Same sex marriage

Some traumas you cannot see the forest through the trees and requires external help.

MageSurpent666 wrote:View source

This is evidence of Ancient Egypt trans woman union with wife

This is not an evidence of any kind.
First, it's a statue representation, which may not represent the real constitution of a person. Second, most importantly, that statue represents Akhenaten, one of the worst offenders of the Gods, banished from the history of Egypt for his crimes. Pure Izfet manifestation.
What is your goal in sharing these images? What do you want to communicate to us?

MageSurpent666 wrote:View source

Greetings Brothers and Sister in Zevism
Just wanted to bring this to light Love is Love
Hail Zeus Hail Agares

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Ancient Greece Greetings Brothers and Sister in Zevism I apply understanding to this Behavior and finding out that it was acceptable In Ancient Greece to transform ones Self . Freedom with understanding Hail Zeus Hail Baal Hail Agares

MageSurpent666 wrote:View source

Ancient Greece Greetings Brothers and Sister in Zevism I apply understanding to this Behavior and finding out that it was acceptable In Ancient Greece to transform ones Self . Freedom with understanding Hail Zeus Hail Baal Hail Agares

Why don't you provide actual descriptive proof that these are what you say they are? You make constant vague posts and we don't reply because there's nothing tangible to reply to. This isn't your venting forum so please start engaging in actual spiritual topics. These pictures, and us accepting or not accepting trans isn't going to get you closer to a Theosphoros level. Proper practice and involvement in the community with actual helpful posts to help you or others grow and advance is a better route than what youre currently doing.

Better yet, study this post. Once your done, read it again.

https://ancient-forums.com/threads/%CE%94%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%BB%E1%BF%86-%E1%BC%8C%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B1-double-ignorance-of-proclus-when-one-is-ignorant-of-the-fact-that-one-is-ignorant.307745/

Last but not least, please start using proper wording and spelling correctly. Even if English isnt your first language there is no excuse to not revise your post beforehand.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Transgenderism is mental illness it is very clear that the op needs help. Transgenderism should not be promoted here nor should anyone's lifestyle be flaunted or pushed in anyone's face. As for other comments in this post I feel like it's starting to become clear to me that people like me are no longer wanted in these forms anymore. I've detected homophobic sentiments before from members but it was very subtle.

If you want to close your mind off to the fact that homosexuality is not new your minds will blown to know that sappho was actually a lesbian. Where do you think the term sapphic came from?? There's a lot of people here with residual abrahamic programming that think homosexuality is disgusting. There is a difference between that and pushing back against the degenerate lgbtq agenda. My patients only go so far for the latter. See ya.

Beside one comment in this thread, there were no other made against homosexuality.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Transgenderism is mental illness it is very clear that the op needs help. Transgenderism should not be promoted here nor should anyone's lifestyle be flaunted or pushed in anyone's face. As for other comments in this post I feel like it's starting to become clear to me that people like me are no longer wanted in these forms anymore. I've detected homophobic sentiments before from members but it was very subtle.

If you want to close your mind off to the fact that homosexuality is not new your minds will blown to know that sappho was actually a lesbian. Where do you think the term sapphic came from?? There's a lot of people here with residual abrahamic programming that think homosexuality is disgusting. There is a difference between that and pushing back against the degenerate lgbtq agenda. My patients only go so far for the latter. See ya.

The same applies to other topics that are now taboo, although there are exceptions in a very small percentage, so I made the permanent decision that my life and how I want to live it will be completely outside the forum and VT.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Transgenderism is mental illness it is very clear that the op needs help. Transgenderism should not be promoted here nor should anyone's lifestyle be flaunted or pushed in anyone's face. As for other comments in this post I feel like it's starting to become clear to me that people like me are no longer wanted in these forms anymore. I've detected homophobic sentiments before from members but it was very subtle.

If you want to close your mind off to the fact that homosexuality is not new your minds will blown to know that sappho was actually a lesbian. Where do you think the term sapphic came from?? There's a lot of people here with residual abrahamic programming that think homosexuality is disgusting. There is a difference between that and pushing back against the degenerate lgbtq agenda. My patients only go so far for the latter. See ya.

