Regarding Elements ( questioning my experience)

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

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You can tell what kind of element you are dominant in by looking at your natal chart. Every planet is in a certain sign, and every sign has an element assigned to it. On astro.com when you do your chart, it will be conveniently marked in colors. Blue is water, green is earth, red is fire, yellow is air. You are dominant in the element that you have the most planets in.

In general, if something feels good to you then that's a positive sign. Just make sure to regularly take a few days break between element invocations and observe closely what effects it has on you. Element stuff can often show hours or days later, so taking breaks will ensure you dont overwhelm yourself with any particular element.

Shael wrote:

I'll definitely try the natal chart method and see what it says. I am probably the least experienced person in the world for astrology, though, and only once got my natal chart done but couldn't understand a thing in it. I know that planets and stars rule probably everything but never took much of an interest other than some astronomy from books, I do find it interesting, just have no idea what it means when I stare at it.
I was also considering getting my chart done by HP Zevios like some others have done to reveal more about myself and learn what might be my problem in not feeling energy easily and having such a hard time evolving, but I tried to read someone else's chart when it was done and didn't get a thing.. :/ it'd be like reading the ToZ in Hiragana Kanji.

For this reason I always trusted my own intuition more than anything. Does it feel good? Bad? Wait a few days and see if something happens. And yeah, I studied HP Pythia's webpages over and over and over to make sure I didn't miss something that I would have previously read but didn't understand, and always use extreme respect when using Elements, giving them time to settle so I don't mix effects.

Thanks for your help, I'll check on the website you gave me and see what I discover.

HAIL ZEUS!

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

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Go here https://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw& and click the guest user thing that says "click here to go to data entry page".

Then, enter some random name (do not give those guys your real name) or combination of numbers, and enter the rest of your birth information. Birth-time is also important here. If you do not know your time of birth, ask your parents, or if needed drive to the hospital you were born at and ask them instead.
After you have entered everything, click "continue". What you will see afterwards, should look something like this:

Now, direct your attention towards this:

This table shows the elemental distribution of the chart. The randomly generated test-person here has 5 planets in fire signs, 1 planet in an air sign, 3 planets in an earth sign, and 1 planet in a water sign. The second symbol in the water row is "chiron", which isnt a planet and can be ignored. Anyways, we can tell by this that this person is dominant in fire.

I want to work on the elements again, but it feels like I'm confused as to how what I am experiencing is legit and what is an enemy attack. After some thought and studying I canme across what seem to be effective ways to deal with the elements in my body and how they act out in my body, but this lead to what I feel as manipulations. I always wondered that if handling the elements could effect us dangerously why not affirm the opposite to happen. Then it wouldn't matter how many breath ls of an element you take back of said affirmation before hand.

This brought me to more meditation, but then I ended up feeling and seemingly becocame manipulated that these experience s bleeds overy everywhere else into my life which started to affect me negatively. So I accustomed it all with attack. But with meditation it's like I wanna continue but all else is attack and attack. Don't know what to do?

Shael wrote:

Dude, Thank You so much. I had asked about my chart yesterday after I managed to get it to work and understand enough of it, but the topic was not approved as I had put some personal details (just the planets and elements) in it.

Yet, you answered my questions before I ask again in a less personal manner. Awesome job!

So the "chiron" isn't a planet? I also saw there's something called "true node" that I have no idea what it is, as well as "AC" and "MC". Looking at the chart I guess they're just like a cardinal point reference or something, that it doesn't define the person like the Planets do.

Anyway, I found my dominant Element is completely different than the one I thought it'd be. And, question.. I'm a bit worried as I found there is a completely missing Element in my chart (there's only the "chiron" one on it but nothing else).

Does that mean I am extremely weak to that Element? Cause I think it's the only one I actually managed to feel and even get 'too much of' so far. Never had a problem like that with any other Element or whatever energy I absorbed at all. Just that.
Should I increase my tolerance towards it by absorbing it more? I have zero problems breathing in and holding great quantities of my DOMINANT one, it's kind of pleasurable if anything. I'm also thinking of (now that I know which one that is) to use the dominant Element to stimulate my chakras taking things a step further since I still don't feel many chakras.

