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death penalty?

It is a tough question, and has more depth in it.
For exemple if there is death penalty, the killer migh just kill more people as he knows he will die anyway
And if there is not, a serial killer might walk outside again.
If there is torture, might innocent people die by torture.

So as soon as we not live in a satanic society, there is no good and reliable sentencing.

Personally I do believe in death penalty, and we could level it up, with killing the soul too.
If it was a serial killer in a life it might be for another one.
 
I watched a video about one prison in a Scandinavian country. Individuals there had access to good food, medical care, had their own "cells" (it looked like a regular apartment) and were allowed to go outside. They had such good conditions there that no one wanted to escape from that prison (there was probably only one case).

These people committed terrible crimes and live like kings, while people who are poor and are good have no money to have a decent life.

The death penalty should be given to any person who has committed the worst crimes.
 
ChildrenOfTheGods said:
what do you think about the death penalty? Some crimes cannot be punished with life imprisonment.
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Personally, I think death penalty after a few years in prison is okay, if a chance has to be given, it must be given in the next life.

But then a situation arises, if a soul can commit a hideous crime, what are the chances it won't in the next life? Since the soul may become more dirty/rotten in the Astral, it may commit more numbers of terrible crimes in it's next life.

Maybe fixing the soul in the lifetime of it's criminal activity is important, or else the cycle may continue.

Or maybe in a spiritually active and elevated world, we will be able to track criminal souls, to help them in fixing their issues in their next life.
 
Justice is very weak these days, and crimes are not punished according to their severity at all.

Death penalty should be a given for anyone who commits severe crimes against fellow gentiles and innocents.

Such as murder, rape and pedophilia at the least, and probably also severe assault and attacks on people which could have lead to death if the victim wasn't lucky to escape the worst of it, same for attacks which maim an innocent person for life, either physically or psychologically.

Acts to purposefully do severe harm to someone out of unjustified hatred or other feelings should be punished the same, even if the criminal did not manage to inflict the intended damage.

Such people are simply a root of evil, and are unworthy of partaking in life on our planet.

Rather than only a death penalty, many such people will never reincarnate again as the Gods will not allow such souls to roam freely on the Earth, or they face a life with unspeakably terrible karma if they do reincarnate, and suffer worse than death.

The Gods preside over reincarnation, and can easily exempt souls who have done too terrible of deeds from ever reincarnating again.


Society should not care for those who squander life and the lives of others.

As soon as the crime is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, the people who committed these crimes judged to be worthy of death according to the force of Justice as taught by the Gods (The Gods teach humanity the appropriate judgement on this), they should no longer be treated as humans with rights, but merely as the dross of society to be cleaned up from our midst.

Remove them quickly and efficiently, and call it a day. Let them be forgotten forever and dissipate from the world, regardless of who they are.


Crimes however should be judged on an individual basis. Two murders are often not the same.

For example, a man who murders another man who has raped his wife, should not be treated as a murderer at all.

If only to discourage vigilantism should they receive some minor punishment for taking matters into his own hands rather than leaving it to the law, however even that is questionable.

The man has already received a severe punishment, which is to live with the feeling of anger, grief and worthlessness that he was unable to protect the woman whom he loves from the clutches of a vile abominable creature.

In such a situation, seeking catharsis and justice by your own hand is something every reasonable man on Earth can understand. One should not be punished for this.

In todays unjust world, that man would be treated as a murderer, and given life imprisonment, while the rapist would have gotten away with merely 15-20 years at best, and would have walked free likely to do this again later in his life (after being deprived of sex for 20 years in prison and being severely repressed sexually, probably dreaming of rape every night and reliving the moment of his crime who knows how many times).

There were many other cases I have read about. A young boy who was raped by his neighbor for his whole youth took revenge when he finally found the courage to stand up against his rapist, and brutally murdered him.

He was tried anyways as a minor, and imprisoned for committing a murder, because there was not enough physical evidence to suggest that the neighbor he murdered had raped him, on top of the fact that acts of revenge are not allowed under the law of today and would be treated as a crime no matter the underlying cause which lead to this in the first place.

Things like that are unacceptable and are the result of living in a world with weak justice and non existent spirituality.

In a more developed world, judges could use their astral sight to confirm the crime and see objectively the justification based on observed facts, regardless of how well hidden a crime has been materially.

As such, lacking evidence will never again be a problem in judging criminals, and wrongful sentencing of innocent people also never happens again.

The ancients were able to do this. Unfortunately at this time, the world has regressed too far to be able to do the same, which leads to many problems in administering justice.


