course consenting and adult, yet again this is your choice, but you need to understand that there were no past lives as a woman, your body is an expression of your soul, a male soul is a male soul a female soul is a female soul, there are key important distinctions between them, if as you say you were sexually abused at such a young age it is vital to get mental health support for this, this is not something to argue with its just a fact.

These statues and imageries you are pulling from represent spiritual allegories that are well beyond their physical representation, they are not to be taken literally, I have sympathy for the pain you have gone through but what your talking about needs to be addressed with professional support.

luis wrote:View source

I do understand it takes time to adjust. But it honestly feels like I like both and I have to choose what type of life I want to live because it will be different with a women or a men, and it kinda suck to choose.

Yes, everyone has to make their choices. And it is better to be able to choose, even if it is difficult, than not to be able to choose for whatever reason, or worse still, let someone else make decisions for you. Although I am sure many lemmings would love not to think for one second for themselves.

luis wrote:View source

Here it says on how to choose your partner https://templeofzeus.org/advancedphilosophy/Eugeneia.phpExternal ↗

Oh, I see. Great information with the influx of new people in mind, and it seems like it can be useful for older members as well. To me, it is pretty obvious what is stated in there. However, in this space, I tend to forget that what seems as bright as a day to me is not so clear to others.

Look, please do not overcomplicate the issue. Choose wisely is what it boils down to.

Hidden Warrior [SG] wrote:View source

"Love is love" is a phrase that has been used in destructive and Izfetic ways.

Temple of Zeus position on sexuals matters is the following:
Sexual EthicsExternal ↗

Love is an action word behind desire nothing else

Yes, and that desire sometimes is detrimental to the person it is directed at. I felt like that was understood by that comment SG Hidden Warrior made. But if not, this is me adding to the comment.

Henu the Great wrote:View source

Yes, everyone has to make their choices. And it is better to be able to choose, even if it is difficult, than not to be able to choose for whatever reason, or worse still, let someone else make decisions for you. Although I am sure many lemmings would love not to think for one second for themselves.

Oh, I see. Great information with the influx of new people in mind, and it seems like it can be useful for older members as well. To me, it is pretty obvious what is stated in there. However, in this space, I tend to forget that what seems as bright as a day to me is not so clear to others.

Look, please do not overcomplicate the issue. Choose wisely is what it boils down to.

Look I'm trying to stay calm because I know I have magical tools that I can use but there is nothing wrong on having someone who I feel knows more about everything explain more on sexuality and how to live it, like he is doing for many things.

It's difficult to explain the "confusion", I like both, and probably I choosed man's now. I have someone that I like a lot and I think there is a possibility we end up together but I wonder is it wrong to have something like a poligamy type of relationship? There are no examples from the past history so I wonder.

I will try to do my best. At the end of the day I'm very lucky to be a Zevist and having all the spiritual tools I have acces to.

Greetings Brothers and Sister in Zevism
Look up information on Atum it's interesting Atum a God with both sex organs

luis wrote:View source

but I wonder is it wrong to have something like a poligamy type of relationship?

I wanted to write a longer reply, but decided to reply to this part only after all. The ToZ's stance is clear. People, following their nature (or even foolishly going against their nature) and having reached a consensus, are free to choose what they like. When we combine Zevist ethics with the concepts of Izfet and Ma'at, we already have a head start over others. Your questions related to this topic are answered, which is what I have been trying to imply all along.

However, it is important to emphasize the following nature part of this equation because that is where a major stumbling block is. Most people are not really in tune with their nature, which is where the real challenge lies.

MageSurpent666 wrote:View source

Greetings Brothers and Sister in Zevism
Look up information on Atum it's interesting Atum a God with both sex organs

Symbolism is not to be taken literally.