I'm gay, can satan make the male I love, love me back so that I can be happy?
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Better yet, Father Zeus has freely given you the tools to do that yourself on the ToZ website.
You can perform Love Spell on him. And there will be a good day to start a love working this month, check the calendar
AskSatanOperator wrote:View source I'm gay, can satan make the male I love, love me back so that I can be happy?
Listen, Buddy....
I totally get where you are coming from, I'm homo as well. But i would say maybe think twice before casting a love spell. Personally, I dont find it ethical if the energy is determined on manipulating one specific persons mind and environment, in order to love you.
A better usage of the love spell would be to help you find a person who is also looking for someone like you, and is attracted to someone like you.
But siccing onto some random guy you have a crush on is not only unethical, but also you will likely regret it when you see some stuff from him you didn't expect or dislike, so both of yall will be losers. especially if you are the water dominant, sensitive type.
Trust me, I have been down this same exact route, and I thank the gods everyday my love spells failed on a guy.
Try to first become friends and try to get deeper. See who he really is first, and THEN go on ahead and confess. Let it be of HIS free will.
Of course, this is just my own two cents. You are also free to do what you will. I have no say in what another Zevist does, since im not that useful here anyways...
I think that feelings as naive and beautiful as love should not be made artificial with spells. If someone loves you, wouldn't it be better if they loved you for who you are?
We should not run to spells in everything and think about what we really want.
Sonne wrote:View source I think that feelings as naive and beautiful as love should not be made artificial with spells. If someone loves you, wouldn't it be better if they loved you for who you are?
We should not run to spells in everything and think about what we really want.
A love spell would make someone love you for who you are in some sense. The ethics of all of this are dependent on the affirmation and intention. It is not necessarily like the spell will brainwash the person, but it would create avenues for love to exist. It is not fake at all, and this should be respected with its own depth, as we don't want to create love with just anyone.
All of magic and even life is about the breaking or creation of patterns, so not everything in life must be judged on its current state. That doesn't mean we should force situations which would not realistically happen, like two incompatible lovers, but we also shouldn't assume that any changes to such a relationship are uncalled for, or artificial, and so on. Everything is subject to advancement.
Blitzkreig [JG] wrote:View source A love spell would make someone love you for who you are in some sense. The ethics of all of this are dependent on the affirmation and intention. It is not necessarily like the spell will brainwash the person, but it would create avenues for love to exist. It is not fake at all, and this should be respected with its own depth, as we don't want to create love with just anyone.
All of magic and even life is about the breaking or creation of patterns, so not everything in life must be judged on its current state. That doesn't mean we should force situations which would not realistically happen, like two incompatible lovers, but we also shouldn't assume that any changes to such a relationship are uncalled for, or artificial, and so on. Everything is subject to advancement.
I didn't know that, thanks for your answer JG Blitzkreig!
Sonne wrote:View source I think that feelings as naive and beautiful as love should not be made artificial with spells. If someone loves you, wouldn't it be better if they loved you for who you are?
We should not run to spells in everything and think about what we really want.
The hard truth is that almost nobody loves you for who you are. Most people love you for how you make them feel. If you change or their opinion of you change so they think you're making them feel bad now, they'll stop loving you and start hating you.
Invictvs wrote:View source The hard truth is that almost nobody loves you for who you are. Most people love you for how you make them feel. If you change or their opinion of you change so they think you're making them feel bad now, they'll stop loving you and start hating you.
The Gebo rune, or how Venus operates, shows an energy mixture between two souls, which creates feelings of closeness, thereby giving the feelings of love based upon the present conditions. In this sense, you begin to feel the lover as an extension of yourself, therefore a partner.
When we talk about love, it is also important to remember the expressions of the Sun and 5th house, and this is more where we delve into the realm of what someone provides for another person. Ideally, the expressions of the Sun would stimulate and amplify the existing Venusian linkages, but if the Venus aspect of the relationship is lacking, this is where we can get "colder" situations, where the relationship devolves into just providing things to one another, like friends, rather than an equal reception or exchange that Venus creates.
Venus's energy harmonizes all areas of the soul, and this is why lovers will be concerned for each other's welfare and feelings, even if one of them cannot provide anymore, and so on. It is why lovers want to exchange not just sex, but also thoughts and feelings.
Blitzkreig [JG] wrote:View source A love spell would make someone love you for who you are in some sense. The ethics of all of this are dependent on the affirmation and intention. It is not necessarily like the spell will brainwash the person, but it would create avenues for love to exist. It is not fake at all, and this should be respected with its own depth, as we don't want to create love with just anyone.
