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[Jack]

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I just said I could vibrate it at that speed. Not that I find it appropriate. In fact spending 30-45 minutes blasting out 216 with one vibration per breath is more my style.

But it's time consuming and burning out.

To be honest I kinda just quite doing this working. Back in June 5th I did perform the 40th day for a munka working JoS relationship wise.

Right now the only things I'm doing are Clean/Algs x30(The runic energies of algs is protecting me at all times and in everyway)/Mindfulness/Chakra spin/Air element x7(x18 My air element is permanently balancing and empowering in a healthy, positive, and beneficial manner for me)/Foundation breath/Suryayay cleaning(The energies of Suryayay protect me at all times and in everyway)

Even spending a few minutes for mindfulness or void or whatever you want to call it is burdensome. I know it's only 5 minutes and it helps but frankly with the amount of years I've been dedicated and doing this daily for closing in on two years or nearly three years is annoying.

I guess I love meditation but meditation doesn't love me back. What can I say meditation and magic have not exactly helped my life in any meaningful way. I keep trying don't get me wrong but in the end it doesn't work for me. I do it, got nothing better to do but does bother me meditation isn't what others state occurs.

Guess I've been doing meditation all wrong all these years or it just doesn't work for me.

What is your experience in vibrating algiz vs suryae. Which do you feel is more powerful ?

[The Alchemist7]

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You don't do any proper work for the soul as a whole, like RAUM meditation which is very good for empowering the soul.

You don't do any Yoga, which is also very important for the Kundalini (Kundalini Yoga) or Hatha Yoga which is good for the body (flexibility, plus I heard it helps with the chakras)

You aren't working on your astral senses.

And you work only on air element, which I believe is dangerous. I'm not working on the elements at the moment but when that time will come, I will make a schedule which will alow me to meditate on all of them in the same amount.

Then you say doing void meditation for 5 minutes daily became annoying... then it means that your aren't able to focus properly, which is an obstacle in your advancement. When you do a meditation, you have to be 100% focused on the respective area of the soul and not thinking at something else during the meditation. In this way you will directionate the energy in that area properly.

So I believe you need to reconsider your meditation program. The weird thing is, you say you meditate because you haven't got anything better to do, so it means you have a lot of free spare time, which you can use on study or improving your meditations.

[Gear88]

What is your experience in vibrating algiz vs suryae. Which do you feel is more powerful ?

I don't feel anything there is no difference. I just do it.

The only reason I do it is because well there is nothing better to do with my time so I just do it.

And the difference is nothing. Algs for protection and Suryayay for cleaning and protection.

Not to sound delusional but I talked to the voice that states she is my succubus and she said to me Suryayay works slightly better maybe 15% better than Surya, the extra yay boosts it for me. I told her I don't feel any difference whatsoever. She just said keep meditating and maybe you'll open up, with that attitude you'll get no where.

So basically one is protection, the other is cleaning plus protection. Technically I do 3 reps of Returning curses affirmation. I was doing 18 reps with Suryayay x36 but the affirmation feels weird it only protects when someone is doing something what about natural negativity being pumped in the air. So I switched to "The energies of Suryayay is permanently protecting me at all times and in every way". To boost the protection from all negative sources.

@Jack I simply vibrate AAA-LLL-GGG-SSS and SSS-UUU-RRR-YYY-AAA-YYY-AAA-YYY, and it feel like nothing at all. I simply vibrate something with my voice while doing my best to visualize white-gold hopefully it doesn't turn into yellow and do it. What can I say I never felt anything.

You guys state differences and whatnot and some of you guys talk like you've been meditating for decades and can feel the slightest difference positive or negative wise. It's weird I just sit there or for the most part stand or walk around vibrating.

It gets to the point of why am I in a spiritual community if I feel nothing. What can I say I got nothing better to do than to do this. Might as well mess around and see if something happens in the future.

Yes I walk around while meditating, I simply have no inclination to sit down and spend even just 3 minutes vibrating 30 vibrations or 36 vibrations or whatever. I don't feel anything what can I say. Maybe I'm locked out of meditating or entering a trance. Perhaps this is the main problem since 2003, not being able to enter a trance. But what if I achieve a trance and nothing happens or nothing develops. That's another issue that I have in mind.

I guess sometimes it makes me think if meditation is simply minfulness(void) and everything we do is some crazy sham that does nothing. Yes other spiritual sites state some things like ours protection or cleaning and whatnot. But sometimes I think is what I'm doing wasting my time even though I got nothing better to do. What does doing something with my mind do. If our thoughts do nothing and the mind is just a thinking device why would simply thinking about something spiritual affect our soul, mind, or body.

I guess in the end not feeling nor sensing nor noticing anything out of the ordinary makes me think. Spirituality is bogus and just a joke. Or if not a joke far out of reach of man incapable of returning back to it. Too much degeneration.

I know, I know don't trash yourself but I do trash myself a lot.

[Gear88]

...yoga...

Used to do Yoga. Gets very annoying even doing 1 minute holds for the 18-20 minutes gets annoying.

In fact I diversified Hatha by doing breathing exercises. So while doing it I would do moolah bandha and pranayama. In other words deep full breath 1, deep full breath 2, and so forth but even low reps gets annoying. I mean sure it makes the Hatha more complex with doing in various asanas bandha and in all pranayama. Breath counting managed to get to 25 reps or so before I quit. If I had done a full 88, 100, or 111 not gonna do 216 obviously I'd probably be spending 40 minutes at least doing Hatha.

As for Kundalini it's not as annoying but after a while it's like why the fuck am I doing this.

In reality meditation does nothing for me. It just feels like a chore and even though I have nothing better to do I genuinely don't want to meditate.

It's an everyday thing and it's just an annoyance. I mean where do I go what do I do. I know meditation takes time but I literally have not felt a damn thing about it.

I mean why should I do meditation if nothing in returns occur. And yes a long back while I used to do MerKaBa it does nothing, perhaps when I first did in my teenage years nearing 2005 or in 2005. It did something to the negative. But I can genuinely state meditation does nothing for me.

It's like at what point does something happen or when do I change positions or whatnot. I'm not gonna dedicate two hours just to do yoga and some other basic things. It's funny even basic, the most basic, meditation gets annoying like doing cleaning with the complexity of cleaning in returning curses and cleaning and protecting. It's like by the time your done just a mild meditation session at least 15 minutes have passed by.

I have plenty of time but I just don't see the point in wasting time doing for so long when I could be doing more important things.

It's like what is the exact meditation path for someone who wants to start at Stage zero. Meditation does things physically, mentally, and spiritually; all of that is nice and all but not for me. Maybe I'm one of those people whereby meditation never works for them and is just another activity to waste time as there is nothing better to do.

[Jack]

What is your experience in vibrating algiz vs suryae. Which do you feel is more powerful ?

I don't feel anything there is no difference. I just do it.

The only reason I do it is because well there is nothing better to do with my time so I just do it.

And the difference is nothing. Algs for protection and Suryayay for cleaning and protection.

Not to sound delusional but I talked to the voice that states she is my succubus and she said to me Suryayay works slightly better maybe 15% better than Surya, the extra yay boosts it for me. I told her I don't feel any difference whatsoever. She just said keep meditating and maybe you'll open up, with that attitude you'll get no where.

So basically one is protection, the other is cleaning plus protection. Technically I do 3 reps of Returning curses affirmation. I was doing 18 reps with Suryayay x36 but the affirmation feels weird it only protects when someone is doing something what about natural negativity being pumped in the air. So I switched to "The energies of Suryayay is permanently protecting me at all times and in every way". To boost the protection from all negative sources.

@Jack I simply vibrate AAA-LLL-GGG-SSS and SSS-UUU-RRR-YYY-AAA-YYY-AAA-YYY, and it feel like nothing at all. I simply vibrate something with my voice while doing my best to visualize white-gold hopefully it doesn't turn into yellow and do it. What can I say I never felt anything.

You guys state differences and whatnot and some of you guys talk like you've been meditating for decades and can feel the slightest difference positive or negative wise. It's weird I just sit there or for the most part stand or walk around vibrating.

