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Dahaarkan

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I'd like to hear opinions on this.

I've heard many people complaining that it is not true art because it is generated by AI, and while at this stage you are essentially just giving a program random words to create art from, I do think this holds much promise.

Personally I consider art to be a manifestation of your psyche given form for others to observe and peer unto your being. How you manifest this, whether it is by carving a drawing with a rock or using advanced programs, is irrelevant to me.

What are your thoughts?

I personally am looking forward to seeing this develop further. Technology being pushed for artistic pursuits is in itself a beautiful thing to witness, especially in contrast with the reality that it's usually pushed to create oppression and horrors beyond comprehension.
 
While I respect the skill and creativity of a "real" artist, I still consider the AI generated images to be the art. The main argument against it is that it just takes the existing art and photos made by humans and shapes something out of it and therefore it can't be the real art and in essence is just plagiarism of sorts.

I disagree with that, since genuine artists don't get their ideas out of a vacuum and the inspiration comes from things they've already seen and from the other artists.

Though I'm not sure how I feel about this technology eventually making a large part of the employed artists obsolete, which could happen or not.
 
DawStarlight said:
While I respect the skill and creativity of a "real" artist, I still consider the AI generated images to be the art. The main argument against it is that it just takes the existing art and photos made by humans and shapes something out of it and therefore it can't be the real art and in essence is just plagiarism of sorts.

I disagree with that, since genuine artists don't get their ideas out of a vacuum and the inspiration comes from things they've already seen and from the other artists.

Though I'm not sure how I feel about this technology eventually making a large part of the employed artists obsolete, which could happen or not.
Ai can't replace Human made art because Ai lacks consciousness, thus art by it will always remain inferior.
 
Henu the Great said:
Ai can't replace Human made art because Ai lacks consciousness, thus art by it will always remain inferior.

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(Yes, the duct taped banana passing off as "art" is real)
 
It's just another tool. As always whenever there is a technologocal breakthrough there will be backlash due to fear of unknown or change. I've seen a lot of fear mongering or misunderstandings in the art community over AI art. The same happened with the appearance of digital tools like photoshop. As long as it is used appropriately ie not for plagiarism then theres nothing wrong with using it.

The act of creation is to manifest ones will into reality. AI is a tool not the end means. As long as that is understood then there isnt any issues.

Personally though any artist that isnt already at a certain level shouldnt use it as I think it would hinder growth.
 
Henu the Great said:
DawStarlight said:
While I respect the skill and creativity of a "real" artist, I still consider the AI generated images to be the art. The main argument against it is that it just takes the existing art and photos made by humans and shapes something out of it and therefore it can't be the real art and in essence is just plagiarism of sorts.

I disagree with that, since genuine artists don't get their ideas out of a vacuum and the inspiration comes from things they've already seen and from the other artists.

Though I'm not sure how I feel about this technology eventually making a large part of the employed artists obsolete, which could happen or not.
Ai can't replace Human made art because Ai lacks consciousness, thus art by it will always remain inferior.

That's true. Of course when we refer to the AI, we all know it's not the actual AI and just machine learning. The real artists will still be in business, but I can imagine how it can steal a job or two from them when that technology gets an upgrade or two. Imagine you're a small video game studio making something simple like a visual novel. You can pay an actual artists to so they can create the portraits of your characters or you can generate them yourself using several prompts.
 
I am a programmer, I am not a Digital Artist.
I plan to use AI art to assist in the development of projects I have for years been contemplating.

Also, I have in the past meditated upon artwork. With AI art, I can easily and efficiently choose the art.

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Dahaarkan said:
I'd like to hear opinions on this.

I've heard many people complaining that it is not true art because it is generated by AI, and while at this stage you are essentially just giving a program random words to create art from, I do think this holds much promise.

Personally I consider art to be a manifestation of your psyche given form for others to observe and peer unto your being. How you manifest this, whether it is by carving a drawing with a rock or using advanced programs, is irrelevant to me.

What are your thoughts?

I personally am looking forward to seeing this develop further. Technology being pushed for artistic pursuits is in itself a beautiful thing to witness, especially in contrast with the reality that it's usually pushed to create oppression and horrors beyond comprehension.

I'd like to see Books turned into Movies with the use of AI Art. Give it another 10 years.
 
Dahaarkan said:
I'd like to hear opinions on this.

I've heard many people complaining that it is not true art because it is generated by AI, and while at this stage you are essentially just giving a program random words to create art from, I do think this holds much promise.

Personally I consider art to be a manifestation of your psyche given form for others to observe and peer unto your being. How you manifest this, whether it is by carving a drawing with a rock or using advanced programs, is irrelevant to me.

What are your thoughts?

I personally am looking forward to seeing this develop further. Technology being pushed for artistic pursuits is in itself a beautiful thing to witness, especially in contrast with the reality that it's usually pushed to create oppression and horrors beyond comprehension.
The highest forms of art express the parts of the human experience that can't be expressed. It speaks to what can't be put to words and brings to the collective experience that which is deeply intimate and personal and cannot be known outside the self.

However there is certainly merit to art which exists merely to provide an aesthetic experience. AI art cannot reach the limits of what a talented artist can do with brushes and pigments. But it can certainly create beautiful depictions, and sometimes a patron can still find meaning in it as it is still an artpiece and art brings meaning to life.

But the operator of the AI has to feed it quality inputs. Art depicting generic anime girls cannot offer much to humanity. But it can certainly produce beautiful works, though they may not be entirely original.
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I believe its best use is to synthesize artwork based on styles of artists bygone, or to blend styles together to create new ones, and to help give expression to ideas held by the artistically uninclined.

AI certainly has more soul to it than "artwork" coming from grads from major art schools today(ala calarts).
It can be no less soulless than the usual CGI artwork today, but again it depends on the AI and the operator feeding it good inputs. My opinion is that digital art is inherently inferior to physical mediums.
 
Henu the Great said:
DawStarlight said:
While I respect the skill and creativity of a "real" artist, I still consider the AI generated images to be the art. The main argument against it is that it just takes the existing art and photos made by humans and shapes something out of it and therefore it can't be the real art and in essence is just plagiarism of sorts.

I disagree with that, since genuine artists don't get their ideas out of a vacuum and the inspiration comes from things they've already seen and from the other artists.

Though I'm not sure how I feel about this technology eventually making a large part of the employed artists obsolete, which could happen or not.
Ai can't replace Human made art because Ai lacks consciousness, thus art by it will always remain inferior.

I personally do not see that much difference in using a drawing tablet and instructing an advanced AI to create something based on your imagination. In both cases you are instructing a piece of technology to create an illustration although the latter is more accessible.

Indeed when using a brush you are likewise using a tool to illustrate something. The more advanced your artistic tools are, the more spectacular and beautiful things you can make. This technology is still in it's infancy, but I'm curious to see where it goes.