Death penalty also can be a strong deterrent for criminals to not want to commit severe crimes, as most of them do not want to die themselves despite squandering the lives of others at their disgusting whims, hypocritical as they are.

If they know they will definitely die after they commit the crime which crosses the line of possible forgiveness, many will reconsider their choices.

The punishment must be swift and merciless, ice cold and without emotion. Don't let them sit in prison and eat up the taxes of society for years, just get rid of them as soon as the crime is proven beyond reasonable doubt. That should be how this works.

Someone who squanders life and the lives of others deserves not to experience life any longer themselves, in any form.

Doing irreversible harm to a person which will stick with the victim for lifetimes can never be forgiven. The damage of such crimes is far more extensive and serious than people acknowledge these days.

Rape for example hurts not only the victim for their whole life, and scars the soul for lifetimes to come if they do not manage to heal themselves properly (which many will not manage in the world of today), it harms the people around the victim as well. Their loved ones will be hot by the cruelty of life, and the helplessness of being unable to protect the one they love, etc.

The effect of one such act ripples far and is far more severe than just the physical harm or even the psychological harm onto a single person.

Basically, a worthless piece of garbage squanders and destroys the the potential of another person incalculably better than themselves to entertain their own worthless desire.

Keeping people like that alive also keeps the seeds of this karma around.

Eliminating them will eventually rid this karma at the source, and eliminate any such crime from society all together.
 
VoiceofEnki said:
Justice is very weak these days, and crimes are not punished according to their severity at all.

Death penalty should be a given for anyone who commits severe crimes against fellow gentiles and innocents.

Such as murder, rape and pedophilia at the least, and probably also severe assault and attacks on people which could have lead to death if the victim wasn't lucky to escape the worst of it, same for attacks which maim an innocent person for life, either physically or psychologically.

Acts to purposefully do severe harm to someone out of unjustified hatred or other feelings should be punished the same, even if the criminal did not manage to inflict the intended damage.

Such people are simply a root of evil, and are unworthy of partaking in life on our planet.

Rather than only a death penalty, many such people will never reincarnate again as the Gods will not allow such souls to roam freely on the Earth, or they face a life with unspeakably terrible karma if they do reincarnate, and suffer worse than death.

The Gods preside over reincarnation, and can easily exempt souls who have done too terrible of deeds from ever reincarnating again.


Society should not care for those who squander life and the lives of others.

As soon as the crime is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, the people who committed these crimes judged to be worthy of death according to the force of Justice as taught by the Gods (The Gods teach humanity the appropriate judgement on this), they should no longer be treated as humans with rights, but merely as the dross of society to be cleaned up from our midst.

Remove them quickly and efficiently, and call it a day. Let them be forgotten forever and dissipate from the world, regardless of who they are.


Crimes however should be judged on an individual basis. Two murders are often not the same.

For example, a man who murders another man who has raped his wife, should not be treated as a murderer at all.

If only to discourage vigilantism should they receive some minor punishment for taking matters into his own hands rather than leaving it to the law, however even that is questionable.

The man has already received a severe punishment, which is to live with the feeling of anger, grief and worthlessness that he was unable to protect the woman whom he loves from the clutches of a vile abominable creature.

In such a situation, seeking catharsis and justice by your own hand is something every reasonable man on Earth can understand. One should not be punished for this.

In todays unjust world, that man would be treated as a murderer, and given life imprisonment, while the rapist would have gotten away with merely 15-20 years at best, and would have walked free likely to do this again later in his life (after being deprived of sex for 20 years in prison and being severely repressed sexually, probably dreaming of rape every night and reliving the moment of his crime who knows how many times).

There were many other cases I have read about. A young boy who was raped by his neighbor for his whole youth took revenge when he finally found the courage to stand up against his rapist, and brutally murdered him.

He was tried anyways as a minor, and imprisoned for committing a murder, because there was not enough physical evidence to suggest that the neighbor he murdered had raped him, on top of the fact that acts of revenge are not allowed under the law of today and would be treated as a crime no matter the underlying cause which lead to this in the first place.

Things like that are unacceptable and are the result of living in a world with weak justice and non existent spirituality.

In a more developed world, judges could use their astral sight to confirm the crime and see objectively the justification based on observed facts, regardless of how well hidden a crime has been materially.

As such, lacking evidence will never again be a problem in judging criminals, and wrongful sentencing of innocent people also never happens again.

The ancients were able to do this. Unfortunately at this time, the world has regressed too far to be able to do the same, which leads to many problems in administering justice.


