The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

Thank you for this, brother.

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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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This is awesome Blackdragon! Another epic astrology article bookmarked for my studies Thank you!

I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

Awesome. Thank you for this.

Loved reading this, really nice post. Thank you for sharing this knowledge.

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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

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Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

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Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

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Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

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My personal observation on intercepted signs is that energies can experience in a sense a blend of the two energies, with the closest one always having an upper hand. There is rarely a mix between these influences in a total way or 50/50.

BlackDragon might have something else to point you out to, but bear in mind the above in more factual in natal charts. In predictive, generally, it will affect the dominant house or when the house is into. It would be almost totally affected by Gemini in predictive astrology.

Great post.
My moon is in Capricorn, my Neptune is in Capricorn, and my 10th house has Capricorn. I find that I can sometimes be crushed with pessimism but other times I feel structured, organized, and secured. I take my job extremely seriously even though I have not considered it a career yet.

HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Pillar said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

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Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

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My personal observation on intercepted signs is that energies can experience in a sense a blend of the two energies, with the closest one always having an upper hand. There is rarely a mix between these influences in a total way or 50/50.

BlackDragon might have something else to point you out to, but bear in mind the above in more factual in natal charts. In predictive, generally, it will affect the dominant house or when the house is into. It would be almost totally affected by Gemini in predictive astrology.

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I totally agree with this. Since intercepted signs are weaker, the intercepted sign will often be the weaker one with the one on the cusp being stronger. To Pillar, as has been said, the answer is yes. This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers). Because they also affect the house in question, in this case the first house. You can see how detailed Astrology can be and why cheap Astrologers and their generic readings can be a nuisance to anyone with some real knowledge in Astrology.

You're welcome Brothers and Sisters

Since the signs on the houses are suggestive and often can mean different things for different people, this can be a good exercise for developing your intuition. Part of reading charts is a good intuition. Start with your own chart, go house by house and see how the affairs of the sign on the cusp and any intercepted sign relate with that house. Do the same with charts of loved ones, famous people and any other charts you can get. Then you can share what you learn on the forums, in addition to developing your intuitive faculties.

HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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Thank you for your addition.

Lydia [JG said:

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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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Thank you for your addition.

Lydia [JG said:

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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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Could Aquarius in the 4th house suggest childhood being associated with technology, like say, children growing up to console games, watching sci-fi shows or things like Marvel superhero movies, or just interested in things of that nature?

Very true. This aligns with the Ascendant and the plan of the Houses in general.

Classical astrologers noted for example that while Scorpio Ascendant people tended to have more deprived beginnings, they tended to have powerful benefactors who took pity on them, found them attractive, supported them or otherwise, since Leo is usually on the cusp of the 10th House (Midheaven) for such people, and Virgo is usually on the 11th which is an additional help.

The signs of the angles - obviously the Ascendant, but also the Imum Coeli (4th), Descendant (7th), Midheaven (10th) - are very important for understanding the 'plan' or 'tone' of someone's life. Any planets within orb of the angle itself are also very magnified in their effect. That's another reason why the right birth time is very important.

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers).

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The planet that rules the intercepted sign in the first house is a co-ruler? Even if the planet isn't posited in the 1st?

Thank you sir, your posts are always very interesting and insightful.

I wish you were my Maths teacher, you make things simples.....great post brother

Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.

I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

slyscorpion said:

Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.

I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

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In fact some of them have Saturn Uranus and Neptune together there even more interesting.
I believe the year 1988 mostly.

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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I just watched a friend of mine go from nothing to millionaire over night with Saturn retrograde directly on the MC. It was well deserved just due to who he is and he’s pretty intelligent. He committed to doing a small project daily and got in on something at the right time. His girlfriend told me that he had spoken about kundalini before and that some years ago he had an experience with it where it jolted up his spine and he didn’t know what was happening.

How does Libra fall into play?

