Question regarding cat vaccination.

Vaccines for cats are safe. They have not used cat vaccines as weapons, the way they have with human vaccines. It is a good idea, because it is common for cats to get sick.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

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Username wrote:

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Please read: https://catinfo.org/vaccines-for-cats-we-need-to-stop-overvaccinating/

As you describe with your vet visit, the industry tries to act like pets' immune systems are wildly different than humans, particularly in regard to their memory. This is not true, but this serves as the basis for vaccinating your cat yearly when they don't need it.

That is good that you feed your cat good food. Just make sure it is balanced and contains enough water. One has to replicate everything a cat gets from a bird or mouse. Canned wet food is a good substitute for those lack the time to make their food. Dry food and treats should not be used at all, if possible.

There are pros and cons to keeping the cat indoors. Some of the cons include her not getting fresh air and sun, time alone from a noisy house, or the entertainment value of the outdoors. In addition, less time will be needed to play with them or clean their litter box.

Pros include not having to spay/neuter or vaccinate the cat, and probably no need to put flea and tick medicine either. In addition, while it is good for them to eat natural food, occasionally they can get parasites that require OTC medicine application.

The best of both worlds would include some sort of balcony or cat box that can be placed in a window.

I would recommend all cat owners read the entirety of catinfo.org. Do not forget that acupuncture for pets is quickly growing and available in many places.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Vaccines for cats are safe. They have not used cat vaccines as weapons, the way they have with human vaccines. It is a good idea, because it is common for cats to get sick.

Blitzkreig wrote:

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

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Username wrote:

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Please read: https://catinfo.org/vaccines-for-cats-we-need-to-stop-overvaccinating/

As you describe with your vet visit, the industry tries to act like pets' immune systems are wildly different than humans, particularly in regard to their memory. This is not true, but this serves as the basis for vaccinating your cat yearly when they don't need it.

That is good that you feed your cat good food. Just make sure it is balanced and contains enough water. One has to replicate everything a cat gets from a bird or mouse. Canned wet food is a good substitute for those lack the time to make their food. Dry food and treats should not be used at all, if possible.

There are pros and cons to keeping the cat indoors. Some of the cons include her not getting fresh air and sun, time alone from a noisy house, or the entertainment value of the outdoors. In addition, less time will be needed to play with them or clean their litter box.

Pros include not having to spay/neuter or vaccinate the cat, and probably no need to put flea and tick medicine either. In addition, while it is good for them to eat natural food, occasionally they can get parasites that require OTC medicine application.

The best of both worlds would include some sort of balcony or cat box that can be placed in a window.

I would recommend all cat owners read the entirety of catinfo.org. Do not forget that acupuncture for pets is quickly growing and available in many places.

I thank you both for your time, patience and answer. I will consider and give it thought before I decide.
Thank you.

Dark Lawyer wrote:

High Priestess Pythia wrote that you need dry food as well as wet: "Cats DO need their dry food. Good dry cat food contains nutrients that are essential for cats, that a cat cannot obtain from a meat only diet."

(https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12318)

High Priestess Shannon recommended this site:

https://www.allthebestpetcare.com/products/conscientiously-sourced-pet-foods/

(https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=691)

I found the Farmina N&D dry food brand on allthebestpetcare, my cat loves it. Her wet food is organic Herrmann's menu. Full menu, so lots of good quality meat and the right ratio of fruit/veggies. Reward snack for now is the American brand Temptations, recommended by a forum member here.

(https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12094&p=187195&hilit=Temptations#p187195)

Just to be clear, HPS Pythia was comparing dry food versus meat. In this case, the dry food has been supplemented with nutrients besides just animal meat. Cats eat more than animal meat, rather they eat the whole mouse, including the organs, skin, fur, bones, and so on. Therefore, giving them just chicken breast is not suitable.

