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Water intake confusion

Stormblood

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Gear88 said:
Stormblood said:
Gear88 said:
From what I read the modern medical community is moving away from the whole 7-to-8 glasses of water a day for a healthy person. Remember just because you drink water doesn't make you healthy. There is a number of people whom medically qualify for hospitalization for dehydration even if considered normal, healthy people.

I believe the newer era medical community is mentioning half-your weight in ounces for water. For example a person weighing 200lbs especially more so if healthy exercising/body built person. 100 ounces of water or for example you weigh 155lbs so you'd drink 77.5 ounces of water. Food also hydrates about 25% of your fluid intake is food based more so with vegetables and fruits or other water-laden foods.

From some studies and flexibility teachers I read in the past, they recommend a specific amount based on your body mass too.

Using pounds, they suggest to multiply your mass by 30. The result is the amount of water you need to drink daily, in millilitres. For people in Britain, just convert. 1 stone = 14 pounds. For example, someone weighing 13 stones (=182 lbs) would need to drink 5.460 litres of water every day.

Using kilograms, you can multiply by 66. For example, someone weight 88 kg would drink 5.808 litres of water every day.

Considering this, no wonder so many people are dehydrated and inflexible. When converting to this method, one should not do it all at once. For the first week, one should record their water intake daily. From the week after, gradually increase it until the right amount is reached. Increases should be, such as 250ml or 500ml, and you should give your bladder time to get used to each increase before moving to the next increase. During the time your body start getting properly hydrated again, you will pee a lot, as water is used in detoxification. You'll know you have nearly detoxified when your pee comes out clear.

Never drink tap water, as it's unhealthy. A purifier is needed and, if you don't think you can afford it, try hard to find bottled water with a low dry residue and no fluoride. Low dry residue I'd say below 80.

In my opinion, using your method would still only feed them around slightly half the amount of water they need. I converted 100 US ounces in litres and it comes at less than 3. But I encourage people to try the difference for a time. Let's say 3-6 months.

What is certain is that water intake is vital for flexibility, among many other things. Nobody drinks 'pure' water the way the other user means it. Pure water is actually water from a spring, which actually comes with mineral salts naturally. Water being just H2O is complete BS. I would call that weakened water, rather than just water.

A flexible body spiritually translates in open and well-functioning nadih. This should be an incentive for people who are neglecting yoga.

Seems like your basically saying people should drink about a gallon if not outright more for their given weight range. Yeah it seems after a month is when things start kicking in for example some excess fats can bleed away from proper hydration. My only issue with heavy water consumption is for people who have an inconsistent meal they need to calculate when they eat and pay attention to water consumption for the fact it reduces not just the strength of the acids i.e. dilution but also fills you up reducing meal intake.

I always been under the assumption drinking excess water stresses the kidneys and overworks them. Is it good to drink such over a gallon amount like nearly two gallons in your example?

The amount of water suggested in those studies and by those flexibility is in proportion to your body, not excessive in any way.

Healthy people come in different sizes, as being tall is not that common nowadays.

Let's take for example Max Whitlock. 5'6" x 137lbs. Olympic athlete, one of the strongest men in his weight class since he does artistic gymnastics, which grants him dense muscles and exceptional body control and body awareness. He has a proportionate muscle mass. 15 gold medals in his careers, 3 of which at the Olympics. Pommel horse specialist. He would have to drink 4.110 litres.

Let's take someone unhealthy now. Ronnie Coleman. 5'11". One of the most famous bodybuilders. Disproportionate body. 300lbs, poor mobility, clogged nadih, 60" chest (*vomits*), wouldn't have won special forces pre-selection at any stage and not even made it through basic infantry training (think the endurance parts, which is most of training, not just assessments). Would need 9 litres of water. Most likely to die of organ failure or any other of the issues he collected by abusing his body. The guy is literally in a wheelchair now, which he uses for long-distances.

Both are in the average height range. The median height in developed countries is 5'10", short stature is defined as 2 standard deviations below the median, a standard deviation in height is 3". So, Max is not short by scientific standards.

One should consider that the more you weigh, the more water your body needs to keep hydrated. In the case of Coleman, who has oversized muscles, those muscles won't function properly without adequate water intake.

What is adequate intake? What is excessive intake?

Unfortunately, when it comes to this type of data, we cannot rely much on a well that has been poisoned by one-size-fits-all advice (dairy is bad, drink skimmed garbage, raw milk will make you ill, water needs to be 2L/8 glasses for everyone, fat is bad, low fat or no fat is better, everything in moderation is good, and other nonsense).

What's deficient and what's excessive needs to be redefined in light of new data and experience. Experience cannot just be you drink a US gallon a a half of water (a British gallon is different), but also needs to be followed by accurate medical examination. In this case, MRIs and other kidney exams would be useful. And spiritual sensitivity also helps on other levels.

Also, drinking during a meal is discouraged. You should drink before, filling 25% of your available stomach space. 50% is then filled by food, and 25% remains free (air). Overfilling leads to digestive issues, such as delays and so on. Depending on what you are filling it with, it may also lead to body fat gain. For example, when too many carbohydrates are eaten at once, a lot of insulin is released, converting most of it into body fat. The majority of your drinking should happen outside of meals.

What's efficient and what's excessive needs to be redefined in many fields, based on common sense. Is muscle mass detracting from mobility, flexibility or long-time endurance? Then it is excessive.

What's actually lost first when you start hydrating properly is actually water. This is because your body tends to retain more water for emergencies. When you hydrate properly, emergency water is no longer needed and is, thus, excreted.

I've drunk less than 6 litres with no issue, btw. My kidneys are fine, but you shouldn't obviously just look at me as an example. 1 case doesn't make the majority.

There are many misconceptions surrounding nutrition and fitness, and we need to bring them to the light, and correct them, which is what both you and I are trying to do here. Next myth I'll bust is that most athletes and fitness enthusiasts need a 'bulking' phase, but that's for another topic.
 
The kidneys are responsible for processing the water flow in the body. So yes, they do invest energy into processing water, but they also benefit from hydration as well. More energy is gained by the state of proper hydration than is lost by regulating the water in the body.

In a similar manner, the stomach spends energy breaking down food, but then it regains this energy afterward. If one is especially weak, they can take precautionary measures as to eat smaller meals or easier-to-digest foods. With the kidneys, one can also drink less in one sitting to reduce the strain on homeostasis.

As far as specific amounts, I no longer like to think in certain quantities of water. Instead, focus on urine color and maintain clear or yellow, perhaps using the restroom every 1.5-2hrs or so. Water requirements vary based on one's constitution and other factors that make it hard to give a strict amount. Just make a habit of consistently drinking a little bit every hour or two.

However, these things are very minor. Really, one should focus on actions that result in large increases in physical energy, such as yoga or pranayama. You may lose 10 energy from drinking too much water, but then add back 100 to the kidneys from your yoga session, for example. It is important to keep such a perspective on things, although it can be hard because we cannot always easily quantify it.
 

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