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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Does anyone here know if there is a correlation to pluto, scorpio, and/or the 8th house to permanent body transformations like plastic surgeries, tattoos, body modification, piercings, ect.

but if one has in an astrological house a planet that governs the sign in which the house is located (for example a house with the cusp in Scorpio and Pluto inside the same house) how is it interpreted?

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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Thank you for your addition.

Lydia [JG said:

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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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I’ve been a bit mixed on interpreting 12th house Capricorn or Saturn in Pisces. I know a few talented artists with a 12th house Capricorn who delve into spirituality but are inclined to disregard it’s relevance to how they live. Some people with Saturn in Pisces take spirituality more seriously than others.

Lydia is now retired astrology , and I am very glad this will help us all to advance , as she has many talent in astrology to teach us , and what are the runes combition that helps in astrology

HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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People who have strong capricorn emphasis or a stellium are extremely hard workers most of the time unless they have some sort if neptune issues or problems with vitality in the chart. They are often some of the most tenacious people that outlast the most when it comes to working for serious long term but very tedious goals.

I would also like to contribute after comparing these notes from this post, to my own chart, that any body part that a zodiac sign rules may recieve some sort of attention or emphasis for good or ill depending on the house it is in and what planet is in that sign.

After comparing my own chart for example, it explained certain manifestations of injuries i have sustained in the past to certain body parts. Mars and saturn specifically in a sign on a house cusp can cause injury or irritation to that body part that, that particular sign rules over, and perhaps within the nature or particular setting of that house. The benefic planets and others might cause some other sort of attention to be given, or some sort of positive special development or emphasis via physical appeal or also perhaps not so much if there are hard aspects.

Just some thoughts.

Sundara said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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Thank you for your addition.

Lydia [JG said:

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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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I’ve been a bit mixed on interpreting 12th house Capricorn or Saturn in Pisces. I know a few talented artists with a 12th house Capricorn who delve into spirituality but are inclined to disregard it’s relevance to how they live. Some people with Saturn in Pisces take spirituality more seriously than others.

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From my personal experience (since I have Pisces Saturn (tho retro)) Pisces Saturn people take spirituality seriously because their mind and imagination, their dreams, usually point towards it. It also depends on how well Jupiter is, if exalted or home sign, and/or it has a benefic aspect like Trine, Sextile etc. The issue with Pisces Saturn is that (especially if it aspects Neptune, and if Neptune is prominent, or in a sign ruled by Saturn) could lead to delusions, and may use drugs to experience "spiritual breakthroughs". Pisces is an exaltation point of Venus and Neptune is the home sign of Pisces, so they could possibly look up to people who are in the entertainment industry who are spiritual and have knowledge who do drugs while meditating and stuff of that nature. Pisces is also the detriment point of Mercury, so they might not make the wisest decisions, especially if Mercury is weak.

Though that is merely an observation of mine.

Thank you for sharing this!! Your awesome Brother! Hail Satan!!

GoldenxChild1 said:

Great post.
My moon is in Capricorn, my Neptune is in Capricorn, and my 10th house has Capricorn. I find that I can sometimes be crushed with pessimism but other times I feel structured, organized, and secured. I take my job extremely seriously even though I have not considered it a career yet.

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Capricorn placements in the 10th house are positive for work and the career. Totally explains your attitude towards work. Keep it up.

Kavya Shukra said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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Thank you for your addition.

Lydia [JG said:

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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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Could Aquarius in the 4th house suggest childhood being associated with technology, like say, children growing up to console games, watching sci-fi shows or things like Marvel superhero movies, or just interested in things of that nature?

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Yes this is one way it can manifest. Though these things are pretty common for kids nowadays so they may not need a specific placement to appear in a chart nowadays. But your assessment is okay.

Karnonnos said:

Very true. This aligns with the Ascendant and the plan of the Houses in general.

Classical astrologers noted for example that while Scorpio Ascendant people tended to have more deprived beginnings, they tended to have powerful benefactors who took pity on them, found them attractive, supported them or otherwise, since Leo is usually on the cusp of the 10th House (Midheaven) for such people, and Virgo is usually on the 11th which is an additional help.

