About Diet & Zevism

Shadowcat wrote:

It essentially comes down to energy indeed which is why we must eat. Plants conduct photosynthesis to use direct sunlight for food. Plant eaters take up that energy when they graze and likewise then with carnivores who eat meat. It's a literal chain.

I wonder if our yogic breathing and foundation meditations can have these effects directly in the long term. Aside from decreased appetite possibly being a kundalini manifestation, I wonder if this also can come from the body absorbing energy directly these ways which is basically the closest an animal would get to photosynthesis so to speak. Energy from the sun is literally fuel in several ways.

The physical body requires physical sustenance, which is from physical foods. However, the sunlight does also "Feeds" the very soul. And less of this type of hunger [sometimes conflated with physical hunger which can lead to obesity], can bring a balance to the material hunger.

I Have bought a tub of "Greens" I add it to my protein shake it tastes fine and gets me all my greens and goodness,
obviously not the same as eating a nice sunday roast but it does the job.

I also like reading about what the ancients eat.

My pal who gets me supplements is greek i asked can you speak Ancient greek said he couldnt, but his daughters are taking lessons.

Great to learn that also 8-)

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Shadowcat wrote:

It essentially comes down to energy indeed which is why we must eat. Plants conduct photosynthesis to use direct sunlight for food. Plant eaters take up that energy when they graze and likewise then with carnivores who eat meat. It's a literal chain.

I wonder if our yogic breathing and foundation meditations can have these effects directly in the long term. Aside from decreased appetite possibly being a kundalini manifestation, I wonder if this also can come from the body absorbing energy directly these ways which is basically the closest an animal would get to photosynthesis so to speak. Energy from the sun is literally fuel in several ways.

The physical body requires physical sustenance, which is from physical foods. However, the sunlight does also "Feeds" the very soul. And less of this type of hunger [sometimes conflated with physical hunger which can lead to obesity], can bring a balance to the material hunger.

This gave me an idea. I'm going to make sure I do all my meditations before getting in my first meal of the day. I sometimes eat way too much since it takes a while for me to feel satisfied which i think mostly has to do with trauma of almost being forced to overeat because how I was raised. "If i dont eat today will I be able to tomorrow?" type of thinking along with being hit and/or yelled at if I don't finish my food even if I wasn't hungry or full.

Even though i work out everyday it wouldn't be such a problem if I didn't gain and lose weight very quickly. I'm close to finding my balance since addressing my issues but I'm wondering if not "feeding" my soul has to do with it too. So perhaps when I do my meditations first I won't have the urge to eat more because my soul and mind won't feel that empty hole that I was trying to fill with food. Granted I need to make sure of not feeling like I'm about to "die" from hunger if I'm going to do all my spiritual routine beforehand but personally for me I can go all day without eating and not feel so bad.

EnkiUK55 wrote:

I Have bought a tub of "Greens" I add it to my protein shake it tastes fine and gets me all my greens and goodness,
obviously not the same as eating a nice sunday roast but it does the job.

I also like reading about what the ancients eat.

My pal who gets me supplements is greek i asked can you speak Ancient greek said he couldnt, but his daughters are taking lessons.

Great to learn that also 8-)

The Greeks I've met for the most part are always into being healthy. They all seem to know about the Blue Zone of their country that has people easily living to a very old age thanks to eating the food grown in their area.

HP Zevios Metathronos, what do you believe about the diets for certain blood types ? For example, blood type O must eat only meat, dinkel spaghetti, certain fruits like figs etc

I wish more than anything I could eat steak and fish all day, maybe one day. I'll try to go hunting in a month or two see if I have any luck. I am trying to get into a certain fitness, and what I am finding the most difficult is getting 200g of protein in my diet a day while still staying calorie deficient, as I do need to lose a little weight.

I cut out all processed foods except the protein powder I am using, hopefully I can do that as well soon.

hailourtruegod wrote:

EnkiUK55 wrote:

I Have bought a tub of "Greens" I add it to my protein shake it tastes fine and gets me all my greens and goodness,
obviously not the same as eating a nice sunday roast but it does the job.

I also like reading about what the ancients eat.

My pal who gets me supplements is greek i asked can you speak Ancient greek said he couldnt, but his daughters are taking lessons.

Great to learn that also 8-)

The Greeks I've met for the most part are always into being healthy. They all seem to know about the Blue Zone of their country that has people easily living to a very old age thanks to eating the food grown in their area.

Oh of course the Med diet also. I went to cyprus I know its not Greece (well some parts think)

They eat beter than us UK for sure :lol: :lol:

Meteor wrote:

I think it's fascinating just how differently diets can affect people.

