I am in a relationship with a girl we really love each other, we have shared unique and rare moments together, our love is really powerful and we plan to move in together and get married.
However, there are things that bother me about her past, such as the fact that she had an ex-boyfriend, to think that she shared good times with him in the past bothers me a lot. In addition to that it bothers me to think that the way we have sex and her facial nuances, her bedside manner, etc. she may have done it with other people bothers me a lot.
I recently found out that before her ex she had other sexual experiences about 7 years ago, some of those unfortunately I have to tell the truth curiosity was stronger than me and I spied on her cell phone going to see her old chats and saw pictures and messages that really very very bothered me. I had gotten an idea of her as very puritanical and wholesome, instead finding out that she had had experiences in the past made me jealous and it bothered me to think that she let herself go to these people. I will preface this by saying that I was a virgin before this relationship with her, despite my age.
These thoughts of mine on some days are stronger than others, and they make my relationship more placid and I close myself off a little too much, on others I don't think about it at all and go through the day without any thoughts, and on still others I convince myself that the present is what I really need and is the only important and relevant thing in our relationship.
He told me several times that he wished he had known me earlier and avoided fictitious acquaintances, that thanks to me she discovered what true love is. In short she has mentioned to me several times that she regrets her previous relationship and the past (although about the sexual experiences 7 years ago she never told me about it, I found out by spying on her phone ), in fact I think this part also bothers me, the fact that she never told me about it, I tried to broach the subject once but she was offended telling me that she felt dirty talking about it with a pure person like me and that she doesn't want to broach the subject being all a memory for her that she would like to erase.
Despite this I still have a mental discomfort about it, what can I do to move on so that I only think about the present and the future with this girl ? Are there meditations or anything else about it that I can deal with ?
I want a relationship with her that transcends human time limits, we love each other so much that the very concept of love loses meaning, our love is much stronger than the very concept of love.
In fact I really believe that if my love had not been so strong, in any other kind of relationship with another girl I would have given in to my thoughts and would have broken off the relationship immediately thinking about her past.
Instead with her this does not happen precisely because we love each other so much.
Help me please, what can I do ? What meditations and magical work could I go through to improve ?
Discussion
Working on advancing in general is needed. These christian/muslim thoughts of how nobody should have sex before, is unnatural and anti-life. Clean your chakras, especially your sacral chakra. This also ties in with your spying on her, people tend to obsess like this from lower frequency chakras and mind.
You spying on her now in the present, would be considered by many as worse than her having sex with others in her past. You are disrespecting the privacy of the one you claim to love. How would you feel if you knew she was spying on you?
Know that when two people are together and in love, that's what matters. You likely had sex with others in your past lives, should you be held accountable for that? It is not just the current life that matters. So focus on what you have with her.
See the thing is , my friend , in a real relationship , both sides should be open to each other , and accept the things , look you cannot blame someone or get angry at someone for doing things that they did in the past , cause that time , they werent with you , and for them , that moment felt like it. So i mean sure , you as a man do feel jelous , but its not the womans fault for doing such things in the past , it felt convenient for her , she was in a relationship before as you said.
Her not sharing her past completely , might be one thing. But it dosent mean you Spy on her , i know my girlfriends past very well , and the things that she did. and she knows mine and the things that i did. We have openly talked about it , and accepted the past. And this is a very healthy thing to do , to openly talk about it. Cause if you truly love somebody , one shouldnt feel the need to hide anything from them.
If you want to remove those thoughts , talk it out with her brother , but you def cant blame her , cause she has no control over the past. The past is in the Past its gone. Sure body count does matter , but as i said we all can differentiate between genuine people.
Think about it that way , yes she had a past relationship , where she loved that guy , but did that love last ? NO, was it ment to be for her No ,cause my friend she is with you , and you both are ment to be . Its all a work of destiny.
Try to make more memorable moments with her . Listen , forgetting someones past dosent help , one can never forget their past , accepting the past , leads to growth . Cause everytime you will have fights you will get reminded of those pasts so why do that yes ? . Accept them , grow , move on , and it will lead you to a fruitful relationship.
As HPs Lydia said, the dream of "being the first and unique" partner to your spouse is christian. It is normal a partner experiences other partners before the right one, it is part of personal development for many people. This would cause the person to maybe seeking other partners later in life, because she never experienced anyone else but his unique partner. Some people say the best is to be "the last" partner for your spouse, not the first and only one.
You seem suffering for high insecurity as spying her phone is unfair, and a symptom of excess worry by your side.
i think this can be solved slowly with persistent working on 2nd and 3td chakras. Also, activities and sport to build up self.confidence may help (gym, martial arts, competition sports, pursuing material goals, etc.).