Death penalty also can be a strong deterrent for criminals to not want to commit severe crimes, as most of them do not want to die themselves despite squandering the lives of others at their disgusting whims, hypocritical as they are.

If they know they will definitely die after they commit the crime which crosses the line of possible forgiveness, many will reconsider their choices.

The punishment must be swift and merciless, ice cold and without emotion. Don't let them sit in prison and eat up the taxes of society for years, just get rid of them as soon as the crime is proven beyond reasonable doubt. That should be how this works.

Someone who squanders life and the lives of others deserves not to experience life any longer themselves, in any form.

Doing irreversible harm to a person which will stick with the victim for lifetimes can never be forgiven. The damage of such crimes is far more extensive and serious than people acknowledge these days.

Rape for example hurts not only the victim for their whole life, and scars the soul for lifetimes to come if they do not manage to heal themselves properly (which many will not manage in the world of today), it harms the people around the victim as well. Their loved ones will be hot by the cruelty of life, and the helplessness of being unable to protect the one they love, etc.

The effect of one such act ripples far and is far more severe than just the physical harm or even the psychological harm onto a single person.

Basically, a worthless piece of garbage squanders and destroys the the potential of another person incalculably better than themselves to entertain their own worthless desire.

Keeping people like that alive also keeps the seeds of this karma around.

Eliminating them will eventually rid this karma at the source, and eliminate any such crime from society all together.
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I think you'd make a good prosecutor in a satanic state :)
 
MiniMe3388 said:
I watched a video about one prison in a Scandinavian country. Individuals there had access to good food, medical care, had their own "cells" (it looked like a regular apartment) and were allowed to go outside. They had such good conditions there that no one wanted to escape from that prison (there was probably only one case).

These people committed terrible crimes and live like kings, while people who are poor and are good have no money to have a decent life.

The death penalty should be given to any person who has committed the worst crimes.
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This is not entirely true. Scandinavian prisons punish criminals through social isolation, and other psychological means.

Their system is extremely effective, compare their reoffending rate to that of the United States where prisoners are treated far worse.

Prison systems need to focus on rehabilitation, not punishment.
 
bsod said:
MiniMe3388 said:
I watched a video about one prison in a Scandinavian country. Individuals there had access to good food, medical care, had their own "cells" (it looked like a regular apartment) and were allowed to go outside. They had such good conditions there that no one wanted to escape from that prison (there was probably only one case).

These people committed terrible crimes and live like kings, while people who are poor and are good have no money to have a decent life.

The death penalty should be given to any person who has committed the worst crimes.
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This is not entirely true. Scandinavian prisons punish criminals through social isolation, and other psychological means.

Their system is extremely effective, compare their reoffending rate to that of the United States where prisoners are treated far worse.

Prison systems need to focus on rehabilitation, not punishment.
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I described one case of prison.
I didn't write anything about the rest.
 
MiniMe3388 said:
I described one case of prison.
I didn't write anything about the rest.
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All Scandinavian prisons are like that regardless of how much of a "hotel" they seem to be. They all use the same principle of punishment.
 
bsod said:
MiniMe3388 said:
I described one case of prison.
I didn't write anything about the rest.
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All Scandinavian prisons are like that regardless of how much of a "hotel" they seem to be. They all use the same principle of punishment.
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Not true. There are closed and open prisons. In closed prisons it's the same as in the States, for example. There is a schedule and prisoners have no option but to adhere to it. In open prisons it is possible to easily run out, but that is to the detriment of the prisoner because then one gets put into a closed prison instead. Also, there are restrictions on what devices and activities prisoner is allowed. While it is true that conditions in these prisons are rather comfortable (compared to third world prisons) they are still prisons with restrictions to freedoms and so on.
 
Varg was given internet access, a guitar, and the ability to record and publish music while he was in Norwegian prison. This is where the Filosofem cd was recorded. Plus large libraries of historical information to read. Doesn't sound bad at all.
 
Ol argedco luciftias said:
Varg was given internet access, a guitar, and the ability to record and publish music while he was in Norwegian prison. This is where the Filosofem cd was recorded. Plus large libraries of historical information to read. Doesn't sound bad at all.
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It's definitely an awesome place to be, for the right person.
But in general their judicial doctrine is to rehabilitate, not punish. So I wouldn't be surprised if some prisoners feel happy. As much as we'd love to see criminals and human scum rot behind bars, unfortunately this system doesn't do much to stop them from reoffending, even if it satisfies our innate human desire for revenge.

Now there is indeed a class of criminals which cannot be helped. I agree we should just kill them and not spend billions of dollars trying to rehabilitate that (as these systems often cost), those resources are better spent elsewhere. But in general the system of the US is a failure.
 
