If I use moon square for trance is it spiritual or physical

[The Phantom Stranger]

Should I use the physical square or spiritual square? Also should I use the shortened version? Because the reps are huge at times. I mean I guess I can do the longer version but still... is the shortened version like significantly weaker or something? In that case I will use the full mantra

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

Should I use the physical square or spiritual square? Also should I use the shortened version? Because the reps are huge at times. I mean I guess I can do the longer version but still... is the shortened version like significantly weaker or something? In that case I will use the full mantra

Same question for Mars in scorpio square, which I will begin today on a Tuesday. So could someone answer me is concentration a physical or spiritual thing, which version of square to use for the following mantra "My ability to concentrate is being greatly enhanced in a happy way for me"

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

Should I use the physical square or spiritual square? Also should I use the shortened version? Because the reps are huge at times. I mean I guess I can do the longer version but still... is the shortened version like significantly weaker or something? In that case I will use the full mantra

Same question for Mars in scorpio square, which I will begin today on a Tuesday. So could someone answer me is concentration a physical or spiritual thing, which version of square to use for the following mantra "My ability to concentrate is being greatly enhanced in a happy way for me"

Actually I don't know if I have faith in Mars square. I barely felt an energy buzz. Even after 25 reps. I guess I'll just become extremely obsessed with meditation to increase my focus.

 

[MattTheSockdemon]

Should I use the physical square or spiritual square? Also should I use the shortened version? Because the reps are huge at times. I mean I guess I can do the longer version but still... is the shortened version like significantly weaker or something? In that case I will use the full mantra

Same question for Mars in scorpio square, which I will begin today on a Tuesday. So could someone answer me is concentration a physical or spiritual thing, which version of square to use for the following mantra "My ability to concentrate is being greatly enhanced in a happy way for me"

If you don’t understand it you shouldn’t be doing it. this is very basic. besides why bother with a square for concentration, literally search topics for concentration

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

I'll just meditate 5 minutes minimum everyday from now on. Also I'll do breath of fire regardless of whether I feel the energy buzz or not. I guess I'll be able to feel energies later. But I think they work even if you don't feel the buzz because I never felt an energy buzz while doing opening of third eye.

I think my goal right now is to simply master trance.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

I'll just meditate 5 minutes minimum everyday from now on. Also I'll do breath of fire regardless of whether I feel the energy buzz or not. I guess I'll be able to feel energies later. But I think they work even if you don't feel the buzz because I never felt an energy buzz while doing opening of third eye.

I think my goal right now is to simply master trance.

There is a small trick with meditation. When you do it consistently everyday, you build this up overtime even if the first few days or even weeks you feel next to nothing.

A big mistake people make is to stop doing it because they don't feel much, or they stop doing it when the effects become lesser, thinking either it isn't working or thinking they no longer need to do it.

Regarding opening of the chakra's. If you don't feel anything, you need to keep doing it. The guideline is only a guideline.

My crown chakra was very stuck when I was new. I would feel nothing when meditating on it, and after doing the crown chakra opening I felt nothing at all.

However, I understood that is not normal and the chakra must be very stuck, so I kept at it, everyday I would spend hours trying to get it open.

I would vibrate mantra's for dozens of times, I would spend a very long time focusing on the crown, trying to feel it and trying to spin it.

It was exhausting, physically I was tired, it was like trying to turn a giant millstone that had gotten stuck by hand.

It took over a month of effort to finally get something to budge. I went on the extreme in stubbornness to get it to open and did 1000 vibrations of Maum in one session on it, because I became impatient.

It has opened then alright, and I had splitting headaches for over a week. However, after I recovered and learned my lesson to be patient, I could feel my crown chakra and spin it.

No longer was it a millstone, but a smooth and well oiled ball bearing so to speak, spinning with a simple thought.

If at any point I had quit working on it because I felt nothing at all to begin with, I would still be stuck right now with a closed crown chakra, thinking and complaining perhaps why nothing seems to work.

You must put in the effort and you must stick with it.

It is impossible not to succeed in opening your soul when you put in the consistent work with the strong desire to succeed.

Why are you meditating? Do you want to empower your chakra's and aura? Do you want to master the ability to succeed in magic workings? Do you want to see and hear the Gods in person?

Then, what are you waiting for? Just do the work.

 

[WiseDragon]

If all it took to obtain great concentration and the ability to master the trance states was just vibrating some Mantras, it would be awesome...sadly this is not how it works.

Mantras can only enhance what you already have. To create your basis you need to practice, then practice and then practice some more. There are no shortcuts.

The reason why you don't feel the energy buzz when you use Mantras is due to the lack of a basis most likely, not because of the Mantra itself. No, there is no Mantra to compensate for this, you have to Meditate for a considerable amount of time everyday.

Squares are for people who have experience in Meditation, there is a reason they are not placed in the beginner section, you have to build yourself first. Going too fast and taking shortcuts in the Occult is really a mistake that you want to avoid, it's very dangerous.

 

[Syt]

Hi VoE,
I don't want to hijack the topic but I thank Satan for your reply. I recently ask him for guidance and I feel your reply was for me.
I've been having issues with my feeling some of my chakras that have me confused and giving up. This same applies in feeling Saturn and Jupiter energies from their planetary mantras. MAUM/LAUM feel very weak for me. GURUAVE and BHAUMAYA too. I no longer feel much that I would resort to heavy cleaning, spinning, and trying different mantras only to get burned out and stressed out.