It gets to the point of why am I in a spiritual community if I feel nothing. What can I say I got nothing better to do than to do this. Might as well mess around and see if something happens in the future.

Yes I walk around while meditating, I simply have no inclination to sit down and spend even just 3 minutes vibrating 30 vibrations or 36 vibrations or whatever. I don't feel anything what can I say. Maybe I'm locked out of meditating or entering a trance. Perhaps this is the main problem since 2003, not being able to enter a trance. But what if I achieve a trance and nothing happens or nothing develops. That's another issue that I have in mind.

I guess sometimes it makes me think if meditation is simply minfulness(void) and everything we do is some crazy sham that does nothing. Yes other spiritual sites state some things like ours protection or cleaning and whatnot. But sometimes I think is what I'm doing wasting my time even though I got nothing better to do. What does doing something with my mind do. If our thoughts do nothing and the mind is just a thinking device why would simply thinking about something spiritual affect our soul, mind, or body.

I guess in the end not feeling nor sensing nor noticing anything out of the ordinary makes me think. Spirituality is bogus and just a joke. Or if not a joke far out of reach of man incapable of returning back to it. Too much degeneration.

I know, I know don't trash yourself but I do trash myself a lot.

Bro I think you need human contact. Go to a support group or something. You seem to be heavily depressed. Go talk to some support group people where they sit around in a chair and say things. At least go talk to your mom everyday and ask her about things. If you want to cry and let it out cry and let it out. I can feel intense emotional pain emanating from you just by reading your posts. I didn't pay attention to it before but this is very serious. Try to walk around outdoors for an hour or two. Research has shown people who spend time outdoors are happy and live longer. Im not sure how I can help you since I've already given you the best advice I can.

[Gear88]

Bro I think you need human contact. Go to a support group or something. You seem to be heavily depressed. Go talk to some support group people where they sit around in a chair and say things. At least go talk to your mom everyday and ask her about things. If you want to cry and let it out cry and let it out. I can feel intense emotional pain emanating from you just by reading your posts. I didn't pay attention to it before but this is very serious. Try to walk around outdoors for an hour or two. Research has shown people who spend time outdoors are happy and live longer. Im not sure how I can help you since I've already given you the best advice I can.

It's funny don't remember if it was 2018 or 2017 but I did a 40-day working Lydia posted at some point in time. And perhaps it's hitting me, it was a Vynn 88. I think it was for depression or something to do with lacking in happiness. I did it to the best of my abilities and when I read what you wrote I don't seem depress. Perhaps there is a depression but it isn't clinging unto me in a prominent way. So it's possible that working did something or is doing something. Can't state for sure all I know is for 40 days right around 7 or 8 PM Vynn 88 plus her affirmation she posted.

And I am seeing a therapist. Actually told her about my religion and politics. And not an eyelash was batted even when telling about the big lie. She was like I don't care about what you are, everyone has their own opinion and whatnot, nothing wrong with you.

She did state recently I integrated my politics-religion with my identity. There is me and this plus and she wants to remove this plus and separate my identity and be myself. I found it funny because a certain astrological aspect I have creates a chameleon person. Shame I can't state more but I'm prone to either wearing masks or other people's mask even emulation of them to a degree. Almost like stating I mirror them and their rapport is better cause they think they are talking to themselves.

She said doing what I did at 12 years old is very strange most kids are not even paying attention to such things. Your personality seems like you solidified it over 16 years ago, rather than the traditional 18-26 year area when the personality solidifies. I told her well to be honest years back when I was like 7 is when I hardened especially considering '96, '97 I got cable TV and watched history channel a lot and like the WW2 documentaries and found it to be a obsession. Even as time went by searching the internet and really up to JoS when I found it. Did spend most of my school years delving in my fantasies on WW2 and alternative history scenarios and whatnot. Guess I just tuned out school and ignored it.

I will admit I do kinda feel bad delving into national socialism, well really neo-nazism, at the time. Not for any particular reason other that due to my astrological chart I never held a concrete view of myself. Basically what is my true self, do I have a true self, I think in my opinion I have no true self. Which scares some people with those thoughts because it makes them feel awkward about their own selves and reality.

Also I do walk around a lot in my house and in my backyard in a large circle around my yard. Mostly talking to myself and interacting with my own fantasies and whatnot

I have read an astrological aspect about exercising that it helps the neptunian energies settle down to focus on the carnal body and not so much the mind and soul. But I'm not an exercising person despite have an appreciation for it. Even if I did it would take a while to help me ground the fantasy whereby it becomes safe to reintegrate daydreaming and make it more realistic and have realistic goals. Though since I never exercised in any meaningful way I can't state if it's true or not. I mean yeah your being realistic focusing on the body but will it even help the fantasizing(daydreaming).

I guess I could be depressed but it's just feels like normal everyday mood or fog of moods I experience. Very changeable in my moods and activities. Funny used to say a lot I'm a robot cause I never felt anything. Not literally but never felt like doing anything much or whatever. So I kinda memed myself into believing I need to feel something, to do something. Why would I do something without feeling seems like some people just go by the motions not actual spark of interest.

[The Alchemist7]

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I think you need to take your ass out of your zone and stop dabbling around. I know how you are. The depression is so deeply rooted in your soul that you don't have any urge to meditate or do anything else. I know by experience that meditation helps to deal with depression. But you are not meditating at all. If you vibrate in the same way like you would be spelling normal words while you think at unicorns how the fuck you expect something to happen? You need to understand that nothing is coming by itself. If you don't put some dedication and patience in your meditations and you do them in a total superficial way like vibrating while you walk around the room and think at totally something else, after 40 years you will be in exactly the same state like now, with no advancement or any improvement in your life.

The meditation is not annoying, you are just making excuses for it because your expectations are way too big comparing to the way you meditate. You wish to become advanced by meditating in a very superficial way without any contribution from yourself, which is impossible. You need to push yourself to do the things properly. I know is not easy to exit this toxic state of depression which pushes you into laziness, but if you don't help yourself with this nobody can do it. You don't need anybody to teach you how to meditate properly because meditation is something which you feel, nobody can set a general outcome of the meditations for everybody because we are all different souls on different levels of power, so meditations affect us different. What works best for me can be less effective for you and so on. Just follow the instructions on each meditation and do your best to feel and materialize it. Focus on it and use your mind to vizualize how your goal is already achieved, try to feel the energy, power and the heat of every meditation. Also, be more useful for yourself and for the community, create yourself a proper meditation program, do RTRs, do online activism, do something for the italian JoS, study the JoS websites, you will be so busy that you won't have time anymore to make excuses about how "annoying" or "useless" are meditations. This should also stimulate you to be more opened and sociable with the people around you.

[Jack]

Bro I think you need human contact. Go to a support group or something. You seem to be heavily depressed. Go talk to some support group people where they sit around in a chair and say things. At least go talk to your mom everyday and ask her about things. If you want to cry and let it out cry and let it out. I can feel intense emotional pain emanating from you just by reading your posts. I didn't pay attention to it before but this is very serious. Try to walk around outdoors for an hour or two. Research has shown people who spend time outdoors are happy and live longer. Im not sure how I can help you since I've already given you the best advice I can.

It's funny don't remember if it was 2018 or 2017 but I did a 40-day working Lydia posted at some point in time. And perhaps it's hitting me, it was a Vynn 88. I think it was for depression or something to do with lacking in happiness. I did it to the best of my abilities and when I read what you wrote I don't seem depress. Perhaps there is a depression but it isn't clinging unto me in a prominent way. So it's possible that working did something or is doing something. Can't state for sure all I know is for 40 days right around 7 or 8 PM Vynn 88 plus her affirmation she posted.

And I am seeing a therapist. Actually told her about my religion and politics. And not an eyelash was batted even when telling about the big lie. She was like I don't care about what you are, everyone has their own opinion and whatnot, nothing wrong with you.

She did state recently I integrated my politics-religion with my identity. There is me and this plus and she wants to remove this plus and separate my identity and be myself. I found it funny because a certain astrological aspect I have creates a chameleon person. Shame I can't state more but I'm prone to either wearing masks or other people's mask even emulation of them to a degree. Almost like stating I mirror them and their rapport is better cause they think they are talking to themselves.

