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[ALCHEMY - DAOISM] Semen Retention / No FAP

Havoc11

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I feel that this topic is very misunderstood here. That's why I'm opening a discussion about it.

In most of the Taoist alchemical texts, it is said and very clearly stated that the goal in the long run is to be able to separate orgasm from ejaculation for men, and to make the electro-magnetic energy produced by the movements of millions of spermatozoa circulate in the micro-cosmic orbit.

It is also said (and this is interesting), that women need to indulge in sex in order to open the chakras, their orgasm and conception allows the energy to automatically rise in their body. Unlike men who have to hold back (ejaculation) to make the energy go up, because it goes down automatically.

In other words, sex brings life to the woman, and death to the man, in natural conditions.

I have read a few posts here, and I see that some people go so far as to say that the No Fap movement is promoted by the Kikes. I have seen on a Kikes forum that No Fap is very badly seen, criticized and ridiculed.

All this is interesting. We end up with totally opposite points of view.

The society is hyper sexualized, men are a little held in leash by women (just look at the social networks).

Ok Christianity has blocked sex. But to which gender did it benefit the most and the least to do so? What is your opinion? :)
 
The thing is that the discipline requires a lot of dedication ,commitment and Void control. Once a man has control over his lust ,he has conquered a part of his life that is a great barrier to eradicate the negative ego.

Brahamcharya(=/= celibacy) and the sexual transmutation of energy is generally attempted after someone passes the intermediate and early advanced stages where you can intently feel the prana and the energy of the soul.

A lot of people are having problems with regular meditation and manifestation of basic requirements of life ,basic meditation goals. This discipline your talking about is Advanced Yoga. It'll take a lot of Time and understanding to get where you're saying to get.

It's not that its wrong but without maturity and understanding exactly what their trying to do ,it would only bring back Shame and Guilt.

This practice should be started when one is with a partner and is having regular sexual intercourse later in life after getting married and having kids. The Sexual part of the Negative Ego needs to be tackled after everything else not first.
 
Havok said:
In most of the Taoist alchemical texts, it is said and very clearly stated that the goal in the long run is to be able to separate orgasm from ejaculation for men, and to make the electro-magnetic energy produced by the movements of millions of spermatozoa circulate in the micro-cosmic orbit.

It is also said (and this is interesting), that women need to indulge in sex in order to open the chakras, their orgasm and conception allows the energy to automatically rise in their body. Unlike men who have to hold back (ejaculation) to make the energy go up, because it goes down automatically.

In other words, sex brings life to the woman, and death to the man, in natural conditions.

This is just a Chinese superstition. Nothing like that happens. Just because Taoists believe it doesn't mean it's true. The energy goes wherever you visualize it.

Havok said:
The society is hyper sexualized, men are a little held in leash by women (just look at the social networks).

Ok Christianity has blocked sex. But to which gender did it benefit the most and the least to do so? What is your opinion? :)

Great, another incel. The ebil wahmen hold the men in a leash and we need to become celibate MGTOW or something. It's not that many men are socially inexperienced and think if they act simpy in social media and twitch and repeat the same useless compliments (like "you look beautiful") they will get sex (it's actually the opposite). It's not that women who are promiscuous in their youth can't find anybody to marry when they are in their 30's and end up being sad and depressed while men who have sex with lots of different women are considered experienced studs and actually are more attractive when they reach their 30's or 40's. It's not like the worst thing to be in the society as a woman is a promiscuous slut while as a man is to be a virgin. No, it's just evil women who manipulate men using sex.

As to which gender benefits? It's clearly men, from what I said above. There's no dispute on that. Again, studs vs sluts. Plus, men had to court a woman and marry her to have sex with her. Now many women just give it easily so men get it for free and without needing to commit to a person.
 
Havok said:

Please see what I wrote here: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=43058&p=183442&hilit=porn#p183442
for a clearer explanation of nofap and its effects.

Remember, Taoism has been corrupted in many regards, just as other ancient texts/philosophies. Semen retention is less about death/no death for males, and more about being mindful of the body's limits and your health. As one advance, spiritually and physically, they will have more energy to support an increased outflow of semen.

In addition, learning to orgasm without ejaculation seems like a healthy workaround, as one still experiences the benefits of the orgasm, without the loss of semen. Nonetheless, a healthy individual can support a regular and decently frequent sex life, provided they have the lifestyle to back it up.
 
I know a lot of people have warned against NoFap and I don't want to seem like I'm promoting it, but I've been thinking about giving it a try. I just consistently feel like shit almost every time after I emit and I feel best when I have 5-7 days of abstinence going, I usually can't get past this though.

One of my main problems on this path has been a lack of energy, I consistently feel tired. I really just care about acquiring power in life and causing as much damage to the enemy as I possibly can, I don't want to expend energy on pursuing tangential things. I wish there was some way I could totally transmute my sex drive into surplus energy that I could use to advance, I don't think I would miss much. I'm not saying that NoFap is healthy per se, but when people here caution against it and just say "oh just raise tons of energy through other means" I'm not sure that's the most helpful advice to someone who's consistently tired from even doing minor things.