The signs of the angles - obviously the Ascendant, but also the Imum Coeli (4th), Descendant (7th), Midheaven (10th) - are very important for understanding the 'plan' or 'tone' of someone's life. Any planets within orb of the angle itself are also very magnified in their effect. That's another reason why the right birth time is very important.

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I've always wondered whether the rulers of the angles take on special importance and power in the chart like the chart ruler. Your opinion Brother?

Korpi said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers).

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The planet that rules the intercepted sign in the first house is a co-ruler? Even if the planet isn't posited in the 1st?

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Exactly, yes.

slyscorpion said:

slyscorpion said:

Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.

I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

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In fact some of them have Saturn Uranus and Neptune together there even more interesting.
I believe the year 1988 mostly.

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I would be wary about associating planets with the signs they are secondary rulers to. Saturn has to do with boundaries, restrictions, established order, limitations and growth through discipline and effort. Aquarius on the other hand is about freedom, breaking free from restrictions, the future, revolution etc.

Even Jupiter has little in relation to Pisces which it is a secondary ruler to. Generally, the planets share a lot with the signs they are primary rulers to.

tandt said:

I wish you were my Maths teacher, you make things simples.....great post brother

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I have always wanted to be a professor.

Sundara said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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I just watched a friend of mine go from nothing to millionaire over night with Saturn retrograde directly on the MC. It was well deserved just due to who he is and he’s pretty intelligent. He committed to doing a small project daily and got in on something at the right time. His girlfriend told me that he had spoken about kundalini before and that some years ago he had an experience with it where it jolted up his spine and he didn’t know what was happening.

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Very interesting. He could be a Satanic soul. That is good for him and I hope he enjoys his newfound wealth.

Sundara said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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Does anyone here know if there is a correlation to pluto, scorpio, and/or the 8th house to permanent body transformations like plastic surgeries, tattoos, body modification, piercings, ect.

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Venus. Look to transits to one's Venus. Venus rules the skin, cosmetics, beauty and everything it entails. You can also look at the chart ruler and 1st house.

Saturn666 said:

but if one has in an astrological house a planet that governs the sign in which the house is located (for example a house with the cusp in Scorpio and Pluto inside the same house) how is it interpreted?

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This can be a bit complicated. Let's say you have the ruler of your 6th house in the 6th house. I have found that the ruler of the 6th house can often show what kind of jobs one attracts. So with this placement, one can attract jobs that involve health and well-being or any other affairs of the 6th house.

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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Thank you for your addition.

Lydia [JG said:

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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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I’ve been a bit mixed on interpreting 12th house Capricorn or Saturn in Pisces. I know a few talented artists with a 12th house Capricorn who delve into spirituality but are inclined to disregard it’s relevance to how they live. Some people with Saturn in Pisces take spirituality more seriously than others.

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Saturn in pisces can be channeled towards a disciplined approach to meditation. Same as Capricorn on the 12th. Though it can also mean skepticism as you say. Though one should look at the whole chart.

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Lydia is now retired astrology , and I am very glad this will help us all to advance , as she has many talent in astrology to teach us , and what are the runes combition that helps in astrology

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Practice and discipline. It can be easier for some (I have a fixed star that is good for Astrologers prominent in my chart) but anyone can learn if they have the determination.

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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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People who have strong capricorn emphasis or a stellium are extremely hard workers most of the time unless they have some sort if neptune issues or problems with vitality in the chart. They are often some of the most tenacious people that outlast the most when it comes to working for serious long term but very tedious goals.

I would also like to contribute after comparing these notes from this post, to my own chart, that any body part that a zodiac sign rules may recieve some sort of attention or emphasis for good or ill depending on the house it is in and what planet is in that sign.