The AI does not work on it's own imagination, it requires the user's creativity to instruct it to create something. So one of an uncreative and dim soul will likely make mundane works even with such advanced tools. I think technology being pushed artistically is a beautiful thing to witness.
 
existentialcrisis said:
Dahaarkan said:
I'd like to hear opinions on this.

I've heard many people complaining that it is not true art because it is generated by AI, and while at this stage you are essentially just giving a program random words to create art from, I do think this holds much promise.

Personally I consider art to be a manifestation of your psyche given form for others to observe and peer unto your being. How you manifest this, whether it is by carving a drawing with a rock or using advanced programs, is irrelevant to me.

What are your thoughts?

I personally am looking forward to seeing this develop further. Technology being pushed for artistic pursuits is in itself a beautiful thing to witness, especially in contrast with the reality that it's usually pushed to create oppression and horrors beyond comprehension.
The highest forms of art express the parts of the human experience that can't be expressed. It speaks to what can't be put to words and brings to the collective experience that which is deeply intimate and personal and cannot be known outside the self.

However there is certainly merit to art which exists merely to provide an aesthetic experience. AI art cannot reach the limits of what a talented artist can do with brushes and pigments. But it can certainly create beautiful depictions, and sometimes a patron can still find meaning in it as it is still an artpiece and art brings meaning to life.

But the operator of the AI has to feed it quality inputs. Art depicting generic anime girls cannot offer much to humanity. But it can certainly produce beautiful works, though they may not be entirely original.
enhanced-matte-paper-poster-_in_-16x20-front-62e59826e4ead_900x.jpg


I believe its best use is to synthesize artwork based on styles of artists bygone, or to blend styles together to create new ones, and to help give expression to ideas held by the artistically uninclined.

AI certainly has more soul to it than "artwork" coming from grads from major art schools today(ala calarts).
It can be no less soulless than the usual CGI artwork today, but again it depends on the AI and the operator feeding it good inputs. My opinion is that digital art is inherently inferior to physical mediums.

I consider anything that is a true manifestation of one's creativity, one's soul and emotion to be art, by whichever tool this is created whether it is a simple brush or an advanced program. If an AI is capable of peering into one's psyche and manifesting it in the form of an illustration, I don't really discard it entirely as if it has no merit or value.

Of course as of now it's still in it's infancy so we'll see how this develops. Music is my favored art form and much of it is soulless garbage nowadays. In my opinion, making the process of creating artistic works easier is not a negative thing, though I can agree there is an unmistakable charm and unique beauty to art through physical mediums that technology is yet to replicate.
 
I mean, to the ancient Greeks, beauty was mathematical, iirc. I see nothing wrong with it.

On the other hand, there are grand works of art that probably incorporate the power of Divine Geometry and shapes perceived straight from the crown chakra. That definitely can't be emulated by machines.

I think AI art has its place, and it's not going to replace the glory of art made by great human artists and Gods.
 
jrvan said:
I mean, to the ancient Greeks, beauty was mathematical, iirc. I see nothing wrong with it.

On the other hand, there are grand works of art that probably incorporate the power of Divine Geometry and shapes perceived straight from the crown chakra. That definitely can't be emulated by machines.

I think AI art has its place, and it's not going to replace the glory of art made by great human artists and Gods.
Exactly.
For nearly 100 years now, things like this
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have been considered art, unanimously among everyone I know.
And all that endless beauty is simply the formula Z = Z² + C, iterated infinitely for Z.

The only reason people are even questioning whether AI art is "art", is because it's now getting good enough to threaten human artists' jobs.

However, the only reason AI can make such good art is because it has been trained on human art. The human is still the artist, but in a different way. In theory, AI could generate art with spiritual symbolism, if provided with such art for training. However, since there is an endless amount of spiritual knowledge and symbolism to discover, the human will always be the primary source of new art.
 
Dahaarkan said:
I've listened to AI-created music next to Human made, and while it was well made and almost indistinguishable from the real deal, it did not excactly have the same substance than Human made. I don't see how it ever could match even when mastered.
 
I think that the artificial is still a creative and useful thing. I appreciate and enjoy all forms of development and advancement.

Surely playing video games at the screen will become retarded and primitive very soon. There are advances in that but that too is primitive, I am referring to entering the video game by involving the physical body.

What would be very interesting is a technology with which to merge consciousness and enter the virtual. This of course should be used for useful things and for fun, not for wasting all one's free time (not that there are people who don't waste their time with current virtual development and other things).
 
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jrvan said:
I mean, to the ancient Greeks, beauty was mathematical, iirc. I see nothing wrong with it.

On the other hand, there are grand works of art that probably incorporate the power of Divine Geometry and shapes perceived straight from the crown chakra. That definitely can't be emulated by machines.

I think AI art has its place, and it's not going to replace the glory of art made by great human artists and Gods.
Exactly.
For nearly 100 years now, things like this
220px-Mandelbrot_sequence_new.gif

have been considered art, unanimously among everyone I know.
And all that endless beauty is simply the formula Z = Z² + C, iterated infinitely for Z.

The only reason people are even questioning whether AI art is "art", is because it's now getting good enough to threaten human artists' jobs.

However, the only reason AI can make such good art is because it has been trained on human art. The human is still the artist, but in a different way. In theory, AI could generate art with spiritual symbolism, if provided with such art for training. However, since there is an endless amount of spiritual knowledge and symbolism to discover, the human will always be the primary source of new art.

That's oddly relaxing to watch, the gif loop.

I haven't really looked at AI art but honestly, if a robot is doing better art than oneself, that's some great motivation to improve ones skills on a personal level lol.
 
If we are talking about the AI and technology of pur current jewish world, then it would definitely become very boring in no time. No human consciousness and individuality in the art will create a soulless piece. Current AI operates on sole algorithmic logic. 1+1=2. No right brained manifestation.
But maybe if the knowledge and skill with AI increases... we could get some good art. But still.

I believe the artist actually projects his own essence in their art, in a way. This is why some psychics touch paintings and know who painted it.
 
Dahaarkan said:
I personally do not see that much difference in using a drawing tablet and instructing an advanced AI to create something based on your imagination. [...]

Alright guys, time out. I'm taking a big break from this community.
 
Bone Dust said:
Dahaarkan said:
I personally do not see that much difference in using a drawing tablet and instructing an advanced AI to create something based on your imagination. [...]

Alright guys, time out. I'm taking a big break from this community.

lol
 
Interestingly it seems whenever any tool or method for creating art is given birth the response from a majority of people is always the same. I remember years ago when drawing tablets became a thing and were starting to be widely used, there were rivers of tears about how it wasn't real art because true art takes "skill" and "talent" and must be done with physical mediums, and everything else is fake art.

What makes true art is the creative aspect and while having skill and talent are also valuable traits and definitely worthy of praise, it is the creative aspect that truly brings art to life and makes it a true representation of an artist's psyche and emotion.


Step into present day artist communities and you will see a vast ocean of very talented and highly skilled artists. Most of which dedicate their talent and skills to drawing vile pornography, cursed jewish religious imagery and many other forms of pointless garbage. These people are undeniably talented and skilled individuals, but do you really consider the above examples to be "art"?

