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Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:57 pm

Universal Basic Income would solve much of the current social economic problems and might be the solution for the population at this time. To do this it needs to be issued to the entire population regardless.

This would provide for the problem of current inequality of income to the workers and supplement their wages allowing this to make up for the lower wages and hours. 44 percent of the homeless in America work a full time job and UBI would help solve their homeless crisis right there. It would also allow for workers to have a bargain plan for their own lives and not be imprisoned in abusive jobs based on the economic scarcity that has been artificially created in this sense they could afford to walk off the job or strike. It would give power back to labour organization. It would also allow for people to not have to work sixty hours a week to just survive. Which the cost of the stress of long term exhaustion is illness, the loss of marriages, dysfunctional family situations and the such. And it would not burden small business owners with mandatory government ordered higher wages they can't afford.

Almost 50 percent of working American's can't afford to have pay a bill of around a hundred dollars. They are one expense away from debt or homelessness. UBI would remove this from them.

UBI would also end the crisis of the violence of poverty and homeless in general. There are entire camps of homeless people that have nothing left. It would also allow people more money for access to health services and better living which reduces sickness and of the body and mind and reduces crime and general social collapse.

It would also create a restart to the good and services of the economy as people would have money to invest into consumerism of good and services again. People will also have money to get out of debt and even take loans to start businesses.

It would also create greater political and social freedom as people can speak their mind and engage in the political process without the fear of economic persecution loss of job and income being used against them.

The arguments against UBI are mainly negative reaction that comes from social conditioning. That you have to slave for a shekel or of cost. It would cost only 20 billion dollars to end homelessness in America today yet the government has instead spent three trillion dollars to murder a million people in wars in the Middle East. The cost of high quality UBI is affordable. And it would help to rebuild the economy fast.

The strangest argument is if the population has UBI every one is going to become a lazy bum now that they are no longer working themselves to death for slave wages..... How horrible, personal freedom and economic justice for the average person. This would also allow for a better landing with automation of many jobs coming. It would also give people the personal security needed to take risks in creating a new economy that is not depended on the labour purchase one that is already disappearing with globalization and the tech revolution. The majority of people want to do something with their life they are not prone to nothingness they will find something creative to do.

UBI is not idealism its a practical public health issue.

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This is the reality of the situation people need help now and UBI will do this. Its strange watching people here put these non practical conditions onto this...…"First we need this movement and then has to happen and then this". 44 percent of homeless people work full time..... The reality is you don't have a Harry Potter wand. The reality is within this climate the political, business class we have and exists the UBI is the tool that bridges the gap. The business class can be given the incentives to return here with the guarantee of no government minimum wage increases or benefit demands and as Trump wants give them lower taxes to get them to return. This can help reverse globalization of the economy to a great degree and can be an agreement to limit automation as it keeps production costs low and maintains enough paid people to have people with money to buy your products. This can be done with UBI to pick up the slack you get your UBI and you get what you make for working. Its a incentive to get people to work as they can earn more and they can have a place to work at this helps to eliminate poverty and close the growing gap between the classes. Now they have extra money to then spend back into the economy and get the wheel of production and consumption moving again with the extra cash. This also allows for a greater market for people who want to create small business as the demand is there as everyone is not holding on to their last dollar for dear life. This will save and expand the middle class and ensure the existence of the working class. And this will increase the long term profits of the big business as they have a lasting market to sell to. It will also help to get people out of debt not to mention the massive student debts, people don't spend when in debt that much. Everyone wins. That works.

Guess whatz…… You can even do this with the current private banking system the debt and interest debt is fucking fake its numbers and paper you can keep driving it up forever they already have been. Just keep the payments low as fuck.

As for the claims of migrants the illegals guess what they already get major gibs to be here. That is not a reason to not rebuild the economy with a practical solution and help the citizens.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:59 pm

This thread is for on topic the previous one off topic is in the archive if people what to continue on that one.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:25 pm

As Europe moves more Nationalist the Nationalist Parities should take UBI on as platform like in Italy. This is addressing the technological revolution that the western world is the creator of as well. Hopeful we can transition into the new economic restructuring of society this is bringing about without the issues of the last restructuring of society that came with the industrialized age and the social, economic system it brought.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby absolute13 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:38 pm

What if you have a ubi in the US as a standard that keeps people alive and cared for on their own and allow companies to lower wages and make law to use the surplus for the building of society like their neighborhood overall which would grant more construction and building with the environment. Through this phase people would then build along their own homes for the benefit and experience. Then you can lay out more of a socialist standpoint with emphasis of the Nation as a whole within these single but whole communities which then ties everybody Into the activity of their own communities gov. as a whole. Everyone becomes an economist own their own which builds decision making and uplifts the intelligence of the masses with workings and policies now then the future.
White's, Black's, Mongolians, and others building up and developing their own by a natural decree within their own neighborhoods like a lot of people are already in. This keeps everyone Independent of one another, intelligent as far as experience in laying the framework for our survival, and happy as to stay comforted amongst themselves initially. This would as well give ALOT of teens jobs during the summer which gives their parents the needed break, gives them extra cash, and hell of experience. Also no crime. No time for it but time for everything else.

Then you can migrate all that intelligence, wealth, and security overseas so people can build up their own homes and countries instead of forced migration used by kikes. Kikes would have no control as there would be no monopolies and extreme wealth to the point that their works could be an influence. More people intelligent, aware, working for the whole independently but together.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Personal Growth » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:26 pm

Well it sounds like you're proposing that they will pay a healthy UBI amount. Something a little more than our current unemployment social claim allowance.

The Scottish Government was just recently talking about paying everyone a UBI payment. But I think it's on the back burner for now because where is the money going to come from.

I hate that people on disability benefits can come out with more money than us that work the ten hour days. That injustice needs to be addressed because work must pay.