After comparing my own chart for example, it explained certain manifestations of injuries i have sustained in the past to certain body parts. Mars and saturn specifically in a sign on a house cusp can cause injury or irritation to that body part that, that particular sign rules over, and perhaps within the nature or particular setting of that house. The benefic planets and others might cause some other sort of attention to be given, or some sort of positive special development or emphasis via physical appeal or also perhaps not so much if there are hard aspects.

Just some thoughts.

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The sign Mars is in, the body parts it rules can be prone to injury, inflammations and related. Like how people with an Aries Mars are prone to getting headaches, scars on the face and facial injuries (Aries rules the head region).

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How does Libra fall into play?

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This is a summary of all the signs. This is all taken alone and very generic. Anyone with any addition, correction or any other input should feel free to add.

Aries - Where one can have selfish tendencies, rush things, be confident, self-starting, there can be a sense of competition in the affairs of that house.

Taurus - where one has a slower practical approach, needs structure and stability (can apply for capricorn too), needs security, comfort, money and material possessions can be connected to the affairs of this house, affairs of the house may not be prone to change (Taurus is an earth and fixed sign, one of the most stable signs).

Gemini - where one lacks stability, one can enjoy thinking or communicating about the affairs of this house, things can be experienced in multiples (e.g. dual citizenship for Gemini on the 4th house, multiple lovers for Gemini on the 5th and so on), where frequent changes happen (Gemini is a Mutable and air sign, lacks consistency), neighbors or relatives can also be involved with the affairs of this house (I know a person who was raised by her aunt and uncle, Gemini on the 4th house in addition to other factors showing growing up without the parents).

Cancer - home and family can be connected to the affairs of this house, Cancer can show where one needs emotional security, emotions can be connected to the affairs of this house (e.g. emotional attachment to one's work with Cancer on the 6th house, decisions based on emotions with cancer on the 3rd house etc.)

Leo - Where one takes pride, there can be a sense of leadership regarding the affairs of the house (this can also apply for Aries and sometimes capricorn as it rules management), where one can be bold, can also hint at creativity.

Virgo - where one is critical, a perfectionist, good at details, matters to do with health and hygiene can be related with the affairs of this house (say needing a clean environment and a clean and freshly smelling partner during sex with virgo on the 8th house), work and service can also be connected to the affairs of this house.

Libra - being the opposite sign of Aries, where one needs harmony, co-operation with others, where one tends to be diplomatic, where one puts their needs aside and considers things outside their own self, the love life of one's needs in love can also be connected to the affairs of this house. Libra also rules justice so this can be where one has a strong sense of justice and sometimes this can be literally stuff to do with law. I've seen Libra on the 10th house in the charts of those whose fathers were lawyers, for instance.

Scorpio - where one feels deeply, where there are lasting impressions on the psyche, where there can be obsessions, where one can need a sense of power, where there can be a sense of power or control coming to the person (for instance, scorpio on the 11th house can give controlling friends), where transformation can occur in the life, where there are deep ties (with people ruled by the house in question), where there can be regeneration, the sex life can be connected to the affairs of this house, where there can be hidden things.

Sagittarius - where one needs freedom, where one can be lucky, there can be expansion in a literal sense (Sagittarius rising people can be large in some way for instance, as the 1st house rules the physical body; Sagittarius on the 4th house can among many things indicate a large family either in the childhood or the family one builds in their life), where things go easy, where one is impractical and overconfident, where one needs adventure, the affairs of Sagittarius like travel, international affairs, long distance affairs, education can also be connected to this house (working abroad with Sagittarius on the 6th, traveling to study abroad with Sagittarius on the 9th and so on). One's religious beliefs and personal morals can also be connected to the affairs of the house in question.

Capricorn - where one is disciplined or is needed to be disciplined by circumstances outside their control, where there are limitations, obstacles or restrictions; old age or older people can be connected to this house (like a grandparent in one's childhood with Capricorn on the 4th), where one needs a sense of security and structure, where one is practical and cautious, where one has endurance. Sometimes, the house with capricorn can be where one experiences bad luck or misfortune but you have to look at the whole chart.