I consider such things to be filth however talented the artist may be. And also void of any true creative aspect or soul. One can make a stunning illustration with photo realistic properties and perfect anatomy and spectacular lighting and effects. But if it is just a painting of jewsus fucking a goat then what is the point. There's also countless talented artists who all they do is draw fanart of existing things because they lack any creative aspect to make something that is truly their own and individual to their soul.


Making the creation of artistic manifestation of one's psyche and emotion more accessible and easy to do is not a negative thing. Art is an expression of one's soul and the tool used to achieve this is irrelevant. If one is a tremendously talented artist and only dedicates their skills to drawing garbage then what's the point.

AI art is in it's infancy and it's far from being capable of creating truly stunning works of art that represent the operator's psyche, but perhaps in the future such will exist. And an accessible, extremely easy to use tool for creating art is a positive thing.
 
Dahaarkan said:
Interestingly it seems whenever any tool or method for creating art is given birth the response from a majority of people is always the same. I remember years ago when drawing tablets became a thing and were starting to be widely used, there were rivers of tears about how it wasn't real art because true art takes "skill" and "talent" and must be done with physical mediums, and everything else is fake art.

What makes true art is the creative aspect and while having skill and talent are also valuable traits and definitely worthy of praise, it is the creative aspect that truly brings art to life and makes it a true representation of an artist's psyche and emotion.


Step into present day artist communities and you will see a vast ocean of very talented and highly skilled artists. Most of which dedicate their talent and skills to drawing vile pornography, cursed jewish religious imagery and many other forms of pointless garbage. These people are undeniably talented and skilled individuals, but do you really consider the above examples to be "art"?

I consider such things to be filth however talented the artist may be. And also void of any true creative aspect or soul. One can make a stunning illustration with photo realistic properties and perfect anatomy and spectacular lighting and effects. But if it is just a painting of jewsus fucking a goat then what is the point. There's also countless talented artists who all they do is draw fanart of existing things because they lack any creative aspect to make something that is truly their own and individual to their soul.


Making the creation of artistic manifestation of one's psyche and emotion more accessible and easy to do is not a negative thing. Art is an expression of one's soul and the tool used to achieve this is irrelevant. If one is a tremendously talented artist and only dedicates their skills to drawing garbage then what's the point.

AI art is in it's infancy and it's far from being capable of creating truly stunning works of art that represent the operator's psyche, but perhaps in the future such will exist. And an accessible, extremely easy to use tool for creating art is a positive thing.

And the greatest artists often worked with every possible technology that they had and did many different kinds of art. If there were ipads when Leonardo lived, he would have done art with one of those. He also would have kept painting but he would have used both things. He was mostly a scientist and he always used the new technologies and invented new things.
 
Dahaarkan said:
Bone Dust said:
Dahaarkan said:
I personally do not see that much difference in using a drawing tablet and instructing an advanced AI to create something based on your imagination. [...]

Alright guys, time out. I'm taking a big break from this community.

lol
[...] instructing an advanced AI to create something based on someone else's imagination [...]

Ho? You want to laugh it off and insult me? Do you have any idea what I've been doing these last three years? I've been watching you and a bunch of others shit up this place on and off every week and every month and I sat there, silently venting over a bunch of inhumane and unfair crap that was said over the years, I still held myself down while meditating 4-6 hours a day, every single day, I never stopped.

Besides the fact that I take my enormous time when I write replies. I like to be as detailed as possible to show my argument. If i spent all day, every day like some of you do on the forums, I wouldn't just have no time to meditate, i wouldn't have time to appreciate what little life has left to offer me. So yes I need the break, the drama you and others bring to these golden halls is suffocating me and harming my relationship with Satan. I don't want to feel that negativity ever again, so if i have to actually sit down and reason with you why, of all the people in this forum, I sincerely dislike you the most. That's because I want the point to be seen, not just by you, but by those you are harming with your behavior.

Do you know why I don't bother to voice my opinion on most matters? Because I am a very upfront and argumentative person with a lot of imagination. I don't have very kind things to say to a lot of people here, and I also don't want to get in the way either. My restraint is with good intent and with Satan in mind. This action has taught me some measure of patience and to trust some, less others. Maybe some self-restraint would do you good too?

Today, however, by being allied to this monstrosity and hand waving our concerns away, you are thereby effectively attacking the artistic integrity of others with reckless disregard for our collective passion. That includes musicians, actors and writers. These are all being automated too in eventuality. By welcoming this affront to humanity, you are insulting a whole swathe of people with your callous and total disrespect for the effort it took for them to reach their levels. You demonstrate that you would sooner kiss jewish ass in a VR AI stimulation cuck pod than motivate your brothers and sisters in Satan to reach better artistic heights, regardless of what they choose to pursue art in, with reason of course.

You certainly wouldn't have been batting away any of the other responses that went against your ideals of being meritless and of laziness, assuming you we're planning to be honest about authentic art in any capacity, you weren't. After all that might explain why you have no concept of the differences between what amounts to a pointliner on a piece of paper and a glorified rgb-light-spinning photocopying machine (BRRRRRRRRR): in other words you don't know what the creative process is or is about.

Like every other normie out there, you are too dazzled by the wording of the program "artifical intelligence". It's not, you input a prompt and it lifts up an algorithm that sources instructions from a library of stolen artwork. Yes, some of us are aspiring artists and/or professional artists and this absolutely affects us. Instead of discussing ways to combat or go around this corrosion, you very clearly would rather directly attack the creative drive and spirit of SS by posting this jewish cringe. Saying that we are unreasonable for finding any discomfort in any of it.

No amount of auto-generated word salads, synthetic imagery or beeps and boops that derive from HUMAN WORK AND PASSION will ever match up logically, emotionally or spiritually, not even to a fucking banana strapped to a wall: ie show YOUR work, not the work of OTHERS (or of a lifeless, soulless automaton). Writers still write, musicians still make music and artists will still make art. Theirs will always have a derivative value, either monetarily or often for nostalgic purposes. The quality of the art isn't what sells the most either, its the value you present with that art.

You like fallout? See this example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tXzbCVL8Q8
The artwork here is helping evoke what the music is about. Without our memory, experiences and to an extent our imagination (read: the person, not the machine), the sounds that evoke old 80's nostalgia would be an elusive idea to us and so it wouldn't make much sense. This is what gives meaning to this visual art and that specific genre of music. That then becomes a value to those who feel nostalgic about this specific brand of music or brand of art (old movie posters for example). This value is then attached to the art itself which is what helps it be spread everywhere or be bought by people who find an incentive to invest in that piece of art.

That is usually the reason why good artists can and can't make money and inversily bad artists can and can't make money. It just depends on their timing and how they present their material, what are they trying to communicate? What are they trying to evoke? The jewish corporations funding this attack on human emotion are doing this to streamline their production pipeline, their customers are deranged normies who can't put the phone down from gacha games and they need to sell more easily produced anime "waifus". This was never about "artistic freedom", just pure jewish greed masked under "technological advancement" shared freely to blow competition out of the water, they don't care if its easily produced and neither do their customers. Calarts wasnt working out, its time to stupidify high fidelity.