(There, I don't think I can ask the same questions again without revealing LESS than this about myself lol. Please approve the post this time, thank you Brother/Sister.)

HAIL ZEUS!

Does this signify your balance and tolerance for elements starting off?
I have a majority in earth(4 planets) then air with (3 planets)
Does this mean I can tolerate more of earth and air?
On the other hand I have the least in fire (2 planets) and water (1 planet) .
Does this mean I should prioritize on building tolerance by invoking fire and water more?

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Some other time, after I had invoked Earth, I'd perform heavy physical tasks without feeling any fatigue at all, feeling stronger and healthier. Maybe the definition would be "like a tree", if that makes any sense.

Dayym, I have never worked with the elements yet. Seems like I'm missing out by the sound of it. Thanks, mate!

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

So the "chiron" isn't a planet? I also saw there's something called "true node" that I have no idea what it is, as well as "AC" and "MC". Looking at the chart I guess they're just like a cardinal point reference or something, that it doesn't define the person like the Planets do.

To be honest I don't actually know. When it comes to the terminology of astrology, I have very very little knowledge on it. All I know is that HC and Lydia never said anything about Chiron in their readings for me, which is why I'm pretty sure it can be disregarded.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Anyway, I found my dominant Element is completely different than the one I thought it'd be. And, question.. I'm a bit worried as I found there is a completely missing Element in my chart (there's only the "chiron" one on it but nothing else).

Does that mean I am extremely weak to that Element? Cause I think it's the only one I actually managed to feel and even get 'too much of' so far. Never had a problem like that with any other Element or whatever energy I absorbed at all. Just that.

I also have an element I have next to no planets in, and it makes me feel shitty when I invoke it. I think the best thing to do there is just to keep working on yourself. You can also invoke very small quantities of it and try to feel it more deeply, maybe even write down what you feel in a blackbook. I would theorize that these elements make us feel bad because they trigger some weaknesses/traumas we have, so working on yourself and cleaning these may also make you more tolerant to the element.

Length wrote:

I want to work on the elements again, but it feels like I'm confused as to how what I am experiencing is legit and what is an enemy attack. After some thought and studying I canme across what seem to be effective ways to deal with the elements in my body and how they act out in my body, but this lead to what I feel as manipulations. I always wondered that if handling the elements could effect us dangerously why not affirm the opposite to happen. Then it wouldn't matter how many breath ls of an element you take back of said affirmation before hand.

This brought me to more meditation, but then I ended up feeling and seemingly becocame manipulated that these experience s bleeds overy everywhere else into my life which started to affect me negatively. So I accustomed it all with attack. But with meditation it's like I wanna continue but all else is attack and attack. Don't know what to do?

Typing Error. I meant to say that if you could affirm the opposite of any negative affects that the elements gives you(why not?), then it wouldn't matter how many breaths you take of the elements when you meditate. Also, when dealing with anything such as the elements, I think it's safe to take in perspective all aspects and sense of the particular element and how it affects you personally. Breaking the elements down in variety of fashion, you could meditate and see where it is your lacking in a specific element and where the block is in the sense of the particular element in your body.

Example: With fire. You meditate. How could you be burned or hurt yourself with your own power? Sounds like a fairytale that you couldn't affirm that the element of fire isn't affecting you in any negative way. But then let's say you meditate on it. You can feel and are sensitive any other time to energy, enemy attacks, so what the fuck is going on? Doesn't make sense right? So then why not ask yourself whats wrong? What part, organ, or piece of body, mind, and soul is blocked, affected, or in use and control of the element of fire. Take in perspective the compass as well as above and below has variety of affects, as well as the other direction and any angle of any particular thing.

It doesn't make sense to empower onself, then to be met with a serious ailment or effect, to which you then stop all together and don't meditate at all.

My experiences lead me to this, but then it felt like extreme manipulation back to back, then I'd stop, caved in, to which I couldn't make sense. Not sure whether enemy attack or whatever. Meditation...

Apprentice wrote:

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Almost wish I was you just to feel the surprise when the Elements actually start to feel like something lol.