She said doing what I did at 12 years old is very strange most kids are not even paying attention to such things. Your personality seems like you solidified it over 16 years ago, rather than the traditional 18-26 year area when the personality solidifies. I told her well to be honest years back when I was like 7 is when I hardened especially considering '96, '97 I got cable TV and watched history channel a lot and like the WW2 documentaries and found it to be a obsession. Even as time went by searching the internet and really up to JoS when I found it. Did spend most of my school years delving in my fantasies on WW2 and alternative history scenarios and whatnot. Guess I just tuned out school and ignored it.

I will admit I do kinda feel bad delving into national socialism, well really neo-nazism, at the time. Not for any particular reason other that due to my astrological chart I never held a concrete view of myself. Basically what is my true self, do I have a true self, I think in my opinion I have no true self. Which scares some people with those thoughts because it makes them feel awkward about their own selves and reality.

Also I do walk around a lot in my house and in my backyard in a large circle around my yard. Mostly talking to myself and interacting with my own fantasies and whatnot

I have read an astrological aspect about exercising that it helps the neptunian energies settle down to focus on the carnal body and not so much the mind and soul. But I'm not an exercising person despite have an appreciation for it. Even if I did it would take a while to help me ground the fantasy whereby it becomes safe to reintegrate daydreaming and make it more realistic and have realistic goals. Though since I never exercised in any meaningful way I can't state if it's true or not. I mean yeah your being realistic focusing on the body but will it even help the fantasizing(daydreaming).

I guess I could be depressed but it's just feels like normal everyday mood or fog of moods I experience. Very changeable in my moods and activities. Funny used to say a lot I'm a robot cause I never felt anything. Not literally but never felt like doing anything much or whatever. So I kinda memed myself into believing I need to feel something, to do something. Why would I do something without feeling seems like some people just go by the motions not actual spark of interest.

Stop going to that therapist. She is messing you up. Pretending to not care/accept what you believe and then using psychological tactics to try to change you is a therapists (job.) She's most probably a left liberal and your wasting money on her if you have been going to her and nothing is happening. And telling people your a Nazi can most certainly get you jailed or socially stigmatized to the point no one will hire you or be friends with you. Keep this part of you in absolute secrecy.

Your depression has nothing to do with National Socialism. Its your negligence given to your life and in particular being lazy. That's the cold hard truth. You can go to any number of therapists and read any number of books and yet feel like shit. A mans happiness lies in evolving himself and creating things. You need to be achieving things and trying to achieve success. The euphoria associated with getting the things you want is like no other,incomparable with any drugs or prescription medication (and you should never take any medication. You can take Aswagandha or Brahmi if you want to help with your mind but that's it.(search on amazon and you'll get tablets for these easily.)

[HP. Hoodedcobra666]

The next state of depression is not actually harder depression it's just totally feeling empty and utter nihilism, which is a post-depressive state. One loses all contact with their feelings at this point, happy or depressive.

If you want someone to lend you an ear you can pay anyone else but this psychologist. Pay a prostitute to listen to you instead or someone else, talk to a free toll line for suicide, but do not pay this person, it is a waste of your money.

She forgot to tell you that 65% of people are still depressed despite of their beliefs. Muh Democracy?

What does this even have to do with this? She is exploiting you to change your "beliefs".

As for her claim on National Socialism, I do not know any National Socialists who struggle with depression, and even less Satanists who are deep in Satanism, as after a point, this is controllable, and all mental loops that create this are either dealt with and one is awake, and is on a better path, which banishes depression. Maybe not at once but progressively, a building up process.

[Gear88]

Well to be honest I'm just pretending to listen to her. Not actually listen. Only reason I go is because I got nothing better to do with my time.

She told me to stop meditating I told her no. She immediately just said okay then just come back next week and we'll discuss some of your goals in life and what we can do to help.

To be honest I already told her beforehand that I wasn't gonna say anything cause it'll just get me on a hit list. To be honest I'm already on so many hitlists from going on this site on various devices and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised if some of you guys even with VPNs and whatnot are already fingerprinted to hitlists.

Alright you guys state things like laziness and not doing and this and that social stuff. Non of that interests me in fact judging from the situation.

The only reason why I even bother with meditation, Nazism, and all this stuff at this point in time is just mental curiosity. I only care because it's the only thing that exists. I'm just curious mentally. Oh immortality after doing Yoga for 20 years by activating the telomerse and telomarese. Oh okay neat "Takes mental picture" okay moving on what is next. Oh pyrokinesis after doing the fire element and compressing it to this chakra by doing it 10 or 15 years into your meditation. Oh okay neat interesting.

I've gotten to the point all of this is just mental curiosity. Does it exists who knows but at least I know the truth and at least I state the truth and am righteous for it. If I were to talk to people they'd probably asked if I achieved that the answer is no just curious facts I picked up on what meditation can do. Can I do it, nope, but it's possible you never know.

....even less Satanists who are deep in Satanism, as after a point, this is controllable..

It's funny HP Cobra I've been doing this since before you. When I found the JoS when I was 12 years old compared to most people they didn't even think of such things. I think the average age of youngest people was hitting the 15-16 mark right before their adult hood. The only others who did it at such young age the people who are not average where mistreated by their religion. The only others who do such things are people who are in such Hindu religions or some alternative religion like buddhism something meditation-wise but wanted to deeper their resonance.

Now your probably wondering why I worded the beginning of my paragraph in such way. Because I clearly remember you coming in sometime late '05, early '06 and you just POPPED out of the blue. I don't recall when you entered the JoS but explain to me how you became a high priest in such a short period of time?

The only possible capability of you being a high priest if you from the original clergy of the black rose group or member of the black rose group and then you came in and perhaps performed a ritual to free the demons at the time. Meaning you would not just be OG pre-JoS but your OG-JoS of the original clergy.

So how am I not a deep Satanist. Despite the fact I was not meditating for years of my life I did spend years upon years upon years thinking and researching about Satanism and Nazism and WW2 throughout my years since the dedication. In fact the dedication simply made me deepen to the truth. Despite the fact I never once had a desire or conscious desire of xtianity in my fantasies.

So again how am I not deep. What is deep? who is deep? are you "HP Cobra" deep? You type up all these sermons and all it states is your deep in whatever subject or subjects you peruse through but I don't see some spectacular occult information that is light-years ahead of people and whatnot. In fact in my opinion you downgrade the occult into such digestible manner that it loses that bon fle'vure or whatever french word exist that states it lost it's flair.

In fact judging from the situation HP Cobra your so realistic you kinda kill the occult spirit.

I'm not stating what your doing is wrong, malefic, or evil. You just state the occult is nature packaged in an everyday manner.

At the end of the day I don't know why your stating I'm not deep. I think deeply in such subjects everyday, how am I not deep. If it weren't for my Satanism and Nazism what would I be. I'd literally would have spent 16 years doing something else. For example I like video games but video games don't like me, funny growing up as a kid I would do poorly. I remember for years trying to advance through the races of Diddy Kong Racing, hard game, at the end I never completed the game or Banjo Kazooie.

In the end if I never found the JoS I'd probably be a hardcare daily gamer doing 12-15 hour runs throughout my day. In the end I got nothing better to do Nazism and Satanism are just a way of life. There isn't anything better to do or say or whatever.

Who knows if this something from my past life? or hell maybe it's a symptom of dying and spending my time in some limbo with National Socialists, spending years and years just talking as souls. Though I don't want to state any of that as it sounds delusional. But whatever it is I never grew up like other people.

You guys blame me for some things. Okay sure that is how I am, I am lazy, I don't want to live my life or do anything with my life. My life doesn't interests me, the only thing I care about is sex. Just like how I used to think during childhood-teenage years before just even a few years ago upon discovering the old Prophp forums. I would literally just think about WW2, Alternative History scenarios, Sex, Killing people, Creating school shootings; basically columbine the school, and whatever other times I thought perhaps just random stuff.

In reality school just made me realize that life is a COMPLETE and UTTER waste of time and serves no purpose. Your nation, your people, your society, your family defiles and corrupts you. With utter non-sense, I literally realized life is completely purposeless and serves absolutely no value.