I suck at most aspects of life and I just want to condense my energy so I can focus on the two or three things that really matter. If I could press a button to forgo any future sexual pleasure in this life in exchange for having much more energy/skill for warfare, I would press it in a second. Sorry to go on a bit of a rant but this frustration has been building a while, I don't mean to derail the thread too much.
 
HailVictory88 said:
I know a lot of people have warned against NoFap and I don't want to seem like I'm promoting it, but I've been thinking about giving it a try. I just consistently feel like shit almost every time after I emit and I feel best when I have 5-7 days of abstinence going, I usually can't get past this though.

One of my main problems on this path has been a lack of energy, I consistently feel tired. I really just care about acquiring power in life and causing as much damage to the enemy as I possibly can, I don't want to expend energy on pursuing tangential things. I wish there was some way I could totally transmute my sex drive into surplus energy that I could use to advance, I don't think I would miss much. I'm not saying that NoFap is healthy per se, but when people here caution against it and just say "oh just raise tons of energy through other means" I'm not sure that's the most helpful advice to someone who's consistently tired from even doing minor things.

I suck at most aspects of life and I just want to condense my energy so I can focus on the two or three things that really matter. If I could press a button to forgo any future sexual pleasure in this life in exchange for having much more energy/skill for warfare, I would press it in a second. Sorry to go on a bit of a rant but this frustration has been building a while, I don't mean to derail the thread too much.
Do exercise regularly, and do yoga, tai chi or qi qong every day?
How is your sleep?
How is your diet?

When these are properly done, and in balance you should have no problems with energy, nor with ejaculation.

It seems you are looking for an unhealthy solution to your health related problem. Sexual release is one key component of happy and fulfilling life. Transmuting that energy is, like stated above, more than most people can do. So it would be best to have balanced view on it instead of going to some sort of extreme with that.

You could post a topic about your situation in health sub forum for help. There are few people here that can help you with their superior knowledge about health.
 
Well, I see that this topic is indeed stimulating the unconscious here.

@Jack, this is indeed what is stated in the Chia books, "cultivating male sexual energy". In fact, one must first open and circulate the Chi in the micro-cosmic orbit, before one can really attack the transmutation part of the sexual energy.

But I agree, it requires a lot of discipline. That's what I'm working on right now, on the Taoist side.

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@Rational Satanist, well you, you have taken the bait, and you go a little too far. Don't worry, I'm not an incel. It's just that I feel less and less the need to have a woman with me. But that doesn't stop me from observing society the way it is, and noticing undeniable facts. I'm not saying that we have to become MGTOW, but that men today have no sexual education (impulse control), and that's what causes decadence.

Women don't need to have this "education" so much, since it's instinctive.

Yes, I am pro-male, if that's what you want to know, and it bothers me to see men today in misery and looking for something outside, instead of inside.

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@Meteor, That's what I saw again, in Chia's book, yes, the classical position of Tantrism that will allow the energy to circulate in both orbits of the individuals. But here we are still on a two culture.


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@Blitzkreig, I read you yes. And I agree with you. In fact porn is a real weapon of mass destruction for man. Literally, it farts out the dopamine receptors, which results in a loss of testosterone (it's correlated), a loss of motivation, concentration, in short the whole thing.

According to Chia, there is even a loss of Shen energy from the upper dan tien (mental energy) which escapes through the eyes, and the crown.

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@HailVictory88, you most likely lack fire. Like me in my chart, I have 50% and some water, 40% and some earth, 5% air and 7% fire...

Do Viparita Karani Mudra every morning and evening for 10 minutes (gradually increase the duration), until you reach at least 30 minutes (or more). You will see the difference in 2 weeks. It will completely activate your solar and throat center. You will rejuvenate, lose fat, have a very active metabolism. It's just ridiculous what this posture does.

Hatha Yoga ... Qi Gong ... do PDC / Calisthenics / Hiit, it will wake you up.

Think of doing a cure for your intestines + colon (apple cider vinegar, magnesium sulfate, wormwood ...)

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To get back on topic, if you will, my goal is to self-cultivate. Clearly. I'm asking here to know if there are really people who are on this path, even if I know it's not recommended.

My sources are mainly Mantak Chia, Jerry Alan Johnson (I am following his Pa Kua Chang program)

Jerry Alan Johnson proposes a 100 day abstinence with meditation energy flow and internal transmutation (without ejaculation) with visualization. At the end, the Boom will allow the meridians to open completely. It is interesting.

I also follow Bruce Frantzis who is a master of water meditation.

Yoga, I confess, is quite disappointing. I find that there is a lot more corruption in yoga now than in Taoism. There is really more interesting information (like the different types of energies) in Taoism than in Yoga at the moment.

I'm content with my Hatha Yoga and Yin Yoga program in the evening, Yoga nidra and Satyananda's Tattwa Shuddi (even his Kundalini Tantra book is lame, except for the information about the Bindu chakra)
 
Havok said:
I feel that this topic is very misunderstood here. That's why I'm opening a discussion about it.