VoiceofEnki said:
Justice is very weak these days, and crimes are not punished according to their severity at all.

Death penalty should be a given for anyone who commits severe crimes against fellow gentiles and innocents.

Such as murder, rape and pedophilia at the least, and probably also severe assault and attacks on people which could have lead to death if the victim wasn't lucky to escape the worst of it, same for attacks which maim an innocent person for life, either physically or psychologically.

Acts to purposefully do severe harm to someone out of unjustified hatred or other feelings should be punished the same, even if the criminal did not manage to inflict the intended damage.

Such people are simply a root of evil, and are unworthy of partaking in life on our planet.

Rather than only a death penalty, many such people will never reincarnate again as the Gods will not allow such souls to roam freely on the Earth, or they face a life with unspeakably terrible karma if they do reincarnate, and suffer worse than death.

The Gods preside over reincarnation, and can easily exempt souls who have done too terrible of deeds from ever reincarnating again.


Society should not care for those who squander life and the lives of others.

As soon as the crime is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, the people who committed these crimes judged to be worthy of death according to the force of Justice as taught by the Gods (The Gods teach humanity the appropriate judgement on this), they should no longer be treated as humans with rights, but merely as the dross of society to be cleaned up from our midst.

Remove them quickly and efficiently, and call it a day. Let them be forgotten forever and dissipate from the world, regardless of who they are.


Crimes however should be judged on an individual basis. Two murders are often not the same.

For example, a man who murders another man who has raped his wife, should not be treated as a murderer at all.

If only to discourage vigilantism should they receive some minor punishment for taking matters into his own hands rather than leaving it to the law, however even that is questionable.

The man has already received a severe punishment, which is to live with the feeling of anger, grief and worthlessness that he was unable to protect the woman whom he loves from the clutches of a vile abominable creature.

In such a situation, seeking catharsis and justice by your own hand is something every reasonable man on Earth can understand. One should not be punished for this.

In todays unjust world, that man would be treated as a murderer, and given life imprisonment, while the rapist would have gotten away with merely 15-20 years at best, and would have walked free likely to do this again later in his life (after being deprived of sex for 20 years in prison and being severely repressed sexually, probably dreaming of rape every night and reliving the moment of his crime who knows how many times).

There were many other cases I have read about. A young boy who was raped by his neighbor for his whole youth took revenge when he finally found the courage to stand up against his rapist, and brutally murdered him.

He was tried anyways as a minor, and imprisoned for committing a murder, because there was not enough physical evidence to suggest that the neighbor he murdered had raped him, on top of the fact that acts of revenge are not allowed under the law of today and would be treated as a crime no matter the underlying cause which lead to this in the first place.

Things like that are unacceptable and are the result of living in a world with weak justice and non existent spirituality.

In a more developed world, judges could use their astral sight to confirm the crime and see objectively the justification based on observed facts, regardless of how well hidden a crime has been materially.

As such, lacking evidence will never again be a problem in judging criminals, and wrongful sentencing of innocent people also never happens again.

The ancients were able to do this. Unfortunately at this time, the world has regressed too far to be able to do the same, which leads to many problems in administering justice.


Death penalty also can be a strong deterrent for criminals to not want to commit severe crimes, as most of them do not want to die themselves despite squandering the lives of others at their disgusting whims, hypocritical as they are.

If they know they will definitely die after they commit the crime which crosses the line of possible forgiveness, many will reconsider their choices.

The punishment must be swift and merciless, ice cold and without emotion. Don't let them sit in prison and eat up the taxes of society for years, just get rid of them as soon as the crime is proven beyond reasonable doubt. That should be how this works.

Someone who squanders life and the lives of others deserves not to experience life any longer themselves, in any form.

Doing irreversible harm to a person which will stick with the victim for lifetimes can never be forgiven. The damage of such crimes is far more extensive and serious than people acknowledge these days.

Rape for example hurts not only the victim for their whole life, and scars the soul for lifetimes to come if they do not manage to heal themselves properly (which many will not manage in the world of today), it harms the people around the victim as well. Their loved ones will be hot by the cruelty of life, and the helplessness of being unable to protect the one they love, etc.

The effect of one such act ripples far and is far more severe than just the physical harm or even the psychological harm onto a single person.

Basically, a worthless piece of garbage squanders and destroys the the potential of another person incalculably better than themselves to entertain their own worthless desire.

Keeping people like that alive also keeps the seeds of this karma around.