You guys are lucky that I'am a reasonable person and can change and did change. Because for me most of the time I would just think about killing and murdering people as well a torturing. I realized most people need to die and be killed in brutal sadistic ways cause they express such worthlessness. Like for example at my clinic I saw a latina woman mid-late 30s early 40s with a child. Maybe hers or something and the only thing that popped into my head is "My god you just need to fuck and get that fucking frustration out of your pathetic piece of shit life". All her problems could have been solved with a nice tumble in bed.

But most people are just brain dead idiots that serve no purpose. Sometimes I would think is a 3 cent bolt action rifle full sized rifle round good enough to waste on someone. I mean it's 3 cents these 3 cents are more valuable than this person.

So guys remember my past this is the kind of person I was.

If you want I can post my astrological information or if you guys have a email and wish for me to drop it off. I'd do it to be honest if something happens to me well that just shows how pathetic and worthless life is.

What can I say guys not everyone is a nice person. I might seem nice on the outside and liked by people but considering myself I think evil inside.

[The Alchemist7]

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Dude you are a robot. I start to believe that the only thing that can be done to help you get out of your robotic depressed state is if we would all work together to donate you energy. In the same way like people are donating money to help a poor person with a horrible disease, you suffer from a "spiritual" disease and your soul needs shitlots of energy to heal itself.

[Gear88]

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Dude you are a robot. I start to believe that the only thing that can be done to help you get out of your robotic depressed state is if we would all work together to donate you energy. In the same way like people are donating money to help a poor person with a horrible disease, you suffer from a "spiritual" disease and your soul needs shitlots of energy to heal itself.

Please don't do that. I'm not asking people to harakiri themselves and their time for wasting it on someone like myself.

And it's funny you call me a robot; for a period of time, really every once in a while earlier in my youth. I would state I'm a robot cause I don't feel anything.

Can we just end this thread of have it closed so people don't reply to my worthless messages. Please Cobra/Mageson lock this thread.

[FancyMancy]

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Dude you are a robot. I start to believe that the only thing that can be done to help you get out of your robotic depressed state is if we would all work together to donate you energy. In the same way like people are donating money to help a poor person with a horrible disease, you suffer from a "spiritual" disease and your soul needs shitlots of energy to heal itself.

That's what depression is - low Bioelecticity.

[Jack]

Well to be honest I'm just pretending to listen to her. Not actually listen. Only reason I go is because I got nothing better to do with my time.

She told me to stop meditating I told her no. She immediately just said okay then just come back next week and we'll discuss some of your goals in life and what we can do to help.

To be honest I already told her beforehand that I wasn't gonna say anything cause it'll just get me on a hit list. To be honest I'm already on so many hitlists from going on this site on various devices and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised if some of you guys even with VPNs and whatnot are already fingerprinted to hitlists.

Alright you guys state things like laziness and not doing and this and that social stuff. Non of that interests me in fact judging from the situation.

The only reason why I even bother with meditation, Nazism, and all this stuff at this point in time is just mental curiosity. I only care because it's the only thing that exists. I'm just curious mentally. Oh immortality after doing Yoga for 20 years by activating the telomerse and telomarese. Oh okay neat "Takes mental picture" okay moving on what is next. Oh pyrokinesis after doing the fire element and compressing it to this chakra by doing it 10 or 15 years into your meditation. Oh okay neat interesting.

I've gotten to the point all of this is just mental curiosity. Does it exists who knows but at least I know the truth and at least I state the truth and am righteous for it. If I were to talk to people they'd probably asked if I achieved that the answer is no just curious facts I picked up on what meditation can do. Can I do it, nope, but it's possible you never know.

....even less Satanists who are deep in Satanism, as after a point, this is controllable..

It's funny HP Cobra I've been doing this since before you. When I found the JoS when I was 12 years old compared to most people they didn't even think of such things. I think the average age of youngest people was hitting the 15-16 mark right before their adult hood. The only others who did it at such young age the people who are not average where mistreated by their religion. The only others who do such things are people who are in such Hindu religions or some alternative religion like buddhism something meditation-wise but wanted to deeper their resonance.

Now your probably wondering why I worded the beginning of my paragraph in such way. Because I clearly remember you coming in sometime late '05, early '06 and you just POPPED out of the blue. I don't recall when you entered the JoS but explain to me how you became a high priest in such a short period of time?

The only possible capability of you being a high priest if you from the original clergy of the black rose group or member of the black rose group and then you came in and perhaps performed a ritual to free the demons at the time. Meaning you would not just be OG pre-JoS but your OG-JoS of the original clergy.

So how am I not a deep Satanist. Despite the fact I was not meditating for years of my life I did spend years upon years upon years thinking and researching about Satanism and Nazism and WW2 throughout my years since the dedication. In fact the dedication simply made me deepen to the truth. Despite the fact I never once had a desire or conscious desire of xtianity in my fantasies.

So again how am I not deep. What is deep? who is deep? are you "HP Cobra" deep? You type up all these sermons and all it states is your deep in whatever subject or subjects you peruse through but I don't see some spectacular occult information that is light-years ahead of people and whatnot. In fact in my opinion you downgrade the occult into such digestible manner that it loses that bon fle'vure or whatever french word exist that states it lost it's flair.

In fact judging from the situation HP Cobra your so realistic you kinda kill the occult spirit.

I'm not stating what your doing is wrong, malefic, or evil. You just state the occult is nature packaged in an everyday manner.

At the end of the day I don't know why your stating I'm not deep. I think deeply in such subjects everyday, how am I not deep. If it weren't for my Satanism and Nazism what would I be. I'd literally would have spent 16 years doing something else. For example I like video games but video games don't like me, funny growing up as a kid I would do poorly. I remember for years trying to advance through the races of Diddy Kong Racing, hard game, at the end I never completed the game or Banjo Kazooie.

In the end if I never found the JoS I'd probably be a hardcare daily gamer doing 12-15 hour runs throughout my day. In the end I got nothing better to do Nazism and Satanism are just a way of life. There isn't anything better to do or say or whatever.

Who knows if this something from my past life? or hell maybe it's a symptom of dying and spending my time in some limbo with National Socialists, spending years and years just talking as souls. Though I don't want to state any of that as it sounds delusional. But whatever it is I never grew up like other people.

You guys blame me for some things. Okay sure that is how I am, I am lazy, I don't want to live my life or do anything with my life. My life doesn't interests me, the only thing I care about is sex. Just like how I used to think during childhood-teenage years before just even a few years ago upon discovering the old Prophp forums. I would literally just think about WW2, Alternative History scenarios, Sex, Killing people, Creating school shootings; basically columbine the school, and whatever other times I thought perhaps just random stuff.

In reality school just made me realize that life is a COMPLETE and UTTER waste of time and serves no purpose. Your nation, your people, your society, your family defiles and corrupts you. With utter non-sense, I literally realized life is completely purposeless and serves absolutely no value.

You guys are lucky that I'am a reasonable person and can change and did change. Because for me most of the time I would just think about killing and murdering people as well a torturing. I realized most people need to die and be killed in brutal sadistic ways cause they express such worthlessness. Like for example at my clinic I saw a latina woman mid-late 30s early 40s with a child. Maybe hers or something and the only thing that popped into my head is "My god you just need to fuck and get that fucking frustration out of your pathetic piece of shit life". All her problems could have been solved with a nice tumble in bed.

But most people are just brain dead idiots that serve no purpose. Sometimes I would think is a 3 cent bolt action rifle full sized rifle round good enough to waste on someone. I mean it's 3 cents these 3 cents are more valuable than this person.

So guys remember my past this is the kind of person I was.

If you want I can post my astrological information or if you guys have a email and wish for me to drop it off. I'd do it to be honest if something happens to me well that just shows how pathetic and worthless life is.

What can I say guys not everyone is a nice person. I might seem nice on the outside and liked by people but considering myself I think evil inside.

Your not alone in this situation. There are many people in groups and related who literally think they've ascended to the seventh dimension. They keep fantasizing about theories, about stories and keep reading and reading and reading and thinking and thinking and thinking. They believe that their knowledge is power. Granted but knowledge can also be delusional. Knowledge based on fantasizing but not real life experience can be fake and make you delusionally think a lot of things. You do not become deep by thinking. You become deep by "doing". There is no greatness is thinking delusional things. There is greatness is performing. Power is not will,it is the act of physically making things happen.

