Braun666 wrote: ConsistentMeditator wrote:
I didn't say it's all not true because some things are not sourced. Some articles by the admins are so verifiably true that sources aren't actually needed, since you can independently test a given meditation and find that the spiritual knowledge is 100% accurate, sometimes in a matter of mere minutes. And I've done that myself for some of the meditations and found them useful, and I agree that they can be very helpful and we should all be glad these spiritual articles have been posted. I get what you are saying on that front.
However, I have more of a problem with political articles not using sources. To some extent, part of the problem is that listing all the sources for every single time would take a great deal of time, but that could be addressed by making more centralized threads rather than the current format where there are hundreds of separate articles with all the past ones effectively buried and no longer discussed. In a real journal or newspaper, there would always be citations for the claims made, that is just how it works. Of course, in the real newsmedia the Jews fake everything anyways, but that doesn't mean that striving for that ideal of citing the major claims is wrong, on the contrary, it's far better to cite than simply tell people to google. Otherwise there is much less of a baseline standard for how much citation is needed.
As for looking for answers, since it bothered you, I used CTRL-F to search through all the 10+ pages of important articles for Iran, but there are only about 4 focusing on it, all made recently.
This one by HP Maxine:viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26989
This one by HP Cobra:viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26888
This one by a normal member:viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27468
And obviously this article that you're posting in right now.
Cobra used sources in referencing what happened that the mainstream all agrees on, but not in supporting the arguments about the Jews. Maxine's article was more of a general warning to members of what to worry about and didn't use any sources. The normal member's article was mostly a citation of the plane crash they were talking about followed by their personal statement that they thought the Jews planned the crash and got all the people killed. In response to that member article, Cobra did cite a source proving the Ukrainian president is a Jew and therefore has a good chance of possibly having been behind the crash, and that type of citation is more of the type of thing I think is better to do.
Since you were saying that I am doing nothing but complain, here's a source showing what i think is better practice.https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... to-israel/
Since these guys cited the Jerusalem Post, they came to the bullshit conclusion that Iran was lying, but clearly this is not the case. If the Israelis had made their radar jamming good enough to counter the S300s anti air missles and let their fighters get past there is no way Iran would have simply fixed this technological inferiority problem in a short time span as they in fact did, that is something that could only logically happen by changing the codes which Russia had given away to make the Israeli planes identify as friendly to the computer systems of the S300 missles. In this case what Mageson said is verified in the way he said but it would've been much more effective if he actually did the citation as well and showed the official sources all but admit to this.
So, as you can see, I agree that claims like this can be proven, but I think the citations have to be done for this to truly be complete and good. To be fair, Mageson did cite a single source in that article, but it would be a lot better if he was more thorough. I basically just went through the entire site searching for Iran articles that have this data sourced and proven and it's not there. Perhaps I could find one if i looked more thoroughly rather than only CTRL-Fing for Iran, but for now it seems there's no sources on the site on the Iran claims here. As for the ones about Russia and Putin and Putin working for the Jews, I believe those, and unlike the Iran claims i can't immediately say they have no sources at all on the site, i will need to do a similar search to be 100% sure of that, but there are none that immediately come to mind.
Of course, it's also important to point out that in a real news organization people actually get paid for their jobs and their hard work citing everything. Nobody posting big articles is incentivized to do so beyond their own inner desire to get the truth out there. But nonetheless I think these standards matter and i just proved to you that i am not being hypocritical and demanding something i can't do myself. I'll research and source more things if I find time/interest, but for now it seems pointless, because here it seems that if you offend someone once with how you phrase something you're called a Jew and treated as subhuman. You haven't responded that way, but it gives me very little incentive when even the admins are willing to do this. Hopefully you understand the problem
Okay I see your point. You are right in some degrees.
But it’s good to keep in mind that a source doesn’t always legitimize what is being stated. With the current jewish monopoly on information, using discerning lenses is a MUST. Journalism has also degraded and decreased in value, and standards are low where making something viral or some form of agenda is always present. This makes contradicting news common place today.
Citations and sources help, I’ve gained enough trust in the HP’s to trust what they say, not blindly though. Most of what they state is based around common sense and an understanding of the jewish problem. Generally they provide sources especially when it’s new information. When it’s common news that can be easily found then there’s obviously no need. I see no point in dismissing what they state, I know you’re asking for a reference point and there’s always one they’re going off of, obviously. This reference point can also come from the gods as well, which no jewish source will agree with or provide, evidently. Won’t go off tangent as you’ve agreed in understanding this...
There have been enough scholarly level articles, with full citations/sources given regularly, that to think they would ever downgrade their standard of abiding to the truth to fit a quota or narrative, is foolish. Anyone who has studied knows of the jew problem being the root of all issues and problems, and this is always traceable either directly or indirectly.
So all in all, the need for citations and sources to legitimize their word is often not too required. On the subject of politics, the best approach is seeking information out yourself, if there’s a mistake noted, you can state such within reason. Since as stated above without a discerning lense one can actually fall(as many today have) for the jewish lies and narratives. Keeping in mind that ((they)) own 99% of the media, and a satanic soul has the right filter to discern truths from lies while the regular joe, those without, easily fall prey to these lies.
I believe you have good intentions but I just wonder to what end you need political articles to always contain sources and references, is it to add value to the community, and add to the conversation or for the sake of looking for a flaw in their method of deliverance.
