IMPORTANT: Changes to New Accounts and Private Messages

Thank you. In my opinion it would've been better if the number of posts needed to write private messages would've been higher, like 50 for example. A new account shouldn't need to send private messages anyway, for the most part.

This could be a good way of knowing more about the person behind the account since they actually have to make known their stance on subjects, and from there people can determine if they are even trustworthy or not...

Unless, well, they totally lie and pretend they are with us while they are against us. Hopefully this will be unlikely so I advise to not trust new accounts that private message you completely. Even if they have made 10+ posts

WiseDragon wrote:View source

Thank you. In my opinion it would've been better if the number of posts needed to write private messages would've been higher, like 50 for example. A new account shouldn't need to send private messages anyway, for the most part.

Yeah, this is open to change of course and we'll be watching it carefully.

Caspian wrote:View source

This could be a good way of knowing more about the person behind the account since they actually have to make known their stance on subjects, and from there people can determine if they are even trustworthy or not...

Unless, well, they totally lie and pretend they are with us while they are against us. Hopefully this will be unlikely so I advise to not trust new accounts that private message you completely. Even if they have made 10+ posts

It is entirely possible to still play it safe for 10 posts to start harassing people, however we are also watching this too.

If anyone receives a weird DM luring them to a discord or some other shit, just report the DM or user, and we'll take care of it.

ApolloAbove [JG] wrote:View source

Yeah, this is open to change of course and we'll be watching it carefully.

It is entirely possible to still play it safe for 10 posts to start harassing people, however we are also watching this too.

If anyone receives a weird DM luring them to a discord or some other shit, just report the DM or user, and we'll take care of it.

It is good that the mail option exists, since governments can actually harass ppl by going undercover and finding out someone's IP address through their email header. This has happened before in here. I'm personally grateful for this option.

So are we all supposed to create a new profile? Or just keep the one we've got? What are we supposed to do ..?

Dragonheart666 wrote:View source

So are we all supposed to create a new profile? Or just keep the one we've got? What are we supposed to do ..?

If you made a new profile you would start all the way over at the bottom, I never mentioned making a new accounts. This is for new people joining the forum going forward from now.

Awe okay. 🙂 Thank you for explaining.

Maybe some kind of combination between post count and physical amount of time since the account was created.

Anyway, thank you for this. Exact amounts could be debated endlessly with no perfect answer, but anything is a great improvement over nothing.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:View source

Maybe some kind of combination between post count and physical amount of time since the account was created.

Anyway, thank you for this. Exact amounts could be debated endlessly with no perfect answer, but anything is a great improvement over nothing.

Great idea

Something like a few months, and 50 posts. There are people who came here initially as trolls because they thought we were all nonsense, but after being here for a few months, they learned so much truth that they joined us for real. This has happened a few times. So even if a troll is determined to just wait until receiving this privilege, there is a high chance that either he will change his mind and join us, or lose interest and go away.

ApolloAbove [JG] wrote:

The PMs ARE moderated. If you report a message you receive, we can take action on it. Eventually we will all work cooperatively to have a mindset of reporting suspicious posts or calls to violence. I believe a good chunk of users already do this, which is excellent. This brings the level of communication from email (which we do not control) into this forum (which we do control).

The whole point of this post was that we are ensuring newbies do NOT receive weird messages from trolls. The enemy could come and blow my head off if they had the means to, but I am still here.

Moderated only if they are reported? I am not familiar with all laws Worldwide but I think for those which can speak English, then legally, PMs cannot be viewed by non-participants. Some won't report PMs and some won't realise a PM or the user might be dodgy. At least in the open, public forum, it can be seen and other users can give good advice; in PM, it's like going down a dark alley at night time in a bad neighbourhood. Off-forum, one themself is responsible for their online activities, presuming they're above the legal age to join any online communities, as well as the ownsers/runners of those websites/communities; on-forum, others who can are also responsible, and providing means to have private messages that are not public, of which less-than 100% will be seen by staff legally, and seen by other users, is not a good idea.

I don't know who will join, or has joined the forum already and is waiting, to target users. I'm not responsible for that nor having the Karma for that.

That's all. I am in the minority here with this. Enjoy the responsibility and Karma.

FancyMancy wrote:

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Before PM's people would just use email and ToZ had zero control over this. Yes, the system could be better however, and because we have access to it, we are able to make modifications to it, like what JG AA had just created.

The reality is that people will always want some sort means of private communication, and if we don't provide that, then they will look elsewhere.

How are there direct messages on every single social media website that there is, if websites are not allowed to have direct messages. Direct message may be a more accurate name than private message.

This is useful for responsible people who will use it responsibly. Organizing conversations with people without it being visible to all trolls, infiltrators, and people who have no business seeing it.

FancyMancy wrote:View source

Moderated only if they are reported? I am not familiar with all laws Worldwide but I think for those which can speak English, then legally, PMs cannot be viewed by non-participants.

Platform owner has all the access they want and there is no illegal aspects to seeing your private messages. They own this platform, therefore it is on their discretion how this platform operates and what kind of access they want to have within this platform.

It would be another matter for an intruder to see something they are not privy to. In that case, you would be right.

The laws that are applicable to the administration are based on the country the server is resided in (server rules), and where individual administratiors operate from (operator rules), but overall this is more complicated than that.

FancyMancy wrote:View source

I'm not responsible for that nor having the Karma for that.

That's all. I am in the minority here with this. Enjoy the responsibility and Karma.

You don't seem to quite understand karma.

Also, there is a karma that results from avoiding responsibilities. As people grow, we are supposed to take on responsibilities, not shirk them, which causes a stagnation in one's growth.

You have already avoided taking on responsibilities, when asked to do a task that you would have been excellent at. So enjoy your karma....

FancyMancy wrote:

If all PMs/DMs are always seen by all - or the relevant - staff all of the time, every single time, and laws permit that, then I withdraw my comment. I thought it was important enough to make note of.

Pretty much every mainstream platform at least provides the possibility for the administration to be aware of the contents of private messaging. This is not just unique to this forum, or other forums, but is especially true for large platforms such as Instagram, Facebook, and other private messaging software. Whether that is actually used by respective administrations and moderators is another aspect of this issue.

I think you got your idea from letters, and you are right about that. In that context, around that framework, it would be illegal for anyone other than the sender and recipient to open the contents if not in all countries, then at least in most. Although that too has its limitations. For example in cases of investigations by officials.

I will use this thread for a certain problem (i am not sure if it has been discussed before) Some new members use their real photos on their profile as avatars. Maybe it would be worth making some note or warning to prevent them from doing it and protect them?

Scorpio wrote:View source

I will use this thread for a certain problem (i am not sure if it has been discussed before) Some new members use their real photos on their profile as avatars. Maybe it would be worth making some note or warning to prevent them from doing it and protect them?

YES!

I also mentioned this. Also, options such as giving your birthday or anything personal should be deleted!

Caspian wrote:View source

It is good that the mail option exists, since governments can actually harass ppl by going undercover and finding out someone's IP address through their email header. This has happened before in here. I'm personally grateful for this option.

AFODO wrote:View source

YES!

I also mentioned this. Also, options such as giving your birthday or anything personal should be deleted!

Emails, too. They shouldn't be asked for imo. Refer to the above quote as to why