HP HC paints the occult in the picture that is in essence, reality. Nature,the Brahman the energy that flows through everything is what gives rise to occult phenomenon, and any other phenomenon. Its not something imaginary, it's something natural and people feel this. Bioelectricity flows through every living creature. Energy is constantly shaping our world and matter is compressed energy. Every single thing we believe is scientifically provable,documented by multiple organizations and the scientists researching it. Real meditators believe in the reality of meditation. HPMageson earlier stated that to achieve the lower Tibetian rainbow body transformation Buddhists meditate for 60 years (and that is the only thing they do). Its another thing to consider that they do not masturbate and use their sexual energy or not use partners. If we use sexual tantra we may be able to accelerate the process a lot quicker and will guidance with the daemons. Meditation takes consistent effort,strategic planning and sweat,blood and toil. How many people do you think in this world are witches and are getting results (leaving the Jews out) due to their own powers. Not many. How many people do you think on this forum are getting consistent results and you see them posting valuable advice, even though the membership is in thousands ? Not many.

Just because someone has been dabbling in satanism for a long time does not make them an adept, an authority or a learned person in this field. A man becomes an adept by personal experience and actually getting results and improving. These high priests are ones who have had consistent results and you know the ones who have been consistently posting sermons with pure value, leaving out HP Maxine who is dealing with more serious matters for our organization. HC can predict and understand astral and occult phenomenon like other people can't. He knows things other people don't(and cant) because he's experienced these firsthand.

All this boils down to is the fact that you are not meditating the correct way (something you can change.) And your also not living optimally, something you can also change. Nothing is going to help if you keep blaming others. And there is no substitute for hard work. Until you do it, it won't happen. If you do not do it,it won't Happen. If you won't change after realizing all this and you accept inferiority, then nothing I say or anyone else says will help you. (And it is all your responsibility.) So again, it's all dependent on you and only you and there is no one else to blame.

And I've exhausted myself so I'll refrain giving you any advice further since I've already given you everything I know to be true according to my experience.

[The Alchemist7]

That's what depression is - low Bioelecticity.

Yea he would be able to deal with it by doing power meditations. In time his bioelectricity will increase and he would be better. Actually is not even big deal to do it. A Raum meditation and a session of full power Kundalini Yoga with 108 breaths where required takes around one hour. In one-two mounths this can seriously improve a person who was for years and years in deep depression.

[Aquarius]

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Dude you are a robot. I start to believe that the only thing that can be done to help you get out of your robotic depressed state is if we would all work together to donate you energy. In the same way like people are donating money to help a poor person with a horrible disease, you suffer from a "spiritual" disease and your soul needs shitlots of energy to heal itself.

That's bullshit dude lol let people help themselves.

[The Alchemist7]

That's bullshit dude lol let people help themselves.

Yea nobody will do it aniway, he can help himself but he's just lazy.

[HP. Hoodedcobra666]

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In fact judging from the situation HP Cobra your so realistic you kinda kill the occult spirit.

I'm not stating what your doing is wrong, malefic, or evil. You just state the occult is nature packaged in an everyday manner.
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Yes, I took the gun and killed Tinker Bell, drugs, bullshit stuff that gave people lunacy and no results, and I replaced it with uhm...What ancient people have done for thousands of years successfully.

Instead of imagining you have a car, it is better you actually have it and ride it around.

People who snort meth and tell you fairytales are not dependable magicians or powerful individuals, they are just useless dogshit, and not spiritual people.

Those at the top such as Rabbinical authorities know way better than to promote lunacy and bullshit, and they do not let one become a top rabbi if as much as they smoke weed, or they are deluded to the slightest extent.

These people run the world, while your pseudo-spiritual idols just pretend they speak with mermaids to tell them how amazing they are.

Externalizing your own spiritual limitations to me or my approach, isn't going to help either. Spirituality and magick is vibration, use of the astral invisible light, and all sorts of other things that come from "nature", indeed, all natural, and all around us. This is why this is called Metaphysics today. The use of the feminine side of the mind extends beyond logic, but not beyond 'nature'.

Natural does not imply limited, or grossly material, but I am not going to sit there like your psychologist to write endless spiels about it. You project your own limitations for accusations on me, but you have to work on your limitations.

If you put as much effort to calm your over-reactive mind and meditate as much as you put effort to make endless logical loopholes to dig yourself into, you would be better off.

As for comparing times that is irrelevant as each soul has it's own work done, effort, and destiny. I may have bought a car when Michael Schumacher got his first car but I will not be Schumacher because of this.

When our people ruled and did run this world, it didn't happen because of taking drugs, and dressing into a bat, and pretending one has occult knowledge, but by actually having it.

This is the same as the bonobo tribes who first saw an airplane. In their mind, it was mystical technology of the "Blond guys". To the "Blond guys", this technology was a verified miracle of technology, and not some imaginary flying carpet, borne out of an elevated and genius mind.

To the bonobo, it was just Flying Tingy Dat Gives Stuff To Us. Regressing into this dumb thing does not make you an occultist, it makes you blind.

[HP. Hoodedcobra666]

That's bullshit dude lol let people help themselves.

Yea nobody will do it aniway, he can help himself but he's just lazy.

Time spent interpolating on one's own thoughts - 5 hours per day.

Time spent shutting up the mind and trying to reach the feminine mind to effectively meditate - 0 seconds

Hours wasted on complaints based on still interpolating one's own thoughts - 5 hours per day.

Tears spent in trying to constantly logically loop yourself to understand yourself reaching ultimately nowhere cause of your own fault - 5 hours a day.

Gotta complain, it's Cobra's fault, it's the world's fault.

[HP. Hoodedcobra666]

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Dude you are a robot. I start to believe that the only thing that can be done to help you get out of your robotic depressed state is if we would all work together to donate you energy. In the same way like people are donating money to help a poor person with a horrible disease, you suffer from a "spiritual" disease and your soul needs shitlots of energy to heal itself.

That's what depression is - low Bioelecticity.

No, depression is a state of mind where the mind is on a loop in self downing itself, due to negative programming, and many other factors, only one of which is bio electricity.

Many people are total energetic vampires energetically and they are still more depressed regardless of how many innocents they siphon out of their energy. The depression is used as a weapon for these vampires to evoke mercy, which they later use to consume attention from others.

People need to take responsibility for their own mental turmoil, lack of control, or fucked up mind, and go down there the sinking ship engine and fix it.

Those who want to truly help themselves, will do this regardless, while there are a lot of people who pretend to be "Depressed" just to drag down strong and happy people into their wallowing misery and increase the size of their own club, effectively ruining other people in the process, because of their own lack of control of their own mind and destructive energies.

Attics they left uncleaned they put other people in, to pretend that they are to 'fix them together', and giving people are suckered into this and made their slaves, where they eventually murder their soul in the attic, because they are so adjusted living by the worms, that they enjoy it.

Not all depressed people are alike, and those who do have a will to escape, will do this, even at the least amount of information or knowledge available.

There are people who live perfectly fine lives but their brain is so ignored and messed up that they literally fuck themselves up for no reason, just being lazy. Middle higher or middle upper class people who have it all, but they are too fucking bored to spend some time to tinker their brain. This is attention whoring and a disobedient mind, except of a few viable causes of depression.

There are people who just get depressed because of a habit, that's it. A habit that needs breaking. After this is done for like decades, this even reforms certain portions of the brain.

And there are people who wallow in the existential bottom, having nothing, and always smiling and having positive energy about them, and energy, and vigor. They find meaning in everything while others find just eternal nihilism, which they blame on others, and later this bleeds over to society.

People have responsibility about their brain there is no running from that. You either conquer it or it will just fuck you up in many cases. In the end one is individually always the sufferer.

[HP. Hoodedcobra666]

That's bullshit dude lol let people help themselves.

Yea nobody will do it aniway, he can help himself but he's just lazy.

Yeah and as always, it's other peoples fault. Cause I'm too lazy for it to be mine as this implies I'd need to fix it, so I'd rather blame others for it, for ez solutions.