This AI ART software, that you call a "tool" simply takes away the ceiling of quality, bringing it back down beneath ground zero, into the gutter, reducing any potential that level of skill had to almost nothing. Because now everyone can just copy paste someone's work by mixing and matching someone else's work together into an unholy abomination. You are literally, either accidentally or willingly, vouching for the destruction of artistic authenticity. Artistic authenticity also is a layer of truth about seeking to become a better version of yourself, in this case, artistically. You'd want to strive to reach that level of artistic capability and you'd look up to the more capable artists. Just like how we look up to the gods and strive to reach their heights. You are now removing (or at least promoting the removal of) that from the table and making an already almost entirely sterile humanity suck even more ass than it could possibly suck at. At least, regarding art.

Printing/copying with an automaton labeled "ai" will just destroy the value of high visual fidelity (at first, then the rest as it becomes "better"). But don't worry because all of your complaints about artists making art you don't find "truly artistic" will become meaningless, because now there's just going to be even more of that garbage, everywhere. While the artists that stay take the time to evolve around this roadblock, you will be engrossed in this judaized world of synthetic sensories that mean ultimately nothing of true value to humanity. When you see someone tell you that ai wont replace human art, this is what they refer to in concept.

This notion that old artists supposedly would have been using such a "tool" to do their art is totally twisted, lets assume that's the case and they ONLY have access to AI ART (as it is now on 11/16/2022) and nothing else, that means they know art as traditional painting. You ignore the current reality that everyone can now do this for free at no cost or merit (besides having a decent gpu for rendering time). Which means that in such a fairy-tale setting of yours, the old artist would cease to be relevant, nobody would have displayed his art today (historically) and nobody would have fucking cared. Do you know why nobody would have cared back then, like today? Because most people are extremely shallow and most people want to survive, they would have stolen their ideas and made it impossible for the old artist to be recognized due to all the noise (productions) created by everyone else, you know since its "MoRe AcCeSsIbLe".

This would be an artist's tool if it allowed you, the artist (a person), to be able to modify it into speeding up your pipeline with strictly your own art. But instead of this happening, artists are having their work being put inside the program's library (with each new release of SD for example its growing at an alarming rate) without their consent and now anyone who uses this are at huge copyright risks. Any potential you are aspiring to with this "tool" is therefor instantly lost. Its just a glorified photocopier that will get thrown into the copyright landfill, where it belongs. If they make a version where they let you designate where it forks the art from (so you compile strictly your own art and fork others at your own risk inside your own "ai" art tool or don't be a cheating scumbag) then I will be in agreement that it can be a useful tool for the artist.

But now i need you to stop dreaming about this false reality and wake up to the fact that this is not happening. Especially because you have to factor something really important, you and i are not the only people alive and aware of this tool and you and I (well i dont know about you) might be honest about our intentions, they are not. So unless there are stringent regulations for this (which is coming and many communities and websites ban ai art for obvious reasons that shouldn't be lost on anyone), this is going to blow up in everyone's faces who are using this with the intent to resell the work of others. Deservingly so, either way it goes for allowing this to exist.

We're supposed to alleviate our addictions, not make them worse by relying on automatons to create our passions for us to experience. You draw from the shoulder, not the robot. Pen and Paper -> Tablet -> Self-Control. THAT is the difference. You should be inspiring others to do art, not tell them their progress is fruitless because your coomer friends showed you AI ART "will replace artists" and then laugh at anyone who feels any ounce of discomfort over this.

You basically pretended to feign interest in a discussion about art so that you could spew your pre-packaged nonsense that came from degenerates on 4chan/reddit/twitter (the asshole of the internet). Open your web browser and type "ai art theft", educate yourself and stop trying to convince me this jewish pipe dream is anything but another facet of corrosion on society.

This attempt to cloak this thread under the veneer of ostensibly seeking for a mature discussion about AI "art" which is just a derivative of literal thieves and coomers running around damaging authentic art as a whole is absolutely the most disgusting and vile thing i have ever seen someone post on this entire forum. You can pretend you are the authority on this subject all you want with your lame bait drama, but its not fooling me at all and I see right through you, troll.

We are not thieves here.




Peace.

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Some links of relevant interest :
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/16/1059598/this-artist-is-dominating-ai-generated-art-and-hes-not-happy-about-it/
https://kotaku.com/ai-generated-art-ban-anime-convention-los-angeles-1849788219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HAsaDwzrI
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2022/10/thief-steals-genshin-impact-fan-art-using-ai-demands-credit-from-creator/
https://kotaku.com/ai-art-dall-e-midjourney-stable-diffusion-copyright-1849388060
https://news.yahoo.com/getty-images-ai-generated-content-ban-153337930.html
https://www.techspot.com/community/topics/ai-generated-images-are-drawing-bans-from-some-art-communities.276995/
https://mindmatters.ai/2019/10/why-ai-art-is-not-art/
 
Bone Dust said:
Dahaarkan said:
Bone Dust said:
Alright guys, time out. I'm taking a big break from this community.

lol
[...] instructing an advanced AI to create something based on someone else's imagination [...]

Ho? You want to laugh it off and insult me? Do you have any idea what I've been doing these last three years? I've been watching you and a bunch of others shit up this place on and off every week and every month and I sat there, silently venting over a bunch of inhumane and unfair crap that was said over the years, I still held myself down while meditating 4-6 hours a day, every single day, I never stopped.

Besides the fact that I take my enormous time when I write replies. I like to be as detailed as possible to show my argument. If i spent all day, every day like some of you do on the forums, I wouldn't just have no time to meditate, i wouldn't have time to appreciate what little life has left to offer me. So yes I need the break, the drama you and others bring to these golden halls is suffocating me and harming my relationship with Satan. I don't want to feel that negativity ever again, so if i have to actually sit down and reason with you why, of all the people in this forum, I sincerely dislike you the most. That's because I want the point to be seen, not just by you, but by those you are harming with your behavior.

Do you know why I don't bother to voice my opinion on most matters? Because I am a very upfront and argumentative person with a lot of imagination. I don't have very kind things to say to a lot of people here, and I also don't want to get in the way either. My restraint is with good intent and with Satan in mind. This action has taught me some measure of patience and to trust some, less others. Maybe some self-restraint would do you good too?

Today, however, by being allied to this monstrosity and hand waving our concerns away, you are thereby effectively attacking the artistic integrity of others with reckless disregard for our collective passion. That includes musicians, actors and writers. These are all being automated too in eventuality. By welcoming this affront to humanity, you are insulting a whole swathe of people with your callous and total disrespect for the effort it took for them to reach their levels. You demonstrate that you would sooner kiss jewish ass in a VR AI stimulation cuck pod than motivate your brothers and sisters in Satan to reach better artistic heights, regardless of what they choose to pursue art in, with reason of course.