Apparently Zimbabwe tried to go Socialist where if you worked you'd be supplied a standard car etc. But everyone was getting UBI and it wasn't fair on those that worked. So I've been told by a Zimbabwean colleague.

And that Zimbabwe's socialism failed.

They're revamping the benefits system in the UK to Universal Credit.

An umbrella all previous benefits will be paid out under.

I suppose UBI will be coming and will be necessary as the job market is contracted with technology.

I've noticed there used to be great big heavy industry. Then there was light industries. Now there's not even much light industry.

Hope UBI can be a success and most importantly fair

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Thunder » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:33 pm

I'd like to start by saying that I'm not emotionally tied to what I'm going to talk about so I'm discussing of a solution not of a personal ideal. The ideal is improving things in a better and fairer way for everyone, but in a just manner at the same time.

Wouldn't it be better to just reduce the numerous obstacles that make life hard for the average citizen? Like, free health care and such, like here in Italy. A better social system who is focused on the citizen, guaranteeing basic human rights better.
I don't know how the welfare state is in America, but you have to be rich or wealthy to live well (I remember something about the health care, if you haven't got an insurance you are fucked, then it's difficult to deal with insurances and so on... the system in general is feral). It looks like the USA is still liberist and libearist at its core. Where you are either strong or weak, and you either win or succumb. A very hierarchic country in a militar way. So I understand that, Mageson.

In my opinion, the Italian Constitution is a masterpiece and expresses it very well: removing obstacles that prevent the individual from having a fulfilling life (that is the ideal expressed by it... we all know how reality really is). Not giving the individual free power from nowhere. If you give money, meaning expansion power, you are just amplifying the already existing problems. I'm not saying it's negative (since I'm considering it as a tool and for how useful it is or not -please everybody let's not be idealistic and fight each other over it lol) but it would be completely negative for this time and age. A digression in all the details would be useless, and HoodedCobra explained the concept well.
Anyway, our Constitution (of which I hate the communist structure btw) expresses the concept of the Homo Faber -opposed to the Animals Laborans, the goy slave of the middle-age, literally-, the individual who is free thanks to his work, his efforts (while the state works to remove the obstacles which unjustly prevent the individuals to get better or live well, giving everyone the same opportunities on the starting point).

It's not the senseless jewish equality of today. Its core essence is not communism, is (and it has been intended as) the balance between the liberalism of the 1800 and the rigid statalism of Fascism.

With this measure (UBI), you would only increase the social weight of the mass of goyim. It wouldn't be a freeing tool, you wouldn't empower anyone but amplify the current situation. It would be better to use those money in taxes to give better social services.
I'm tempted to say that you are writing this in order to see how able we are to recognise communism lol jk.

Oh and btw guys, let's not bring Italy in the discussion as a support to your opinions.
I explain: this UBI thing has been proposed by the fake ass communist movements of retards: the 5 star movement (they are the worst administrators so far lol, they come to power and they ruin everything they touch). It has been created as a fake option because Berlusconi's liberal right (meaning its political party to protect his businesses with the protection of his jew masters) and the left (same as the right lol) were losing power and credibility. So what happens? Tadaa new fake pseudo christard-communist party which uses internet blogs, anti-system, it's alternative/antifa-ish and so on. Where politicians look like they just got out of church, clean, christian look, clean haircut and always smiling, always claiming they are the more honest. The new jacobins church version.
That said, it's in this spirit that they proposed the UBI. Nothing else but a political move, to buy the electorate and to surpass the League.

Btw, social politics work only if the people of a state and its mass mind aren't christian. This is why Italy is corrupted, needless to say. And this is why nordic countries always functioned better.
If the people are christian goyim, they will have the judeo-hierarchic, oppressive, slimy system of corrupt politicians which only deteriorates society and everything else.
People and government are one and will always coincide.
So promoting these kind of measures is not only dangerous but also blind. At least it would be, here in Italy. Better change the title in American Basic Income lol. But I'm not so sure it would work, even in the US. :roll:

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Gerecht Ror » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:48 pm

Our mixed government in Italy is trying to introduce a basic income for non-working people. It is not sufficient to live decently, but many people (including immigrants) want to ask for it and this happens in the less efficient areas where peole are less prone to work.
In my opinion this sounds like a pre-communist tactic as - if introduced - would require money to come from others' jobs anyway.

In the long run this could instill into the mass mind the concept of being sustained by the State. Also I think in decades people would be called to work for the State to simply repay their 'free' income, that they will agree with, as they will be programmed to be State-dependant.

This might be good or wrong depending on who is leading the Government, it can be used both to enslave the mass, or otherwise guide them to work for collective wellbeing.

Considered the average approach in my country, I would actually see the first option getting into reality.
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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:01 pm

UBI would work as stated for everyone not just some.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Thunder » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:13 pm

absolute13 wrote:What if you have a ubi in the US as a standard that keeps people alive and cared for on their own and allow companies to lower wages and make law to use the surplus for the building of society like their neighborhood overall which would grant more construction and building with the environment. Through this phase people would then build along their own homes for the benefit and experience. Then you can lay out more of a socialist standpoint with emphasis of the Nation as a whole within these single but whole communities which then ties everybody Into the activity of their own communities gov. as a whole. Everyone becomes an economist own their own which builds decision making and uplifts the intelligence of the masses with workings and policies now then the future.
White's, Black's, Mongolians, and others building up and developing their own by a natural decree within their own neighborhoods like a lot of people are already in. This keeps everyone Independent of one another, intelligent as far as experience in laying the framework for our survival, and happy as to stay comforted amongst themselves initially. This would as well give ALOT of teens jobs during the summer which gives their parents the needed break, gives them extra cash, and hell of experience. Also no crime. No time for it but time for everything else.