[FancyMancy]

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As I say, knowledge + action = power. You might clarify that further by saying knowledge + relevant action = related power.

That's what depression is - low Bioelecticity.

Yea he would be able to deal with it by doing power meditations. In time his bioelectricity will increase and he would be better. Actually is not even big deal to do it. A Raum meditation and a session of full power Kundalini Yoga with 108 breaths where required takes around one hour. In one-two mounths this can seriously improve a person who was for years and years in deep depression.

I know some would argue that that is easier said than done. The motivation behind it also lacks.

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Well, I was partly right. Thanks for the clarification.

[SdD]

reading, I understand why HPHC blocked gear88t; good times, saudades…

[Gear88]

reading, I understand why HPHC blocked gear88t; good times, saudades…

Blocked by not posting sure. But not banned I didn't do anything wrong. In fact judging from the situation it's the opposite. I went and again for the second or third time pist people off like usual. Guess that's is who I am I pist people off.

And Btw what I said is actually quite tame. I can't translate 100% what my mind states to me. So if I were to provide you with my inner world. I'm not sure if you would find it interesting or just so disturbing you'd tell me. How did you even live this far in life.

And yes if you guys are wondering I'm gonna stop posting anymore information on myself and stay clear of these threads.

I, Gear88, promise not to post in any more situations and remind myself that everything I say causes anger in other people.

Can we close this thread or just dump the thread and let it blow over.

I pist people off again can we drop it.

[hailourtruegod]

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In fact judging from the situation HP Cobra your so realistic you kinda kill the occult spirit.

I'm not stating what your doing is wrong, malefic, or evil. You just state the occult is nature packaged in an everyday manner.
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Saying your realistic points kills the occult spirit is nonsense! In my opinion it makes it way better. This is why I always enjoy your posts when it comes to spirituality, be your own threads or a reply to someone else. The explanations in a tone that's "down to earth" is very appealing. It would be very hard to read thru a whole bunch of weird hippie style explanations. That never stood out to me even before coming to the JoS. Actually it rubbed the wrong way for example seeing people talk about a plant and saying how happy it is and sending out positive energy and love to him/her. The same goes for the weirdos who put on vampire teeth and wear all white contacts.

When talking to people about *true* spirituality/occult I even tend to make sure to separate it from the new age weirdos and their lovey hippie crap and as well the the reverse xian wearing all black "Satanist" stuff.

Just felt like giving my opinion about that part since I really disagreed with what gear88 said there.

Keep up the great work b

[Jack]

reading, I understand why HPHC blocked gear88t; good times, saudades…

How do you know he blocked him ?

[HP. Hoodedcobra666]

reading, I understand why HPHC blocked gear88t; good times, saudades…

Blocked by not posting sure. But not banned I didn't do anything wrong. In fact judging from the situation it's the opposite. I went and again for the second or third time pist people off like usual. Guess that's is who I am I pist people off.

And Btw what I said is actually quite tame. I can't translate 100% what my mind states to me. So if I were to provide you with my inner world. I'm not sure if you would find it interesting or just so disturbing you'd tell me. How did you even live this far in life.

And yes if you guys are wondering I'm gonna stop posting anymore information on myself and stay clear of these threads.

I, Gear88, promise not to post in any more situations and remind myself that everything I say causes anger in other people.

Can we close this thread or just dump the thread and let it blow over.

I pist people off again can we drop it.

So you admit to basically have zero spiritual understanding, but on the other hand you cast a 'criticism' into someone else's work. This to me is tabloid CNN bullshit, and I don't read CNN.

The requirements for doing criticism is to have at least some form of understanding of a subject.

You are a time waster, endlessly into your "own" thoughts, wasting people's time with it. Writing like a dumb dick and getting hate for it isn't helping out your situation either. Every question is yet again replied with another long endless spiel of nonsense, coupled with more "my past" and "my stuff" as per usual.

Tinkerbell and all the bullshit related to this mindset, thinking you are a mermaid, and doing copious amounts of psycho medication, is not spirituality. I am sorry, but it is not. It has nothing to do with this.

People who own a tank drive it around. Imagining yourself into a tank during war and going out is just flat retarded. The time of retardation has ended, this is my will and Satan's will for his people. His people have been plagued by ignorance for a very extended period of time. This leads nobody nowhere but in more darkness and bullshit.

You yourself have grown more in the last years here than from 2004 to 2014 combined. So have some decency in understanding this.

You think it's cool dressing as a bat and carrying over useless competitions while you are at it, I don't. I think it's terribly sad for a people like Satan's own.

[Gear88]

You yourself have grown more in the last years here than from 2003* to 2014 combined. So have some decency in understanding this.

Ok.

Just as a final statement. A lot of times this stuff brings more question than answers. I've viewed the last years of learning this stuff as a mental curiosity. It's never served me any purpose but to amuse me on the truth of the matter. Perhaps learning about it as providing an alternative understanding to view in case of debates with people.

So you admit to basically have zero spiritual understanding

Ok.

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. I have no idea. Absolutely no idea as to whether I have spiritual understanding or not.

I guess like someone told me one time. Remembering stuff is not a sign of intelligence, you just remember well. Well the only thing I do is remember to the best of my ability. In fact not to brag but I've noticed rarely are there other users that post information long forgotten.

ex: Samyaza Lovett going "Oh someone remembered my War on Cash"

...and what exactly is having "spiritual understanding"?

Are you implying a pious, bible-reading person has more spiritual understanding for delving into the bible despite being an agenda against them.

Okay I admit I have zero spiritual understanding. What ever that is supposed to mean in regards to me.

I guess by telling you I remember well and think deeply about a subject or research it. That I am just paraphrasing examples and experiences of others.

Okay I have zero spiritual understanding...what's the problem? not like I state anything illogical or attacking to some member. Much like you reading outlandish tales and whatnot. I've done the same and replied the same.

Ex: I posted that perhaps succubi/incubi are regular Empire of Orion citizens. And people went ape-shit, even Argedco Luciftan was like guys WTF he isn't saying anything crazy.

I thought the entire point of the Joy of Satan is to not be crazy, not go crazy, and not state crazy.

In other words however crazy others view us and however crazy we view others. In the end non of what we say is crazy to the point of dismissal. If anything it's so tame it begs the question why others call us crazy.

[HauptSturm]

If FancyMancy can't be banned for his long posts, can he be banned for being British?

I admire your National Socialism! However, I'm just a Whitey-honky, man (or woman).

Happy 4th of July! Did you set off fireworks for us? I sure did.....

[FancyMancy]

If FancyMancy can't be banned for his long posts, can he be banned for being British?

I admire your National Socialism! However, I'm just a Whitey-honky, man (or woman).

Happy 4th of July! Did you set off fireworks for us? I sure did.....

Erm... In my...erm...heart...yeah... Lol.

Why doth le Americans not say "July 4"? Bcs they (well, jewmerica) must get more braining from the world which formats the date properly - 4th of July. In everything else, jewmerica must say "July 12", which means "July 2012". In adverts where they say, "In cinemas "April 29", for example, that does not mean "the 29th of April", it means "April 2029". If this was the year 1900 and we said "Hitler was born in 89", that means "Hitler was born in 1889", so "In cinemas April 29" means they are advertising for something 10 years in advance... "4th of July" instead of "July 2004"? Come on!

Oops. Sorry. I mistyped. Did you have a good shindig?

[beareroflightandtrth83]

You should as Savitar suggested some time ago in another forum Vibrate Aum Apanaya Svaha everyday and that would be the most important meditation you do.

Again not to sound disrespectful but you aren't exactly giving me proper instructions.

Are you stating one single vibration of whatever this mantra does, which would be nice to know what it does. Aum I got that gold in the works kinda like a Hail, Apanaya no idea what that does, and Svaha would be the spiritualized form of Nama in producing a subtle spiritual effect rather than a dense nama vibration.

So judging from this your asking me to do a spiritual vibration to affect the spiritual centers. But have no idea what Apanaya does.

I say single cause are you implying this mantra is like the Pluto mantra that was posted a while back and stated affirmations to give you the drive to meditate and focus on it whereby the people who posted stated even a single vibration is enough.