If you're referring to what Ĥl·lĥæ wrote, they are not wrong in the scientific sense.

I could go on but I believe that is suffice to get my point across that they weren't wrong, objectively, to write that.

But you know from being aware of the lgbtq+ that in reality you aren't identified by your sexuality. Why would it matter if there's people here that don't agree with the general view of homosexuality when we want people to cultivate their souls in the first place.

I know at the end of the day you do what you want but I only say the above so you can have a different perspective on things you disagree with.

We aren't here to validate any one's sexuality. We are here to spiritually advance and build a community where anyone can also elevate their soul thru the ToZ practices.

Disagreements as these should be looked at as irrelevant to what the community represents.

People are allowed to have their perceived educated opinions on topics outside of spirituality but at the end of the day we are here to elevate humanity thru the soul.

You know you are always welcomed here as long as you are honest in the approach of what we truly represent.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

You mean other people trying to discount that homosexuality also occurred in history because they think it's gross? It maybe wasn't direct but it was enough to see.

The info from the video doesn't "discount" whatever irrelevant sexual tendencies a part of the population had in ancient times, it provides historical accounts of society at the time, including from Theophoric personalities like Plato; and also because those things:
*Don't matter on a spiritual level - and more often than not either for celibacy or over-sexuality these are used as excuses of pseudo-spirituality and lying about history.
*Don't have any measure in how "abrahamic" someone is. Re-read the Ethics session.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

I've detected homophobic sentiments

So, emotional triggers and not objective judgement - speaking as someone who was also a believer of the inflated claims about sexuality in ancient times propagated by the demoted HPs:
https://ancient-forums.com/threads/%CE%94%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%BB%E1%BF%86-%E1%BC%8C%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B1-double-ignorance-of-proclus-when-one-is-ignorant-of-the-fact-that-one-is-ignorant.307745/

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Yeah just like an imam said once that a woman driving is bad for her ovaries...lmfao

"Mockery is the social tool by which the system polices its members. Laugh at the questioner and you’ve neutralized the question without ever needing to answer it. The Andrapod often laughs first and thinks never."

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Yeah just like an imam said once that a woman driving is bad for her ovaries...lmfao

This has nothing to do with abrahamic biased pseudo science. We are talking about what happens at the cell level when the seed enters the body. This was based on heterosexuals not even homosexuals so your assessment is an odd route.

Instead of showing double ignorance and dismissing it why don't you provide an actual elaborate reply. Or should we go with our feelings when presented with scientific data that contradict these?

I'll give you this much leeway because you are a long term member: for all I know I could be citing something that has been debunked, SCIENTIFICALLY. My opinion is based on what I read so if there is something else to be read about this then I'll be glad to be informed.

But why would I go with the side that responds like you are currently instead of trying to learn from people who are professionals on this?

Seeing this is your response, I feel like i would be wasting my time if I start sourcing this..

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

it's starting to become clear to me that people like me are no longer wanted in these forms anymore. I've detected homophobic sentiments before from members but it was very subtle.

Letting ignorant people get under your skin is not a good path to take. Yes, there are several of them who openly state ignorant comments about sexuality. And then what? Ostracising yourself for that is silly in my opinion when taking into consideration that no alternative Zevist communities exist. At the end of the day, all members are growing, and the human state is dismal, let's not forget that. So yes, of course, there are things that could be said better, could be better not said at all. And yes, a lot of science sucks, and what else. But so what? Let's make it better then.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

You called me ignorant yet there's so many people here that I've seen will try to back something up with science and yet say something else that is claimed to be backed up with science is discredited and doesn't mean anything. Yes indeed there are many things that were claimed You back by science and debunked. One of those was that the DNA from another man stays apart of a woman forever if she has sex. It feels like cherry picking to suit one's biases. If you're saying that this study your claiming is true, was done between heterosexuals what does it indeed have to do with homosexuality.... Which would support my point of..why is another member using it to support that homosexuality is somehow bad.. and that is saying if this study is even authentic in the first place.

I responded the way I did because there's a lot of stuff but I've honestly shut my mouth up about for a long time,As a result I can lash out with great contempt. It's not about you personally specifically or any one person. I lost return to my original post saying that I will not be in these forums anymore.