Eliminating them will eventually rid this karma at the source, and eliminate any such crime from society all together.
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This clears a lot of things, thank you for this detailed post :)
 
bsod said:
But in general their judicial doctrine is to rehabilitate, not punish.
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What causes people to commit heinous crimes is spiritual rot more than anything and "rehabilitation" fails because you are taking a rotten person and locking them together with hundreds of other rotten people and the result is the opposite of rehabilitation.

People go to jail and by the time they get out they are even worse than when they went in. What helps here is spiritual programs that can help these people to heal themselves and become a better self than they were.


This is the real issue which is modern justice systems don't really punish criminals, but they don't really rehabilitate them either, essentially this accomplishes nothing. An already rotten soul rots further and then is either released to commit worse crimes after a sentence, or spends the rest of their days rotting in an environment full of psychopaths and then reincarnates to spread that rot in the world again.

So the only real solution is to reform the justice systems to take in to account the real root of the issue which is how to deal with rotten souls either by healing or purging. Because what is in place now does not solve anything, even if you lock someone up for life you are only sending the problem to another time in the future when they reincarnate.

Rot can be observed from early stages of one's life such as when children display overly cruel, sadistic and unnatural behaviors even when their environment does not condition such things. This is why introducing spiritual knowledge back into society will prevent many problematic instances, as the spiritual rot that is the reason people commit horrific crimes will be addressed and healed from a young age, and never bloom into tragedies and crimes.
 
Dahaarkan said:
bsod said:
But in general their judicial doctrine is to rehabilitate, not punish.
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What causes people to commit heinous crimes is spiritual rot more than anything and "rehabilitation" fails because you are taking a rotten person and locking them together with hundreds of other rotten people and the result is the opposite of rehabilitation.

People go to jail and by the time they get out they are even worse than when they went in. What helps here is spiritual programs that can help these people to heal themselves and become a better self than they were.


This is the real issue which is modern justice systems don't really punish criminals, but they don't really rehabilitate them either, essentially this accomplishes nothing. An already rotten soul rots further and then is either released to commit worse crimes after a sentence, or spends the rest of their days rotting in an environment full of psychopaths and then reincarnates to spread that rot in the world again.

So the only real solution is to reform the justice systems to take in to account the real root of the issue which is how to deal with rotten souls either by healing or purging. Because what is in place now does not solve anything, even if you lock someone up for life you are only sending the problem to another time in the future when they reincarnate.

Rot can be observed from early stages of one's life such as when children display overly cruel, sadistic and unnatural behaviors even when their environment does not condition such things. This is why introducing spiritual knowledge back into society will prevent many problematic instances, as the spiritual rot that is the reason people commit horrific crimes will be addressed and healed from a young age, and never bloom into tragedies and crimes.
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I remember reading of swami or yogi who would teach yoga in prisons, and the "tough" inmates there all started crying in mass.
 
Hmm.. let me think about this.

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Yes.
 
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Pumpkin671 said:
I am against it but my mind could be changed.
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You should consider placing yourself in the shoes of the victims because it's easy to cast judgement and make decisions from an outsider position.

Prison and rehabilitation is paid for with tax money and considering this from the point of view of a victim, would you really be okay with being viciously victimized and then knowing that you are paying taxes for the upkeep and continued existence of someone who victimized you.


Imagine someone rapes or murders a close family member, and then you live the rest of your life knowing that your hard earned money goes into taxes which is then spent keeping that person alive, fed and healthy. Rehabilitation is a lie because the source of the problem is spiritual and prisons do not address any spiritual pollution, in fact all they do is make it worse.
 
Dahaarkan said:
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And at the same time death as a sentence can result more extreme crime because in a deranged mind "yolo". So, while it provides a 'good solution' it does also exacerbate crime as well.

But in far future the above is less of an issue once we have collectively raised to higher levels.
 
ChildrenOfTheGods said:
what do you think about the death penalty? Some crimes cannot be punished with life imprisonment.
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I believe for rape and paedophilia and murder it should exist.
But if we are talking about Satanic laws I dont know
 
Death penalty and life in prison are both useful punishments. The problem is with life in prison, the criminal gets used to living this way and it doesn't feel like a punishment anymore.
 
The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.
 
Ol argedco luciftias said:
Lethal injection is a very painful way to die. But the first drug they give paralyzes the body so you can't see the body reacting to this pain.
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I suppose then it's the quiet suffering compared to the chair. The fuckers would deserve it.
 
Shadowcat said:
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Arm all responsible citizens, all of the regular good people. Any criminal tries to rob, assault, rape, injure, threaten, or burglarize you or your property, defend yourself permanently. Protect yourself and your family by removing this criminal from existance. Which also protects all of the people in the future who the criminal would have harmed.