You certainly wouldn't have been batting away any of the other responses that went against your ideals of being meritless and of laziness, assuming you we're planning to be honest about authentic art in any capacity, you weren't. After all that might explain why you have no concept of the differences between what amounts to a pointliner on a piece of paper and a glorified rgb-light-spinning photocopying machine (BRRRRRRRRR): in other words you don't know what the creative process is or is about.

Like every other normie out there, you are too dazzled by the wording of the program "artifical intelligence". It's not, you input a prompt and it lifts up an algorithm that sources instructions from a library of stolen artwork. Yes, some of us are aspiring artists and/or professional artists and this absolutely affects us. Instead of discussing ways to combat or go around this corrosion, you very clearly would rather directly attack the creative drive and spirit of SS by posting this jewish cringe. Saying that we are unreasonable for finding any discomfort in any of it.

No amount of auto-generated word salads, synthetic imagery or beeps and boops that derive from HUMAN WORK AND PASSION will ever match up logically, emotionally or spiritually, not even to a fucking banana strapped to a wall: ie show YOUR work, not the work of OTHERS (or of a lifeless, soulless automaton). Writers still write, musicians still make music and artists will still make art. Theirs will always have a derivative value, either monetarily or often for nostalgic purposes. The quality of the art isn't what sells the most either, its the value you present with that art.

You like fallout? See this example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tXzbCVL8Q8
The artwork here is helping evoke what the music is about. Without our memory, experiences and to an extent our imagination (read: the person, not the machine), the sounds that evoke old 80's nostalgia would be an elusive idea to us and so it wouldn't make much sense. This is what gives meaning to this visual art and that specific genre of music. That then becomes a value to those who feel nostalgic about this specific brand of music or brand of art (old movie posters for example). This value is then attached to the art itself which is what helps it be spread everywhere or be bought by people who find an incentive to invest in that piece of art.

That is usually the reason why good artists can and can't make money and inversily bad artists can and can't make money. It just depends on their timing and how they present their material, what are they trying to communicate? What are they trying to evoke? The jewish corporations funding this attack on human emotion are doing this to streamline their production pipeline, their customers are deranged normies who can't put the phone down from gacha games and they need to sell more easily produced anime "waifus". This was never about "artistic freedom", just pure jewish greed masked under "technological advancement" shared freely to blow competition out of the water, they don't care if its easily produced and neither do their customers. Calarts wasnt working out, its time to stupidify high fidelity.

This AI ART software, that you call a "tool" simply takes away the ceiling of quality, bringing it back down beneath ground zero, into the gutter, reducing any potential that level of skill had to almost nothing. Because now everyone can just copy paste someone's work by mixing and matching someone else's work together into an unholy abomination. You are literally, either accidentally or willingly, vouching for the destruction of artistic authenticity. Artistic authenticity also is a layer of truth about seeking to become a better version of yourself, in this case, artistically. You'd want to strive to reach that level of artistic capability and you'd look up to the more capable artists. Just like how we look up to the gods and strive to reach their heights. You are now removing (or at least promoting the removal of) that from the table and making an already almost entirely sterile humanity suck even more ass than it could possibly suck at. At least, regarding art.

Printing/copying with an automaton labeled "ai" will just destroy the value of high visual fidelity (at first, then the rest as it becomes "better"). But don't worry because all of your complaints about artists making art you don't find "truly artistic" will become meaningless, because now there's just going to be even more of that garbage, everywhere. While the artists that stay take the time to evolve around this roadblock, you will be engrossed in this judaized world of synthetic sensories that mean ultimately nothing of true value to humanity. When you see someone tell you that ai wont replace human art, this is what they refer to in concept.

This notion that old artists supposedly would have been using such a "tool" to do their art is totally twisted, lets assume that's the case and they ONLY have access to AI ART (as it is now on 11/16/2022) and nothing else, that means they know art as traditional painting. You ignore the current reality that everyone can now do this for free at no cost or merit (besides having a decent gpu for rendering time). Which means that in such a fairy-tale setting of yours, the old artist would cease to be relevant, nobody would have displayed his art today (historically) and nobody would have fucking cared. Do you know why nobody would have cared back then, like today? Because most people are extremely shallow and most people want to survive, they would have stolen their ideas and made it impossible for the old artist to be recognized due to all the noise (productions) created by everyone else, you know since its "MoRe AcCeSsIbLe".

This would be an artist's tool if it allowed you, the artist (a person), to be able to modify it into speeding up your pipeline with strictly your own art. But instead of this happening, artists are having their work being put inside the program's library (with each new release of SD for example its growing at an alarming rate) without their consent and now anyone who uses this are at huge copyright risks. Any potential you are aspiring to with this "tool" is therefor instantly lost. Its just a glorified photocopier that will get thrown into the copyright landfill, where it belongs. If they make a version where they let you designate where it forks the art from (so you compile strictly your own art and fork others at your own risk inside your own "ai" art tool or don't be a cheating scumbag) then I will be in agreement that it can be a useful tool for the artist.

But now i need you to stop dreaming about this false reality and wake up to the fact that this is not happening. Especially because you have to factor something really important, you and i are not the only people alive and aware of this tool and you and I (well i dont know about you) might be honest about our intentions, they are not. So unless there are stringent regulations for this (which is coming and many communities and websites ban ai art for obvious reasons that shouldn't be lost on anyone), this is going to blow up in everyone's faces who are using this with the intent to resell the work of others. Deservingly so, either way it goes for allowing this to exist.

We're supposed to alleviate our addictions, not make them worse by relying on automatons to create our passions for us to experience. You draw from the shoulder, not the robot. Pen and Paper -> Tablet -> Self-Control. THAT is the difference. You should be inspiring others to do art, not tell them their progress is fruitless because your coomer friends showed you AI ART "will replace artists" and then laugh at anyone who feels any ounce of discomfort over this.

You basically pretended to feign interest in a discussion about art so that you could spew your pre-packaged nonsense that came from degenerates on 4chan/reddit/twitter (the asshole of the internet). Open your web browser and type "ai art theft", educate yourself and stop trying to convince me this jewish pipe dream is anything but another facet of corrosion on society.

This attempt to cloak this thread under the veneer of ostensibly seeking for a mature discussion about AI "art" which is just a derivative of literal thieves and coomers running around damaging authentic art as a whole is absolutely the most disgusting and vile thing i have ever seen someone post on this entire forum. You can pretend you are the authority on this subject all you want with your lame bait drama, but its not fooling me at all and I see right through you, troll.

We are not thieves here.




