I'm gay, can satan make the male I love, love me back so that I can be happy?
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Sarramixa wrote:View source Thats interesting, i was thinking more about Nietzsche whit That afirmation 😅
Damn, I missed the point then. I went full biology there 😆. I have not read Nietzsche enough to understand the thought behind the afirmation, though.
CrimsonMonarch wrote:View source Damn, I missed the point then. I went full biology there 😆. I have not read Nietzsche enough to understand the thought behind the afirmation, though.
Maybe is not so far One thing from another
CrimsonMonarch wrote:View source At this point I'm waiting for the thread to become so granular we start questioning it all. We started from a normal love spell and now we are in "But what is love? What is happiness?". Love to see it 😆
Getting what we desire produces certain molecules in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin), so can we say that happiness is nothing more than a bunch of molecules? What is love but a chemical reaction in the brain? Can a person be "drugged" chemically into loving someone? Can you just drug yourself to be "happy"? Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is a good book to read on this, it might give some perspective. This is not addressed to you but the thread in general, I just liked your comment more because it goes into a good topic.
It seems interesting book i Will look for it ,👍
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source You are being influenced to think and feel in a certain way, which otherwise you maybe would, or maybe wouldn't feel or think. THAT is the unethical part. It doesn't matter if you are literally the best person in the world for them, you are still dictating things to happen, because of selfish desires.
Again this same logic would perfectly go with flirting and seduction. Without it in many cases (not all) the person who you are interested in wouldn't consider you until you started opening her/him to the idea of you two being together.
Maybe you're seeing love and attraction as something extremely complicated and thus feel like doing a love spell is using cheat codes? In my opinion it's a tool that'll open up an opportunity to show a person you're a viable partner... just like many people do with basic flirting.
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source When you are flirting with someone, you are aware that the other person KNOWS your tactics and KNOWS you are flirting with them, and thus you already give them a chance to either agree or disagree, but magick works much deeper and more powerfully than just a few winks or compliments.
Flirting and seduction comes in many ways. Upfront or hidden. Not every way of seduction is upfront. So how would a love spell and wearing very good smelling perfume/cologne in front of someone you like but they have no idea you like them any different then?
Brother, I hope you don't think I'm trying to be obtuse. I am honestly trying to understand your logic without seeing any contradictions.
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source Let's stop equating magick with day to day activities that are normalized, because the nature of magick itself is not "normal" nor even WORKS like normal activities.
I am not very advanced, so I understand if what I say may not be accurate, but I have thought long and hard about this, and I am open to criticism, generally, because we do not know EXACTLY how magick works in terms of examining the deepest molecules and quantum science of it yet as a species, people have different ideas about how it works and there exists a lot of confusion in it, so if I am wrong, then im fine with that. But I personally would not respect anyone who used magick to get a specific person to love them.
Normal in the way you're using it is just an opinion of a personal view. Magick is objectively normal. We just live in a world that isn't objectively normal. I feel like some of these simple spells are to be seen as normal day to day stuff and will be in the very near future.
For the scientific part, just because the mainstream scientists haven't touched spirituality in recent recorded history doesn't mean a simple spell is something very incredibly complex.
Anything that is complex will be given to us by our Guardians and by that level any Zevist would understand what's really ethical or not and will be responsible with something that a none Zevism (unfortunately most likely some newish Zevism as well) would otherwise.
Lack of understanding should lead to open mindness and inquiry and not being at the extreme conclusion it's something so evil you don't want to respect anyone that does it. I haven't fully understood why you have such a strong point on it, but that leads to my final question in this post,
In an earlier reply you said
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source When you are using magick, it is VASTLY different from showing off some nice stuff or attractive qualities.
Afterwards you go into your opinion of a love spell but didn't elaborate on how it is vastly different.
If it is "vastly different" then I would like to know as it seems like it would be easy to understand with examples and an actual explanation of that quote.
