Ol argedco luciftias said:
sola said:
hello. HP Maxine published an article stating that veganism is unsustainable. she said humans need vitamin b12. and b12 is only found naturally in meat. then she said that even b12 supplements wont work.
im rather skeptical. why wont proper supplements work to replace meat?
please if someone can shed light on this. i wAnt to listen to HP Maxine because she seems more wise. at the same time, i feel like the supplements i have now cAn actually replace meat for the rest of my life. (the one i have seems great. has all the nutrients that would be in meat (vit a, b-complex, c, d, e, k, iodine, iron, zinc, etc., etc.)
https://satanslibrary.org/English/200%20Years%20of%20Failure%20of%20Veganism.pdf
What is sold in those vitamins are chemicals that are made artificially in a lab. And they are very different from the actual vitamin that exists in nature. They are not the same shape and there are pieces missing. I do not know as much about the specific B vitamins, but a good example is Vitamin C. The vitamins in the store say that ascorbic acid is vitamin C, but really ascorbic acid is only one piece in the middle of the natural vitamin C molecule, and the real one has other pieces on the ends of it. And there is not only pieces of it missing, but naturally foods that contain vitamins also contain other molecules that directly work together with those vitamins which allows your body to absorb them in the most effective way. I do not remember what this is called, but foods like oranges have a giant amount of this. The most effective way to eat a vitamin pill is to take it together with one of the foods that has this vitamin, like taking a vitamin C pill with orange juice. The natural complete vitamin C, the helper chemical that works together with vitamin C, and the incomplete synthetic ascorbic acid are all working together in a way that is able to be used.
If you do not eat the food that has the vitamin and you only eat the pill, you are never getting the full part of the vitamin that is needed. And whatever of the full vitamin that is saved in your body will be used up and removed. And when there is none of the full vitamin left, the synthetic vitamin is not going to work anymore because it does not work by itself. Then it will not be absorbed and it will be useless.
hi. thanks for sharing.
yes, its so true that each nutrient has many different forms (molecular shape, etc.). some are better for the body to absorb. and synthetic ones are generally rubbish.
the multivitamin i use is:
https://www.togetherhealth.co.uk/products/mens-multi. the company claims that each nutrient is sourced from natural ingredients. they say their vit c is extracted from orange pulp. their k2 extracted from chickpeas. vit A from carrot. vit d3 from lichen. then iron, selenium, zinc, copper, gtf chromium, iodine, niacin, pantothenic acid,riboflavin, vitamin b6, thiamin, vitamin b12, molybdenum, manganese, biotin and folic acid from a deactivated yeast.
HPS Maxine says supplements cant replace nutrients found in meat. but i wonder; if one uses quality supplements (derived from plants and yeast) with no harmful additives, does anything stop the body from absorbing the nutrients and being healthy?
as for protein, i use a combination of rice & soy protein powder (Non-gmo).
i would like to use natural supplements and stay vegan. but if im told that even natural, high quality (non-synthetic, non-gmo) supplements still wont provide a body with nutrients, then of course i shall listen and add meat to the diet. though if its possible, id like to know whY HPS Maxine says that supplements "don't work". some supplements are indeed low quality, and so the body might not absorb most of the nutrients. for well designed supplements which the body can absorb most of the nutrients, i dont see why veganism 'wont work' in the long-run.