It's kinda like ISA and void control. Only a few reps and an affirmation and that is it for a short period of time and then stop it.

(P.S. Apparently Apnaya is Apana = general use, long term, not sure what the extra [ya] does but I guess it must be an extender perhaps a full power mantric formula)

Anyways I hope it's okay to ask for further instructions such as affirmation and rep range and whatnot. Not to sound ignorant but I'm not sure what that mantra does exactly.

I asked Savitar first ,

Hey man ,does the vata dosha also have symptoms like constant barrage of thoughts all day, no concentration, constant daydreaming, thinking about something else while doing something etc and can the mantra Aum Kshaum Upanaya svaha help with this ? What affirmation should I use to fix my particular issue ?

to which he says,

Precisely.
Vata is very light, thus movable, dry and cold, Air and Aether based. The state of Mind reflects the state of energies. If the energies are balanced, centered, grounded and strong, the thougths will also be clear, forceful, the mind tranquil, calm but creative and constructive.

Udana can help when you’re in the need of clear and forceful mental expression, want to become sharp and put an end to the day dreaming, however do not overdo it: Udana’s direction is upward flowing, therefore it can unground you in excess. To sum it up, It helps with the energy output, but Vatas need energy Input and energy balancing/grounding more, than anything.

The most important pranic current for Vata types is Apana, which is the downward flowing force, that serves as a foundation/base for all the other currents. It also keeps the energetic system clear(and your thougths), since It’s main function is elimination.

The mantra to be used for Apana: AUM KSAUM APANAYA SVAHAH

As a long term strategy to deal with your Vata challanges is to put a bigger focus on balancing and grounding instead of simple energy raising. The goal is to increase the capacity to hold on to higher levels of energy, learn to control it, preserve it, and integrate it into your being, instead of using it all up in a very short period.

to which i say,

So are you saying instead of using the upanaya svaha mantra ,I should use the apanaya svaha mantra ?

to which he says

Aum udanaya svahah for us is more of a technical, particular use, a specific purpose (such as getting your mind sharp quickly or fighting off a cold, etc) while Apana is a fundamental and basic need.

The planetary squares can be used as an analogy: In general, the Sun Square is the best option. The best option for general empowerment, and such. For specific purposes (Love -Venus, Spirituality -Jupiter, Studying -Mercury) the other planets can/should be used.
Udana = specific goals, short term
Apana = general use, long term

And at the end of the topic, he posted

There are correspondences between the chakras and doshas on several levels are indicated by the ruling elements and organs.

Kapha is ruled by Water, and the carrying element is Earth, therefore the Root and Sacral, Earth and Water element chakras correspond to kapha.

Pitta is Fire element and carrying element is Water - Ruled by the Solar Chakra and Sacral to a certain extent.

Vata is of the Element of Air while the carrying element is Ether - Heart and Throat Chakras.

The Three upper Chakras:
Throat, Ajna and Crown rule over the highest form of each dosha:

-The Throat rules Udana, the upward flowing life force of expression, clear thinking, memory, nervous strength, will and self control.

-The 6th rules Sadhaka Pitta, the power of insight and the abillity to see Truth, or see through lies. It rules over intellect and mental power. Sucessful people have highly developed Sadhaka Pitta, which is why they have clear goals in their head and an action oriented mind.

-Tarpaka Kapha, ruled by the Crown is the form of Water that grants you the feeling of happiness and content, feeling good in your body. It’s the grosser form of Amrita.

The practice of Yoga and meditation increases these high forms of doshas in general. Ajurvedic text mention that the three highest forms all relate to the heart, but I believe this is not the Heart Chakra, but the Ajna, the point where the nadis meet and form the heart shape. It makes sense as the control center.

The Foundation of doshas and their location

Each dosha has a form, that serves as a foundation and support, controling all the other forms. Problems relating to a given dosha most likely originate from the disturbance of this foundation and can be healed by reastablishing balance.

-The Foundation of Vata is Apana, the downward/ouwtward flowing force of elimination. Primary location is the anus and colon. The latter is the point of accumulation of Vata, and the main organ relating to it. Both are ruled by the Root Chakra

-Foundation of Pitta is called Pachaka the fire of elimination. Location is the small intenstine which is the point of accumulation and the main organ of Pitta, ruled by the Solar Chakra.

-Foundation of Kapha is Avalambaka supporting Water that resides in the Heart and Lungs. Plasm is distributed from the Heart. However the main point of accumulation is not here, but in the stomach ruled by the Solar Chakra.

How to heal doshic problems

The main point of Ayurvedic healing is that you have to go back to source of the problem, do the healing work there which will lead to deep healing and long lasting health. The other important point is to avoid diseases by eliminating their sources before manifesting. If a problem is left unhandeled it will manifest and become more and more complex. First it accumulates in the main organ, then it overflows into different organs and becomes mixed with other doshas and even ama. This state is much harder to handle, since the cure has to be complex.
How would you heal a disease that is the product of the mixture of Vata and Pitta?
If you try to simply cool down pitta, the cold can aggrevate Vata. If you try to lubricate vata, it will give more room for Pitta to expand, as water is the carrying element.

Thinking in terms of qualities will help to find the actual source.
-Vata: Dry, Cold and Light/Mutable
-Pitta: Hot, Liquid and Mutable
-Kapha: Heavy, Cold and Sluggish/Liquid

Think about the quality you lack or a quality that is too strong/out of balance. -Am I feeling dry, cold and ungrounded? Or Do I feel irritable and burnt out? Am I lazy? Do I feel like I’m too heavy to move?

This way of thinking will help to pinpoint the origin of the problem.

If you feel your brain is frying and feel agression, unable to let go, that is certainly a pitta problem. A spiritual remedy could be to work on releasing the accumulated fire from the Solar Chakra with Asanas such as Cobra pose, with deep, relaxing breathing. Breathing exercises like Sithali and Sitkari are great. Driking some Green tea with Mint will aid in cooling down and relaxing, before or afterward.

Am I feeling anxious, clumsy and cold? -Definetly a Vata problem.
Doing slow series of Sun Salutations will help with grounded, developing heat which will remove blocks and reduce anxiety as well. Drinking a tea of fresh ginger is a great choice to aid in the process.

Are you feeling so lazy and heavy I don’t want to move at all? - Kapha
Starting with some intense Breath of Fire takes care of the problem. It creates heat, which removes the coldness of Kapha. It gets the energy going and this dynamism will take care of heaviness. The pranic heat helps in drying out your comfortable ass. Some intense Yoga and exercise can follow. Note that we are working on the Solar Chakra (ruling the stomach) and the lungs and heart are also involved, all relating to kapha.


Dealing with Ama
Ama has the same qualities as kapha: Heavy, slugghish, dark, damp and cold.
It can be removed by drying it first, then bruning it out. With the elements of air and fire. Prana and heat energy. Ama is the byproduct of weak digestion, no elimination and the imbalance of doshas.
Working on digestion and elimination helps the most along with other forms of purificarion such as sweating.
Solar and Root Chakras are important here.
The best and most simple outer remedy is trikatu: combine one tea spoon of grinded black pepper, ginger and cayanne with a large spoon of honey and eat it. You will feel the ama being burnt out in your whole body.

So basically you should do any number of vibrations 55,100,216 whatever you can handle and affirm is fixing your erratic thoughts i.e
"In a healthy and positive manner im calm,concentrated and focused at all times." Or whatever you want accordingly ,i don't use long sentences in my affirmations. I keep it sharp and to the point.You could also affirm,
"In a healthy and positive manner,i have complete control over my thoughts and actions"

I have a question.
I finished mars square but I ended getting sharp pains, sinusitis, blood pressure and earache. And the affirmation was to open and empower my sacral chakra. What does that mean if I am getting those symptoms after doing mars square? Block or some other issue in sacral?

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You should as Savitar suggested some time ago in another forum Vibrate Aum Apanaya Svaha everyday and that would be the most important meditation you do.

Again not to sound disrespectful but you aren't exactly giving me proper instructions.

Are you stating one single vibration of whatever this mantra does, which would be nice to know what it does. Aum I got that gold in the works kinda like a Hail, Apanaya no idea what that does, and Svaha would be the spiritualized form of Nama in producing a subtle spiritual effect rather than a dense nama vibration.