Peace.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some links of relevant interest :
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/16/1059598/this-artist-is-dominating-ai-generated-art-and-hes-not-happy-about-it/
https://kotaku.com/ai-generated-art-ban-anime-convention-los-angeles-1849788219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HAsaDwzrI
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2022/10/thief-steals-genshin-impact-fan-art-using-ai-demands-credit-from-creator/
https://kotaku.com/ai-art-dall-e-midjourney-stable-diffusion-copyright-1849388060
https://news.yahoo.com/getty-images-ai-generated-content-ban-153337930.html
https://www.techspot.com/community/topics/ai-generated-images-are-drawing-bans-from-some-art-communities.276995/
https://mindmatters.ai/2019/10/why-ai-art-is-not-art/

Yeah I have to laugh at you because it's the only way to get you to actually voice your opinion. There's a reason you don't see me replying much to people in agreement because what actually interests me is conversation with people of differing views, this is how you learn more about things and expand your understanding of things. Thanks for the actual response.

As for your opinion about me, well I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not disagree that AI art in it's current iteration is just a mesh up of already-made artwork based on instructions given, but I don't think you're reading my posts thoroughly and understanding what I'm saying.


I'm more interested in how this develops, not how it is right now. The thing I envision is something that allows you to illustrate things with only your mind, and I'm not talking about mixing up things already made before but technology that truly enables you to illustrate something from nothing using only your mind, without any other tool present.

This is what I think you don't understand about what I'm saying I don't think AI art is anything special in it's current state and as it is art generated by AI is glaringly worse than any traditional art or digital art made by humans.

I don't think you should even be worried about this iteration of this technology because all it does right now is mesh up things that have already been made by other people as far as I understand it, and this really can't compete with human art. I'm more interested in where it's going.


But then of course, you have this tremendous negative bias towards me and assume the worst intentions. This isn't a celebration of AI art in it's current state but a speculation on this technology's future potential as a tool for creating art.

There's only so much you can do with a brush. Imagine something that can replicate your emotion, your dreams and your passion perfectly and put it into illustration that truly represents you and your psyche. I think this could exist in the future.
 

Enjoyed reading this, agreed with most of this.
But, as you said "The quality of the art isn't what sells the most either, its the value you present with that art."

If we could create an AI that would destroy the enemy for us... I would not hesitate for one second. Sure I would be sad that I could not train my warrior abilities further, but I would accomplish the objective.

And then I would go on to create AI that I could compete against, that would further develop the beast within.

Another further comparison, every gym is filled with these "soulless" weight machines instead of free weights. And yet, why is every gym filled with them?

I have personally taken the stance of Kill or be Killed.
Win or Lose. This is my fate, I accept this moment.

The Camper can afk in a corner for 20 minutes and win a fight against another who has spent 1000s of hours training.

Website creation, application development, is continually removing the extreme difficulty it took for programmers to learn and develop these skills.

Your argument is one of Ethics vs. Logic.

I am sure we would all fall at different points of this spectrum, depending on the topic.
----
Do you believe that the Gods might have technology that can read their thoughts and instantly create an Image exactly as they want it to look?

This seems to me to be an extremely important technology to develop. Specifically what comes to mind is Architects and Engineers having this type of technology.
 
Bravera said:
Another further comparison, every gym is filled with these "soulless" weight machines instead of free weights. And yet, why is every gym filled with them?
Lol, look harder. Plenty of gyms have free weight areas. Besides, those machines can be decent training. Like the cable machine.
 
Bone Dust said:
Today, however, by being allied to this monstrosity and hand waving our concerns away, you are thereby effectively attacking the artistic integrity of others with reckless disregard for our collective passion. That includes musicians, actors and writers.

"You have no respect for the art. You're a disgrace to the art."

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E62iA6KCIQ
 
Dahaarkan said:
Bone Dust said:
Dahaarkan said:
[...] instructing an advanced AI to create something based on someone else's imagination [...]

Ho? You want to laugh it off and insult me? Do you have any idea what I've been doing these last three years? I've been watching you and a bunch of others shit up this place on and off every week and every month and I sat there, silently venting over a bunch of inhumane and unfair crap that was said over the years, I still held myself down while meditating 4-6 hours a day, every single day, I never stopped.

Besides the fact that I take my enormous time when I write replies. I like to be as detailed as possible to show my argument. If i spent all day, every day like some of you do on the forums, I wouldn't just have no time to meditate, i wouldn't have time to appreciate what little life has left to offer me. So yes I need the break, the drama you and others bring to these golden halls is suffocating me and harming my relationship with Satan. I don't want to feel that negativity ever again, so if i have to actually sit down and reason with you why, of all the people in this forum, I sincerely dislike you the most. That's because I want the point to be seen, not just by you, but by those you are harming with your behavior.

Do you know why I don't bother to voice my opinion on most matters? Because I am a very upfront and argumentative person with a lot of imagination. I don't have very kind things to say to a lot of people here, and I also don't want to get in the way either. My restraint is with good intent and with Satan in mind. This action has taught me some measure of patience and to trust some, less others. Maybe some self-restraint would do you good too?

Today, however, by being allied to this monstrosity and hand waving our concerns away, you are thereby effectively attacking the artistic integrity of others with reckless disregard for our collective passion. That includes musicians, actors and writers. These are all being automated too in eventuality. By welcoming this affront to humanity, you are insulting a whole swathe of people with your callous and total disrespect for the effort it took for them to reach their levels. You demonstrate that you would sooner kiss jewish ass in a VR AI stimulation cuck pod than motivate your brothers and sisters in Satan to reach better artistic heights, regardless of what they choose to pursue art in, with reason of course.

You certainly wouldn't have been batting away any of the other responses that went against your ideals of being meritless and of laziness, assuming you we're planning to be honest about authentic art in any capacity, you weren't. After all that might explain why you have no concept of the differences between what amounts to a pointliner on a piece of paper and a glorified rgb-light-spinning photocopying machine (BRRRRRRRRR): in other words you don't know what the creative process is or is about.

Like every other normie out there, you are too dazzled by the wording of the program "artifical intelligence". It's not, you input a prompt and it lifts up an algorithm that sources instructions from a library of stolen artwork. Yes, some of us are aspiring artists and/or professional artists and this absolutely affects us. Instead of discussing ways to combat or go around this corrosion, you very clearly would rather directly attack the creative drive and spirit of SS by posting this jewish cringe. Saying that we are unreasonable for finding any discomfort in any of it.

No amount of auto-generated word salads, synthetic imagery or beeps and boops that derive from HUMAN WORK AND PASSION will ever match up logically, emotionally or spiritually, not even to a fucking banana strapped to a wall: ie show YOUR work, not the work of OTHERS (or of a lifeless, soulless automaton). Writers still write, musicians still make music and artists will still make art. Theirs will always have a derivative value, either monetarily or often for nostalgic purposes. The quality of the art isn't what sells the most either, its the value you present with that art.

You like fallout? See this example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tXzbCVL8Q8
The artwork here is helping evoke what the music is about. Without our memory, experiences and to an extent our imagination (read: the person, not the machine), the sounds that evoke old 80's nostalgia would be an elusive idea to us and so it wouldn't make much sense. This is what gives meaning to this visual art and that specific genre of music. That then becomes a value to those who feel nostalgic about this specific brand of music or brand of art (old movie posters for example). This value is then attached to the art itself which is what helps it be spread everywhere or be bought by people who find an incentive to invest in that piece of art.

