NakedPluto said:

Develop a deeper trance and don't focus so much on trying but being only aware during the deep trance. The hearing of said things will come naturally. It is not on a watchful alerted state of being, but a detached passive state.

You don't concentrate to hear or to want to hear, it will only stimulate an alertness, rather you let yourself deepen in the awareness, knowing what your aim is.

Or when you talk to a God, you concentrate on the connection, on the God very much, not on your particular instrument such as visualisation or hearing. You don't focus on the organ, neither on its function, but the use of it, the situation in itself, the task.

Example, you want to hear the thoughts of people, you focus on awareness, expansion, subtlety, space. You focus on the meditation itself. This can be done by expanding the field of the 6th chakra.


Hope I made sense.

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gwton said:

So, I've been trying to work on my astral sense for some time, even before finding JoS. Currently what I do is try to focus and give extra attention to the 3rd eye/temple chakras, plus now also the smaller chakras listed on the "clairaudience points" page.

And for a while now, if I sit and focus... I can kind of "hear" some sounds that have the cadence of speech, but I can't make out any words. It's almost like the murmur of a crowd of people talking, except I can't pick anything out. Every once in a while a word or short phrase will pop into my head, and when it does it's in the same "space" as my own internal voice, but it doesn't sound like my internal voice. Sometimes the snippets I catch are positive, like "proud of you", "you'll be fine". And other times they are definitely not positive, "disapointed", "you'll die" etc, etc.

For now, I just ignore it all since it's not really useful, but I guess my question is: does this represent progress? Or is it just imagination/stress/etc? And how do you tell the two apart? Is this something that just becomes obvious with more practice?
Thanks!

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CaspianTheDreamer said:

NakedPluto said:

Develop a deeper trance and don't focus so much on trying but being only aware during the deep trance. The hearing of said things will come naturally. It is not on a watchful alerted state of being, but a detached passive state.

You don't concentrate to hear or to want to hear, it will only stimulate an alertness, rather you let yourself deepen in the awareness, knowing what your aim is.

Or when you talk to a God, you concentrate on the connection, on the God very much, not on your particular instrument such as visualisation or hearing. You don't focus on the organ, neither on its function, but the use of it, the situation in itself, the task.

Example, you want to hear the thoughts of people, you focus on awareness, expansion, subtlety, space. You focus on the meditation itself. This can be done by expanding the field of the 6th chakra.


Hope I made sense.

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What do you think must be done for the person to be able to see, hear, touch etc. Energy, the astral world, and the entities within, without needing a deep trance? Like, seeing them even while being fully conscious.

Im guessing the answer is probably wirkung on psychic senses daily but i wanted your take as well

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NakedPluto said:

CaspianTheDreamer said:

NakedPluto said:

Develop a deeper trance and don't focus so much on trying but being only aware during the deep trance. The hearing of said things will come naturally. It is not on a watchful alerted state of being, but a detached passive state.

You don't concentrate to hear or to want to hear, it will only stimulate an alertness, rather you let yourself deepen in the awareness, knowing what your aim is.

Or when you talk to a God, you concentrate on the connection, on the God very much, not on your particular instrument such as visualisation or hearing. You don't focus on the organ, neither on its function, but the use of it, the situation in itself, the task.

Example, you want to hear the thoughts of people, you focus on awareness, expansion, subtlety, space. You focus on the meditation itself. This can be done by expanding the field of the 6th chakra.


Hope I made sense.

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What do you think must be done for the person to be able to see, hear, touch etc. Energy, the astral world, and the entities within, without needing a deep trance? Like, seeing them even while being fully conscious.

Im guessing the answer is probably wirkung on psychic senses daily but i wanted your take as well

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You can "see" but only for a fraction of a second, and only mists, spots of energy, flashes. You'd also see something that has no form or meaning, simply as it is not of this dimensional material density and space.

With light trance you can see energy, colors. With a little focus you still enter an intuitive shape "morphing", or glimpse a smaller or other aspects of something. For example in paintings you can discern situations or have full visions. But this is happening inside you, not outside.

Having deeper trance and experience, accustoming the experience the reflexes, the awareness, the counscious degree, memorizing, diving in, is the way to actually see. Or being open, surrendering to the sensorial depth. Basically meditation.

Psyhic ability, as far as I had the experience until now, stands simply in fueling (breath work, chakra work), meditation (experience and using, accumulating degrees of awareness, consciousness). Most of this comes involuntary by the above two dynamics.

Without fuel, the chakra is comatose. With energy, fuel, it can expand, it will do herself the work (blossoming). Then meditation comes to activate these inner dimensions.

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NakedPluto said:

CaspianTheDreamer said:

NakedPluto said:

Develop a deeper trance and don't focus so much on trying but being only aware during the deep trance. The hearing of said things will come naturally. It is not on a watchful alerted state of being, but a detached passive state.