The endless increasing criminality that democrats facilitate in the areas they control has been an enormous influence to awakening everybody to the importance of being able to protect yourself. During the year of democrat rioting and violence, more women and non-white people bought a gun for the first time than ever before. Democrat voters all buying guns to protect their families.

Now we have Constitutional Permitless Carry in 27 states, and NFA restrictions are being dissolved. The Supreme Court is working on allowing sound supressors and also probably short barreled rifles, but the cases have to continue in their district to the conclusion of all lower levels then Supreme Court can make the final judgement. The cases in NY and CA relating to how they ristrict issuing carry permits to most people will result in a supreme court decision upholding something much closer to Constitutional Carry. The cases in CA and Chicago are going to result in removing restrictions against magazine capacity and specific features commonly found on rifles, like pistol grip, threaded barrel, muzzle brakes, flash hiders, and other things. There is a case in Chicago now that will result in removal of restrictions against sound supressors, which already are currently allowed in Texas and soon in more places.

The reason I say all of these things will be allowed is because there has been clarification by the supreme court in recent decisions which directs the way that all of these laws must be interpreted. They are not allowed to interpret these laws anymore in a way that will allow them to ban anything just because they want to. And they have to allow anything that is in common usage. Standard capacity magazines are not allowed to be banned because they are common usage. And all of the common standard features banned in places like CA, NY, NJ, MA, and other places, these have to be allowed because they are in common usage.
 
Ol argedco luciftias said:
Lethal injection is a very painful way to die. But the first drug they give paralyzes the body so you can't see the body reacting to this pain.
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I just looked this up. Seems your'e right, and did not realize this until now. Everyday I learn something new from here.
 
Ol argedco luciftias said:
Shadowcat said:
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Arm all responsible citizens, all of the regular good people. Any criminal tries to rob, assault, rape, injure, threaten, or burglarize you or your property, defend yourself permanently. Protect yourself and your family by removing this criminal from existance. Which also protects all of the people in the future who the criminal would have harmed.

The endless increasing criminality that democrats facilitate in the areas they control has been an enormous influence to awakening everybody to the importance of being able to protect yourself. During the year of democrat rioting and violence, more women and non-white people bought a gun for the first time than ever before. Democrat voters all buying guns to protect their families.

Now we have Constitutional Permitless Carry in 27 states, and NFA restrictions are being dissolved. The Supreme Court is working on allowing sound supressors and also probably short barreled rifles, but the cases have to continue in their district to the conclusion of all lower levels then Supreme Court can make the final judgement. The cases in NY and CA relating to how they ristrict issuing carry permits to most people will result in a supreme court decision upholding something much closer to Constitutional Carry. The cases in CA and Chicago are going to result in removing restrictions against magazine capacity and specific features commonly found on rifles, like pistol grip, threaded barrel, muzzle brakes, flash hiders, and other things. There is a case in Chicago now that will result in removal of restrictions against sound supressors, which already are currently allowed in Texas and soon in more places.

The reason I say all of these things will be allowed is because there has been clarification by the supreme court in recent decisions which directs the way that all of these laws must be interpreted. They are not allowed to interpret these laws anymore in a way that will allow them to ban anything just because they want to. And they have to allow anything that is in common usage. Standard capacity magazines are not allowed to be banned because they are common usage. And all of the common standard features banned in places like CA, NY, NJ, MA, and other places, these have to be allowed because they are in common usage.
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Yes, I am glad our country is screwing their heads on straight for the most part slowly but surely when it comes to this, as a lot of restrictions basically got to the point where gross misinterpretations were literally infringing upon the second amendment. It is easy for democrats and a lot of other sheltered people and those who live in gated communities to talk trash to gun owners from a high horse until they actually come to a dangerous situation or crisis where they have to choose between a gun and imminent bodily injury or worse. A lot of people are waking up to the real world the hard way. If I recall correctly Kennesaw Georgia still has a law were every citizen is required to own a gun.

The fact that many countries will allow someone to be sued or even get prison time for self-defense or defending against home intrusions is against natural law in every sense.

Many liberal and northern states that don't have castle law or stand-your-ground laws require you to flee. This also leaves a number of loopholes for the opposing parties to the person trying to defend themselves to say there was possibly some other way for some reason they could have avoided hurting their assailant and that what they did was still punishable by law...The requirement to flee is in every way against the person being threatened with imminent death or assaulted. It is also in no way natural or right to lay down and allow your home or property to be ravaged.
 