That is usually the reason why good artists can and can't make money and inversily bad artists can and can't make money. It just depends on their timing and how they present their material, what are they trying to communicate? What are they trying to evoke? The jewish corporations funding this attack on human emotion are doing this to streamline their production pipeline, their customers are deranged normies who can't put the phone down from gacha games and they need to sell more easily produced anime "waifus". This was never about "artistic freedom", just pure jewish greed masked under "technological advancement" shared freely to blow competition out of the water, they don't care if its easily produced and neither do their customers. Calarts wasnt working out, its time to stupidify high fidelity.

This AI ART software, that you call a "tool" simply takes away the ceiling of quality, bringing it back down beneath ground zero, into the gutter, reducing any potential that level of skill had to almost nothing. Because now everyone can just copy paste someone's work by mixing and matching someone else's work together into an unholy abomination. You are literally, either accidentally or willingly, vouching for the destruction of artistic authenticity. Artistic authenticity also is a layer of truth about seeking to become a better version of yourself, in this case, artistically. You'd want to strive to reach that level of artistic capability and you'd look up to the more capable artists. Just like how we look up to the gods and strive to reach their heights. You are now removing (or at least promoting the removal of) that from the table and making an already almost entirely sterile humanity suck even more ass than it could possibly suck at. At least, regarding art.

Printing/copying with an automaton labeled "ai" will just destroy the value of high visual fidelity (at first, then the rest as it becomes "better"). But don't worry because all of your complaints about artists making art you don't find "truly artistic" will become meaningless, because now there's just going to be even more of that garbage, everywhere. While the artists that stay take the time to evolve around this roadblock, you will be engrossed in this judaized world of synthetic sensories that mean ultimately nothing of true value to humanity. When you see someone tell you that ai wont replace human art, this is what they refer to in concept.

This notion that old artists supposedly would have been using such a "tool" to do their art is totally twisted, lets assume that's the case and they ONLY have access to AI ART (as it is now on 11/16/2022) and nothing else, that means they know art as traditional painting. You ignore the current reality that everyone can now do this for free at no cost or merit (besides having a decent gpu for rendering time). Which means that in such a fairy-tale setting of yours, the old artist would cease to be relevant, nobody would have displayed his art today (historically) and nobody would have fucking cared. Do you know why nobody would have cared back then, like today? Because most people are extremely shallow and most people want to survive, they would have stolen their ideas and made it impossible for the old artist to be recognized due to all the noise (productions) created by everyone else, you know since its "MoRe AcCeSsIbLe".

This would be an artist's tool if it allowed you, the artist (a person), to be able to modify it into speeding up your pipeline with strictly your own art. But instead of this happening, artists are having their work being put inside the program's library (with each new release of SD for example its growing at an alarming rate) without their consent and now anyone who uses this are at huge copyright risks. Any potential you are aspiring to with this "tool" is therefor instantly lost. Its just a glorified photocopier that will get thrown into the copyright landfill, where it belongs. If they make a version where they let you designate where it forks the art from (so you compile strictly your own art and fork others at your own risk inside your own "ai" art tool or don't be a cheating scumbag) then I will be in agreement that it can be a useful tool for the artist.

But now i need you to stop dreaming about this false reality and wake up to the fact that this is not happening. Especially because you have to factor something really important, you and i are not the only people alive and aware of this tool and you and I (well i dont know about you) might be honest about our intentions, they are not. So unless there are stringent regulations for this (which is coming and many communities and websites ban ai art for obvious reasons that shouldn't be lost on anyone), this is going to blow up in everyone's faces who are using this with the intent to resell the work of others. Deservingly so, either way it goes for allowing this to exist.

We're supposed to alleviate our addictions, not make them worse by relying on automatons to create our passions for us to experience. You draw from the shoulder, not the robot. Pen and Paper -> Tablet -> Self-Control. THAT is the difference. You should be inspiring others to do art, not tell them their progress is fruitless because your coomer friends showed you AI ART "will replace artists" and then laugh at anyone who feels any ounce of discomfort over this.

You basically pretended to feign interest in a discussion about art so that you could spew your pre-packaged nonsense that came from degenerates on 4chan/reddit/twitter (the asshole of the internet). Open your web browser and type "ai art theft", educate yourself and stop trying to convince me this jewish pipe dream is anything but another facet of corrosion on society.

This attempt to cloak this thread under the veneer of ostensibly seeking for a mature discussion about AI "art" which is just a derivative of literal thieves and coomers running around damaging authentic art as a whole is absolutely the most disgusting and vile thing i have ever seen someone post on this entire forum. You can pretend you are the authority on this subject all you want with your lame bait drama, but its not fooling me at all and I see right through you, troll.

We are not thieves here.




Peace.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some links of relevant interest :
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/16/1059598/this-artist-is-dominating-ai-generated-art-and-hes-not-happy-about-it/
https://kotaku.com/ai-generated-art-ban-anime-convention-los-angeles-1849788219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HAsaDwzrI
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2022/10/thief-steals-genshin-impact-fan-art-using-ai-demands-credit-from-creator/
https://kotaku.com/ai-art-dall-e-midjourney-stable-diffusion-copyright-1849388060
https://news.yahoo.com/getty-images-ai-generated-content-ban-153337930.html
https://www.techspot.com/community/topics/ai-generated-images-are-drawing-bans-from-some-art-communities.276995/
https://mindmatters.ai/2019/10/why-ai-art-is-not-art/

Yeah I have to laugh at you because it's the only way to get you to actually voice your opinion. There's a reason you don't see me replying much to people in agreement because what actually interests me is conversation with people of differing views, this is how you learn more about things and expand your understanding of things. Thanks for the actual response.

As for your opinion about me, well I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not disagree that AI art in it's current iteration is just a mesh up of already-made artwork based on instructions given, but I don't think you're reading my posts thoroughly and understanding what I'm saying.


I'm more interested in how this develops, not how it is right now. The thing I envision is something that allows you to illustrate things with only your mind, and I'm not talking about mixing up things already made before but technology that truly enables you to illustrate something from nothing using only your mind, without any other tool present.

This is what I think you don't understand about what I'm saying I don't think AI art is anything special in it's current state and as it is art generated by AI is glaringly worse than any traditional art or digital art made by humans.

I don't think you should even be worried about this iteration of this technology because all it does right now is mesh up things that have already been made by other people as far as I understand it, and this really can't compete with human art. I'm more interested in where it's going.


But then of course, you have this tremendous negative bias towards me and assume the worst intentions. This isn't a celebration of AI art in it's current state but a speculation on this technology's future potential as a tool for creating art.

There's only so much you can do with a brush. Imagine something that can replicate your emotion, your dreams and your passion perfectly and put it into illustration that truly represents you and your psyche. I think this could exist in the future.