Good convo btw :)
I think there's nothing more beautiful than laughing! Because for one it does strengthen your core and it's good for your vocal cords! And it's good for your stomach helps you digest your food better Rumor Has it? Plus I would rather make a good habit of laughing? Then being a pain in the ass like other people who like to bitch and complain and feel sorry for themselves? And this time of year I get depressed really easy. And I have a tendency to want to get out more and spend money that I don't have just to be able to have some happiness something bright and cheery and happy in my house. Like a bouquet of flowers🪷🪻🌸🌷💐🌻🌹 or a beautiful picture to light up the room! Or by myself a new lava lamp and a new book and sit down and read. And I love to get on here and talk and hang out with people. And have intelligent conversations. Anything that keeps me awake and keeps my mind busy! I will never pass the moment☕️🩷🙂
Laughter is good medicine! And so is love when you know you're being loved and wanted? It is everything! And when you know you're being admired and appreciated for what you do? For somebody else for somebody you care about your job site or the community that you enjoy being on? And makes all the world's difference!💐☕️🩷🙂
And happiness is also another cure-all so they say? But it depends on what you have on your mind all the time and what you find humorous? And what you consider happiness? I am somebody who enjoys the laughter of little children in a classroom!🩷 which makes it fun to be a school teacher! And I love stand-up comedy! And I know that everybody has a laughing point and a sense of humor and I know that everybody likes to get off a joke about something and sit and talk about funny things or just sit down and talk? And release all of that pent up energy both the negative and the positive begin to balance out when you sit down and talk about it and have a good laugh and a couple of good jokes to share. 🦾👁🧠🙂🤣🤪
hailourtruegod wrote:View source ... and will be responsible with something that a none Zevism (unfortunately most likely some newish Zevism as well) would abuse* otherwise.
I'm sure it was understood but just in case
Karnonnos reply was to make a point and he was also going off of what another skeptical member said which was an outrage claim to make but it can easily be seen like you were alluding to the false "artificial" narrative.
I asked politely for you to explain yourself as you keep only putting in your own opinions without elaborating on the logic behind it.
Instead you wrote a wall of text of how you felt of another member's reply . All he did was explain thoroughly but bluntly. Everything he said had a strong point and this can be seen if you took a step back and maybe even waited to reply instead of a knee jerk/reactive post. Or at least that's what it seems like especially since my reply was completely ignored. That's beside the point.
I actually don't believe any of it was directly towards you at all and again he was just trying to make a point which you didn't even try to contradict instead just doubling down on your opinion.
But if that's where you want to leave it at then so be it, I guess...
hailourtruegod wrote:View source Karnonnos reply was to make a point and he was also going off of what another skeptical member said which was an outrage claim to make but it can easily be seen like you were alluding to the false "artificial" narrative.
I asked politely for you to explain yourself as you keep only putting in your own opinions without elaborating on the logic behind it.
Instead you wrote a wall of text of how you felt of another member's reply . All he did was explain thoroughly but bluntly. Everything he said had a strong point and this can be seen if you took a step back and maybe even waited to reply instead of a knee jerk/reactive post. Or at least that's what it seems like especially since my reply was completely ignored. That's beside the point.
I actually don't believe any of it was directly towards you at all and again he was just trying to make a point which you didn't even try to contradict instead just doubling down on your opinion.
But if that's where you want to leave it at then so be it, I guess...
I would tell you not to butt in, but you are right.
I am sorry if my posts hurt anyone's feelings. really.
I just... cannot wrap my head around this one subject.
I really don't understand how a love spell can't be unethical and selfish, if it is directed at a single person.
Nevertheless, apologies to whoever I replied harshly to.
From the tone in some replies, I felt as if I was being schooled or ridiculed, which i dont know was the intention or not.
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source I would tell you not to butt in, but you are right.
I am sorry if my posts hurt anyone's feelings. really.
I just... cannot wrap my head around this one subject.I really don't understand how a love spell can't be unethical and selfish, if it is directed at a single person.
Nevertheless, apologies to whoever I replied harshly to.
From the tone in some replies, I felt as if I was being schooled or ridiculed, which i dont know was the intention or not.
