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Hope, a dangerous illusion

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Hope is a nice feeling but it's one of the worst diseases ever invented.
When you have hope, you tell your mind to stop looking for solutions.
The earlier you identify a problem and start focusing your mind on it, the more opportunities you have to find a solution. As you wait, opportunities slip away. As you wait some more, more opportunities slip away, until you are left with no options.

Not having hope is uncomfortable at first. I know how it feels but it's something that you must force yourself to go through. You may feel stressed, you may get depression, sadness, feeling of being powerless or that you can't change anything. Just be aware that it's nothing but an illusion. You are powerful and you can do everything. The only limits that you have are self imposed.

Never use limiting words. Never say that you can't do something or doubt your abilities.
 
Rat Hope Experiment. They put rats into tanks of water to see how long it would take for them to get too weak to swim and drown and die. The first time they did it they swam for like 10 or 15 hours before they drowned. The second time they did it, after about 10 hours swimming the people took them out of the water and dried them off and gave them some food, then put them back into the water. And these rats swam for like 65 hours before they died, because they had the hope that the person would come and rescue them again.

I might be a little bit wrong about the number of hours because I never read about this, but I heard it described in a way like this.
 
Ol argedco luciftias said:
Rat Hope Experiment. They put rats into tanks of water to see how long it would take for them to get too weak to swim and drown and die. The first time they did it they swam for like 10 or 15 hours before they drowned. The second time they did it, after about 10 hours swimming the people took them out of the water and dried them off and gave them some food, then put them back into the water. And these rats swam for like 65 hours before they died, because they had the hope that the person would come and rescue them again.

I might be a little bit wrong about the number of hours because I never read about this, but I heard it described in a way like this.

That's what happens with people as well. Without hope, most will give up and die. But hope is not a solution and there's a third option : https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=325094#p325094
 
AgainstAllAuthority said:
Hope is a nice feeling but it's one of the worst diseases ever invented.
When you have hope, you tell your mind to stop looking for solutions.
The earlier you identify a problem and start focusing your mind on it, the more opportunities you have to find a solution. As you wait, opportunities slip away. As you wait some more, more opportunities slip away, until you are left with no options.

Not having hope is uncomfortable at first. I know how it feels but it's something that you must force yourself to go through. You may feel stressed, you may get depression, sadness, feeling of being powerless or that you can't change anything. Just be aware that it's nothing but an illusion. You are powerful and you can do everything. The only limits that you have are self imposed.

Never use limiting words. Never say that you can't do something or doubt your abilities.

This is a very strange perspective, I think you got the right idea but it was projected incorrectly.

Using the rat experiment as an example of what true hopelessness would be like, once the rats were in the water they'd do absolutely nothing to prevent their drowning. In the controlled environment they might as well have, but they didn't know their situation was truly hopeless. Like the rats, we can't know for certain if we could survive or not. Our reality is more complex than the experiment was, it might seem as if it's not but either way it is beyond our knowing. The dangerous illusion would be to allow your drowning in survivable circumstances, not fighting for your survival at all in the face of challenges. When you apply hope in circumstances, you will as you say allow opportunities to slip away. But if you apply hope in your ability to preform your goals, this isn't the case at all. Having hope might allow you to survive long enough to overcome the challenges of today, and envision a better tomorrow. Nothing ever lasts forever.
 
RED DAWN said:
Using the rat experiment as an example of what true hopelessness would be like, once the rats were in the water they'd do absolutely nothing to prevent their drowning. In the controlled environment they might as well have, but they didn't know their situation was truly hopeless. Like the rats, we can't know for certain if we could survive or not. Our reality is more complex than the experiment was, it might seem as if it's not but either way it is beyond our knowing. The dangerous illusion would be to allow your drowning in survivable circumstances, not fighting for your survival at all in the face of challenges. When you apply hope in circumstances, you will as you say allow opportunities to slip away. But if you apply hope in your ability to preform your goals, this isn't the case at all. Having hope might allow you to survive long enough to overcome the challenges of today, and envision a better tomorrow. Nothing ever lasts forever.

What I'm trying to convey is that it's better to not think of your chances of success.
Both hope and hopelessness are bad : if you think that you'll win, your will to fight won't be as strong. If you think that you'll lose, your will to fight will also perish.
Just focus on fighting. Do not think what may or may not happen in the future.
 
AgainstAllAuthority said:
Hope is a nice feeling but it's one of the worst diseases ever invented.
When you have hope, you tell your mind to stop looking for solutions.
The earlier you identify a problem and start focusing your mind on it, the more opportunities you have to find a solution. As you wait, opportunities slip away. As you wait some more, more opportunities slip away, until you are left with no options.

Not having hope is uncomfortable at first. I know how it feels but it's something that you must force yourself to go through. You may feel stressed, you may get depression, sadness, feeling of being powerless or that you can't change anything. Just be aware that it's nothing but an illusion. You are powerful and you can do everything. The only limits that you have are self imposed.

Never use limiting words. Never say that you can't do something or doubt your abilities.




I think it depends on the situation. Self-knowing is better than hope but both can be detrimental if boundaries aren’t in mind. When you’re faced with a hard situation like someone’s potential death, it’s good not to be black and white and to have hope so that your life isn’t ruined in the mean time or that the situation isn’t pessimistic and even more devastating than it needs to be. Both hope and fear are entirely irrelevant when it comes to facing facts and reality though and acting based on fact/reality. It doesn’t do anyone any good to deny the reality of a situation, because of hopes. Hopes are definitely relevant to falsehood. False hope can also cause depression, but it can also be motivating. It’s just not relevant to certain things. If you hope something will happen, like “I hope I score this job or guy/girl if I do xyz” and it happens, it’s rewarding and that hope motivated you to do it. It’s related to want.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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