Then you can migrate all that intelligence, wealth, and security overseas so people can build up their own homes and countries instead of forced migration used by kikes. Kikes would have no control as there would be no monopolies and extreme wealth to the point that their works could be an influence. More people intelligent, aware, working for the whole independently but together.


You sound a lot like mageson... :lol:
Maybe there are better ways to subtract the monopoly from the kikes... I'm more prone towards an efficient form of statalism, thus, an international organization of such political entities.
As for the automation argument you previously mentioned. Ok, build me a new kitchen or a car with a 3D printer, with no absolute technical knowledge.
I'm sorry but all of your arguments, from the money-less society, to the "everyone can be everything from an economist to an engineer thanks robots" sound absurd and totally idealistic. It really sounds like trolling. Not because of principles, but because these are the words of someone who is not into reality.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:23 pm

At this point the technology is on the table that could use automated construction. Also your comments are of no value as they don't factor in the big picture of what is actually happening with automation to all remaining sectors of society at this point even Japan is now automating restaurants this is starting to arrive over here.


Your claims this reality is "idealistic" is empty as well. This is what is happening now and has been predicted to be the trend of the near future. You for some reason believe planning for this reality which is wise is somehow trolling. Why did you even bother to contribute this worthless post to this thread with only the intention of insulting myself and other..... Maybe your trolling. Most of your post is just a strawman that has nothing to do with the article why are you just making stuff up in your head and passing it off as something I argued in this thread.....

I think this thread might have to have a gif of one of those signs at the amusement park the "You must be this tall to ride" but it should state "You must not be this ridiculous and uneducated on this subject to post".
Thunder wrote:You sound a lot like mageson... :lol:
Maybe there are better ways to subtract the monopoly from the kikes... I'm more prone towards an efficient form of statalism, thus, an international organization of such political entities.
As for the automation argument you previously mentioned. Ok, build me a new kitchen or a car with a 3D printer, with no absolute technical knowledge.
I'm sorry but all of your arguments, from the money-less society, to the "everyone can be everything from an economist to an engineer thanks robots" sound absurd and totally idealistic. It really sounds like trolling. Not because of principles, but because these are the words of someone who is not into reality.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Hoodedcobra666 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:20 pm

Gerecht Ror wrote:Our mixed government in Italy is trying to introduce a basic income for non-working people. It is not sufficient to live decently, but many people (including immigrants) want to ask for it and this happens in the less efficient areas where peole are less prone to work.
In my opinion this sounds like a pre-communist tactic as - if introduced - would require money to come from others' jobs anyway.

In the long run this could instill into the mass mind the concept of being sustained by the State. Also I think in decades people would be called to work for the State to simply repay their 'free' income, that they will agree with, as they will be programmed to be State-dependant.

This might be good or wrong depending on who is leading the Government, it can be used both to enslave the mass, or otherwise guide them to work for collective wellbeing.

Considered the average approach in my country, I would actually see the first option getting into reality.


To fall into the jar of Communism you need to be told there will be honey in it. Or give honey to the masses like Lenin did with the perfect workers rights he promised to the Russian people.

No nation has fallen into Communism aware of the dangers or by being told directly HOW and on how many corpses the utopia is going to be built.

Eating from the hands of the state as some sort of serf who will be promised to be a serf that doesn't slave is the same thing.

This is just Communism coming from another door. And this situation is brought from Capitalism in the first place. Automation may simply create even more jobs and just nullify only the lowest of occupations. Not absolve humanity completely of all forms of labor. At least not in the next two decades.

Regardless since the Capitalist system is on it's own weeding out the people and the working classes and moves towards its independence this UBI thing is a good tool to move people, while they can still, to make some demands.

The capitalist argument of the so called free market is also void as at this point this market is just kicking people out and replacing them with robots manifesting the detachment of capital from human labor as Rabbi Marx guided the jews to do a century ago.

More radical measures may have to happen so people can exist in the future. If jews do that and they escape just with the implementation of some cheap ass UBI for the displaced masses, this would be perfect to them.

But it appears the asking for some reasonable UBI will just happen with a far larger way of demanding revolts, Nationalism etc, all coming from the RTRs.

As the democrats and the left crypto-communists sink their promises for heavenly honey will just keep increasing for buying desperate votes. So it's better to not leave any arguments for them to make let alone ones who will define the course of the world literally.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Cacique Satanás » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:13 pm

I consider UBI to be great for artists.
People in the actual world hardly have money for getting food and will never think of supporting artists since there is hardly money for the worker people(who get vampirized their work).

All people with UBI will have the choice to support artists since they are going to have enough money to at least support an artist with $10 at least.

UBI will provide of artists of a decent income so the artist can buy the tools and purchase intellectual information and they can improve their art and spend more time on it.
People who love going to the theaters at least will go more often plus contributing to the maintenance of the infraestructure,provide a job to artists(the artist fulfilling his dream) and more jobs in general will be available.

Having an UBI will be great for intelligent engineers to fulfill their dreams of producing something and marketing it.Just imagine a second Tesla having the resources so he uplift humanity to further levels.

People like artists,engineers and others will provide more services to humanity and of better quality.An artist in this actual world have to look for a low wage job so he can keep his craft...it's really hard,people.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby absolute13 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:59 pm

I want to point out that money is made out of thin air. Where the money would come from if not from the central banks today would wipe them out which would be a plus unless the jews throw a pissy fit by not being able to steal more from places like America. The Fed was and still is a large scam on America. The country could easily print out its own money from nothing and just give it to people so we all have the "reason" to work and work together for the benefit of ourselves both constructively and leisurely.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Cowboy123 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:40 am

HP Mageson666 wrote:UBI would work as stated for everyone not just some.

What are your thoughts mandatory paid family/maternity leave?