And I say 'almost' because for the last few days I have given this another shot and it started to 'definitely feel' like something, giving me effects, even not so pleasurable ones but when experimenting I'm happy to feel anything as long as I can learn.
My personal advice, be careful with them, definitely DON'T try to add breaths when you feel nothing, if you never tried them before.

Chances are you have a pretty good idea what Elements you either like more (and feel like using more then) and what Elements you lack or don't feel particularly fond of right now. With these energies I personally think it's best to use your guts and trust your body/mind to read the reaction to them and move from there accordingly.

Also, I never used the 'safe' method described in the website but always retained the elements to understand them the best I could.

And, like Brother Shael said too, wait a few days before moving on to another element, just be aware of the effects of the last one you absorbed on yourself before mixing energies with another one. I'm waiting next week to change and see which feels more useful.

Do let me know what happens! :)

HAIL ZEUS!

Length wrote:

I want to work on the elements again, but it feels like I'm confused as to how what I am experiencing is legit and what is an enemy attack. After some thought and studying I canme across what seem to be effective ways to deal with the elements in my body and how they act out in my body, but this lead to what I feel as manipulations. I always wondered that if handling the elements could effect us dangerously why not affirm the opposite to happen. Then it wouldn't matter how many breath ls of an element you take back of said affirmation before hand.

This brought me to more meditation, but then I ended up feeling and seemingly becocame manipulated that these experience s bleeds overy everywhere else into my life which started to affect me negatively. So I accustomed it all with attack. But with meditation it's like I wanna continue but all else is attack and attack. Don't know what to do?

I find that an hour or 2 after a good aura of protection ritual or an Ritual, the enemy attacks are much less severe. Perhaps try working with your elements during this grace period. At least 15 minutes after the prior ritual should suffice.

Heedful wrote:

Does this signify your balance and tolerance for elements starting off?
I have a majority in earth(4 planets) then air with (3 planets)
Does this mean I can tolerate more of earth and air?
On the other hand I have the least in fire (2 planets) and water (1 planet) .
Does this mean I should prioritize on building tolerance by invoking fire and water more?

MY personal advice? Work with them all. Since the human soul is made up of all Elements, we shouldn't consider any of them less important than the others. In my opinion, balance with the Elements can only be achieved by using them all.
One thing I don't NECESSARILY suggest: try not to move from one opposite Element to the other. Like say you're done absorbing and experimenting with Earth, don't go to Air, choose either Fire or Water. The reason is because most of the time in my experience with them I felt I 'wanted' to just get away from the Element I had been working with... after absorbing LOTS of it so maybe that's why it gets a bit too much almost every time.. (I may not feel their 'energies', but they do cause some effects, behavioural, emotional, psychological, and so on). If you "counter" Earth with Air, for example, changes are you'll feel completely different but that may also mean you're just neutralizing Earth with its opposite to ease the effort. By moving to Fire or Water after Earth (let some time pass as you'll need to readapt to your normal self) you don't focus too much on how much it's been different since the last Element you absorbed.

THAT SAID.... you MAY want to always absorb the opposite after the one you've been working on just to see how it feels completely different. I'm used to doing this as I don't feel as much as I'd like to, so by "jumping from the sauna to the frozen lake" kinda works best for me and makes it easier to adapt. But that's me. Just wanted to point out this observation.
Never forget to give yourself time between one Element and the other, anyway. If they wouldn't be the strongest energies I know I wouldn't recommend it, but they are. (This is why I've been working probably like 60-70% of my time meditating with Elements alone.)

Hope that helps.

HAIL ZEUS!

Shael wrote:

I also have an element I have next to no planets in, and it makes me feel shitty when I invoke it. I think the best thing to do there is just to keep working on yourself. You can also invoke very small quantities of it and try to feel it more deeply, maybe even write down what you feel in a blackbook. I would theorize that these elements make us feel bad because they trigger some weaknesses/traumas we have, so working on yourself and cleaning these may also make you more tolerant to the element.

I find that strange.. I mean, at FIRST I thought (when I was a newbie thirsty for information) that we are the weakest to the Element we're NOT used to, and so that the one Element the natal chart would reveal to be close to missing or missing would be the one that causes the most notable effect on us.