A main takeaway point from this is that no one here who is a serious Zevism is doing love spells for nefarious reasons.
It's up to the individual who visits the ToZ what they choose to practice even it comes to spirituality, divinity and the occult.
The problem is those here who, in the first place, are doing what the gods want us to do, are being shamed just for practicing something that's given to us by them and their messengers like HPS Pythia.
It's okay to have your own opinions on the tools we have but, in this specific situation, it's another thing when trying to down talk others that are just using the tools we have with no evil intentions behind. The bad intentions are mostly accusations based on nothing solid with the minor exceptions being infiltrators and similar, but thats the not topic here.
The above applies to all parties but remember, in this topic and others before, it's the ones who wrote they oppose the love/sex spells the ones who initiated a bit of an argument by making outrages claims that will make those who practice these spells look bad, without any thorough explanation. Doing so paints your brothers and sisters as gross individuals who want to mind control others for their emotional needs.
The reply given by Karnonnos can be seen as warranted after this context but I don't think you're seeing that part. I did my best to view your side and now I ask for you to do the same for others even if you still don't change your mind it's considerate to do the above when in a civil discussion.
At the end you can still claim being morally right and not sway from your opinion but it will be proper to take all the above into consideration.
This reply wasn't to prolong the discussion as it seems to be over and done with. It's more of a general thought that I wanted to share.
Eat drink and be merry! For tomorrow you may never know what's going to happen next?🍍🍷🙏🦚🔥☕️🐍🌸😀
hailourtruegod wrote:View source A main takeaway point from this is that no one here who is a serious Zevism is doing love spells for nefarious reasons.
It's up to the individual who visits the ToZ what they choose to practice even it comes to spirituality, divinity and the occult.
The problem is those here who, in the first place, are doing what the gods want us to do, are being shamed just for practicing something that's given to us by them and their messengers like HPS Pythia.
It's okay to have your own opinions on the tools we have but, in this specific situation, it's another thing when trying to down talk others that are just using the tools we have with no evil intentions behind. The bad intentions are mostly accusations based on nothing solid with the minor exceptions being infiltrators and similar, but thats the not topic here.
The above applies to all parties but remember, in this topic and others before, it's the ones who wrote they oppose the love/sex spells the ones who initiated a bit of an argument by making outrages claims that will make those who practice these spells look bad, without any thorough explanation. Doing so paints your brothers and sisters as gross individuals who want to mind control others for their emotional needs.
The reply given by Karnonnos can be seen as warranted after this context but I don't think you're seeing that part. I did my best to view your side and now I ask for you to do the same for others even if you still don't change your mind it's considerate to do the above when in a civil discussion.
At the end you can still claim being morally right and not sway from your opinion but it will be proper to take all the above into consideration.
This reply wasn't to prolong the discussion as it seems to be over and done with. It's more of a general thought that I wanted to share.
Of course brother. Thank you.
I'll try to be more disciplined in my emotional management.
Now that I think about it, we humans influence one another by our thought-power, and the actions caused by the thought anyways, so magick could just be a shortcut into doing it more efficiently perhaps, and what you said with the intention being proper and good, was also correct.
Karnonnos wrote:
Sorry Karnonnos.
TheWhiteGiant That you have a point there.
AskSatanOperator.. for somebody who posts a threat every 3 seconds? Asking 1 1,000 questions every day? Can't even take the time to look up your own answers? And be more independent? Asking people one 1000 questions on all kinds of shit? And then you complain because nobody's answering your questions?.. and then you had to mention my name? Laugh out loud you don't need to drag me into your fucking quagmire! Keep my name out of your mouth! I am trying to take care of things on my own and! It wasn't like I come and knocked on your door and knocked over your beehive! You have no business talking shit about me!..