So judging from this your asking me to do a spiritual vibration to affect the spiritual centers. But have no idea what Apanaya does.

I say single cause are you implying this mantra is like the Pluto mantra that was posted a while back and stated affirmations to give you the drive to meditate and focus on it whereby the people who posted stated even a single vibration is enough.

It's kinda like ISA and void control. Only a few reps and an affirmation and that is it for a short period of time and then stop it.

(P.S. Apparently Apnaya is Apana = general use, long term, not sure what the extra [ya] does but I guess it must be an extender perhaps a full power mantric formula)

Anyways I hope it's okay to ask for further instructions such as affirmation and rep range and whatnot. Not to sound ignorant but I'm not sure what that mantra does exactly.

I asked Savitar first ,

Hey man ,does the vata dosha also have symptoms like constant barrage of thoughts all day, no concentration, constant daydreaming, thinking about something else while doing something etc and can the mantra Aum Kshaum Upanaya svaha help with this ? What affirmation should I use to fix my particular issue ?

to which he says,

Precisely.
Vata is very light, thus movable, dry and cold, Air and Aether based. The state of Mind reflects the state of energies. If the energies are balanced, centered, grounded and strong, the thougths will also be clear, forceful, the mind tranquil, calm but creative and constructive.

Udana can help when you’re in the need of clear and forceful mental expression, want to become sharp and put an end to the day dreaming, however do not overdo it: Udana’s direction is upward flowing, therefore it can unground you in excess. To sum it up, It helps with the energy output, but Vatas need energy Input and energy balancing/grounding more, than anything.

The most important pranic current for Vata types is Apana, which is the downward flowing force, that serves as a foundation/base for all the other currents. It also keeps the energetic system clear(and your thougths), since It’s main function is elimination.

The mantra to be used for Apana: AUM KSAUM APANAYA SVAHAH

As a long term strategy to deal with your Vata challanges is to put a bigger focus on balancing and grounding instead of simple energy raising. The goal is to increase the capacity to hold on to higher levels of energy, learn to control it, preserve it, and integrate it into your being, instead of using it all up in a very short period.

to which i say,

So are you saying instead of using the upanaya svaha mantra ,I should use the apanaya svaha mantra ?

to which he says

Aum udanaya svahah for us is more of a technical, particular use, a specific purpose (such as getting your mind sharp quickly or fighting off a cold, etc) while Apana is a fundamental and basic need.

The planetary squares can be used as an analogy: In general, the Sun Square is the best option. The best option for general empowerment, and such. For specific purposes (Love -Venus, Spirituality -Jupiter, Studying -Mercury) the other planets can/should be used.
Udana = specific goals, short term
Apana = general use, long term

And at the end of the topic, he posted

There are correspondences between the chakras and doshas on several levels are indicated by the ruling elements and organs.

Kapha is ruled by Water, and the carrying element is Earth, therefore the Root and Sacral, Earth and Water element chakras correspond to kapha.

Pitta is Fire element and carrying element is Water - Ruled by the Solar Chakra and Sacral to a certain extent.

Vata is of the Element of Air while the carrying element is Ether - Heart and Throat Chakras.

The Three upper Chakras:
Throat, Ajna and Crown rule over the highest form of each dosha:

-The Throat rules Udana, the upward flowing life force of expression, clear thinking, memory, nervous strength, will and self control.

-The 6th rules Sadhaka Pitta, the power of insight and the abillity to see Truth, or see through lies. It rules over intellect and mental power. Sucessful people have highly developed Sadhaka Pitta, which is why they have clear goals in their head and an action oriented mind.

-Tarpaka Kapha, ruled by the Crown is the form of Water that grants you the feeling of happiness and content, feeling good in your body. It’s the grosser form of Amrita.

The practice of Yoga and meditation increases these high forms of doshas in general. Ajurvedic text mention that the three highest forms all relate to the heart, but I believe this is not the Heart Chakra, but the Ajna, the point where the nadis meet and form the heart shape. It makes sense as the control center.

The Foundation of doshas and their location

Each dosha has a form, that serves as a foundation and support, controling all the other forms. Problems relating to a given dosha most likely originate from the disturbance of this foundation and can be healed by reastablishing balance.

-The Foundation of Vata is Apana, the downward/ouwtward flowing force of elimination. Primary location is the anus and colon. The latter is the point of accumulation of Vata, and the main organ relating to it. Both are ruled by the Root Chakra

-Foundation of Pitta is called Pachaka the fire of elimination. Location is the small intenstine which is the point of accumulation and the main organ of Pitta, ruled by the Solar Chakra.

-Foundation of Kapha is Avalambaka supporting Water that resides in the Heart and Lungs. Plasm is distributed from the Heart. However the main point of accumulation is not here, but in the stomach ruled by the Solar Chakra.

How to heal doshic problems

The main point of Ayurvedic healing is that you have to go back to source of the problem, do the healing work there which will lead to deep healing and long lasting health. The other important point is to avoid diseases by eliminating their sources before manifesting. If a problem is left unhandeled it will manifest and become more and more complex. First it accumulates in the main organ, then it overflows into different organs and becomes mixed with other doshas and even ama. This state is much harder to handle, since the cure has to be complex.
How would you heal a disease that is the product of the mixture of Vata and Pitta?
If you try to simply cool down pitta, the cold can aggrevate Vata. If you try to lubricate vata, it will give more room for Pitta to expand, as water is the carrying element.

Thinking in terms of qualities will help to find the actual source.
-Vata: Dry, Cold and Light/Mutable
-Pitta: Hot, Liquid and Mutable
-Kapha: Heavy, Cold and Sluggish/Liquid

Think about the quality you lack or a quality that is too strong/out of balance. -Am I feeling dry, cold and ungrounded? Or Do I feel irritable and burnt out? Am I lazy? Do I feel like I’m too heavy to move?

This way of thinking will help to pinpoint the origin of the problem.

If you feel your brain is frying and feel agression, unable to let go, that is certainly a pitta problem. A spiritual remedy could be to work on releasing the accumulated fire from the Solar Chakra with Asanas such as Cobra pose, with deep, relaxing breathing. Breathing exercises like Sithali and Sitkari are great. Driking some Green tea with Mint will aid in cooling down and relaxing, before or afterward.

Am I feeling anxious, clumsy and cold? -Definetly a Vata problem.
Doing slow series of Sun Salutations will help with grounded, developing heat which will remove blocks and reduce anxiety as well. Drinking a tea of fresh ginger is a great choice to aid in the process.

Are you feeling so lazy and heavy I don’t want to move at all? - Kapha
Starting with some intense Breath of Fire takes care of the problem. It creates heat, which removes the coldness of Kapha. It gets the energy going and this dynamism will take care of heaviness. The pranic heat helps in drying out your comfortable ass. Some intense Yoga and exercise can follow. Note that we are working on the Solar Chakra (ruling the stomach) and the lungs and heart are also involved, all relating to kapha.


Dealing with Ama
Ama has the same qualities as kapha: Heavy, slugghish, dark, damp and cold.
It can be removed by drying it first, then bruning it out. With the elements of air and fire. Prana and heat energy. Ama is the byproduct of weak digestion, no elimination and the imbalance of doshas.
Working on digestion and elimination helps the most along with other forms of purificarion such as sweating.
Solar and Root Chakras are important here.
The best and most simple outer remedy is trikatu: combine one tea spoon of grinded black pepper, ginger and cayanne with a large spoon of honey and eat it. You will feel the ama being burnt out in your whole body.

So basically you should do any number of vibrations 55,100,216 whatever you can handle and affirm is fixing your erratic thoughts i.e
"In a healthy and positive manner im calm,concentrated and focused at all times." Or whatever you want accordingly ,i don't use long sentences in my affirmations. I keep it sharp and to the point.You could also affirm,
"In a healthy and positive manner,i have complete control over my thoughts and actions"

I have a question.
I finished mars square but I ended getting sharp pains, sinusitis, blood pressure and earache. And the affirmation was to open and empower my sacral chakra. What does that mean if I am getting those symptoms after doing mars square? Block or some other issue in sacral?