I always ate the same things as my family members back when I lived with them, and yet I was underweight while they were all at a healthy weight. There wasn't anything wrong with the food they prepared; it was always very balanced, the portions would've been big enough for most people and left my stomach feeling full, and nothing important seemed to be missing. But when I moved out, I started eating a lot more meat and other foods that are rich in protein than I used to (simply because I felt a craving for it), and I finally started to gain some weight after all these years. And now a few years later, thanks to this meat-heavy diet (if you can call it a "diet"; I'm basically just eating whatever I want to, which happens to be a far above average amount of meat), I've finally been able to maintain a stable, healthy weight for a whole year. I feel so much more energetic than I used to as well. Maybe it's just that my metabolism is rather fast, so proteins, which normally release energy very slowly, work perfectly for me, whereas other foods leave me malnourished. But if others ate as much as I did, they would probably get sick or tired (due to the slow digestion) or become overweight.

Also, when I eat sugar, for some reason I get a headache and it makes me feel very tired, so I try to avoid it.

In my experience, it's probably best to just pay attention to your body and see what works best for you personally, and avoid foods that make you feel ill. My older brother was able to overcome a gut disease which his doctors called "incurable" just by experimenting with his diet for a while. Dietary freedom is important, as people should eat what suits their own body's specific needs best.

Meteor who can know us better than ourselves? Then if we dedicate a little more time to ourselves we understand things we didn't know before, but this time spent on yourself is much more important than other things you could do alternatively in my opinion :ugeek:

SATchives wrote:

I wish more than anything I could eat steak and fish all day, maybe one day. I'll try to go hunting in a month or two see if I have any luck. I am trying to get into a certain fitness, and what I am finding the most difficult is getting 200g of protein in my diet a day while still staying calorie deficient, as I do need to lose a little weight.

I cut out all processed foods except the protein powder I am using, hopefully I can do that as well soon.

Of course it's difficult, and thankfully so since it would ruin your kidneys, and any organ involved in digestion of proteins and in excretion.

If you have the time, also avoid calorie-deficient diets. It's better to stay at maintenance and increase physical activity instead. Gymnasts, for example, do not have bulking and shredding cycles, yet they are the fittest and most well-rounded athletes around. Their strength gains easily transfer to nearly every discipline.

Stormblood wrote:

SATchives wrote:

I wish more than anything I could eat steak and fish all day, maybe one day. I'll try to go hunting in a month or two see if I have any luck. I am trying to get into a certain fitness, and what I am finding the most difficult is getting 200g of protein in my diet a day while still staying calorie deficient, as I do need to lose a little weight.

I cut out all processed foods except the protein powder I am using, hopefully I can do that as well soon.

Of course it's difficult, and thankfully so since it would ruin your kidneys, and any organ involved in digestion of proteins and in excretion.

If you have the time, also avoid calorie-deficient diets. It's better to stay at maintenance and increase physical activity instead. Gymnasts, for example, do not have bulking and shredding cycles, yet they are the fittest and most well-rounded athletes around. Their strength gains easily transfer to nearly every discipline.

can you further elaborate? I probably burn 2000 ish when I am not doing boxing and 2500 + when I do boxing, so I should eat that amount is what you are saying? To be honest I've tried eating different things all my life and still haven't found what really works for me. I do love seafood thats probably one of the easier ways I get protein, and don't eat too much red meat because its expensive, I do like it though. I also really love raw veggies, mainly when I grow them. I started growing moringa last year and next year I should have enough of it growing that I should be able to add it to my diet in sufficient ammounts so I will be trying that next year. In the long run I want to be healthy with a body like the pictures that Depict our Gods, such as Zeus/Baal Zebul

and I wasn't planning on staying at the calorie deficient diet for long, like 3 - 4 months. I just want to get rid of this belly fat I have had, I got in a wreck two years ago and I gained a lot around their that I am getting rid of now, but I didn't see improvments until I started going to 1700-2k diet and doing boxing. Working out was just building muscle under fat, which is what I was doing previously. So I am changing it up and doing body weight/boxing for a bit until I lose this weight and then I'll progress muscle size either through calisthenic or weight training with a eating regime that balances out.

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I know this can be off topic, but what or how should be our stance towards hunting?

Elas Qilar wrote:

I know this can be off topic, but what or how should be our stance towards hunting?

Completely fine.

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

In Zevism there are no dietary restrictions. As it has been stated, one is able to eat anything they think is best for them, what they like, but also, since our only sin is stupidity, we should be tentative to a healthy lifestyle.

There are no real "specific diets" that one has to follow. The optimal diet to follow is what satisfies one, and what one is most importantly healthy from. This ranges between people, changes with medical conditions, and also what one wants to attain.