You don't concentrate to hear or to want to hear, it will only stimulate an alertness, rather you let yourself deepen in the awareness, knowing what your aim is.

Or when you talk to a God, you concentrate on the connection, on the God very much, not on your particular instrument such as visualisation or hearing. You don't focus on the organ, neither on its function, but the use of it, the situation in itself, the task.

Example, you want to hear the thoughts of people, you focus on awareness, expansion, subtlety, space. You focus on the meditation itself. This can be done by expanding the field of the 6th chakra.


Hope I made sense.

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What do you think must be done for the person to be able to see, hear, touch etc. Energy, the astral world, and the entities within, without needing a deep trance? Like, seeing them even while being fully conscious.

Im guessing the answer is probably wirkung on psychic senses daily but i wanted your take as well

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You can "see" but only for a fraction of a second, and only mists, spots of energy, flashes. You'd also see something that has no form or meaning, simply as it is not of this dimensional material density and space.

With light trance you can see energy, colors. With a little focus you still enter an intuitive shape "morphing", or glimpse a smaller or other aspects of something. For example in paintings you can discern situations or have full visions. But this is happening inside you, not outside.

Having deeper trance and experience, accustoming the experience the reflexes, the awareness, the counscious degree, memorizing, diving in, is the way to actually see. Or being open, surrendering to the sensorial depth. Basically meditation.

Psyhic ability, as far as I had the experience until now, stands simply in fueling (breath work, chakra work), meditation (experience and using, accumulating degrees of awareness, consciousness). Most of this comes involuntary by the above two dynamics.

Without fuel, the chakra is comatose. With energy, fuel, it can expand, it will do herself the work (blossoming). Then meditation comes to activate these inner dimensions.

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CaspianTheDreamer said:

NakedPluto said:

CaspianTheDreamer said:

What do you think must be done for the person to be able to see, hear, touch etc. Energy, the astral world, and the entities within, without needing a deep trance? Like, seeing them even while being fully conscious.

Im guessing the answer is probably wirkung on psychic senses daily but i wanted your take as well

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You can "see" but only for a fraction of a second, and only mists, spots of energy, flashes. You'd also see something that has no form or meaning, simply as it is not of this dimensional material density and space.

With light trance you can see energy, colors. With a little focus you still enter an intuitive shape "morphing", or glimpse a smaller or other aspects of something. For example in paintings you can discern situations or have full visions. But this is happening inside you, not outside.

Having deeper trance and experience, accustoming the experience the reflexes, the awareness, the counscious degree, memorizing, diving in, is the way to actually see. Or being open, surrendering to the sensorial depth. Basically meditation.

Psyhic ability, as far as I had the experience until now, stands simply in fueling (breath work, chakra work), meditation (experience and using, accumulating degrees of awareness, consciousness). Most of this comes involuntary by the above two dynamics.

Without fuel, the chakra is comatose. With energy, fuel, it can expand, it will do herself the work (blossoming). Then meditation comes to activate these inner dimensions.

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But then again, what's the deal with reptilians and greys or even spirits and ghosts materializing before the very eyes of people who arent open at all? Especially the ones caught on camera. Im sure youve heard that lately the " shadow people " sightings are getting more and more... and yet they do have a figure like shape...

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NakedPluto said:

Develop a deeper trance and don't focus so much on trying but being only aware during the deep trance. The hearing of said things will come naturally. It is not on a watchful alerted state of being, but a detached passive state.

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sahasraraBliss666 said:

I'd like to ask, did you meditate on Clair audience points one by one individually or on all points at the same time? How long did u focused on each time? 5 mins for each?

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gwton said:

sahasraraBliss666 said:

I'd like to ask, did you meditate on Clair audience points one by one individually or on all points at the same time? How long did u focused on each time? 5 mins for each?

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Kind of all at once? I can't really feel them. The 3rd eye and temples points I can feel. My ears I can almost feel. But the others I have trouble locating, so I just kinda focus on the area in general.

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gwton said:

NakedPluto said:

Develop a deeper trance and don't focus so much on trying but being only aware during the deep trance. The hearing of said things will come naturally. It is not on a watchful alerted state of being, but a detached passive state.

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Thanks, this makes sense. I've noticed that when I try to intentionally listen, it actually feels more like I'm "enforcing a silence" in my head... which would probably only block out anything that may or may not be there. Also, now that I think about it, I only really hear the snippets when I'm doing something else. Like if I'm deep in thought about something else, or working on something. Which probably makes sense, as those are forms of trance I guess. Getting into the deeper trances is something I still need to work on, so I'll have to keep at it, thanks.

sahasraraBliss666 said:

I'd like to ask, did you meditate on Clair audience points one by one individually or on all points at the same time? How long did u focused on each time? 5 mins for each?

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Kind of all at once? I can't really feel them. The 3rd eye and temples points I can feel. My ears I can almost feel. But the others I have trouble locating, so I just kinda focus on the area in general.

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