At the end, she chose you after other people. So you are her best now ! Try to think this way and feel proud of being object of her love. And your love for yourself...
She's not yours, it's just your turn.
Just as it was the turn of many other men
Enjoy
Don't project your ideal woman onto anyone.
She doesn't exist, that's even selfish.
No woman is as puritanical as Marianism and Christianity have made society think.
From what I've seen and experienced, the main reason this happen's is specifically because you are/were a virgin upon entering the relationship whereas she is the experienced one, and as the masculine person in this dynamic there is a feeling of insecurity due to the power imbalance.
If you were both experienced this insecurity is a lot less likely to occur as there is a certain "understanding" and maturity regarding sex, and it becomes something "normal".
To you currently, it is still this "almighty" thing which is the problem, you are giving too much weight to the act of sex itself alongside the insecurity stemming from a lack of experience.
Sex is best not to be treated as something too serious, at least in your mind. Be selective with partners obviously, but treat it as something playful and frivolous.
The only solution at this point I believe is just to become a beast in bed. Learn all the techniques. Knowing your performance is better than all her previous lover's, will perhaps restore some of the power imbalance seeing her uncontrollable pleasure and desire towards you.
If you act like a chump it only make's you look weak and repulsive.
From all the replies here... does it mean one should marry a prostitute or a porn star?
Friday13thx wrote:View source From all the replies here... does it mean one should marry a prostitute or a porn star?
Nobody said that and you know it.
People are people and will have relationships with other people. There's no way everyone can sit back and think '' I'm going to wait for my perfect match'', everyone has different needs.
Friday13thx wrote: This makes some sense... but what do you mean you'll never enter into a Zevist marriage because it's unfair to men?... also... the idea of marrying a woman who's sex tape is allover the internet or who has been passed around by almost all the men in my neighborhood beats me despite being Zevism... I just can't bring myself to that
your not wrong , your correct.
Friday13thx wrote: This makes some sense... but what do you mean you'll never enter into a
Women can lie about their past.
Can you get someone with few partners? Yes, you can, but it's a bit difficult.
Do a magic job by specifying "few partners"
A Zevist relationship is a relationship between two Zevist people.
I would never have a relationship with a Zevist woman, that's what I meant.
The same happens in Christianity, the man is induced to marry
And the woman is usually in charge of everything, and has greater freedom.
In Zevism it's almost the same, except that you're not exactly forced to get married but it's recommended, as Priestess Lidia recommended.
Nowadays, women benefit more from relationships than men.
I support polytheistic polygamy
The man had total ownership over his children and wives, he usually had several wives and several children.
While the rest, i.e. more than half of the men, would be virgins.
In this way, Eugenics and the man's authority came naturally.
Ĥl·lĥæ wrote:View source Women can lie about their past.
Can you get someone with few partners? Yes, you can, but it's a bit difficult.Do a magic job by specifying "few partners"
A Zevist relationship is a relationship between two Zevist people.
I would never have a relationship with a Zevist woman, that's what I meant.The same happens in Christianity, the man is induced to marry
And the woman is usually in charge of everything, and has greater freedom.
In Zevism it's almost the same, except that you're not exactly forced to get married but it's recommended, as Priestess Lidia recommended.Nowadays, women benefit more from relationships than men.
I support polytheistic polygamy
The man had total ownership over his children and wives, he usually had several wives and several children.While the rest, i.e. more than half of the men, would be virgins.
In this way, Eugenics and the man's authority came naturally.
I never said it's recommended to get married. If it's right for the couple, then ok. But if it's not right, then they shouldn't.
As for women benefitting more than men in a marriage, this is ignorance. Women usually do far more housework than the man while often working just as much.
As for "And the woman is usually in charge of everything, and has greater freedom." It always varies from couple to couple. In many relationships it's the man who has more control and more freedom.
Ĥl·lĥæ wrote:View source Women can lie about their past.
Can you get someone with few partners? Yes, you can, but it's a bit difficult.Do a magic job by specifying "few partners"
A Zevist relationship is a relationship between two Zevist people.
I would never have a relationship with a Zevist woman, that's what I meant.The same happens in Christianity, the man is induced to marry
And the woman is usually in charge of everything, and has greater freedom.
In Zevism it's almost the same, except that you're not exactly forced to get married but it's recommended, as Priestess Lidia recommended.Nowadays, women benefit more from relationships than men.