When it comes to specific spiritual practices, specific choices of food may be the best thing to follow. In short, if you want to do serious meditations, you might want to avoid foos that cause gasses on the stomach, and foods that make you extremely heavy or uncomfortable.

Overeating, or under eating, can indirectly affect the quality of your meditation. This can be overcome when you are very experienced, but it is better to avoid this. You cannot sit to calmly meditate while experiencing extensive hunger or extensive filling.

The purpose of eating food, it's extremely important to eat nourishing food. Let us not comment on what garbage "Food" circulates this world or how it's constantly being devalued in it's essence and properties, with much of it being empty junk that hardly provides nutrition.

In Ancient Greek, the word for "Food" is etymologically related to the notion of "Light". [Fai-Fos]. The good food is not only nourishing to the material body, but also energizing the body that can later increase the soul.

Inside food, there is contained, to a lesser or higher extent, a certain portion of light, or rather, it's created after ingestion inside the body. Depending on the food, the release can be slower or faster [sugar is the fastest but wears off quickly and is of measly essence, cards are slower, proteins the lowest, the list goes].

Meat absorbs slower, and releases more of this living energy. Greens and other similar foods, do provide another level of this energy or in plain, bioelectricity.

All of the above is to be related to your inner balances. There is no specific diet you must follow in Zevism. The diet of other people might not for you, be deadly, and or might simply not fit your necessities.

Anyone who tries to enforce a specific "diet", is only shilling and one must never listen to them. Because that is irrational nonsense. As one also is different as an individual or a human being [race also], certain diets that work with one can be incompatible with another.

There are people who can drink milk in the gallons, and people who if they drink one glass, unease and other problems ensue quickly.

These also relate to your elements in your body, personal health situation, or what you seek to attain. You can also check into Aurvedic or Chinese Medicine and get more information about your specific case here, but also, when you are past a point, this will arise for you out of meditation and because of how well connected you are to your own body.

Shadowkat wrote:

It essentially comes down to energy indeed which is why we must eat. Plants conduct photosynthesis to use direct sunlight for food. Plant eaters take up that energy when they graze and likewise then with carnivores who eat meat. It's a literal chain.

I wonder if our yogic breathing and foundation meditations can have these effects directly in the long term. Aside from decreased appetite possibly being a kundalini manifestation, I wonder if this also can come from the body absorbing energy directly these ways which is basically the closest an animal would get to photosynthesis so to speak. Energy from the sun is literally fuel in several ways.

The physical body requires physical sustenance, which is from physical foods. However, the sunlight does also "Feeds" the very soul. And less of this type of hunger [sometimes conflated with physical hunger which can lead to obesity], can bring a balance to the material hunger.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My diet is out at the moment HP

Im doing a bulk aiminig for 17st eating everything in sight...(adding vitamins green supplements etc)

Im taking medication that is causing constipation so im kind of freaking out is it the additional food medication....oh bro am fed up of it having to take laxatives.

I moght just stick to gym stop going for "bulk" and focus on proper diet.

I think this sermon by Hps Pythia is super important and full of wisdom.

Addictions, etc.
By High Priestess Pythia
Date: 2/5/2012
There is a thread in the main ToZ e-group concerning cigarettes, tobacco use, now caffiene and energy drinks, marijuana use and so forth. Ok, everyone knows cigarettes are extremely bad. My point of this post is through meditation, when you get to a certain level, you will no longer have cravings for things that are harmful for you.

I eat and drink as I please, though in moderation. I know this is a touchy topic, but trying to fight an addiction isn't always the best way to go. If there is a serious problem, then try working on the addiction by affirming you are completely free from the desire for whatever it is you are addicted to. Do the 40 day Satanic rosary working beginning during a waning moon.

As for eating and drinking habits, hatha yoga will offset a lot of things regarding health, no different from working out and weightlifting; as these make your body system stronger and heighten your immune system.

If someone wants to cut out certain foods or drinks from one's diet, this is a personal choice and is fine. Drinking energy drinks , drinking coffee and such...I can assure you, these won't affect your powers. I am sitting here right now with a high caffiene mountain lightning soda and chocolate bar. I have also found caffiene can amplify the energy buzz and the aura at times. I like caffiene and will drink it for the rest of my life. Like I said, I eat and drink as I please and always will.