My view is that the core of ALL problems is the jew, thus articles on conflicts and current worldly problem that have all risen from this “virus”, and that make mention of this root cause are viable even when not fully referenced. The jewish monopoly on the media doesn’t allow such unfortunately. I try to focus on the core and root cause, the jew.
I agree to some extent and I get your point of view on focusing on the Jews. I also realize that my initial post basically just amounted to annoying anyone who read it without contributing anything very productive so in the future i'll post something along the lines of my most recent post instead and actually provide something useful that fixes the problem of lack of sources to some level.
I get that if the HPs seemingly have memorized a vast amount of this information like on Iran and Putin and spirituality and so on,that it'd take a long time to search through the site to find the exact links proving all 10+ points that any individual admin may have memorized, but it would still be a lot easier if the links they've inevitably found to learn this information were more widely distributed. For example, Mageson says about 5 or more different things about Russia and you need to search quite a while to find a Russia article here. Here are the two i found:viewtopic.php?f=24&t=12075viewtopic.php?f=24&t=17530
And both are buried at least 8 pages in. Of course, compared to most other conspiracy sites, this is infinitely better, as in many it is basically impossible to find anything they made more than, let's say, a month ago. Just would help a lot overall.
HP Mageson666 wrote:Also ConsistentMeditator I apologize if I upset you and I didn't call you a Jew.
You did call me a Jew, though. Your earlier post:
HP Mageson666 wrote:I notice that ConsistentMeditator is consistently complaining again like in just about every post. And then quotes some Israeli troll to whine in harmony with. Feeling the vibe with the tribe he is.
Its never good enough for consistent whiner, no matter how many sources, answers or whatever it comes back to.....whine all over again. But what does consistent meditator do to contribute..... After six million posts it will still be complaining like its owed something for just being around complaining.
"Feeling the vibe with the tribe he is" and then calling me an it, yeah, that's clear cut you calling me a jew. I guess you just didn't think i'd put in the effort to search back. So you should just admit it now as it's proven.
HP Mageson666 wrote:However I illustrated something to you to think on. You need to actually ask questions not just make generalized statements if you did that more maybe you would not seem so upset somehow. I get the feeling your frustrated about some construct you have in your mind of what you think this should be and its not.
I realize my first post overly upset anyone and accomplished little, but that's no reason to go and call me a Jew like you did. If you're not going to change your style of posting articles, i'm not going to be that bothered. I already adjusted with my most recent post in showing an example of how to cite more effectively and not just overwhelm readers with a ton of claims that they can't trace back and verify, which is basically what your original Iran post did. It's not like I don't trust that there's truth to the claims but when the sources aren't there it's very difficult to immediately know and trace back your thought process so i can be on the same page as you. I can't just see everything you're thinking, nor can anyone else reading the article. For example, You said one of your sources is 100s of pages, but you only brought it up to prove just one of those 10 or more points about Russia and Putin and the Jews, the page count doesn't really change that most of them aren't something i can trace back. Nonetheless though the citation is not central to me right now. What I care about is that you're only pseudo apologizing right now but you're still not admitting you did call me a Jew and an it and you need to apologize upfront for that too as i just now proved it to you that you did do those things.
Ol argedco luciftias wrote:A lot of these articles are written from an understanding that comes from a whole lifetime of thousands of sources all coming together as an enlightenment. So that it is just a wide understanding of the state of reality and facts. So it is hard to put down one source for that, because it is not taken from a specific source. Thousands of sources over many years each provide a new perspective, they each add new information and knowledge, and they each contribute to the person's entire understanding of everything. And this entire larger understanding is the source that these articles are written from. If you want some specific detail, that can be sourced from a book very easily and that is the right way to do it. But when you are talking about a person's entire lifetime of understanding about general basic reality, what source do you expect them to give?
It depends on what's his independent discovery and what's a citation from someone else. If you find out a new fact by yourself, the best way to cite it so everyone reading is on the same page would be to cite the article in which you last posted about it. Let's say Mageson discovered some fact about Iran or Russia or anything relevant 2 years ago and finds it relevant now, he could then link the article where he figured it out, and keep a database of info for what he's gathered together so he can keep full track of what he learned, when and where. Of course, if he found something out at a time when it was a previous version of the forums, there's a danger of lost data, which is why with any luck the HPs have backed up all the vital information in some way to some extent on their own personal computers/laptops in the event of emergency. The point's the same, though. It needs to be possible to trace back the thought process of the writer to some extent with sources for it all to really be fully understandable. I realize that in some cases, it would be unrealistic to cite every single relevant source when a mod might be thinking of how 10 or more different pieces of information all tie together in relation to something going on, but even a few more would help significantly.
Some of these facts are definitely not things he was the first to discover so that's where keeping tabs on citations is more helpful. And if you want to know my opinion on how this could all be better organized, it would be simpler if there were more centralized pools of data and not just 10s and 10s of disparate important articles with most of them buried in the dust and forgotten. This centralization is happening to some extent here with this Iran thread right now and i think it'd be ideal if Mageson could just keep updating a running tab on the status of certain things. Like if he could just continue to update the original post in this thread over and over every time new situations come up, make new separate articles for new incidents related to iran all while using this one article or a new iran article as sort of a central hub for the other ones that explains the history and context in an easy to understand way. Can mods actually edit/update their posts over time unlike normal members? If not, i think the forums might be inherently limited to some extent in keeping people informed easily.
Overall I think a lot could still be done better and I'll show you what I mean when i have time by posting more proofs/citations of various things that seem uncited in any article that seems important, like i did with the bit about the Syrian s300 antiair missle codes being given away to Israel by Russia.