Tor 8.0 Update

[Soaring Eagle 666]

Yesterday Tor Browser was updated to version 8.0. Among other changes, they updated the base version of Firefox to Quantum. The whole look and feel is now unfamiliar, and the NoScript add-on has new bugs. (For example, I can't get it to save settings.)

I'm sure there are other Satanists who also depend on Tor to access Joy of Satan without it leaving traces on their ISP's history, so I wrote a short guide to install the last version of "old" Tor.

1 - Download Tor 7.5.6 from their distribution page.
https://dist.torproject.org/torbrowser/7.5.6/
This is the English Windows Installer:
https://dist.torproject.org/torbrowser/ ... _en-US.exe

2 - Disconnect your computer from the Internet.

3 - Run the installer and choose a different name for the destination folder. (Like "Tor Browser 756")

4 - Change the Start Menu shortcut target to point to "firefox.exe" in the new "Tor Browser 756" folder.

5 - Reconnect the Internet and start Tor Browser.

6 - Open the "three lines" menu in the top-right corner, then under Options->Advanced->Update select "Never check for updates".

I hope this is helpful.

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Tor doesn't work. There's still ways to track everything, all it does is give the illusion that it's safe without actually doing much. I think Tor would be even more of a risk because they can see that you're using Tor and would say "Why are you trying so much to hide, what are you doing wrong here?"

[T.A.O.L.]

The browser became less accessible and I couldnt find my entire list of bookmarks that I had.. Recent history goes only so far..

Seriously ehats wrong with the old set up? Why does everything need to have these unclear fancy buttons all the time?

[FancyMancy]

Tor doesn't work. There's still ways to track everything, all it does is give the illusion that it's safe without actually doing much. I think Tor would be even more of a risk because they can see that you're using Tor and would say "Why are you trying so much to hide, what are you doing wrong here?"

Exactly. It's watched and surveilled so much, it's pointless using it - and you cannot guarantee that you will either connect to a safe entry node and/or leave a safe exit node; and if the NSA or whatever has both entry and exit node, of which there are many, and you connect to one of each of them, then they can and will correlate your traffic - and because you connected to one of their entry nodes, they have your IP address.

You could use a VPN which doesn't keep logs, allegedly, but then you still need to give them your card details or Bitcoin wallet address... There could still be a trail back to you.

In one sense, the best type of anonymity is not standing out...but that lacks encryption/security, which would make you stand out.

[Soaring Eagle 666]

Tor doesn't work. There's still ways to track everything, all it does is give the illusion that it's safe without actually doing much. I think Tor would be even more of a risk because they can see that you're using Tor and would say "Why are you trying so much to hide, what are you doing wrong here?"

Not necessarily. For example, I use Tor to prevent my ISP from logging the sites I visit. If my parents ever request the logs, then they won't discover that I'm a Satanist. Multiple sources have verified that Tor does indeed hide website URLs. The ISP only knows that someone is using Tor.

Tor provides end-to-end encryption and anonymity. The operating system is the only component that has access to the both the user's identity and the sites they visit. (So don't use Windows 10.) Any other leak of information is an exploit, most of which can be prevented by using NoScript in Tor Browser. Unless the NSA feels like spending time and money to crack your session's encryption key, then Tor should be secure. Considering that they can't discover who's up to something and who's watching porn until after they break the key, they would have to break tens of thousands of keys just to expose a few Satanists. Of course, in cybersecurity there are no guarantees, but Tor is a very effective security measure.

[Soaring Eagle 666]

Tor doesn't work. There's still ways to track everything, all it does is give the illusion that it's safe without actually doing much. I think Tor would be even more of a risk because they can see that you're using Tor and would say "Why are you trying so much to hide, what are you doing wrong here?"

Exactly. It's watched and surveilled so much, it's pointless using it - and you cannot guarantee that you will either connect to a safe entry node and/or leave a safe exit node; and if the NSA or whatever has both entry and exit node, of which there are many, and you connect to one of each of them, then they can and will correlate your traffic - and because you connected to one of their entry nodes, they have your IP address.

You could use a VPN which doesn't keep logs, allegedly, but then you still need to give them your card details or Bitcoin wallet address... There could still be a trail back to you.

In one sense, the best type of anonymity is not standing out...but that lacks encryption/security, which would make you stand out.

Thanks! I wasn't aware of that attack. I researched it, and the highest estimate of NSA-compromised nodes is 50%, which theoretically results in a 25% chance of being identified when using Tor. However, we know that normal network traffic is also heavily monitored, so Tor is still better than nothing. Using normal browsers in the hope of "not standing out" simply isn't effective against an automated tracking system. It is easily possible for the ISP, NSA, or anybody else in between the host and server to scan all traffic for "joyofsatan.org" and log every single IP address.