There is a reason why the 1st Amendment is the right to always be able to tell the truth, no matter who wants to censor you and try to force a lie. And the 2nd Amendment is the right to defend the lives of yourself and your family. Because these are the absolute most important things.
 
Henu the Great said:
Dahaarkan said:
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And at the same time death as a sentence can result more extreme crime because in a deranged mind "yolo". So, while it provides a 'good solution' it does also exacerbate crime as well.

But in far future the above is less of an issue once we have collectively raised to higher levels.
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This sentiment has been floating around for a while and I find it odd that people actually believe this. Harsher punishments further discourage crimes, not the other way around. The above argument is merely a veiled threat from perpetrators, a promise that if their crimes are punished, they will commit worse crimes in response.

Regardless, I don't think first death penalty solves anything anyway. The problem is spiritual and executing a prisoner only sends their soul further in time, reincarnating and continuing the cycle of rot.

The souls of these people must be healed, or they must be purged. Any other solution is just placebo.
 
No.

This is the solution:

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"Work Sets You Free"

Many degenerates would actually like to escape by death penalty - while since they are so rotten they might end up in Tartarus anyway, in life they should be given castration and lifelong forced labor so they might give in return to society something positive for once. Some more lively ones may need lobotomy as well.

They should know they will be very fucked beyond a simple death threat, that also solve the problem of death penalty not working as a deterrent for some criminals. Giving work force, and being alway from society might also solve the karmic problem of letting them alive for a while.


 
Dahaarkan said:
This sentiment has been floating around for a while and I find it odd that people actually believe this. Harsher punishments further discourage crimes, not the other way around. The above argument is merely a veiled threat from perpetrators, a promise that if their crimes are punished, they will commit worse crimes in response.

Regardless, I don't think first death penalty solves anything anyway. The problem is spiritual and executing a prisoner only sends their soul further in time, reincarnating and continuing the cycle of rot.

The souls of these people must be healed, or they must be purged. Any other solution is just placebo.
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I never said that harsher punishments do not further deter. I added that there is a dual-action consequence to harsher punishments.

And yes, the ultimate solution goes beyond the physical realm, preferably combining both worlds.
 
Egon said:
No.

This is the solution:

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"Work Sets You Free"

Many degenerates would actually like to escape by death penalty - while since they are so rotten they might end up in Tartarus anyway, in life they should be given castration and lifelong forced labor so they might give in return to society something positive for once. Some more lively ones may need lobotomy as well.

They should know they will be very fucked beyond a simple death threat, that also solve the problem of death penalty not working as a deterrent for some criminals. Giving work force, and being alway from society might also solve the karmic problem of letting them alive for a while.


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What kind of work can they really do? Sure, there are many undesirable jobs which could be left to them, but they won't be efficient labor.

I'm not against it, however there are a lot of problems with managing this kind of punishment.

The reason I speak of the death penalty is because this efficiently removes the burden from society. The issue with it is people treating criminals who commit an unforgivable crime as a human, and see the death penalty as something inhumane.

I will say, if a system can be created where indentured servitude is viable and actually can be of benefit to society, rather than a gimmick, then it should be implemented.

However, I don't see this happening. It is only an illusion of "benefit".

Rather, get rid of the trash and allow decent life to flourish instead. Keeping prisoners around is not helpful at all, and far too much risk exists in letting that kind of slag be responsible for labor at all.


Maybe if they can be neutered and turned into literal labor slaves, however we as a society should not go that route, as it leads to grave dangers and very unhealthy practices.

Ways this could be done technologically involve technologies that should not be used at all. Such as brain implants.

Perhaps other uses could be found for such criminals. However some of the thoughts I have on this are biased and probably too severe to put on the forum.


Death penalty is neither too severe, nor too humane. It is the least burdensome way to eliminate this nuisance from the midst of society.

The souls can be left out of the reincarnation cycle until they dissipate.

There is no need for neither more cruel punishment, nor to let society have to adapt systems to handle scum who commit unthinkable acts.

The priority should not be be squeeze as much benefit from these creatures as possible, but rather to rid society of them in the least cumbersome way.

As even at maximum benefit being squeezed from such an offender, they won't contribute more than a reasonable person to life. It is worthless to keep them around.

Efforts are better placed elsewhere.
 
Indeed, why make taxpayers put their money towards people to eat and live who may have murdered or raped their loved ones or even their children specifically. The fact that death row lasts so long is also contributing to this and is absolutely retarded.