All of magic and even life is about the breaking or creation of patterns, so not everything in life must be judged on its current state. That doesn't mean we should force situations which would not realistically happen, like two incompatible lovers, but we also shouldn't assume that any changes to such a relationship are uncalled for, or artificial, and so on. Everything is subject to advancement.
Great reply!
I would of replied but this a suffice explanation and all I wanted to add was that even with the money spell we don't just make something appear out of nowhere. The energies have to go thru a practical outlet.
In this case it's not forcing someone to like you when the same feeling you give to the interested person can be given thru talking and experiences.
Blitzkreig [JG] wrote:View source A love spell would make someone love you for who you are in some sense. The ethics of all of this are dependent on the affirmation and intention. It is not necessarily like the spell will brainwash the person, but it would create avenues for love to exist. It is not fake at all, and this should be respected with its own depth, as we don't want to create love with just anyone.
Hello Blitzkreig 🤍
If the person already , and genuinely has no interest in you as a person in the first place, then a love spell would just be manipulation.
And, think about it, how would you feel if you found out someone you barely know and have no interest in, has been casting love spell on you for like a week? obviously you would wanna avoid that person, and even if they manage to get you, they wont be able to tell you because it would be like this dark secret thay have, and it will break all trust in the relationship if it is revealed.
I believe the OP should just get to know the other person, open up to them, and try to establish a connection or friendship first. If someone doesn't even wanna be your friend, then they clearly never had that first spark that makes them attracted to you.
Sure, you could do some spells to bring out the authentic charm and beauty in yourself, but I still don't believe that a love spell is ethical or fair.
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source Hello Blitzkreig 🤍
If the person already , and genuinely has no interest in you as a person in the first place, then a love spell would just be manipulation.
And, think about it, how would you feel if you found out someone you barely know and have no interest in, has been casting love spell on you for like a week? obviously you would wanna avoid that person, and even if they manage to get you, they wont be able to tell you because it would be like this dark secret thay have, and it will break all trust in the relationship if it is revealed.
I believe the OP should just get to know the other person, open up to them, and try to establish a connection or friendship first. If someone doesn't even wanna be your friend, then they clearly never had that first spark that makes them attracted to you.
Sure, you could do some spells to bring out the authentic charm and beauty in yourself, but I still don't believe that a love spell is ethical or fair.
I think people are getting their results of a love spell thru movies. From years of experience it is anything but.
If sweet talking and showing your nice fit physique to the said interest to attract them even if they aren't showing any interest isn't bad then how is the spell bad? Besides the obvious specific reason like someone else has a partner already and happy or something similar then both the above would be unethical but besides that there's nothing nefarious at play here.
It has nothing to do with having someone do something out of heir own will and has more to do more with influencing ther sacral and throat chkara the same way any beautiful person that has a good personality can do to those they attracted to.
hailourtruegod wrote:View source I think people are getting their results of a love spell thru movies. From years of experience it is anything but.
If sweet talking and showing your nice fit physique to the said interest to attract them even if they aren't showing any interest isn't bad then how is the spell bad? Besides the obvious specific reason like someone else has a partner already and happy or something similar then both the above would be unethical but besides that there's nothing nefarious at play here.
It has nothing to do with having someone do something out of heir own will and has more to do more with influencing ther sacral and throat chkara the same way any beautiful person that has a good personality can do to those they attracted to.
When you are using magick, it is VASTLY different from showing off some nice stuff or attractive qualities.
Magick messes with the mind. not that you said "influence " yourself, which is just glorified manipulation. Unless you are destined to be with the other person through karma or a great synastry, which would karmically lead you to making that love spell, I really am not a fan of the idea of love spells. heck, I place death spells above them in terms of being ethical.
Thats literally how that works. I also have experience, maybe not as long as you have, but enough experience of some really weird shit happening to prove to me that indeed, love magick DOES work like the "movies", even though i did everything perfectly, affirmation, direction etc.
I strongly believe that the other person should have free will in who they choose to fall in love with. Most thing you could do with magick is to make yourself more appealing, but that is very different from leeching in some specifics persons mind and subjecting them to implanted thoughts.
TheWhiteGiant wrote:View source When you are using magick, it is VASTLY different from showing off some nice stuff or attractive qualities.
Magick messes with the mind. not that you said "influence " yourself, which is just glorified manipulation. Unless you are destined to be with the other person through karma or a great synastry, which would karmically lead you to making that love spell, I really am not a fan of the idea of love spells. heck, I place death spells above them in terms of being ethical.
Thats literally how that works. I also have experience, maybe not as long as you have, but enough experience of some really weird shit happening to prove to me that indeed, love magick DOES work like the "movies", even though i did everything perfectly, affirmation, direction etc.