Zevism is not about abstinance. If someone chooses to abstain, this is free thought and free choice, but definitely not manditory or required for spiritual advancement. Abstinance is of the enemy programs. What good is power meditation if you have to give up pleasure, or getting what you want? With the plethora of enemy writings and crap out there that is corrupted trash and tons of not only wrong, but outright deadly advice regarding opening the soul and spirtiuality, this bleeds over into people believing they have to completely abstain in order to make any spiritual progress. Then the endless bullshit of can't do this; can't do that in the way of using your powers, in order to keep true power in the hands of the enemy at the top.
Not with Satan's way.

There is an old saying 'the tightest grip is with an open hand.' Freedom is the key to spiritual advncement.

Abuse and consistent overindulgence of recreational drugs, alcohol, and such will obviously cause one problems, not to mention addiction, which DOES put holes in the aura. Use common sense. Again...if there is a serious problem or any problem where one wishes and desires to be free from anything...use the 40 day working. This may even have to be repeated. Trying to use force and fighting an addiction is not the best way to go. Same as there is a lot to be said about the soft martial arts. Force is not always necessary. It feels so much better when the desire for something harmful is completely gone forever, instead of using so much energy fighting the addiction every day. Ridding the desire is what power meditation is all about, as much as getting what you want and your desires fulfilled. Never forget this, as this is reaching the godhead...masterting your own life and destiny. This is the essence of True Zevism.

SATchives wrote:

Stormblood wrote:

SATchives wrote:

I wish more than anything I could eat steak and fish all day, maybe one day. I'll try to go hunting in a month or two see if I have any luck. I am trying to get into a certain fitness, and what I am finding the most difficult is getting 200g of protein in my diet a day while still staying calorie deficient, as I do need to lose a little weight.

I cut out all processed foods except the protein powder I am using, hopefully I can do that as well soon.

Of course it's difficult, and thankfully so since it would ruin your kidneys, and any organ involved in digestion of proteins and in excretion.

If you have the time, also avoid calorie-deficient diets. It's better to stay at maintenance and increase physical activity instead. Gymnasts, for example, do not have bulking and shredding cycles, yet they are the fittest and most well-rounded athletes around. Their strength gains easily transfer to nearly every discipline.

can you further elaborate? I probably burn 2000 ish when I am not doing boxing and 2500 + when I do boxing, so I should eat that amount is what you are saying? To be honest I've tried eating different things all my life and still haven't found what really works for me. I do love seafood thats probably one of the easier ways I get protein, and don't eat too much red meat because its expensive, I do like it though. I also really love raw veggies, mainly when I grow them. I started growing moringa last year and next year I should have enough of it growing that I should be able to add it to my diet in sufficient ammounts so I will be trying that next year. In the long run I want to be healthy with a body like the pictures that Depict our Gods, such as Zeus/Baal Zebul

and I wasn't planning on staying at the calorie deficient diet for long, like 3 - 4 months. I just want to get rid of this belly fat I have had, I got in a wreck two years ago and I gained a lot around their that I am getting rid of now, but I didn't see improvments until I started going to 1700-2k diet and doing boxing. Working out was just building muscle under fat, which is what I was doing previously. So I am changing it up and doing body weight/boxing for a bit until I lose this weight and then I'll progress muscle size either through calisthenic or weight training with a eating regime that balances out.

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I think I sent an incomplete message earlier. Apologies for this. What I meant is not to avoid a calorie deficit altogether. What I meant is to achieve your calorie deficient state through physical activity rather than reducing food consumption. This will help you more long-term. Boxing is amazing for getting and staying in shape, and also for anger management and aggression management purposes. Not to mention, it develops muscles that you wouldn't use otherwise, as you will surely have noticed. Punching and striking drills are not exactly part of other things such as gymnastics, calisthenics, weight-lifting and so on.

Also, the looks the statues have can be achieved with any training method if looks is your goal. If you want to be the strongest while still having an harmonious muscle size like the statues of the Gods in Ancient Greece, the only way is through gymnastics. This is because that was the discipline there and it has the greatest strength per size ratio. Other training disciplines develop less density, as scientific studies prove. It's more of question of what you are looking for. If you are looking just for appearance, then any means is great for that. Other pursuits (i.e. health, survival, tactical, strength...) will lower the pool of options. But this is unrelated to diet, so let's not discuss it here. Sorry for bringing it up. Force of habit.

Back to diet, one thing I can suggest, if you don't do it already, is to eat mindfully. In other words, focus only on the eating experience and what you wish to gain out of it, instead of eating mindlessly like other people who focus on tv, work or whatever while reading. Another thing I can suggest is to program your body to lose excess body fat. You can be specific with that and select how much you want of it, as well as what areas need to go first. Really focus on your body, even if you do it in a self-hypnosis experience instead of a working. It needs to become imprinted in your body and soul, so that it is manifested exactly as you want. Forever. Visualise it, feel it, etc.

