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Jack The GOOD guy
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Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby Jack The GOOD guy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:39 pm

Are there any magikal ways to obtain persuasion mastery and oratory skills at giving good speeches that move audience ? If so please share with me.
I want to move some fellow goyim into more rightey place though I suck at arguments,speeches and self expression.
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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby Makzol » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:57 am

The Ansuz rune and you could practice speeches by giving them to others and asking what they thought about it.

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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby natalie_lion's_heart » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:24 am

It's not a magical solution but it works if you pay attention while reading books. Reading (with understanding) tons of different books will help broaden the way you talk and think.
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Larissa666
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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby Larissa666 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:12 am

I have that, and I haven't did really anything to get it.

I am even using it to get myself what I need sometimes.

I cannot tell you how to do it, because I do not know how to teach others to do it. For me, it is just something that I do. Dunno how to explain that.

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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby NaziMan12 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:04 pm

Jack The GOOD guy wrote:Are there any magikal ways to obtain persuasion mastery and oratory skills at giving good speeches that move audience ? If so please share with me.
I want to move some fellow goyim into more rightey place though I suck at arguments,speeches and self expression.


For speeches you should try and stay focused on what and how you are going to say your next words/sentences. You do that and you can block out any thoughts you have or anxiety you feel.
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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby Gerecht Ror » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:10 pm

It also depends on your Planetary placements in your Natal Chart.
Pluto aspeting your Mercury, or in your 3rd House or aspecting your 3rd House cusp, can give a gift for literally transform people trough the use of words or communication in general.
Your interest in this ability may come from this, or from a temporary Pluto transit on your Mercury or the points I mentioned before.
Working on boosting Mercury energies blended with Pluto power could be the power you are looking for. This can be made with a Planetary Square of Mercury during the Transit. Also invoking Pluto energies if aspecting Mercury, but this should be approached slowly as Pluto energies might be uncontrollable and go out of control.
I cannot searc the groups now, but I am sure HPs Shannon or some other HP posted somewhere the Mantras for Pluto. Also for Scorpio as a constellation, in case Natal Mercury is in Scorpio.

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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby Personal Growth » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:13 pm

I know you explicitly asked for something in the occult for persuasion but I have some information I'd like to share.

This I found whilst doing research myself to learn how to get better and more persuasive in my out and about sales profession.

Now of course you need to always have an airtight logical case. But they say a person makes a decision subconsciously first and then afterwards make logical justifications for their subconscious decision.

And what those super persuasive sales professionals do to be so successful and persuasive was to make use of language patterns. And they also have stories in their arsenal to tell of how so and so had same problem and bought product and lived happily ever after type of stories.

These language patterns are the linguistic bridges that you can use in your speech to help you get their subconscious thinking in the way you want it to.

You can start with using these four linguistic bridges first because they create a smooth flow of ideas:
As
And
Because
Which means....

And these create a nice flow to slide your ideas in by and once you've mastered using those four you can start learning the rest of the Milton Model language patterns.

These language patterns or hypnotic bridges are formed from the late hypnotist Milton Ericsson. And I learnt them from Igor Ledochowski's self study course. "The Power of Conversational Hypnosis."

Milton Ericsson never taught his conversational hypnosis to anyone but after his death they went through all of his writings and they picked up patterns.

And these language patterns are the core. The essence of Milton Ericsson's conversational hypnosis.

There are 47 of them and take your time to learn them slowly and deliberately. Remember the proverb: How do you eat an Elephant?

Well you eat an elephant bit by bit. Not all in one go!

Another thing was to pay attention to your pronunciation of the words you use. Like if you say "sad." You make your voice sound slower and downer. You don't say a word like "sad" in a happy fast energetic upbeat tone.

And of course you speak in just said fast, excited, energetic tones for the word "happy!"

So do pay attention to pronunciation and correct use of tones because you say more with your tones than you do with your words!

Here are the Milton Model Language patterns that will make you more interesting and persuasive if you learn them and incorporate and use them in your language:

1. What would it be like if......

2. If you were to.....

3. You don't have to.....

4. You really shouldn't......

5. ......to the point where......

6. Notice......

7. It's as if......

8. What's it like when....

9. .....means......

10. You might realise.....

11. You should remember.....

12. The more.....the more.....

13. As.....said.....

14. Most people can, (persons name).......

15. As soon as....you'll.....

16. How do you know when you're...?

17. Will you....or.......or......?

18. Every time you...., you.....

19. Will you.... Now or.... Later?

20. When you find yourself.....

21. Imagine.....

22. I know you're wondering....

23. Just pretend for a moment that....

24. When you....

25. A person can, Mr....

26. As you,....,you.....

27. It's not necessary that....

28. You might find yourself.....

29. .....and.....

30. Notice what it's like when/ as....

31. You may be wondering......

32. Have you ever.....

33. Because......, you can......

34. It's a good thing to/ you're....

35. You may notice....

36. One can, you know, Mr.....

37. You could......, couldn't you?

38. I wonder if you realise......yet?

39. Sooner or later....

40. There is no need to...., until.....

41. And how will you,.....

42. It's fact, fact, fact and......

43. If you......, then.....

44. Suppose.....

45. When you realise....

46. Remember....

47. Allow....

So there you have it. The 47 language patterns of the Milton Model that will make you much more influential and persuasive if you put your ideas into them.

So for example:

1. What would it be like if there was actually something hidden behind the scenes. I don't know maybe like a sneaky click that operate and control from behind the scenes like JF Kennedy said in the speech that got him killed...Remember he's opposed to secret organisations....

2. If you were to notice the fact that xtianity isn't what it's purported to be and is in fact a tool that was forcibly pushed on the populace through the inquisition and witch trials to remove spiritual knowledge, then you might realise that there could be quite a lot of misinformation in what people know and believe in today.

3. You don't have to take my word for it. It's only natural you take in what you can see and understand up to this point....

4. You really shouldn't see the world in a different way, the fact that the media is wholly owned and controlled by a specific race, until you've come to realise this as a fact....

Okay I don't want to bore you trying to show you how to use the patterns. Just put your idea you want them to consider in them and let them work on the audiences subconscious mind.

And I've had problems from speaking the truth and so keep my mouth shut now. But please remember not to let people know what you're about.

As Satan said you do not know what those without might do.

In my opinion being anonymous on the internet is best. And just to be unknown to those you associate with.

Remember anything you say will be used against you. So be very wary of your safety when trying to educate the blind.

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Academic Scholar
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Re: Persuasion and oratory influence help

Postby Academic Scholar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:48 pm

I recommend reading How To Talk To Anyone by Leil Lowndes. It’s a free PDF online and is extremely helpful for things like this, in my opinion I think everyone should read it. A tip from one of her books is to completely say every syllable of every word you speak in order to make your voice and speaking much more beautiful. This advice came from a friend of hers who took speaking classes and narrated commercials.
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