Then I read another file ("Satanic Grimoire of Black Magick" from the gentilenation website https://www.gentilenation.com/the-ToZ-witchcraft-pdfs.html ) and it says the exact opposite:

Take the fire person. People who are predominantly fire are usually what is known as "Type A" personalities. These are the achievers. They are often the ones who have limitless energy, enthusiasm; they are normally self-centered, dominating, easy to anger, and impatient. Fire types are prone to high blood pressure, heart ailments, they have low tolerance for hot temperatures, and they themselves are often physically hot, even in cold weather. They are normally outgoing, in positions of leadership, and are on the downside, insensitive to the feelings and needs of others.

Take the fire element. Given the low tolerance for fire, the fire individual will not be able to effectively absorb the element.

On a lesser level, visualizing an aura of fire about the fire individual or directing the fire element into him/her can cause discomfort and rage and in higher amounts- death.

This clearly says how the overimbalance of one's Element (so the one one has the most Planets in I guess) IS the weakness to exploit in Black Magick, not the other way around (by assuming that the Element that's missing the most is susceptible to someone else's working).

YET it seems we both feel stronger effects (the shitty kind here too, let me tell you that) by absorbing the Element we have the LEAST of in the chart. :?

The way I interpret this is pretty simple:

if the one we have the LEAST of gives us the MOST effect, than I guess it's safe to assume that our body/mind/soul is getting some real food for growth.

I'm going to keep that up then, but, like you said, with very small amounts and using it in the most 'gentle' manner. Overdoing it will just create more confusion and possibly problems. And actually, I just a couple days found out (the day I also saw my weird and unexpected natal chart) that when I projected the missing Element in my chakras to "gently nudge" them, surprisingly enough it started to nudge them right away.. worked so much better than with even Fire, which I used before to unlock chakras with pitiful results and couldn't feel a thing.

I also used the Element I have an overimbalance of, and I COULD feel it at work.. but I have to repeat that to make sure it wasn't the other one still playing it's effect.

HAIL ZEUS!

PS. This thread is getting really interesting! :o I can safely say that I begun FEELING energy since I joined this AMAZING Forum! :D

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Almost wish I was you just to feel the surprise when the Elements actually start to feel like something lol.

I bet you would! LOL
I haven't had the chance yet to get my feet wet so to speak but it's coming. Soon.
I thought I'd start from the Element I have the least of. I plan to start with probably 2-3 reps and leave a couple of days after the first session for my systems to adapt. If this small amount doesn't feel like anything, I can always taper up later.
This thread is informative and interesting, especially because we are both new to the Elements.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

I can safely say that I begun FEELING energy since I joined this AMAZING Forum!

:lol: LOL I'm happy for you.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Just had to chuckle at that. :D I started studying and using the Elements like in 2003 I think

You're the man! Dayym. Respect. Back then I had just stopped chasing girls and settled down. LOL.

Today I feel kinda clueless about the both of us. What was it that you said? You invoked Fire, other dude felt you were burning hot yet you felt nothing. Do we really need to push the envelope with everything just to feel something? Or are we desensitized?

Regarding heat, yesterday we were driving with my wife, I had the heater set on quite high. At one moment she felt too hot and asked me to dial it down. I was like, what are you talking about, I'm comfy? Yet I can't share wool blanket with her at night because then I feel like I'm on fire. I sleep under a normal, thin blanket. She tells me that I'm hot like a stove when I'm sleeping. Go figure.

So I'm thinking, where is my Elemental imbalance in the here&now? Online services give me the Elemental breakdown at my birth. Is it possible that, when life happens, your personality changes and so does the balance of Elements? Some years ago I started a full body gym training (lifting weights and light cardio), 3 times a week. At first I was full of enthusiasm, shed some unnecessary fat tissue and felt great. I usually came home from gym and did some physical household work. After a year or so my enthusiasm faded, I started feeling low on energy. My training scheme and diet were compiled by a professional natural bodybuilder who has university degree in physical culture. At first I suspected the diet which was low on carbs but, in addition to that, I obviously forgot the fact that I should have been resting and chilling every day following the workout. I didn't do that. I worked my ass off and I had the energy. Now I don't feel like that anymore. Not enough Earth? Life patterns also changed and now I can't easily find the time to visit gym regularly.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

but chances are you never really spent much time replicating the sensation with your mind only.