They've had in California for 10 years or so. It seems fine to me and it isn't expensive on the tax payers but a lot of women in California don't know about it.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Cyn666 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:52 am

Cacique Satanás wrote:I consider UBI to be great for artists.
People in the actual world hardly have money for getting food and will never think of supporting artists since there is hardly money for the worker people(who get vampirized their work).

All people with UBI will have the choice to support artists since they are going to have enough money to at least support an artist with $10 at least.

UBI will provide of artists of a decent income so the artist can buy the tools and purchase intellectual information and they can improve their art and spend more time on it.
People who love going to the theaters at least will go more often plus contributing to the maintenance of the infraestructure,provide a job to artists(the artist fulfilling his dream) and more jobs in general will be available.

Having an UBI will be great for intelligent engineers to fulfill their dreams of producing something and marketing it.Just imagine a second Tesla having the resources so he uplift humanity to further levels.

People like artists,engineers and others will provide more services to humanity and of better quality.An artist in this actual world have to look for a low wage job so he can keep his craft...it's really hard,people.


That is something I think of often as well. Many of my friends are artists and constantly run into blocks in their path because other things in life take priority. For example, one goes to school and works part-time but still struggles to get good quality supplies, or she is too busy with having to balance school and work that she often has to put her art on the back burner. And while I am very fascinated in the arts and would love to procure my own skill, it's not within my budget at the moment to provide the tools necessary.
But, soon enough. Things are changing for the better.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Personal Growth » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:24 am

Remember that in the past there was heavy industry. Great big factories and the mining industry.

Then there was a lot of light industry. Now there's not even much light industry about.

When I look about I see houses and flats all over the place. And they keep building more.

I don't see the businesses.

So Universal Basic Income probably will have to come at some point. That said there is a saying that there's no free lunches in life. So there will be a catch as many have pointed out.

I think they the powers that be after mentioning it. Are revamping the benefits system the now to ease towards UBI.

True the Fed is a scam because it's a private entity. The government could print its own currency without interest.

As someone said UBI could be communism coming in the back door.

I want to quote something someone said, "Our battle in South Africa is not about blacks versus whites, or rich vs poor. The real battle going on is the battle between democracy vs communism. The latter is spreading rapidly across our country. The promise of free stuff is attractive to the young, the uneducated and the lazy."

And who would want to do the so called lower jobs like cleaning toilets and other menial labour jobs for low wages then.

I believe a free independent people are the greatest threat to those orchestrating the world from behind the scenes.

There is still time because not everything has gone to pot just yet.

Elderly people say back in the mining industry days it was so different.

How everyone had a job and people were so much more friendly, happy and relaxed.

The world is constantly going through massive changes.

Like the Internet has revolutionised our lives. People don't communicate, indulge in leisure or buy the way they used to in the past.

Without the hidden jew I'm certain humanity would transition perfectly well.

The way the world is right now UBI would only be leading towards communism.

But in the future without the jews manipulating things UBI could be a great thing.

Everything in its due course

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:41 pm

I noticed a lot of people who call anything they don't like Communism don't actually understand what Communism is. This is the uneducated nonsense the conservative pundits prey on. Healthcare is Communism..... Actually its not its just Healthcare. Communism is a fixed social, political, historical, economic worldview. Its not just a system of economics'.


If everyone from 21 and up was issued to put a number out there 25,000 dollars a year in UBI. This would create a situation in which the Communist ideology would not gain ground. I could list a long page of reasons why but someone who actual understands the bigger picture will already know why. However the small minds and reactive types may rattle the cages of their tiny minds all they want.

Also some of you should stop complaining about the Jews because you think like them when it comes to only viewing the point of life as ones value to the shekel grubbing as the highest value. And within that some of you have failed to understand what money and economy actually is. So you should think about that.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby luis » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:56 pm

Let's all trust the Final Rtr and see what happens, even if we didn't fully win i can see that we are slowly destroying everything jewish and everything they try to pull off. I'm sure that everything will be better (even economicaly) if we keep doing the Final Rtr. So do more of it :geek:

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Reckoned666 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:10 pm

It's because the world is unhealthily obsessed with left part of the brain per se, so all the right brain part activities are undervalued by a huge margin. And the ones who are gifted in arts, music, sculpting whatever have a steep road ahead of the simply because of how the world works right now. Arts gives value to the soul, could perceive higher meaning and so on, but what about muh shekels?

Mostly it's just used for money washing at this point. Some non-sense modern paintings who were done by some druggie who took DMT and pulled off the picture out of his ass which has no meaning whatsoever. And the artists who work day and night don't even get recognized.

Note how much engineers, mechanics, mathematics make compared to standard artists. Artists get the MA or MFA and end up jobless. And engineers get BS and end up having stable, high income jobs. Also this starts from primary school, every cares about your physics or mathematics grade meanwhile nobody really bats an eye if you can paint better than most of the kids. Right now this is deeply rooted in subconscious that it's going to take time for the balance to rise. Although i'm really excited to see what will be by 2030 or 2025, but first there are a lot of pivot points which will have to take place, for example rapefugees crisis, if it won't be averted then the Europe will get cucked to destruction, Sweden will turn into a 3rd world country and Germany will reach an all time low, becoming a 2nd Turkey. However this is another sensitive topic.



Cyn666 wrote:
Cacique Satanás wrote:I consider UBI to be great for artists.
People in the actual world hardly have money for getting food and will never think of supporting artists since there is hardly money for the worker people(who get vampirized their work).

All people with UBI will have the choice to support artists since they are going to have enough money to at least support an artist with $10 at least.

UBI will provide of artists of a decent income so the artist can buy the tools and purchase intellectual information and they can improve their art and spend more time on it.
People who love going to the theaters at least will go more often plus contributing to the maintenance of the infraestructure,provide a job to artists(the artist fulfilling his dream) and more jobs in general will be available.