Aquarius - Where one needs freedom, where one can be rebellious, unconventional, where there is originality, where there can be unexpected changes, things can be unusual in the affairs of this house, friends or friendship can be connected to this house (also groups/organizations) , where there can be teamwork.

Pisces - Where one is gullible or impressionable, where one is idealistic, fantasies and the imagination can be connected to this house, where there is a sense of weakness, where there is little stability, where we can experience victimization or suffering (this can even manifest differently from plain suffering, like sexual masochism with Pisces on the 8th house).

Note that when a house rules people, they can have traits of the sign on the cusp or the sign the ruler of the house is in. Or the affairs ruled by this sign can be prominent in the life of the person ruled by the house in question.

This is all very general. The signs rule many things and one thing may not apply for all people with the same placements, just like the planets.

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GoldenxChild1 said:

Great post.
My moon is in Capricorn, my Neptune is in Capricorn, and my 10th house has Capricorn. I find that I can sometimes be crushed with pessimism but other times I feel structured, organized, and secured. I take my job extremely seriously even though I have not considered it a career yet.

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Capricorn placements in the 10th house are positive for work and the career. Totally explains your attitude towards work. Keep it up.

Kavya Shukra said:

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Thank you for your addition.

This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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Could Aquarius in the 4th house suggest childhood being associated with technology, like say, children growing up to console games, watching sci-fi shows or things like Marvel superhero movies, or just interested in things of that nature?

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Yes this is one way it can manifest. Though these things are pretty common for kids nowadays so they may not need a specific placement to appear in a chart nowadays. But your assessment is okay.

Karnonnos said:

Very true. This aligns with the Ascendant and the plan of the Houses in general.

Classical astrologers noted for example that while Scorpio Ascendant people tended to have more deprived beginnings, they tended to have powerful benefactors who took pity on them, found them attractive, supported them or otherwise, since Leo is usually on the cusp of the 10th House (Midheaven) for such people, and Virgo is usually on the 11th which is an additional help.

The signs of the angles - obviously the Ascendant, but also the Imum Coeli (4th), Descendant (7th), Midheaven (10th) - are very important for understanding the 'plan' or 'tone' of someone's life. Any planets within orb of the angle itself are also very magnified in their effect. That's another reason why the right birth time is very important.

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I've always wondered whether the rulers of the angles take on special importance and power in the chart like the chart ruler. Your opinion Brother?

Korpi said:

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This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers).

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The planet that rules the intercepted sign in the first house is a co-ruler? Even if the planet isn't posited in the 1st?

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Exactly, yes.

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Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.

I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

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In fact some of them have Saturn Uranus and Neptune together there even more interesting.
I believe the year 1988 mostly.

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I would be wary about associating planets with the signs they are secondary rulers to. Saturn has to do with boundaries, restrictions, established order, limitations and growth through discipline and effort. Aquarius on the other hand is about freedom, breaking free from restrictions, the future, revolution etc.

Even Jupiter has little in relation to Pisces which it is a secondary ruler to. Generally, the planets share a lot with the signs they are primary rulers to.

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I wish you were my Maths teacher, you make things simples.....great post brother

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I have always wanted to be a professor.

Sundara said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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I just watched a friend of mine go from nothing to millionaire over night with Saturn retrograde directly on the MC. It was well deserved just due to who he is and he’s pretty intelligent. He committed to doing a small project daily and got in on something at the right time. His girlfriend told me that he had spoken about kundalini before and that some years ago he had an experience with it where it jolted up his spine and he didn’t know what was happening.

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Very interesting. He could be a Satanic soul. That is good for him and I hope he enjoys his newfound wealth.

Sundara said:

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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Does anyone here know if there is a correlation to pluto, scorpio, and/or the 8th house to permanent body transformations like plastic surgeries, tattoos, body modification, piercings, ect.

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Venus. Look to transits to one's Venus. Venus rules the skin, cosmetics, beauty and everything it entails. You can also look at the chart ruler and 1st house.