I support polytheistic polygamy
The man had total ownership over his children and wives, he usually had several wives and several children.While the rest, i.e. more than half of the men, would be virgins.
In this way, Eugenics and the man's authority came naturally.
You're being both incredibly ignorant when it comes to the nature of women and also highly disrespectful towards your Zevist sisters.
Women aren't objects. As a self-respecting woman, I too wouldn't want a man whore - it makes sense that a lot of people wouldn't enjoy having a promiscuous partner.
But supporting "men having total ownership over his children and wives" and stating that women benefit more from marriage while, in most cases, still doing most of the child rearing, chores, and household management is, with all due respect, delusional.
Why is it that most men are, statistically speaking, living longer and happier lives while married?
The Zevism view of seeing women as actual human beings and not objects with limited worth isn't christian or corrupted.
You're entitled to your own views, but you're not helping anyone get into meaningful relationships with your advice.
HPS Lydia wrote:View source I never said it's recommended to get married. If it's right for the couple, then ok. But if it's not .
So I retract my statement that you recommended it.
It must have been a misinterpretation.
ᥫ᭡. Echos ৻ꪆ wrote:View source You're being both incredibly ignorant when it comes to the nature of women a
I find it very sad that Christianity created monogamous marriage.
Things have only deteriorated.
You're inexperienced and are going through disillusionment after idolizing your partner and falling in love with not only them but your idea of them.
Mate guarding and monogamy and jealousy is a natural instinct, especially for men. It's also natural to value purity and innocence. The insecurity and everything you're experiencing is normal and expected.
But don't let the basic instincts override your conscience and get in the way of you having a good thing by causing you to doubt and self sabotage. Invading her privacy was not necessarily a good idea, and stresses the relationship, but what's done is done and hopefully your concerns are satisfied and trust can regrow stronger after this.
The fact that she didn't say much about her exes is not a bad thing either. It suggests she's not stuck on them. It's generally not good to date people who keep exes around and talk about them alot, but you have to judge it case by case.
Almost nobody is really "pure", the vast majority of people fool around and have flings, sometimes several concurrent ones, everybody's seeing somebody, often people they will forget about in a few week's time. It's not "clean" but it's not the '40s anymore, life is different and society is different and you have to play the game according to the rules of the times.
Don't let the feelings of insecurity and etc control you. Center yourself on yourself and use the thoughts and feelings as fuel to improve yourself and free yourself from seeking the validation and assurance of others.
Ĥl·lĥæ wrote:View source I find it very sad that Christianity created monogamous marriage.
Things have only deteriorated.
The monogamy has not been created by christianity. We have Gods that are monogamous. Would you say They are, too, following christian beliefs?
I thank everyone for the responses, I am much better currently I can think much more about the present than the past.
I agree with some of the users, the fact that I may feel so annoyed may be due to my nonexistent sexual experience in the past, although she states that with me she has received the best sex she has experienced so far, and indeed it seems that way to me as well.
I also wanted to communicate an argument, in these days, meditating, I realized that the issue that bothers me most is not the fact that she had an ex-boyfriend, it is instead the fact that she had sex before her ex with how many ? other 1/2/3 idk guys and that with these guys she let herself be tempted, writing with these guys that she wanted to have sex that she felt like doing it and things like that. .. i really think it was the way she acted that made me so sad, maybe also because at the time i met her, she was a different person i never had such an un ''pure'' image of her past and her. To think that she, she went miles out of her way to get fucked by a guy, or to call that guy at her house makes me fall into the abyss ... to think that she let herself go to these futile people makes my hatred against them rise very very high.
And this is happening to me at this very moment as I write. I will preface this, however, by saying that these days although I have been thinking about it, I haven't given it any thought, trying to follow your advice I have really felt much better and have experienced a healthy relationship.
AskSatanOperator wrote:View source I thank everyone for the responses, I am much better currently I can think much more about the present than the past.
I agree with some of the users, the fact that I may feel so annoyed may be due to my nonexistent sexual experience in the past, although she states that with me she has received the best sex she has experienced so far, and indeed it seems that way to me as well.I also wanted to communicate an argument, in these days, meditating, I realized that the issue that bothers me most is not the fact that she had an ex-boyfriend, it is instead the fact that she had sex before her ex with how many ? other 1/2/3 idk guys and that with these guys she let herself be tempted, writing with these guys that she wanted to have sex that she felt like doing it and things like that. .. i really think it was the way she acted that made me so sad, maybe also because at the time i met her, she was a different person i never had such an un ''pure'' image of her past and her. To think that she, she went miles out of her way to get fucked by a guy, or to call that guy at her house makes me fall into the abyss ... to think that she let herself go to these futile people makes my hatred against them rise very very high.