Having an UBI will be great for intelligent engineers to fulfill their dreams of producing something and marketing it.Just imagine a second Tesla having the resources so he uplift humanity to further levels.

People like artists,engineers and others will provide more services to humanity and of better quality.An artist in this actual world have to look for a low wage job so he can keep his craft...it's really hard,people.


That is something I think of often as well. Many of my friends are artists and constantly run into blocks in their path because other things in life take priority. For example, one goes to school and works part-time but still struggles to get good quality supplies, or she is too busy with having to balance school and work that she often has to put her art on the back burner. And while I am very fascinated in the arts and would love to procure my own skill, it's not within my budget at the moment to provide the tools necessary.
But, soon enough. Things are changing for the better.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby StraitShot47 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:05 pm

HP Mageson666 wrote:I noticed a lot of people who call anything they don't like Communism don't actually understand what Communism is. This is the uneducated nonsense the conservative pundits prey on. Healthcare is Communism..... Actually its not its just Healthcare. Communism is a fixed social, political, historical, economic worldview. Its not just a system of economics'.


If everyone from 21 and up was issued to put a number out there 25,000 dollars a year in UBI. This would create a situation in which the Communist ideology would not gain ground. I could list a long page of reasons why but someone who actual understands the bigger picture will already know why. However the small minds and reactive types may rattle the cages of their tiny minds all they want.

Also some of you should stop complaining about the Jews because you think like them when it comes to only viewing the point of life as ones value to the shekel grubbing as the highest value. And within that some of you have failed to understand what money and economy actually is. So you should think about that.


One thing that woke me to the communist jewish intention, was that they were revolutionaries until it came to the monetary system. The monetary system was like a god to them or something... untouchable....

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Hoodedcobra666 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:43 pm

StraitShot47 wrote:
HP Mageson666 wrote:I noticed a lot of people who call anything they don't like Communism don't actually understand what Communism is. This is the uneducated nonsense the conservative pundits prey on. Healthcare is Communism..... Actually its not its just Healthcare. Communism is a fixed social, political, historical, economic worldview. Its not just a system of economics'.


If everyone from 21 and up was issued to put a number out there 25,000 dollars a year in UBI. This would create a situation in which the Communist ideology would not gain ground. I could list a long page of reasons why but someone who actual understands the bigger picture will already know why. However the small minds and reactive types may rattle the cages of their tiny minds all they want.

Also some of you should stop complaining about the Jews because you think like them when it comes to only viewing the point of life as ones value to the shekel grubbing as the highest value. And within that some of you have failed to understand what money and economy actually is. So you should think about that.


One thing that woke me to the communist jewish intention, was that they were revolutionaries until it came to the monetary system. The monetary system was like a god to them or something... untouchable....


In Communist countries you do not have any 'monetary' system since money is an unimportant or a non existent medium. You just have a central hand distributing the stolen goods off of abused workers as they see fit, workers who are locked in factories and work camps and get nothing in return.

I know people from the Soviet Union and they have told me everything in detail. If you wanted to buy a couch you had to go to the state agency, request the couch, fill forms that you are a good citizen and the rest of the things, then, they would cross this over with your work hours and give you the couch.

Or not give you the couch and ask you to work more for it based on whatever standards were open at the time. Everyone had to have the same furniture (if any) and all the things were produced centrally in the state, which distributed these to the slaves based on standards that the serfs didn't even know.

The sole difference here was that instead of serf robots you just have serf humans making these things. And the almighty hand of the centralized state just gave them to those in request. If and when it wanted.

One can idolize all this crap and say "If it were like that it would be good", that's what every Communist does also. "Its not real Communism". "Its not real Socialism".

It's never real and none of these questions or political BS and financial BS debates matter as simply the sole question is not that of policies it's far simpler, are kikes in power, or gentiles?

Things like UBI in the vague approach and braindead idea cooking that is endlessly done by the left and the right like Nixon just shows it's all irrelevant to the tools but who is the one using these tools.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Hoodedcobra666 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Sinistra wrote:What hasn't been addressed in any way and yet is a central question is why should we support an UBI idea and not conditional social welfare in the current jewtrix situation. A conditional social welfare system has its own problems some totally overlapping with UBI but it would be more flexible as a social-economic tool. One you give an UBI how are you gonna remove it or create much needed discriminations ? With conditional social welfare you can reform it much more easily.
It already exists in various forms in European countries as well.


I replied to your questions on the other threat but the issue is you constantly just focus on the negative side of the whole subject. Which I too focused but there is a positive side to it. As these tools are all idle and neutral in their real fashion.

The UBI until well into automation will just be a wet dream. Nobody will sit down, and be a working and productive person, and accept to be ripped off for hefty amounts to just feed populations hijacked up to 20% with lazy migrants. This is the only way the UBI can happen before automation, some people will have to be stripped of money somehow, or new money has to be generated by thin air. If new money is cut then the working class will have to suffer the deficits and the working hours. Nothing is for free at this point in the world.

Before automation this is just a self collapsing argument. But it's not meant for this state it's just discussed for later when automation will start kicking in.

Many people believe too much in automation too, it doesn't seem to be happening that fast. The silicon valley nerds are just fapping for the day they can control all the serfs with one AI, but the actual reality is that things are progressing slower than expected in that department. It's all coming, but gradually.

Also the fact is very simple the jews like JP Morgan are cutting money out of thin air, and when it comes to cutting billions and billions to feed Israel yearly, the US which is a self-money-cutting country could use the same money and none of it's citizens would be in poverty level. And yes it has the power to feed all those in need and very easily, other than only the non-white people.

The thing is one can get sick, then their job can kick them out, and then they die helpless, this is the situation in the US for White workers. The US will be the of the first countries in automation and also in wealth development from prior years enough to support this. So for other countries for a while it's just pipedreams under the current system.

