are they Zevists? was jacques de molay a high priest of Zevism? what did they find in the desert/middle east?
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Active TranslatorThe Templars and many similar organizations were mostly christian but had occult circles in which many high ranking members were occult Zevists.
Active HelperWotanwarrior wrote:View source The Templars and many similar organizations were mostly christian but had occult circles in which many high ranking members were occult Zevists.
An interesting point of view, but I believe that the Templars were not a christian organization and all the monarchs of that time knew this very well, of course they could tell the peasants something else (allegedly profess christianity), but no one took into account the opinion of the peasants.
If you look at the structures of many chivalric orders and their symbols of that time, even crosses, then as a rule there is nothing christian about them.
The crosses depicted on the symbols of the Templar Order and the Teutonic Order (as well as many others knightly orders, of course not all knightly orders) are pagan symbols that are depicted on many sigils of Demons.
If you look at the rituals of the Teutonic Order, which HPS Pythia referred to in old sermons, then are purely pagan rituals.
In the European kingdoms, too, everything was not so clear.
If we take the European kingdoms, for example, the Slavic kingdoms (Grand Duchy of Lithuania), then up to the reign of King Jagiello, the Grand Dukes of Lithuania adhered to paganism, for example, King Mindovg.
According to the Gustyn Chronicle, in 1246 in Novogrudok he converted to orthodox christianity, guided exclusively by political considerations, which were based on his desire to rule in the Old Russian Novogrudok.
After Mindovg's rival, Lithuanian Prince Tovtivill, who was sitting in Polotsk, arrived in Riga and converted to catholicism there, frightened by the threat posed by the Livonian Order, Mindovg also converted to Catholicism in 1252.
With the weakening of the threat from the Germans, in 1260 he returned to paganism, which he had never actually left, from the moment he returned to paganism, he entered into a serious conflict with the Vatican, but at that moment his kingdom expanded, as the territories where pagans lived voluntarily decided to join him.
AristocraticDragon666 wrote:View source An interesting point of view, but I believe that the Templars were not a christian organization and all the monarchs of that time knew this very well, of course they could tell the peasants something else (allegedly profess christianity), but no one took into account the opinion of the peasants.
If you look at the structures of many chivalric orders and their symbols of that time, even crosses, then as a rule there is nothing christian about them.
The crosses depicted on the symbols of the Templar Order and the Teutonic Order (as well as many others knightly orders, of course not all knightly orders) are pagan symbols that are depicted on many sigils of Demons.
If you look at the rituals of the Teutonic Order, which HPS Pythia referred to in old sermons, then are purely pagan rituals.
In the European kingdoms, too, everything was not so clear.
If we take the European kingdoms, for example, the Slavic kingdoms (Grand Duchy of Lithuania), then up to the reign of King Jagiello, the Grand Dukes of Lithuania adhered to paganism, for example, King Mindovg.
According to the Gustyn Chronicle, in 1246 in Novogrudok he converted to orthodox christianity, guided exclusively by political considerations, which were based on his desire to rule in the Old Russian Novogrudok.
After Mindovg's rival, Lithuanian Prince Tovtivill, who was sitting in Polotsk, arrived in Riga and converted to catholicism there, frightened by the threat posed by the Livonian Order, Mindovg also converted to Catholicism in 1252.
With the weakening of the threat from the Germans, in 1260 he returned to paganism, which he had never actually left, from the moment he returned to paganism, he entered into a serious conflict with the Vatican, but at that moment his kingdom expanded, as the territories where pagans lived voluntarily decided to join him.
As I understand the Teutonic order was mostly Christian and only a small group of members were occult Zevists, that's why the grand duke of Lithuania Vytautas and his cousin Jagellius who were pagans were enemies of the Teutonic order, because the Teutonic order was pushing the Christianization of Lithuania under the orders of the Vatican and its grand master at that time Ulrich von Jungingen was a puppet of the Vatican, on the contrary Sigismund of Hungary who was a Zevist refused to help the Teutonic order in the crusade against pagan Lithuania.
Wotanwarrior wrote:View source As I understand the Teutonic order was mostly Christian and only a small group of members were occult Zevists, that's why the grand duke of Lithuania Vytautas and his cousin Jagellius who were pagans were enemies of the Teutonic order, because the Teutonic order was pushing the Christianization of Lithuania under the orders of the Vatican and its grand master at that time Ulrich von Jungingen was a puppet of the Vatican, on the contrary Sigismund of Hungary who was a Zevist refused to help the Teutonic order in the crusade against pagan Lithuania.
The Teutonic Order was not seen in the genocide of pagans, because it was pagan itself.
The Teutonic Order actively resisted the Vatican and did not participate in the Crusades in Arab countries, motivating this by the fact that it allegedly waged war with pagans in Eastern Europe, but at the same time the Teutonic Order waged wars as well as Lithuania, was not noticed in any special cruelty, atrocities or genocide.
The Teutonic Order tried not to deal with the Vatican, but to solve its territorial (border) problems.
The Teutonic Order didn't benefit from the defeat of the pagan states, because then the Vatican would have forced the Teutonic Order to participate in the crusades in Arab countries, which the Teutonic Order avoided with all its might.
AristocraticDragon666 wrote:View source The Teutonic Order was not seen in the genocide of pagans, because it was pagan itself.
The Teutonic Order actively resisted the Vatican and did not participate in the Crusades in Arab countries, motivating this by the fact that it allegedly waged war with pagans in Eastern Europe, but at the same time the Teutonic Order waged wars as well as Lithuania, was not noticed in any special cruelty, atrocities or genocide.
The Teutonic Order tried not to deal with the Vatican, but to solve its territorial (border) problems.
The Teutonic Order didn't benefit from the defeat of the pagan states, because then the Vatican would have forced the Teutonic Order to participate in the crusades in Arab countries, which the Teutonic Order avoided with all its might.
What you say also sounds coherent in some aspects, history is so corrupted that it is very difficult to filter everything.
2 centuries before the defeat of the Teutonic order by Lithuania and Poland there was another grand master of that order Hermann von Salza who I think was an occult Zevist, besides he was a close friend of the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II who was openly anti-Christian.