However, commercial wet food, which is more than just meat, contains a well-rounded nutritional blend comparable to what dry food does. The difference between wet food (not meat) and dry food, is that wet food is much better for them, for a variety of reasons:

-Includes more water in the food (Cats have a low thirst drive)
-Generally better protein sources and less grains
-Outperforms dry food at similar cost
-Hasn't been baked into absolute oblivion, removing lots of nutrition value (regardless of what the dry food originated as)
-Less likely to be sprayed with chemical flavor additives (although not entirely free of them). This is akin the flavor additives sprayed onto Doritos, which stimulate an artificial response in the brain (leading to increased eating behavior)

Additionally, cats are obligate carnivores, and therefore have no need for fruit, vegetables, grains, legumes, etc. I am sure you understand that cats do not "hunt" for carrots in their local environment, therefore they don't need it as 25% of their food. This is just an advertising meme to drive down costs.

So what HPS Pythia was really saying is that cats need a balanced diet, not a meat-only diet. This is shown by the context of her post.

There is nothing that dry food has that well-balanced wet food does not offer, either. Do keep in mind, it is very possible to make nutritionally inadequate, home-made "wet" food for cats, because you have to substitute for everything they would get from a whole mouse, or whole rabbit, or whole bird.

Dark Lawyer wrote:

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I found the Farmina N&D dry food brand on allthebestpetcare, my cat loves it. Her wet food is organic Herrmann's menu. Full menu, so lots of good quality meat and the right ratio of fruit/veggies. Reward snack for now is the American brand Temptations, recommended by a forum member here.

(https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12094&p=187195&hilit=Temptations#p187195)

Sorry, not "her". "His", because Tomcat. :-)

Blitzkreig wrote:

Just to be clear, HPS Pythia was comparing dry food versus meat. In this case, the dry food has been supplemented with nutrients besides just animal meat. Cats eat more than animal meat, rather they eat the whole mouse, including the organs, skin, fur, bones, and so on. Therefore, giving them just chicken breast is not suitable.

However, commercial wet food, which is more than just meat, contains a well-rounded nutritional blend comparable to what dry food does. The difference between wet food (not meat) and dry food, is that wet food is much better for them, for a variety of reasons:

-Includes more water in the food (Cats have a low thirst drive)
-Generally better protein sources and less grains
-Outperforms dry food at similar cost
-Hasn't been baked into absolute oblivion, removing lots of nutrition value (regardless of what the dry food originated as)
-Less likely to be sprayed with chemical flavor additives (although not entirely free of them). This is akin the flavor additives sprayed onto Doritos, which stimulate an artificial response in the brain (leading to increased eating behavior)

Additionally, cats are obligate carnivores, and therefore have no need for fruit, vegetables, grains, legumes, etc. I am sure you understand that cats do not "hunt" for carrots in their local environment, therefore they don't need it as 25% of their food. This is just an advertising meme to drive down costs.

So what HPS Pythia was really saying is that cats need a balanced diet, not a meat-only diet. This is shown by the context of her post.

There is nothing that dry food has that well-balanced wet food does not offer, either. Do keep in mind, it is very possible to make nutritionally inadequate, home-made "wet" food for cats, because you have to substitute for everything they would get from a whole mouse, or whole rabbit, or whole bird.

Your post was useful, thank you! The company I buy my wet food from says the same thing: you don't need dry food with the wet complete menu.

They also say that cats are obligate carnivores and need 90-95% meat.They also need 5-10% fibre, which is vegetables/fruit. (I assume for digestion, nutrient utilization.) Herrmann's menu is also usually 96% meat.

Then it is possible that I am reducing the dry food. I currently give 2x15 grams a day. I buy the grain free type of Farmina N&D, a specialised food for neutered cats. I may reduce it to 2x10 grams per day. I think the crunching is good for the teeth.

Dark Lawyer wrote:

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They get their fiber from eating grass, or from the food in the stomach of the animal they killed, so it is mainly non-starchy veggies and not fruit or whatever else is cheap for companies to shove in. The Farmina N&D looked pretty good.

The crunching isn't really that great for their teeth, especially in reference to what they are crunching. It is kind of like saying eating crackers is good for our teeth; it doesn't do anything to clean them. Personally, I think this is just another marketing lie that dry food companies came up with.

What actually cleans their teeth are the forces applied when they shear or pull tissue off the bone of their prey. Unfortunately, this is pretty hard to replicate with food, so I would look into textured toys for this.