The reality is that mostly Whites suffer from this as Whites are the WORKING CLASS which is under the big danger, not the other guys who feed on us from welfare now. The welfare guys and migrant welfare leeches are safeguarded based on the suffering and lack of help provided to Whites. It's the working class aka Whites in White nations that suffers from this without any actual provision.

The UBI is just a very generic, vague, and new tool. It's a tool prostituted by the left and by the right for sometimes now. All that matters is who will happen to be in power to utilize these types of things.

With kikes you can have the most 'functional' and 'realistic' plans and they will go to shit. The same thing goes for the 'lofty idealistic ideas'. The kikes have a well laid Communist plan for the UBI. They also have a softcore Communist plan which is like Capitalistic on the shell. And then the UBI just hovers as a tool to be turned into whatever.

Just remove kikes and then things will fall in place, Gentiles are not in generally as trashy, as useless, and as evil as the jews. Nobody wants willingly to fuck up the world so after the jews are gone things will be fine regardless.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Aconite » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:06 pm

In the US, Andrew Yang is running for president for 2020. He wants to start a universal basic income of $1000.00 per month for everyone between the ages of 18 and 64, working or not. He also wants a universal health care system that is different from Obama-care. He has also talked about how job automation is coming. What do you think of him?

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:20 pm

Funny how UBI was not in the Communist Manifesto. In fact the Communist Manifesto stated its goal was to create a workers state in which industry and property would be owned in common and money would be abolished and they wished to create a type of material economic system based on goods and services which each according to their own need at the time and Marx just seems to have stole that off other thinkers at the time including from the previous time like Plato. What the Communists actually did was simply nationalize the industry and create a collective agriculture and left it at that stage. They still didn't have UBI then either you were simply assigned to a job and you got paid they didn't abolish money so you ended up with a pointless make busy work economy with all kinds of pointless jobs just to employ the population with something. A Communist society would avoid automation as it would overturn the human labour ethos its built on. The Communist system had to employ everyone as part of its system. Walmart for life.

Before any one wants to derail this thread further actually take time to study Communism first. No actual Communist would want UBI or welfare or automation. As the point of Communism is the labour state. That is why Communism is outdated as an ideology anyway if people want to take it seriously. Its from the social psychology of the industrial world of the 19th century. We are now entering the Technological revolution and are post industrial.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Hoodedcobra666 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:47 am

Aconite wrote:In the US, Andrew Yang is running for president for 2020. He wants to start a universal basic income of $1000.00 per month for everyone between the ages of 18 and 64, working or not. He also wants a universal health care system that is different from Obama-care. He has also talked about how job automation is coming. What do you think of him?


You are coming into a forum that understands RACE and wants to restore racial order on the world, and asking what an Asian man is trying to do by buying cheap votes based on policies like the "UBI" in the US?

This just goes to show this UBI theme is something so fluid of a tool and so generic. You can have zero ideology and just throw some UBI and Free Healthcare around, and try to go for elections.

You can just run with a system of finances, because all sorts of ideologies are now giving in to the stranglehold of the financial reality. Other than that zero ideology is needed, and zero idealism is required. Just a financial policy of promised free gurbs. Because the culture is just simply materialism.

The UBI thing is a matter that everyone is going to pick to mobilize the goy into thinking that everything in this world will be for free. Just spreading state reserves or printed money in their pockets as experimental socialist policy, in the best situation. At the worst just ransacking the already working people. As for the automation argument...Are we in the automation era in full yet...Well no.

This is why Switzerland just knocked it off by a 77% vote of a No in 2016 about the UBI theme. Because the Swiss people aren't naive enough to think that by giving grants to everyone the money will simply come out of nowhere. It will come from state reserves, which people have already filled with their pain and tears taxes.

If you sit your ass and give nothing back to civilization, in the slightest, you shouldn't be receiving anything either. Especially in places like in Switzerland where you can take a most basic job and survive in a supremely decent environment. And there aren't robots in Switzerland yet so trying to slyly impose this measure before it's time is just absurd. And it's only going to drain worker's money and state reserves.

Actually Soros is trying to rush this project through his economist block in Europe in order to collapse the european economies. Same as he is pushing migrants in. And since it's too early many people are backfiring from it, since it's implausible to manifest right now.

The first serious matter I have read in years of following the UBI since 2016 was aspects advocated in that post here and nothing else.

Otherwise it was always Communists trying to get by with the times wearing the Socialist mask as per usual. And trying to deal with the breaking of consciousness since their ideals are permanently collapsing in what they call the "Last stage of Capitalism". This is why many people simply get alarmed when they see these things and nobody should turn this down. The subject is highly contaminated.

This subject is also 10 or 15 or even 20 years earlier than it's time. So it's nothing mysterious to open a subject which is mostly jewish dialectic in the present, cannot be put on proper framework, has quite some failures until this time even when used locally, and is too far in the future. You cannot hope to not have any controversy or people raising eyebrows coming out of it.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:38 am

For UBI to work its going to have be much higher for people but that is still a start. America needs a working healthcare system as the Obama care is a corporate tax scam. If the government could simply break up the monopoly on the medical corporate world and release held back technology and medicine the cost of working healthcare would come down drastically. It would be good if Yang could put this out there in the National Consciousness with his campaign. I don't believe anyone who is not in the two partay system has a chance of winning but he is probably worth voting for none the less. Instead of spending hundreds of millions of dollars saturation bombing Syria once a year it would be nice if that money went back to American's. In fact if America spent the close to the one hundred billion dollars it gives to Israel each year alone not just to mention how much on missiles to bomb innocent Arabs for Israel UBI would be affordable for American citizens. The amount of money America spent on funding Islamic terrorist armies to fight Syria for Israel alone would cover most of everything. The money is more then there but its flowing outwards hundreds of billions into bribe money for other nations beside Israel, the military industrial complex, corporate monopolies, lobby groups, trillions of dollars spent to war in Iraq and the never ending military presence in Afghanistan to maintain an attack base on the Iranian boarder for Israel. But UBI is the problem.......