Yes, there are people in general who hold on to one study to suit their biases and that also can fit onto the Double Ignorance if I am categorizing this correctly. That's a different topic altogether.

I was not trying to make this personal and name call but going based on High Priest's recent post on Double Ignorance and Ài Gōng quoted the exact part I was referring to.

Since you replied in a more respectful manner then I want to show my gratitude (and I don't mean to have added to you being upset) by giving you this quick summary I asked Gemini AI.

I have deleted irrelevant parts that has to do with heterosexual sex for obvious reasons. It'll be under the spoiler. Same disclaimer on the crudeness but medically explanation,

As I said, this is in regards to heterosexuals so that is proof there is no bias against homosexuality. We can only come to the same conclusion happening with homosexuals in regards to the above happening to that area.

Some things are objectively true but, yes, some take the small amount that is enough to manipulate others to believe their biases.

Barbara O'Neil took the above and made it about not just homosexuality being bad in her opinion but trying to only promote sex for procreation.

We need to separate the latter when engaging in these topics and that goes for pros and antis both. The fact that these are the reactions is part of the Epistemot the Yehubor has made. We can't even look into things anymore without someone being insulted and assuming the worst of the person disagreeing or at least having a different opinion.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

Transgenderism is mental illness it is very clear that the op needs help. Transgenderism should not be promoted here nor should anyone's lifestyle be flaunted or pushed in anyone's face. As for other comments in this post I feel like it's starting to become clear to me that people like me are no longer wanted in these forms anymore. I've detected homophobic sentiments before from members but it was very subtle.

If you want to close your mind off to the fact that homosexuality is not new your minds will blown to know that sappho was actually a lesbian. Where do you think the term sapphic came from?? There's a lot of people here with residual abrahamic programming that think homosexuality is disgusting. There is a difference between that and pushing back against the degenerate lgbtq agenda. My patients only go so far for the latter. See ya.

I believe it is a chosen path I work For The God's and I walk in my own endeavors not yours or anybody else

Kuka wrote:View source

LOL

it is not, the promiscuity, which has in scientific literature the ghetto term MSM (Men who have Sex with Men) tends to bring higher rates of STDs
This is only of the few problems, for the rest it's just sex nothing else.

Unions are not acts of Lust but through understanding of each other mate and the only reason for not understanding is the blindness of the Yehober.Hail Zeus Hail Baal Hail Agares

Ài Gōng wrote:View source

The info from the video doesn't "discount" whatever irrelevant sexual tendencies a part of the population had in ancient times, it provides historical accounts of society at the time, including from Theophoric personalities like Plato; and also because those things:
*Don't matter on a spiritual level - and more often than not either for celibacy or over-sexuality these are used as excuses of pseudo-spirituality and lying about history.
*Don't have any measure in how "abrahamic" someone is. Re-read the Ethics session.

So, emotional triggers and not objective judgement - speaking as someone who was also a believer of the inflated claims about sexuality in ancient times propagated by the demoted HPs:
https://ancient-forums.com/threads/%CE%94%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%BB%E1%BF%86-%E1%BC%8C%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B1-double-ignorance-of-proclus-when-one-is-ignorant-of-the-fact-that-one-is-ignorant.307745/

"Mockery is the social tool by which the system polices its members. Laugh at the questioner and you’ve neutralized the question without ever needing to answer it. The Andrapod often laughs first and thinks never."

So what is your own opinion on homosexuality? The sexual etichs are clear. I can belive that homosexuality in history has been inflated especially Greeks but at the end of the day what matter to me is how does TOZ views these things?

To me it makes sense that transgenderism is a illness of the mind that needs to be healed. If you are born in a way it does not makes sense you want to be something else. You can do it but its not healthy for the mind. This is my take on it and I thing most would agree, in any case here we do accept people that are transgenders but meditations and healing exist on TOZ to heal this thing.