Saturn666 said:

but if one has in an astrological house a planet that governs the sign in which the house is located (for example a house with the cusp in Scorpio and Pluto inside the same house) how is it interpreted?

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This can be a bit complicated. Let's say you have the ruler of your 6th house in the 6th house. I have found that the ruler of the 6th house can often show what kind of jobs one attracts. So with this placement, one can attract jobs that involve health and well-being or any other affairs of the 6th house.

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Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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Thank you for your addition.

This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

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I’ve been a bit mixed on interpreting 12th house Capricorn or Saturn in Pisces. I know a few talented artists with a 12th house Capricorn who delve into spirituality but are inclined to disregard it’s relevance to how they live. Some people with Saturn in Pisces take spirituality more seriously than others.

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Saturn in pisces can be channeled towards a disciplined approach to meditation. Same as Capricorn on the 12th. Though it can also mean skepticism as you say. Though one should look at the whole chart.

ak052 said:

Lydia is now retired astrology , and I am very glad this will help us all to advance , as she has many talent in astrology to teach us , and what are the runes combition that helps in astrology

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Practice and discipline. It can be easier for some (I have a fixed star that is good for Astrologers prominent in my chart) but anyone can learn if they have the determination.

Shadowcat said:

HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:

Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

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People who have strong capricorn emphasis or a stellium are extremely hard workers most of the time unless they have some sort if neptune issues or problems with vitality in the chart. They are often some of the most tenacious people that outlast the most when it comes to working for serious long term but very tedious goals.

I would also like to contribute after comparing these notes from this post, to my own chart, that any body part that a zodiac sign rules may recieve some sort of attention or emphasis for good or ill depending on the house it is in and what planet is in that sign.

After comparing my own chart for example, it explained certain manifestations of injuries i have sustained in the past to certain body parts. Mars and saturn specifically in a sign on a house cusp can cause injury or irritation to that body part that, that particular sign rules over, and perhaps within the nature or particular setting of that house. The benefic planets and others might cause some other sort of attention to be given, or some sort of positive special development or emphasis via physical appeal or also perhaps not so much if there are hard aspects.

Just some thoughts.

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The sign Mars is in, the body parts it rules can be prone to injury, inflammations and related. Like how people with an Aries Mars are prone to getting headaches, scars on the face and facial injuries (Aries rules the head region).

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I said in the cases I talked about all people I read had Saturn conjunct Uranus The primary ruler of the sign and some of them had them both in Capricorn. So yeah Saturn is important here. That may make a difference. I mostly stick with around my age group for friends and social things so I don't really know anyone that doesn't have that. Maybe it makes a difference i put that out there.

I would have to see.

I have both Saturn and Jupiter in my 12th house Pisces. I think sublimation is the best approach which is what I'm centering my current Jupiter Square around.

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Gemini - where one lacks stability, one can enjoy thinking or communicating about the affairs of this house

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Does that mean, for example, that someone with Gemini on the 4th house likes to talk about his family? Even learn about the past, family tradition... I always thought that Gemini on the 4th creates a intelectual family. A family where learning and comunication is important.

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Multiple lovers for Gemini on the 5th

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Gemini on the 5th could mean that one likes to learn about love, creativity, theaters...? (and then comunicate what they know about it)

Excellent post Blackdragon666!

Blackdragon666 [JG said:

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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.

I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).

If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

The same applies for the other signs. Always confirm what you get from the signs on the houses with the planets. If you know the rulership and nature of the signs it becomes easy to read them in a chart. With Aries, the house with Aries on the cusp can be where one rushes things, is energetic, competitive, and if it's a house that rules certain people, Aries traits can be strong in the individuals ruled by the house. Taurus can show where one has stability, needs comfort, and one's finances can be connected to that house's affairs. Gemini can show where one lacks stability, experiences things in multiples, prone to changes etc. And so on.

In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

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Thank you for this.

Awesome, Thank You