People should consider voting for Yang even if its a so called throw away vote. If Yang gets enough votes it would force the political class to pay attention to those issues and maybe embrace them. People are dying from not being able to afford Healthcare in America.

Aconite wrote:In the US, Andrew Yang is running for president for 2020. He wants to start a universal basic income of $1000.00 per month for everyone between the ages of 18 and 64, working or not. He also wants a universal health care system that is different from Obama-care. He has also talked about how job automation is coming. What do you think of him?

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Dahaarkan » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:00 pm

I think UBI would totally work the issue is you need to have a nationalist, racially aware government behind it and have your borders closed. Or you just have hundreds of thousands of parasites coming into your nation to leech off it. Imo an ideal UBI should be calculated in a way so it would cover only what people require to live, not to waste a nation's wealth to give people access to luxurious things for free. You're not gonna be buying a sports car with UBI you're gonna be given what you need to have a place to sleep and food to eat. You'll still have to work for your things it's just that you don't have to work in inhumane conditions just to stay alive.

There's many things that should never really be automated and I'm sure there's always going to be jobs and other things people can do to get paid and have material success. You won't have such a massive amount of people desperately looking for a job and I'm confident those who want to work will find work. Plus most people won't want to be working an entire day I imagine most people will work ~4 hours a day or less so you can have loads of flexibility with schedules so everyone can work if they want to.

I imagine jobs around entertainment, education and tourism will be the big ones. And of course people should still be able to have their own businesses supported and regulated by the government.

We all know a lot of people will just buy a computer and waste their lives in front of a screen. Hey being free means having the freedom to destroy yourself so if that's their choice I personally don't give a shit. I also agree with mageson's point the absurd amounts of money spent on stupid bullshit could probably kickstart a healthy UBI system. UBI should be just that: basic, for basic needs. People still need to have incentives to work and contribute to their nation's growth or you'll have entire generations of useless lazy people in the future. And if you start trying to cover people's desires instead of just their needs this might become too costly for the nation.


I don't think the idea is that far fetched they could start something like this tomorrow with small amounts being given to everybody as a start, this would also help many people anyway. And increase this value as time goes on to see how the economy reacts to it. Make changes and invest in the right places and fix certain problems as they appear and I don't see why this wouldn't be possible in our time. I think if this is done slowly it can work.

Sure, if you simply yolo it and implement UBI that covers everyone's basic needs overnight you're going to destroy the economy no shit the economy is built on people being worked like slaves. This won't change in a day. But we can start taking steps towards that I think. And maybe things will slowly change to fit with a UBI.
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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:03 pm

This is the reality of the situation people need help now and UBI will do this. Its strange watching people here put these non practical conditions onto this...…"First we need this movement and then has to happen and then this". 44 percent of homeless people work full time..... The reality is you don't have a Harry Potter wand. The reality is within this climate the political, business class we have and exists the UBI is the tool that bridges the gap. The business class can be given the incentives to return here with the guarantee of no government minimum wage increases or benefit demands and as Trump wants give them lower taxes to get them to return. This can help reverse globalization of the economy to a great degree and can be an agreement to limit automation as it keeps production costs low and maintains enough paid people to have people with money to buy your products. This can be done with UBI to pick up the slack you get your UBI and you get what you make for working. Its a incentive to get people to work as they can earn more and they can have a place to work at this helps to eliminate poverty and close the growing gap between the classes. Now they have extra money to then spend back into the economy and get the wheel of production and consumption moving again with the extra cash. This also allows for a greater market for people who want to create small business as the demand is there as everyone is not holding on to their last dollar for dear life. This will save and expand the middle class and ensure the existence of the working class. And this will increase the long term profits of the big business as they have a lasting market to sell to. It will also help to get people out of debt not to mention the massive student debts, people don't spend when in debt that much. Everyone wins. That works.

Guess whatz…… You can even do this with the current private banking system the debt and interest debt is fucking fake its numbers and paper you can keep driving it up forever they already have been. Just keep the payments low as fuck.

As for the claims of migrants the illegals guess what they already get major gibs to be here. That is not a reason to not rebuild the economy with a practical solution and help the citizens.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Reckoned666 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:16 pm

I'm quite worried about Sweden and Germany as of right now. The mudslimes are overtaking it. If this continues, those countries will become 3rd world countries in no time. The Final RTR is pretty much the only hope as of now.

I just wish that the Netherlands won't ever get policies to let the migrants come. My native country, thankfully, didn't let even a thousand of them in. So that's really good to see.

Regarding UBI, I think even if started from quite low amounts it's going to be beneficial to everyone.



HP Mageson666 wrote:This is the reality of the situation people need help now and UBI will do this. Its strange watching people here put these non practical conditions onto this...…"First we need this movement and then has to happen and then this". 44 percent of homeless people work full time..... The reality is you don't have a Harry Potter wand. The reality is within this climate the political, business class we have and exists the UBI is the tool that bridges the gap. The business class can be given the incentives to return here with the guarantee of no government minimum wage increases or benefit demands and as Trump wants give them lower taxes to get them to return. This can help reverse globalization of the economy to a great degree. This can be done with UBI to pick up the slack you get your UBI and you get what you make for working. Its a incentive to get people to work as they can earn more and they can have a place to work at this helps to eliminate poverty and close the growing gap between the classes. Now they have extra money to then spend back into the economy and get the wheel of production and consumption moving again with the extra cash. This also allows for a greater market for people who want to create small business as the demand is there as everyone is not holding on to their last dollar for dear life. This will save and expand the middle class and ensure the existence of the working class. And this will increase the long term profits of the big business as they have a lasting market to sell to. It will also help to get people out of debt not to mention the massive student debts, people don't spend when in debt that much. Everyone wins. That works.