Another good habit to pick up is, whenever you're visualising yourself doing something as a part of a working, self-hypnosis, or simply awareness meditation, is to visualise your body exactly how you want it to be, instead of visualising it like you are know. It's a minor detail in the visualisation as your goal is another in those cases, but it pays off without detracting from what you are doing. It needs to become part of your identity. You are not fat, chubby or whatever. You are fit and athletic like a Greek God. And this identity is connected to your values in x way.

Now, I'll stop with the unsolicited advice and you can tell me to fuck off, if you want lol :lol:

EnkiUK55 wrote:

My diet is out at the moment HP

Im doing a bulk aiminig for 17st eating everything in sight...(adding vitamins green supplements etc)

Im taking medication that is causing constipation so im kind of freaking out is it the additional food medication....oh bro am fed up of it having to take laxatives.

I moght just stick to gym stop going for "bulk" and focus on proper diet.

How's your yoga routine? Have you been doing it constantly? Personally it has helped me greatly with my digestion but I have to keep doing it everyday for it to be so. Idk if you have the exact same problem but just giving my two cents just in case it helps.

SATchives wrote:

can you further elaborate? I probably burn 2000 ish when I am not doing boxing and 2500 + when I do boxing, so I should eat that amount is what you are saying? To be honest I've tried eating different things all my life and still haven't found what really works for me. I do love seafood thats probably one of the easier ways I get protein, and don't eat too much red meat because its expensive, I do like it though. I also really love raw veggies, mainly when I grow them. I started growing moringa last year and next year I should have enough of it growing that I should be able to add it to my diet in sufficient ammounts so I will be trying that next year. In the long run I want to be healthy with a body like the pictures that Depict our Gods, such as Zeus/Baal Zebul

and I wasn't planning on staying at the calorie deficient diet for long, like 3 - 4 months. I just want to get rid of this belly fat I have had, I got in a wreck two years ago and I gained a lot around their that I am getting rid of now, but I didn't see improvments until I started going to 1700-2k diet and doing boxing. Working out was just building muscle under fat, which is what I was doing previously. So I am changing it up and doing body weight/boxing for a bit until I lose this weight and then I'll progress muscle size either through calisthenic or weight training with a eating regime that balances out.

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If I gain excess weight it's first noticeable around my gut and mostly stays there more than anywhere else of I gain more weight so I had to find ways to maintain my torso's physique even with doing martial arts and body weight workouts and what I have found is that doing core workouts like planks, side planks and side sit ups that focus on the obliques have gone a long way for me. And now I have a very strong core and looks strong as well. Perhaps you can implement similar workouts if you're having that stubborn fat around the same area.

hailourtruegod wrote:

EnkiUK55 wrote:

My diet is out at the moment HP

Im doing a bulk aiminig for 17st eating everything in sight...(adding vitamins green supplements etc)

Im taking medication that is causing constipation so im kind of freaking out is it the additional food medication....oh bro am fed up of it having to take laxatives.

I moght just stick to gym stop going for "bulk" and focus on proper diet.

How's your yoga routine? Have you been doing it constantly? Personally it has helped me greatly with my digestion but I have to keep doing it everyday for it to be so. Idk if you have the exact same problem but just giving my two cents just in case it helps.

Because im training for bulk mate I have neglected kundalini just a tad. Probably should maybe cap it at 17 or even a steady 16st. I would be happy with that (as long as i can do a number 2 :lol: )

You might just have cracked it for me thanks as I have a kundalini yoga DVD which has such poses to eliminate that.

Really struggling with said thing bro cheers.

EnkiUK55 wrote:

hailourtruegod wrote:

EnkiUK55 wrote:

My diet is out at the moment HP

Im doing a bulk aiminig for 17st eating everything in sight...(adding vitamins green supplements etc)

Im taking medication that is causing constipation so im kind of freaking out is it the additional food medication....oh bro am fed up of it having to take laxatives.

I moght just stick to gym stop going for "bulk" and focus on proper diet.

How's your yoga routine? Have you been doing it constantly? Personally it has helped me greatly with my digestion but I have to keep doing it everyday for it to be so. Idk if you have the exact same problem but just giving my two cents just in case it helps.

Because im training for bulk mate I have neglected kundalini just a tad. Probably should maybe cap it at 17 or even a steady 16st. I would be happy with that (as long as i can do a number 2 :lol: )

You might just have cracked it for me thanks as I have a kundalini yoga DVD which has such poses to eliminate that.

Really struggling with said thing bro cheers.

I'm against bulks but I can still advise that Sitkari and Sithali help with digestion and elimination. You can find in the page with all the breathing exercises.