I strongly believe that the other person should have free will in who they choose to fall in love with. Most thing you could do with magick is to make yourself more appealing, but that is very different from leeching in some specifics persons mind and subjecting them to implanted thoughts.
But with that logic you can literally say the same thing about courtship(flirting and seduction). Why court a women if she's destined to love you then there's no point in flirting with her or seducing her because she'll already feel that way and influencing her to like you more and wanting to show her your worth having sex with is just glorified manipulation then as well.
I would like to know your point of view of how courtship and love spells are different.
Both spiritual and physical flirting/seduction can be used in an abusive/unethical manner but that's on the person acting not the spell itself.
Love spells are just Astral flirting. If there's bad or weird outcomes after a simple spell then it's not the spell itself but the practitioner, in my opinion.
The Love/Sex spells weren't given to us with the intent of brainwashing non Zevism into being our sex slaves.
Hapiness is an ilusion, it come from the satisfaction of getting what we desire
HAIL ZEUS
Sarramixa wrote:View source Hapiness is an ilusion, it come from the satisfaction of getting what we desire
At this point I'm waiting for the thread to become so granular we start questioning it all. We started from a normal love spell and now we are in "But what is love? What is happiness?". Love to see it 😆
Getting what we desire produces certain molecules in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin), so can we say that happiness is nothing more than a bunch of molecules? What is love but a chemical reaction in the brain? Can a person be "drugged" chemically into loving someone? Can you just drug yourself to be "happy"? Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is a good book to read on this, it might give some perspective. This is not addressed to you but the thread in general, I just liked your comment more because it goes into a good topic.
hailourtruegod wrote:View source But with that logic you can literally say the same thing about courtship(flirting and seduction). Why court a women if she's destined to love you then there's no point in flirting with her or seducing her because she'll already feel that way and influencing her to like you more and wanting to show her your worth having sex with is just glorified manipulation then as well.
I would like to know your point of view of how courtship and love spells are different.
Both spiritual and physical flirting/seduction can be used in an abusive/unethical manner but that's on the person acting not the spell itself.
Love spells are just Astral flirting. If there's bad or weird outcomes after a simple spell then it's not the spell itself but the practitioner, in my opinion.
The Love/Sex spells weren't given to us with the intent of brainwashing non Zevism into being our sex slaves.
When you are using magick, you are operating on the level of the astral. These are all energies, and they are all deeper than some societal, subconscious notions, or thoughts even. You are operating on a very deep level that sometimes even goes past the subconscious, and is of the spirit. It is very deep and serious. The simple fact that you are willing to use concealed means to influence the other person's mind and environment for your own advantage, is unethical itself.
It would not be unethical in the case of warfare for example (Rituals), because it is a necessary act that is being done for the highest good of all gentiles and the Earth, but in this case, you are completely ignoring the consent that comes with love, and instead of "astral flirting", you are just astrally manipulating. Imagine if for example, I was attracted to you as a person, and I wanted to use magick to make you notice me more, and to make you start having loving thoughts about me.
No matter if the emotions are valid, real or not, it is still being done without your consent and without your awareness. You are being influenced to think and feel in a certain way, which otherwise you maybe would, or maybe wouldn't feel or think. THAT is the unethical part. It doesn't matter if you are literally the best person in the world for them, you are still dictating things to happen, because of selfish desires. These things are very personal and should be left to the decision of the person themselves.
When you are flirting with someone, you are aware that the other person KNOWS your tactics and KNOWS you are flirting with them, and thus you already give them a chance to either agree or disagree, but magick works much deeper and more powerfully than just a few winks or compliments.
Let's stop equating magick with day to day activities that are normalized, because the nature of magick itself is not "normal" nor even WORKS like normal activities.
I am not very advanced, so I understand if what I say may not be accurate, but I have thought long and hard about this, and I am open to criticism, generally, because we do not know EXACTLY how magick works in terms of examining the deepest molecules and quantum science of it yet as a species, people have different ideas about how it works and there exists a lot of confusion in it, so if I am wrong, then im fine with that. But I personally would not respect anyone who used magick to get a specific person to love them.
CrimsonMonarch wrote:View source At this point I'm waiting for the thread to become so granular we start questioning it all. We started from a normal love spell and now we are in "But what is love? What is happiness?". Love to see it 😆
Getting what we desire produces certain molecules in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin), so can we say that happiness is nothing more than a bunch of molecules? What is love but a chemical reaction in the brain? Can a person be "drugged" chemically into loving someone? Can you just drug yourself to be "happy"? Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is a good book to read on this, it might give some perspective. This is not addressed to you but the thread in general, I just liked your comment more because it goes into a good topic.
Thats interesting, i was thinking more about Nietzsche whit That afirmation 😅