I have some questions if you could offer me some guidance.

1. After so many years, I no longer feel much of anything from a complete chakra sessions of using the AUM mantras. I've tried switching to the RAUM meditation, runes, divine names, and spinning for empowerment. Are the AUMS mostly for "tuning" or empowerment? Would the planetary mantras (GURUAVE, SURYAE, etc.) be more empowering instead of the AUMS?

2. I've experimented with vibrating BRIHASPATI for Jupiter and MANGALA for Mars. I've felt the energy a bit more using these mantras but very fleeting and then eventually nothing. Should I be continue to be consistent in using what's on the JOS as you say or change my approach?

3. My astral vision immediately improves when breathing energy directly into my third eye and spinning it. I don't see the same results when vibrating any mantra.
My libido also greatly improves when breathing energy into the front sacral chakra vs. vibrating mantras in the main chakra. I understand that mantras connects the soul and supercharges our entire vibration to that of the mantra's specific frequency. This is what brings about manifestation. But why would breathing energy be more effective in empowering? Should I drop mantras and opt for breathing instead?

HS.

I'll just meditate 5 minutes minimum everyday from now on. Also I'll do breath of fire regardless of whether I feel the energy buzz or not. I guess I'll be able to feel energies later. But I think they work even if you don't feel the buzz because I never felt an energy buzz while doing opening of third eye.

I think my goal right now is to simply master trance.

There is a small trick with meditation. When you do it consistently everyday, you build this up overtime even if the first few days or even weeks you feel next to nothing.

A big mistake people make is to stop doing it because they don't feel much, or they stop doing it when the effects become lesser, thinking either it isn't working or thinking they no longer need to do it.

Regarding opening of the chakra's. If you don't feel anything, you need to keep doing it. The guideline is only a guideline.

My crown chakra was very stuck when I was new. I would feel nothing when meditating on it, and after doing the crown chakra opening I felt nothing at all.

However, I understood that is not normal and the chakra must be very stuck, so I kept at it, everyday I would spend hours trying to get it open.

I would vibrate mantra's for dozens of times, I would spend a very long time focusing on the crown, trying to feel it and trying to spin it.

It was exhausting, physically I was tired, it was like trying to turn a giant millstone that had gotten stuck by hand.

It took over a month of effort to finally get something to budge. I went on the extreme in stubbornness to get it to open and did 1000 vibrations of Maum in one session on it, because I became impatient.

It has opened then alright, and I had splitting headaches for over a week. However, after I recovered and learned my lesson to be patient, I could feel my crown chakra and spin it.

No longer was it a millstone, but a smooth and well oiled ball bearing so to speak, spinning with a simple thought.

If at any point I had quit working on it because I felt nothing at all to begin with, I would still be stuck right now with a closed crown chakra, thinking and complaining perhaps why nothing seems to work.

You must put in the effort and you must stick with it.

It is impossible not to succeed in opening your soul when you put in the consistent work with the strong desire to succeed.

Why are you meditating? Do you want to empower your chakra's and aura? Do you want to master the ability to succeed in magic workings? Do you want to see and hear the Gods in person?

Then, what are you waiting for? Just do the work.

 

[RockSeed13]

I'll just meditate 5 minutes minimum everyday from now on. Also I'll do breath of fire regardless of whether I feel the energy buzz or not. I guess I'll be able to feel energies later. But I think they work even if you don't feel the buzz because I never felt an energy buzz while doing opening of third eye.

I think my goal right now is to simply master trance.

There is a small trick with meditation. When you do it consistently everyday, you build this up overtime even if the first few days or even weeks you feel next to nothing.

A big mistake people make is to stop doing it because they don't feel much, or they stop doing it when the effects become lesser, thinking either it isn't working or thinking they no longer need to do it.

Regarding opening of the chakra's. If you don't feel anything, you need to keep doing it. The guideline is only a guideline.

My crown chakra was very stuck when I was new. I would feel nothing when meditating on it, and after doing the crown chakra opening I felt nothing at all.

However, I understood that is not normal and the chakra must be very stuck, so I kept at it, everyday I would spend hours trying to get it open.

I would vibrate mantra's for dozens of times, I would spend a very long time focusing on the crown, trying to feel it and trying to spin it.

It was exhausting, physically I was tired, it was like trying to turn a giant millstone that had gotten stuck by hand.

It took over a month of effort to finally get something to budge. I went on the extreme in stubbornness to get it to open and did 1000 vibrations of Maum in one session on it, because I became impatient.

It has opened then alright, and I had splitting headaches for over a week. However, after I recovered and learned my lesson to be patient, I could feel my crown chakra and spin it.

No longer was it a millstone, but a smooth and well oiled ball bearing so to speak, spinning with a simple thought.

If at any point I had quit working on it because I felt nothing at all to begin with, I would still be stuck right now with a closed crown chakra, thinking and complaining perhaps why nothing seems to work.

You must put in the effort and you must stick with it.

It is impossible not to succeed in opening your soul when you put in the consistent work with the strong desire to succeed.

Why are you meditating? Do you want to empower your chakra's and aura? Do you want to master the ability to succeed in magic workings? Do you want to see and hear the Gods in person?

Then, what are you waiting for? Just do the work.

What kind of pain was it? Like needles or something else? How did you count, did you use a counting program or 1000 head beads? Is your sahasrara chakra fully spinning now?