Tor, at the very least, makes a person more difficult to track. For near-ultimate anonymity, I would wear a mask and use Tor on a laptop running Tails with a spoofed MAC address over a coffee shop's WiFi.

[Dypet Rod]

Tor doesn't work. There's still ways to track everything, all it does is give the illusion that it's safe without actually doing much. I think Tor would be even more of a risk because they can see that you're using Tor and would say "Why are you trying so much to hide, what are you doing wrong here?"

Exactly. It's watched and surveilled so much, it's pointless using it - and you cannot guarantee that you will either connect to a safe entry node and/or leave a safe exit node; and if the NSA or whatever has both entry and exit node, of which there are many, and you connect to one of each of them, then they can and will correlate your traffic - and because you connected to one of their entry nodes, they have your IP address.

You could use a VPN which doesn't keep logs, allegedly, but then you still need to give them your card details or Bitcoin wallet address... There could still be a trail back to you.

In one sense, the best type of anonymity is not standing out...but that lacks encryption/security, which would make you stand out.

I use a free VPN called Windscribe. It's good enough for me.

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Not necessarily. For example, I use Tor to prevent my ISP from logging the sites I visit. If my parents ever request the logs, then they won't discover that I'm a Satanist. Multiple sources have verified that Tor does indeed hide website URLs. The ISP only knows that someone is using Tor.

Are you actually worried that your parents would contact the ISP to get them to start a whole investigation just to see what websites you go on?

There's almost 8 billion people in the world, they can't sort through all the data for all of them. How many people use Tor, it's some small number of people who immediately draw attention of all these agencies. Why are you using it if there's nothing to hide, probable cause right there. Easy to track a small number of highly suspicious looking people, or blend in with the other 8 billion normal people. And Windows 10 isn't the only vulnerability, they've cracked every operating system this way.

I recommend using normal Firefox. StormBlood shared a great link here long ago, I think it was maybe called privacytools.com something like that. It had instructions how to get into the hidden settings inside firefox and turning off the specific features that enable the tracking. There's also a program for windows 10 that does basically the same thing, get into the hidden settings and turn off all the features that they use to track. Blend in with the rest of the 8 billion while still being blocked from most of the trackers. Tor just draws so much more attention, makes it look guilty. People don't use Tor for porn, they use an incognito window. Just looks really guilty for no reason when you really aren't doing anything wrong anyway.

[Soaring Eagle 666]

Not necessarily. For example, I use Tor to prevent my ISP from logging the sites I visit. If my parents ever request the logs, then they won't discover that I'm a Satanist. Multiple sources have verified that Tor does indeed hide website URLs. The ISP only knows that someone is using Tor.

Are you actually worried that your parents would contact the ISP to get them to start a whole investigation just to see what websites you go on?

No, I'm worried that they could contact the ISP and request the history. They could also configure the local router to log history. I know that it's not very likely, but why should I give them yet another way to discover that I'm a Satanist?

There's almost 8 billion people in the world, they can't sort through all the data for all of them.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they can. Using automated systems they can easily scan all traffic and save any information their system is programmed to detect.

How many people use Tor, it's some small number of people who immediately draw attention of all these agencies. Why are you using it if there's nothing to hide, probable cause right there. Easy to track a small number of highly suspicious looking people, or blend in with the other 8 billion normal people.

According to the statistics, about 2 million people use Tor. While that is a very small percentage of the population, it's not a small number of people.
https://metrics.torproject.org/userstat ... untry.html

And Windows 10 isn't the only vulnerability, they've cracked every operating system this way.

That's true, but Windows 10 does track users. Windows 7 might track users. Given a choice, I'll always pick "might" over "will".

I recommend using normal Firefox. StormBlood shared a great link here long ago, I think it was maybe called privacytools.com something like that. It had instructions how to get into the hidden settings inside firefox and turning off the specific features that enable the tracking. There's also a program for windows 10 that does basically the same thing, get into the hidden settings and turn off all the features that they use to track. Blend in with the rest of the 8 billion while still being blocked from most of the trackers. Tor just draws so much more attention, makes it look guilty. People don't use Tor for porn, they use an incognito window. Just looks really guilty for no reason when you really aren't doing anything wrong anyway.

If they were logging Tor users as suspicious, then they must already be monitoring the user's traffic, so why wouldn't they also log users based on the sites they visit? Even if using Tor does draw attention, there are many legitimate uses for it. For example, web development, prevention of targeted ads, IP ban circumvention, etc. Since only the NSA could track users whether or not they use Tor, the ISP or anyone else can only accuse someone of using Tor, which is perfectly legal.

In the end, Tor is just a tool. One that has benefits as well as risks. You can use whatever you want. The purpose of this thread is just to help those who depend on Tor for whatever reason.