As a matter of fact, I have. Many times. The things I needed in my life, I always used replicating sensations to dream about them, attract them and make them mine. Examples: first test drive with a vehicle I needed, brief moments playing with a new mobile phone in store. I once lost my folding pocket knife while trimming lawn. I replicated the sensations (vision, weight in the hand, surface texture, sharpness etc), went into kind of light trance while walking and found it within 5 minutes.

Apprentice wrote:

Back then I had just stopped chasing girls and settled down. LOL.

:lol: I wish I had stopped doing that even earlier.. such a waste of time. I should have taken way more seriously the practice of "feeling" little things, and also Runes and mantras (which I always kind of avoided, didn't feel very confident in using my voice at all), which would have possibly worked better and let me advance and feel something. But nevermind that, no time like the present, right? :)

She tells me that I'm hot like a stove when I'm sleeping. Go figure.

So I'm thinking, where is my Elemental imbalance in the here&now? Online services give me the Elemental breakdown at my birth. Is it possible that, when life happens, your personality changes and so does the balance of Elements?

I don't think you're wrong here. Thought the same.

When I saw my chart I was like.. WTF is this? Didn't expect that at all. It looked like someone else's chart, not mine. I dig the Air thing being strong, makes sense seeing what kind of skills I could manage to use, but completely lacking in Earth? So WHY do I feel it more than anything else when invoked?

Probably, at the moment of birth, we have pretty much exactly what we had the last moment of the previous life, so "at birth" I had too much of this and too little of that. But THEN I got into Elemental magick and absorbed/used a lot of it, so it very probably changed me. Meaning, the chart probably shouldn't be taken too literally. I feel that I have NOW a good enough balance of Fire and Water, but that I have no problems absorbing MORE Air, while in theory I should.
Brother Shael said the same thing (think I mentioned him before too), his lowest Element is the one that feels shitty, not the highest.

Thinking of your ability to stand strong heat and being "like a stove" at night, I don't know dude. I think it probably means that we can stand our Fire without too much of a hassle, that we're above average with it. Someone here in the other post suggested I try to do the "extinguish the candle flame" as they think, by having this much energy, I should be able. I never really tried that much, I managed to make the flame "react" to me, "dancing" in circles with no air current in the room, I "lightly" moved the object with TK, and thought I had managed telekinesis one day doing the spinning paper wheel exercise but then I closed the door and understood I simply used the air present (it would stop when I stopped, start when I wanted it to, the air in the house was still).

Maybe you can try the extinguishing the flame exercise and see what happens? If nothing else, it will serve as a great exercise for increasing your tunnel focus. Our thoughts are normally pretty scattered and everywhere.. imagine each of the hundred thoughts have 1% of power. The result would be pretty shit, right? But if we focus it all on the task, bam... task completed. And honestly, I find this kind of focus to be probably the hardest thing to accomplish (maybe because I'm Air... :lol: my head lives in the clouds.)

As for the bodybuilding thing and getting low on energy, you're probably right on the lacking Earth. From what I understand, Fire "makes you go all in" but Earth is the one that "keeps you going". If you use up all the Fire it's no surprise your overdrive will not last very long.

That said, have you already tried the Earth meditation? How'd it go?

As a matter of fact, I have. Many times. The things I needed in my life, I always used replicating sensations to dream about them, attract them and make them mine. Examples: first test drive with a vehicle I needed, brief moments playing with a new mobile phone in store. I once lost my folding pocket knife while trimming lawn. I replicated the sensations (vision, weight in the hand, surface texture, sharpness etc), went into kind of light trance while walking and found it within 5 minutes.