And for your information you're running your mouth off and talking shit about other people? Which is not appropriate! Yes I got into trouble for doing a few things on here! Minor things! And I will have you know that I'm not a fucking spammer! For one I didn't even know that I was doing it? And it was just a simple misunderstanding! And a computer glitch! Number three you have no business judging me! Number four you're going off on another member here! Number five I've never mentioned anything about you or accused you of doing anything? Laugh out loud! Number six! I don't waste my time throwing out one 1000 threads asking $1000 questions! And you are the dude that answers everybody's questions posing as satan? As ask Satan a question? Another words that you were reading the content that I post on that website? And then you get on here and you run your mouth off about me and other people? Just because people are getting tired of your questions? Laugh out loud dude you have no business running your mouth off about me or anybody else on here! Why don't you stop and think about it? And here I am minding my own business and doing my own thing! I haven't even threatened anybody on here especially you laugh out loud!..what is up with people these days? I am busy trying to do my own meditations! And doing things to help myself! And trying to avoid trouble on here as much as possible! I haven't even been on here much except to answer the questions and the post that were sent to me? I am sorry if I rattled your chains! But everything and anything I posted on here had nothing to do with you? So I think you need to chill out! And take a good step back? If the things you're doing and saying about other people on here? Because I'm pretty aware of the fact that you've mentioned my name? And it was not pretty! And it was not fucking funny!
AskSatanOperator wrote:View source I'm gay, can satan make the male I love, love me back so that I can be happy?
I think you should make him your friend first, then get to know him more by observations ! Then love yourself more and be confident.
Thanks!!!
Ancestors666 wrote:View source I think you should make him your friend first, then get to know him more by observations ! Then love yourself more and be confident.
Thanks!!!
Why is this being sent to me? Lol I don't need friends "
Active HelperDragonheart666 wrote:View source AskSatanOperator.. for somebody who posts a threat every 3 seconds? Asking 1 1,000 questions every day? Can't even take the time to look up your own answers? And be more independent? Asking people one 1000 questions on all kinds of shit? And then you complain because nobody's answering your questions?.. and then you had to mention my name? Laugh out loud you don't need to drag me into your fucking quagmire! Keep my name out of your mouth! I am trying to take care of things on my own and! It wasn't like I come and knocked on your door and knocked over your beehive! You have no business talking shit about me!..
And for your information you're running your mouth off and talking shit about other people? Which is not appropriate! Yes I got into trouble for doing a few things on here! Minor things! And I will have you know that I'm not a fucking spammer! For one I didn't even know that I was doing it? And it was just a simple misunderstanding! And a computer glitch! Number three you have no business judging me! Number four you're going off on another member here! Number five I've never mentioned anything about you or accused you of doing anything? Laugh out loud! Number six! I don't waste my time throwing out one 1000 threads asking $1000 questions! And you are the dude that answers everybody's questions posing as satan? As ask Satan a question? Another words that you were reading the content that I post on that website? And then you get on here and you run your mouth off about me and other people? Just because people are getting tired of your questions? Laugh out loud dude you have no business running your mouth off about me or anybody else on here! Why don't you stop and think about it? And here I am minding my own business and doing my own thing! I haven't even threatened anybody on here especially you laugh out loud!..what is up with people these days? I am busy trying to do my own meditations! And doing things to help myself! And trying to avoid trouble on here as much as possible! I haven't even been on here much except to answer the questions and the post that were sent to me? I am sorry if I rattled your chains! But everything and anything I posted on here had nothing to do with you? So I think you need to chill out! And take a good step back? If the things you're doing and saying about other people on here? Because I'm pretty aware of the fact that you've mentioned my name? And it was not pretty! And it was not fucking funny!
You are not in a position to critique others. Much less when you do not understand what you are talking about... AskSatanOperator is a moderator-only user account that is being used to post questions submitted from the asksatan.net website.
Dragonheart666 wrote:View source Why is this being sent to me? Lol I don't need friends "
None of it is sent to you. You have not been quoted, and no one is talking about you in this context.
Henu the Great wrote:View source None of it is sent to you. You have not been quoted, and no one is talking about you in this context.
I'm sorry. But I am technical problems today. And I just wanted to know what was going on