Guess whatz…… You can even do this with the current private banking system the debt and interest debt is fucking fake its numbers and paper you can keep driving it up forever they already have been. Just keep the payments low as fuck.

As for the claims of migrants the illegals guess what they already get major gibs to be here. That is not a reason to not rebuild the economy with a practical solution and help the citizens.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby Dahaarkan » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:50 pm

HP Mageson666 wrote:As for the claims of migrants the illegals guess what they already get major gibs to be here. That is not a reason to not rebuild the economy with a practical solution and help the citizens.


Yee I didn't mean it as it's an obstacle to this I'm just saying it's wrong and shouldn't be a thing imo. I actually deleted part of my post where I was complaining about non-whites on welfare systems again. Which are basically UBI with a different name if you ask me, you just don't get it if you're white I guess.

I do think UBI would be great my only concern is if this could cause even greater economic problems if the change to this is too abrupt. Though these are thoughts coming from someone in a far less wealthy nation that I don't think has the resources or wealth to fall back on if something went wrong during this change. So I might be a little biased.

I don't think our economy would survive this so abruptly but maybe 'merica can. I really wouldn't know.
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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby HP Mageson666 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:07 pm

An economy is goods and services money is the medium of exchange for such. More money can be a seed to plant into the economy to generate this. When the economy starts to tank the banks just release MORE MONEY into it and it starts to recover quick. They talk a lot of nonsense to hide this fact but its always the go to move.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby ZirGohed999 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:11 pm

I stand with HpMageson.

Whether there will be automaton of the society or not doesn't warranty a pessimistic approach because the humans are insatiable. There will forever be a hunger for consumption, production and advancement because we are not a hive mind.
It's blatantly obvious that production outweights consumption, it's engineered artificial scarcity of diverse means of wealth creation in different strata of society that makes many of our products, services and human resources go to waste.
The average Joe will never run out of talents, curiosity and thirst for knowledge.
I share an optimist approach with mageson to the implementation of UBI because the mass mind of the working class that is the backbone of the economy has an intact culture. This culture is a strong resistance mentality and character to the capitalists. If it were not so, the capitalists would have already won, and communism would be in full force.
Of course, there are lazy humans such as the migrants who want a welfare state that would make this happen overnight. Implementing this universal basic income will give some financial power to the working class that has kept the economy going on in the face of several economic collaspe, organized frauds by the capitalists, poor health, mass indoctrinations and hardship.
Their mass-minded culture of production will more than likely open up new frontiers to bring to reality new ideas for societal advancement.
The white racial construct is that of consistent wealth creation, this is a soul thing. Other part of the world that has succumbed to the Jewish stranglehold either have a consumer culture or at best a maintenance culture, they lack that creative initiative that comes with an innate resistant mentality for self-preservation against tyranny. The white man has this.
The world has not fully succumbed to Jewish ideologies because it's not "black and white", there's always a middle point that creates opportunities for maneuvering circumstances.
The capitalists vs the working class sport field is built with lots of policies, rights, and creative cultures that has prevented full decay. There are still lots of civilised minds with idealistic thought process and resistance characters.

To know one’s place in society is a conditioning that is reinforced
from youth to your deathbed. Silence is the golden rule of the working class in the presence of the privilege classes, unless asked a question and then only a proper response is expected. Do not talk back to your parents, teacher, sky pilot, boss, the cops, the intelligentsia, the doctor, or any of your betters.

Countless times some poor worker stands in silence while others do the speaking and those others believe that they are silent because that worker is stupid rather that the reality of the oppression of class privilege.
Even the left intelligentsia believes this.Class is not just about who controls the economics, but also who controls the cultural images.
The working class will never be able to free itself from bondage as long it depends upon others to speak for it. It can create a system to break into the ruling class.
Isolated and contained, living a pre-fabricated existence, the mind of the worker grows dull when not used. The history of the development of the working class in America clearly shows that it did break down some of the walls created by the capitalist system. Most popular culture has its roots in the working class. They all stemed from the folk culture of racial preservation. This is basis for the Republican system. People subconsciously wants to go back to that ideal that's why this present government has come to stay. The mass mind of the workers are only torn between endless propaganda of hedonism and various mass indoctrinations. Despite this, civilization seems to go on and on. The lazy migrants will need a "galactic miracle" to overthrow the spirit of the white culture overnight.
There's no war coming to the shores of the USA to totally upset it economy.
The UBI is step forward for the average worker, their mass mind will be creatively inspired. More whites will also be born.

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Re: Universal Basic Income

Postby jay » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:34 am

This must be flying over my head.in the current climate I'm just struggling to see how it'd work.

Obviously in an ideal society, meaning nationalist, homogenous population with advanced technology this would be a good thing. not to mention spiritually where people could use that excess time to advance spiritually, but we are far from that. with this current decadent jew culture that exists in the West I see people using that free time for waste, self-ruin, drug usage, getting into trouble,etc. SS are still a very minor part of the population.

where do you think this UBI would come from. Yes it could just be manufactured out of thin air like the jews do with all their other money, but then you get inflation and the same problem. And do we really think the jews and shabbos goy would sacrifice their own fortunes? No it'd likely just come at the expense of the middle class like everything else and further divide the jews from the goyim.

then if you think third world immigration is bad now, i imagine it'd go up tenfold with this being openly broadcasted. suddenly the imimgration policies are going to change?

there are necesary steps that must be undergone before I see it as viable in our Western world. I could see this working well for Japan however.


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