I get what you mean. I usually do this too and it works wonders. Probably as greater "thinkers" than others (Air is the intellect principle according to HP Pythia) we have a better ability/are more used to deal with thoughts in a fluid way, being available to.. let's say, rewind and forward them, split them into shorter and more detailed memories, perhaps.
Do you ever have a train of thoughts, forget how it all started, try to remember by thinking "backwards" and finding the thought that triggered the train? I can't remember a time I failed doing this, I'd get really pissed if I did forget lol.

HAIL FATHER ZEUS AND THE POWERS OF HELL!!!!

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

:lol: I wish I had stopped doing that even earlier.. such a waste of time. I should have taken way more seriously the practice of "feeling" little things, and also Runes and mantras (which I always kind of avoided, didn't feel very confident in using my voice at all), which would have possibly worked better and let me advance and feel something. But nevermind that, no time like the present, right? :)

In retrospect, I wish I stopped being a materialistic NPC and discovered this or that earlier but the question is, would I have appreciated all this back then? I think I can now appreciate things that happen with me as a result of power meditations and energy work.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

And honestly, I find this kind of focus to be probably the hardest thing to accomplish (maybe because I'm Air... :lol: my head lives in the clouds.)

I have intermittent problems with laser-like focus. Sometimes I'm able, other times not really. IMO this boils down to personal discipline and practicing Void. I sometimes have to tell myself that all the thoughts that pop up during a ritual will be dealt with later.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

That said, have you already tried the Earth meditation? How'd it go?

I took a 3-hour deep nap today after lunch so I'm all set and gonna do it tonite. This may well be the thing I've been waiting for. I'm excited. Will keep you posted ;)
And yes, I remember to deliberately STOP the invocation of the Element after set number of inhales has been reached.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Do you ever have a train of thoughts, forget how it all started, try to remember by thinking "backwards" and finding the thought that triggered the train? I can't remember a time I failed doing this, I'd get really pissed if I did forget lol.

This is one of those 'one thought leads to another' type of situations, right? I mostly can retrace my steps, reverse-engineer the final thought so-to-speak, but not always.

The bodybuilding thing started to dwindle not only because I felt I can't perform three times a week with 12 to 14 hour workdays but also because my professional life changed. The gym is some 30 miles from my home so it's not financially reasonable to drive that distance just to go to the gym, you know. Later I started combining many errands together in order to make the drive worthwhile and spent half a day in town. Also the situation changed in that I needed to get back home from town ASAP to do more time-critical work. Proper 'all in' workout took me approx. 2 hours, changing and shower included. I just couldn't afford that anymore timewise not to mention the exhaustion. Before those life changes, I performed like a champ for at least 12 months. In retrospect, I can say that I'm definitely low on that Element. I used up the scraps I had and lost my stamina. I also developed an especially nasty aversion to all kinds of routine menial chores. These are all clear-cut signs... if you can only read them. With the knowledge we have here at ToZ, I think I can rebuild myself and that's good news for me.
Take care, brother.

Apprentice wrote:

In retrospect, I wish I stopped being a materialistic NPC and discovered this or that earlier but the question is, would I have appreciated all this back then? I think I can now appreciate things that happen with me as a result of power meditations and energy work.

That's probably a very closely related matter. If I were able to appreciate all this knowledge, consciousness, understanding of how close Father and the Gods actually are to us, willingly work much harder back then, I'd very probably have ignored all that didn't have a thing to do with being a Zevist. I guess there's a time for studying knowledge, a time for having it without applying it yet, and a time to decide there's nothing more valuable and give it our all.

I have intermittent problems with laser-like focus. Sometimes I'm able, other times not really. IMO this boils down to personal discipline and practicing Void. I sometimes have to tell myself that all the thoughts that pop up during a ritual will be dealt with later.

It works pretty much the same here. I'd sit down, give it all I've got and reach nothing. Then another time I'd try with a more moderate effort (perhaps more naturally then) and observe visions that may or may not make sense for me. But I completely agre on the Void meditation to be the one to go for to improve these results. (Did I already say I find the Void meditation to be the absolutely hardest thing in all Zevists?)

I remember to deliberately STOP the invocation of the Element after set number of inhales has been reached.