And this is happening to me at this very moment as I write. I will preface this, however, by saying that these days although I have been thinking about it, I haven't given it any thought, trying to follow your advice I have really felt much better and have experienced a healthy relationship.
It's okay, you're normal. Perhaps you understand the nature of men & women better now. Don't forget that they are part of the animal kingdom and have a lower nature. You might find it interesting to study the parts of your natal chart that have to do with relationships. Good luck.
ᥫ᭡. Echos ৻ꪆ wrote:View source You're being both incredibly ignorant when it comes to the nature of women and also highly disrespectful towards your Zevism sisters
I've been analyzing your text and now I'm well equipped to write about it.
Well, let's get started.
Well, first there's a statement or two
ᥫ᭡. Echos ৻ꪆ wrote:View source Women aren't objects. As a self-respecting woman, I too wouldn't want a man whore - it makes sense that a lot of people wouldn't enjoy having a promiscuous partner.
Here you make a classic claim that women are not objects, even though I don't claim that.
In the second part it's not just an empty statement, it's an explanation of why you wouldn't stay with men who have relationships with several people, and that according to you you're a woman of respect.
I find it hard to find a woman who doesn't say that to herself and to others, but anyway.
Maybe they're all respectful.
ᥫ᭡. Echos ৻ꪆ wrote:View source But supporting "men having total ownership over his children and wives" and stating that women benefit more from marriage while, in most cases, still doing most of the child rearing, chores, and household management is, with all due respect, delusional.
Here you are telling me that I'm wrong to say that men don't benefit as much from relationships.
And that a man's authority over his wife and children is a mistake.
1 If you think that claiming a man's natural authority is wrong, it means that you don't really think that the man currently has it, it means that in fact, the woman is quite free and not trapped in the relationship.
2 you talk about a duty to take care of the children and the house, as if it were something bad, because given the context we are talking about benefits and harms in the relationship.
So based on the woman's "duty" you say that assuming the woman's advantage is a lie because she has certain duties, which then for you are like a non-benefit.
But I want you to tell me
Is the woman obliged to do this?
Simply no, she doesn't have these obligations, and nowadays housework and childcare are shared when both are careerists.
If the woman isn't a careerist, she still does the housework
Which is infinitely better than working 7 hours straight at something risky, or work.
Since in this environment the woman can choose her rest time, she can eat better and she can still be in the company of her children.
Something that I think should be seen as a benefit.
But you seem to see it as a kind of harm to the relationship.
ᥫ᭡. Echos ৻ꪆ wrote:View source Why is it that most men are, statistically speaking, living longer and happier lives while married?
These statistics aren't everything.
It's important to look at the overall gender statistics.
It's quite clear that due to the care given to women, and their strong support from the state and close family members
women have a relatively better quality of life than the average man.
The quality of life and longevity of the wife is much higher than that of the husband, when the marriage is really conservative (woman at home, man at work).
The statistics show this clearly
The man doesn't live a longer life in the relationship exactly because of the woman.
He lives a longer and "better" life because, having the responsibility of looking after his wife and children, he tends to work more.
Creating more resources and security for himself.
Marriage creates a sense of duty in men, making them work harder at things.
This is a mental thing, and the woman shouldn't be "taking care of him".
ᥫ᭡. Echos ৻ꪆ wrote:View source The Zevism view of seeing women as actual human beings and not objects with limited worth isn't christian or corrupted.
You're entitled to your own views, but you're not helping anyone get into meaningful relationships with your advice.
I didn't say that was christian, please read it properly.
I said that Zevism thinks that the desire for a virgin woman is christian.
You say I'm not helping anyone.
But my goal really wasn't to give happy relationship tips, that was never my message.
I just cited a polytheistic model of relationships that has been around for a long time.
That was the rich man with good genetics adopting several women.
While 80% of poor men would be virgins.
Research shows that women are willing to share the same man when he's very attractive.
Women are more attracted to experienced men,
And who knows how to teach them how to have sex, not the other way around.
Men prefer women with little experience
A man's insult to a woman is to call her a whore
A woman's insult to a man is to call him a virgin or sexually defective.
Note that things are reversed
Your comment is simply pure sentimentality.
And I don't judge, women tend to write out of sentimentality, not logic.
In a way, there are many contradictions in your text.
Regarding the polytheistic relationship model, note that it is anti-male, men suffer and women benefit more.
Whereas Christianity founded monogamy and marriage to benefit poor men without genetics.
Anyway...