I'm someone who tried at art and almost always failed. I don't have much talent in it mechanically, I lack the patience to practice when I don't see progress after drawing circles and lines all day, and other challenges I guess (probably Mercury related). I have a slight interest in the future of this because I've always had a LOT of ideas growing up, things I wanted to project from my mind into the world to share. I'm really good with ideas and inspiration. I have these good ideas all the time, but can't really do anything with them so I think a future development of this technology could really help me.

Also props to you for ignoring the attacks while addressing the right things. It's very mature. At least Bone Dust got to vent and get it off their chest I suppose, but I hope they don't leave. If anything they should open up more often. Being quiet and reserved isn't doing them any good.
 
I approve of it. It helps people with wild imaginations like me to manifest their creations in an easy way.
 
Nameless One said:
Henu the Great said:
Ai can't replace Human made art because Ai lacks consciousness, thus art by it will always remain inferior.

ai-art-stonetoss-comic.png


(Yes, the duct taped banana passing off as "art" is real)
Yeahhh... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Yeah... I can feel... so much emotion and... depth... and deep, deep emotions coming from the ba-nnannaa. I need a tissue. weeps
 
I wouldn't go as far as Bone Dust as personally I don't really care if some AI algorithm reformulates my art in theory, nor do I think most internet artists as it stands are worthy of any specific praise. There are a lot of creative possibilities with this as with any other tool.

However... the idea that my art could be homogenized without consent into some NFT for Zuckerberg as 'his art' to sell for 1,000,000 dollars each is absolutely repulsive. Anyone who thinks this isn't coming a mile off is naive, especially when the enemy are grooming large sections of Gen Alpha to accept this via their usual 'metaverse', cuckflix and parasocial relationship garbage since birth. Deviantart has already loaded their entire database into the AI program without consulting anyone. Google and the others are next.

Historically it was absolutely impossible for the enemy to create any painting of value as painting communicates something about the soul more directly than anything else, which is why they strictly controlled the art world via the church, then infested 'modern art' and photography instead. Now they come one step closer to parasitizing Gentile genius.

The lack of willingness to engage with the process and devaluing how hard art is supposed to be is the other problem. It's cool that you can put your imagination on paper more easily. Just be careful that when everything is automated and the one staring back in the street becomes more and more Grey-like that you don't regret it.

After all, the ability to conjure any kind of aforesaid 'degenerate pornography' on video with a click of a finger out of convenience and laziness did nothing bad to humanity and nothing bad even to SS who complain about these problems, some of whom (especially the youngest bombarded with this since they were kids) can't even approach a woman because their mind is so porn-addled, anxiety-ridden and dopamine-dependent. It's definitely not atrophying one of the elements for a baseline existence.

I can already guess people will point out art is a 'luxury' whereas sex is a need. Hitler was an artist. Venus things, things that generally denote the higher areas of life you have to work and struggle for and receive critique from others (sex just as much as art), are very much trod on these days. People are Gods in their own minds, don't you dare forget it.

Symptoms of this such as the unhinged environmentalists throwing shit onto paintings, especially out of endless empathy for the lazy, ugly, 'godly' and 'suffering' (certainly not the planet), will one day learn to regret this severely. It's not any different to xians carving their ugly cross into beautiful statues, or pisslam banning art altogether out of resentment. Or the 'modern artists' ruining art in the first place by pushing subhumanity and laziness to the fore like le funny cucktoss joke.
 
My opinions: Do whatever want with it like referencing or if it's your code and you want to share what your code did(for programming resume purposes) but DO NOT FUCKING POST WHATEVER THE FUCK THE COMPUTER DID AND GO SAY "OOOH MMIII GOOOOSH GOIZ I DRUUUU DIZZZ PICTURRRR HARR DARRR!!!"
 
Karnonnos said:
I wouldn't go as far as Bone Dust as personally I don't really care if some AI algorithm reformulates my art in theory, nor do I think most internet artists as it stands are worthy of any specific praise. There are a lot of creative possibilities with this as with any other tool.

However... the idea that my art could be homogenized without consent into some NFT for Zuckerberg as 'his art' to sell for 1,000,000 dollars each is absolutely repulsive. Anyone who thinks this isn't coming a mile off is naive, especially when the enemy are grooming large sections of Gen Alpha to accept this via their usual 'metaverse', cuckflix and parasocial relationship garbage since birth. Deviantart has already loaded their entire database into the AI program without consulting anyone. Google and the others are next.

Historically it was absolutely impossible for the enemy to create any painting of value as painting communicates something about the soul more directly than anything else, which is why they strictly controlled the art world via the church, then infested 'modern art' and photography instead. Now they come one step closer to parasitizing Gentile genius.

The lack of willingness to engage with the process and devaluing how hard art is supposed to be is the other problem. It's cool that you can put your imagination on paper more easily. Just be careful that when everything is automated and the one staring back in the street becomes more and more Grey-like that you don't regret it.

After all, the ability to conjure any kind of aforesaid 'degenerate pornography' on video with a click of a finger out of convenience and laziness did nothing bad to humanity and nothing bad even to SS who complain about these problems, some of whom (especially the youngest bombarded with this since they were kids) can't even approach a woman because their mind is so porn-addled, anxiety-ridden and dopamine-dependent. It's definitely not atrophying one of the elements for a baseline existence.

I can already guess people will point out art is a 'luxury' whereas sex is a need. Hitler was an artist. Venus things, things that generally denote the higher areas of life you have to work and struggle for and receive critique from others (sex just as much as art), are very much trod on these days. People are Gods in their own minds, don't you dare forget it.

Symptoms of this such as the unhinged environmentalists throwing shit onto paintings, especially out of endless empathy for the lazy, ugly, 'godly' and 'suffering' (certainly not the planet), will one day learn to regret this severely. It's not any different to xians carving their ugly cross into beautiful statues, or pisslam banning art altogether out of resentment. Or the 'modern artists' ruining art in the first place by pushing subhumanity and laziness to the fore like le funny cucktoss joke.

I understand your argument and concerns. For me though, art is something I seek to use to communicate ideas that can't easily be expressed through the written word. That's as far as its purpose goes for me right now, just very much utility for me. I'm not interested at this point in time in the Venus and Neptune side of things with art (as much as I love and adore Venus things), at least for what I personally want to accomplish with art. It's not about expressing higher, deeper things. More business and basic consciousness related things, transmission, and perhaps Uranian type stuff. That's why I personally had an interest in this concept because it would help me to facilitate and more easily accomplish my goals. I definitely appreciate higher art though and enjoy being a connoisseur of such. I would love to see a return of Baroque style art in society, and I miss that time after the jews were expelled and Gentiles were allowed to be rich and indulgent again, and it was normal to see well to do Gentiles living in Victorian style mansions. Good times. Everything always gets better when jews aren't around.

I suspect a difference of perspective is also at play here. Some are concerning themselves with the consequences related to jews and how they will turn the technology negative. Others like myself are thinking beyond the jews when they don't influence our society anymore. It's the difference in mindset between "we have to counter the enemy" and "what does the future hold?" One is more reactionary and cautious, and the other is just positive thinking and speculation.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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