Quick thought. IF this still will be not enough to stop absorbing the Element unawarely, maybe we could make sure that we perform some other working, right after, directing/projecting energy instead? Just to program the aura to send instead of receiving. Suddenly, the "safer" method in the ToZ makes more sense. I guess HP Pythia already noticed that unaware absorption when she was practicing with Elements the first bunch of times.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Do you ever have a train of thoughts, forget how it all started, try to remember by thinking "backwards" and finding the thought that triggered the train? I can't remember a time I failed doing this, I'd get really pissed if I did forget lol.

This is one of those 'one thought leads to another' type of situations, right? I mostly can retrace my steps, reverse-engineer the final thought so-to-speak, but not always.

The 30 miles journey just to get to the gym sounds like too much wasted time driving (plus gas cost and whatnot), and when you have a busier workload it's certainly not easy to keep up time consuming habits, healthy that they may be. Have you tried just working out at home? Just an hour a day (or a little more every other day/couple days) could do you wonders and surely grant you more time to work out instead of driving. There's more than a bunch of tutorials and sets of exercises all over the internet now, no need for expensive machines that require too much space for in the house or a personal trainer. You can even integrate Yoga in the workout, something that's sometimes frowned upon in gym (because you don't "work hard" in Yoga... pfff).

From my understanding, though, Earth lacking is what in the end causes one to suffer from either too much fatigue/low energy or lack of self discipline (not your case this one), so perhaps you could try and apply the Earth to the material side of your training, if you feel like it would help. Just an idea though, personally I'd do Yoga every available moment lol. Sometimes at work I go outside where trucks pass and do the Cobra asana under the Sun when no one's there to ask silly questions.
Time can surely be difficult to manage anyway. Do what you can, and if you see good effects, keep it up.

You too take care, Brother.

HAIL FATHER ZEUS AND THE POWERS OF HELL!!!!

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

4 everyday? Wow.. how long does it take for you to do 4? I'm always torn on how long I will do each vibration.

Approx. 50 minutes. It is said that you don't have to exactly vibrate those words, just learn to speak them like HPS Pythia in her audio file.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

So you didn't get a headache in the slightest when doing that?

Absolutely not. I felt pretty okay, slightly different and better than "normal" level so far but nothing groundbreaking. No muscle pain either. I worked in the garden that day a bit with a chainsaw and felt great, no exhaustion.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

As for the rotation, it may simply be something you experienced from the 'being inhabitated' by Earth energy, strong as it is it probably had that effect on you (instead of the much less preferable 'sore muscles' as I did).

Dunno man. Like I said, it took place between reality and falling asleep and while rotating, I saw some 'footage' with closed eyes, pretty similar to the scenery rushing by if you rotate yourself in the real world with open eyes. It may have something to do with opening the 6th meditation and empowering the 6th.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

Said the guy who couldn't feel. :D I'm really glad for you, man.

LOL. Thanks, yup, I'm finally feeling something VERY REAL.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

That MAY have something to do with unaware absorption. I experienced that before when working with Earth and doing heavier than normal tasks in the garden, the Earth would make me work harder and pump me full of strength to the point I wasn't getting any tired if I tried to. Elements ARE powerful.

I felt as if the air I inhaled made the Fire burn hotter, just like in the real world. If I didn't breathe deeply anymore, the Fire settled back down.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

That may very well have to do with Fire. It makes you "active" and strong willed and positive. Laughing is a display of power and strong confidence, so good job there! ;)

It has happened to me before. Back then it felt that someone (my GD?) was joyous and also tried to cheer me up because I had just realised another piece of my puzzle. I had to take a break from doing Ritual just to laugh it all out :D.

Satan_is_our_Father666 wrote:

We're all here to work together and learn from each other, Brother.

Damn right. I still appreciate the possibility of communicating with you and all others here. Before coming to ToZ, I felt like I'm going to lose it. Imagine feeling like this for 10-15 years?

Today, the effects of Fire are tuned down a bit. It may be that Water reacted. No depression though. I don't feel exhilarated like yesterday but I still feel that something has definitely changed. I'm shaken away from the old path of thoughts and feelings and my body can withstand cold better. Also, the area of 6th and Pineal ache today. Yesterday there was no ache.

Heil Satan!