What about homosexuality? As a gay men (lately found out I'm bisexual actually after a round of Advanced Purifications but I never had a sexual experience with a women) I can see It's not something I can easily change, I'm attracted to other guys and to the sexual practices you do with a guy. But I wonder, is it okay? Natural? Like a fetish? Or it's totally okay for me to be gay and live my life with a guy? I'm asking myself these questions lately, I know it's a huge topic and I know our Sexual Etichs but I wish @High Priest Zevios Metathronos would talk about it, sexuality is a HUGE part of our existence and I don't want to wake up one day and thing I made the wrong "choises".

I'm very open to discuss this, we are all here to advance.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

You mean other people trying to discount that homosexuality also occurred in history because they think it's gross? It maybe wasn't direct but it was enough to see. Like I said it's not the first time that I've noticed these sentiments. I know the ethics in the Temple of Zeus and the Gods themselves have no issues with homosexuality. I should hope this wouldn't change anyway, yet many things already have. Honestly for the past year and a half or so, there are many things that have made me wince hence my life of participation in the forums as a whole. I can still attempt to commune with the Gods and focus on my own evolution without having a group of people to do so. I've been alone for most of my life anyway and I'm used to it, and it's probably for the better.

Many times, you have came on the live platform while you were having some troubles with your girlfriend and everyone were kind, supportive and respectful with you. Yes, there are people that have a different opinion about homosexuality. I don’t see much messages here about those people.

And for the alone part, this is only on your own decision. Nobody rejected you anywhere.

Did I miss an update? Weren't all 3 sexual orientations normal traits the soul keeps throughout lifetimes?

This critical commentary on the way some people have intercourse is very disrespectful to our Brothers and Sisters of this nature. This shouldn't be of anyone's concern and it's unbelievable to me that it's being used as an argument. It's not valid, because during heterosexual sex too, even when both partners are healthy, unpleasant biological effects can occur (vaginal irritation and microtears, temporary swelling, spotting, pelvic cramps, etc). By these people's logic, heterosexual sex isn't healthy either, and all forms of intercourse are gross.

Bluecollarbutch666 wrote:

I can still attempt to commune with the Gods and focus on my own evolution without having a group of people to do so. I've been alone for most of my life anyway and I'm used to it, and it's probably for the better.

Hello. Don't let yourself be pushed into decisions about the Temple by people who don't speak for the Temple.

luis wrote:View source

So what is your own opinion on homosexuality? The sexual etichs are clear. I can belive that homosexuality in history has been inflated especially Greeks but at the end of the day what matter to me is how does TOZ views these things?

To me it makes sense that transgenderism is a illness of the mind that needs to be healed. If you are born in a way it does not makes sense you want to be something else. You can do it but its not healthy for the mind. This is my take on it and I thing most would agree, in any case here we do accept people that are transgenders but meditations and healing exist on TOZ to heal this thing.

What about homosexuality? As a gay men (lately found out I'm bisexual actually after a round of Advanced Purifications but I never had a sexual experience with a women) I can see It's not something I can easily change, I'm attracted to other guys and to the sexual practices you do with a guy. But I wonder, is it okay? Natural? Like a fetish? Or it's totally okay for me to be gay and live my life with a guy? I'm asking myself these questions lately, I know it's a huge topic and I know our Sexual Etichs but I wish @High Priest Zevios Metathronos would talk about it, sexuality is a HUGE part of our existence and I don't want to wake up one day and thing I made the wrong "choises".

I'm very open to discuss this, we are all here to advance.

It has been said and written so many times already. Why do you seek confirmation or validation when this is already laid out? You can live your life anyway.

Nikólaos666 wrote:View source

Many times, you have came on the live platform while you were having some troubles with your girlfriend and everyone were kind, supportive and respectful with you. Yes, there are people that have a different opinion about homosexuality. I don’t see much messages here about those people.

And for the alone part, this is only on your own decision. Nobody rejected you anywhere.

Sexuality is HUGE part of someones life. Having problems with it of any kinds, can make you unable to advance spiritually. So since its so important we as a community should refrain to make negative statements. We have our sexual etichs that says it's okay to engage in any sexual activity between consenting adults, we only deny pedofilia, bestiality and so on.

If we as a Spiritual religion belive homosexuality is something that needs to be healed then @High Priest Zevios Metathronos should make a statement about it, like it was said about transgenderism. Again sexuality is a huge part of somones life and we should know whats best to do.