To me, there are two kinds of prisoners. The ones who are in because of bad choices and have made some bad decisions. Drugs, burglary (not the violent kind but just stealing without wanting to hurt someone or trying to avoid it), And resorting to crime to try to support oneself and family. This does not excuse their actions and they have to pay for their crimes. A lot of these people even have a code where if they find an inmate who has raped or murdered a child or woman they will absolutely destroy them. These are the type of people that know they are fucked up on some level due to their choices but still have a conscience and are for the most part redeemable if they try to fix themselves and get their lives straight.

Then we have the latter who are completely far gone whose souls will waste to nothing ness who often cause the aforementioned most violent and heinous crimes. These need to be gotten rid of as they provide nothing of value to society and cannot be saved so there is no "setting back further spiritually" that is already far beyond redemption. I speak of the sociopaths, the psychos who have no conscience and take pleasure in the cruelty towards others and ruining lives, and make the most disgusting excuses for their perverted desires. Pedophiles, rapists, murdering in cold blood, people who enjoy causing pain. These bastards deserve the worst.
 
Dahaarkan said:
Pumpkin671 said:
I am against it but my mind could be changed.
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You should consider placing yourself in the shoes of the victims because it's easy to cast judgement and make decisions from an outsider position.

Prison and rehabilitation is paid for with tax money and considering this from the point of view of a victim, would you really be okay with being viciously victimized and then knowing that you are paying taxes for the upkeep and continued existence of someone who victimized you.


Imagine someone rapes or murders a close family member, and then you live the rest of your life knowing that your hard earned money goes into taxes which is then spent keeping that person alive, fed and healthy. Rehabilitation is a lie because the source of the problem is spiritual and prisons do not address any spiritual pollution, in fact all they do is make it worse.
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Well my money already does that (supporting those who have hurt others by means of indirect monetary support) and I would also be paying for their death in any case. Hard to say how I would feel when actually in that position of a certain family member going through such a thing...justice would need to be served and in my opinion death is an easy way out. Having them waste their life in prison I think is a much more fitting solution or as some prisons would have them work while in prison (no compensation obviously). Everyone has their own way of "wanting" justice either by death or by long prison sentences...it is kinda a personal opinion by regardless an interesting one.
 
Shadowcat said:
The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.
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Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.
 
Pumpkin671 said:
Shadowcat said:
The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.
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Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.
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So you are telling me you would rather lie down and take it instead of cursing someone to death if they raped or killed your family?

It's easy to patronize when one has lived a sheltered life.
 
Pumpkin671 said:
Shadowcat said:
The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.
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Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.
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What's wrong with eye for an eye? This whole rehabilitation nonsense is Jewish shite, people should be punished not rehabilitatated.
 
Praeceptorem666 said:
Pumpkin671 said:
Shadowcat said:
The death penalty is absolutely justifiable in cases of rape and murder that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to administer justice to those who deserve it. A death spell exists for the same reason, especially if these types of people get off scot-free.

What I dislike is the "humane" forms of administration, such as lethal injection, as the criminal deserves a violent horrifying death in the same capacity that they administered to their victims. Disposing of them in this way is a mercy and a kindness almost, although i have heard in some cases leathal injection can cause excruciating pain. This isn't because I would want cruelty for the sake of it, but to administer justice in proportion to the offense. If I had a loved one who was violently victimized I would want the very same things done back to the criminal, to make them feel the pain and horror they themselves inflicted.

The judicial system should allow family members to choose and even to personally carry out a method of punishment for these types of crimes under lawful supervision. This would be the equivalent of cursing someone to death because they raped or murdered one of your family in the way you saw fit.

Disposing of someone out of an act of revenge should also not be punished in the case someone is avenging a loved one who was victimized by said type of violent crime. I knew an older guy I worked with on a job that was in jail for almost 20 years because he disposed of the person that he literally watched shoot his father when he was 9 years old. He wanted revenge for his father and took it when he was older, around 15. The police even told him they sympathized with him but had to process him anyway according to the law. The court knew of the circumstance and softened the sentence according to this, but he should not have had most of his life wasted just for rightfully avenging his father. Justice was served by his hand and he was punished.
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Sounds more like an eye for an eye rather than justice.
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What's wrong with eye for an eye? This whole rehabilitation nonsense is Jewish shite, people should be punished not rehabilitatated.
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There is no actual rehabilitation in prison because the system is screwed up and does not focus on reprogramming people constructively. People that are otherwise redeemable in the long run do the time for whatever crime nonetheless, and most come out worse than before, with even innocents ending up in prison for crimes they did not commit. Others go in that are already far beyond redemption and are utterly disposable. Punishment is to be administered in proportion, which does not always require full throttle except for the most worse cases as mentioned.
 
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