In most of the Taoist alchemical texts, it is said and very clearly stated that the goal in the long run is to be able to separate orgasm from ejaculation for men, and to make the electro-magnetic energy produced by the movements of millions of spermatozoa circulate in the micro-cosmic orbit.

It is also said (and this is interesting), that women need to indulge in sex in order to open the chakras, their orgasm and conception allows the energy to automatically rise in their body. Unlike men who have to hold back (ejaculation) to make the energy go up, because it goes down automatically.

In other words, sex brings life to the woman, and death to the man, in natural conditions.

I have read a few posts here, and I see that some people go so far as to say that the No Fap movement is promoted by the Kikes. I have seen on a Kikes forum that No Fap is very badly seen, criticized and ridiculed.

All this is interesting. We end up with totally opposite points of view.

The society is hyper sexualized, men are a little held in leash by women (just look at the social networks).

Ok Christianity has blocked sex. But to which gender did it benefit the most and the least to do so? What is your opinion? :)



I have tried semen retention for 40 days in past
It changes nothing except that the semen looks thin
If someone proceeds with long no fap
Say months to years , he will become infertile
This is analogous to plaster bound limb
If it is not used for long time the limb atrophies

What these nofap retards preach is hold semen inside will give some superpowers as you lose energy when ejaculating, well in that case intersex people would be super strong like gods
As they can't ever cum. Or those who lost both legs in an accident as the legs would consume a million times more energy than producing semen.

You cannot even imagine the extent of corruption in texts , NOTHING can be trusted
There are texts like khechri vidya and bhut damar tantra which promote drinking own urine and cutting down tongue for spiritual growth
Also Garuda purana which states if u getting blowjob's,after death u will be boiled in cookers full of semen

Just look at all these no fappers,celibates
Vivekananda died at 39
And others too died way early
Swami ramakrishna parmhansa
Ramana maharishi all died early of cancers
Because they practiced corrupted spirituality

Simple concepts are given too much hype
Simple Om chanting is said to give all powers
Bullshit

And regarding porn
U should never watch porn because
We see it in third person , when we cum we attract more of the same things we see on video
Because of law of attraction
We attract seeing sex in 3rd person
Instead use your imagination and see the woman in first person
If u see it in third person the quickest method to manifest it would be to see it again in 3rd person
So it forms a loop
Instead visualise yourself in 1st person doing it
 
Retaining and suppressing your sexual desire and prolonged abstinence are extremely harmful and it creates blockages in your base chakras, hips and sacrum.
 
Wotanwarrior said:
Retaining and suppressing your sexual desire and prolonged abstinence are extremely harmful and it creates blockages in your base chakras, hips and sacrum.

Yes, you are just repeating what people say here.

But have you at least tried to get the energy and pressure flowing, with the scrotal / testicular breathing given by Chia and others? Or do the 6th Tibetan rite which consists in doing a standing uddiyana bandha to force the energy and pressure to rise.

On the Runic Yoga side, Siegfrield Adolph Kummer (National Socialist) gives a method which consists in doing the UR pose, chanting, then straightening up in IS-Rune and visualizing the energy concentrated in the sacrum and then going up the spine to the head.

Abstinence and solitary cultivation are not about suppression, but transmutation. I feel like that's what's very misunderstood here. People think it's all about staying clean without any breathing exercise / transmutation.
 
Havok said:
Siegfrield Adolph Kummer (National Socialist)
What are you talking about? He literally fled Germany to avoid the National Socialists.
 
Aquarius said:
Havok said:
Siegfrield Adolph Kummer (National Socialist)
What are you talking about? He literally fled Germany to avoid the National Socialists.

For what reasons?

I know he was in conflict with Wiligut's vision. But otherwise he brought the same Armanian runic system developed by Guido Von List, and which originated in the new Futhark or Scandinavian Futhark, which in the end is not so new.
 
Aquarius said:
Havok said:
Siegfrield Adolph Kummer (National Socialist)
What are you talking about? He literally fled Germany to avoid the National Socialists.

His teachings are corrupt, just like other similar systems such as Adulruna that what they do is mix the runes with Hebrew elements, just see images like this.

220px-HeilageRunenmachtOLD.jpg
 
Havok said:
Aquarius said:
Havok said:
Siegfrield Adolph Kummer (National Socialist)
What are you talking about? He literally fled Germany to avoid the National Socialists.

For what reasons?

I know he was in conflict with Wiligut's vision. But otherwise he brought the same Armanian runic system developed by Guido Von List, and which originated in the new Futhark or Scandinavian Futhark, which in the end is not so new.
Go do your own research, you literally spread misinformation that can be debunked with a trip on google.
 
Wotanwarrior said:
Aquarius said:
Havok said:
Siegfrield Adolph Kummer (National Socialist)
What are you talking about? He literally fled Germany to avoid the National Socialists.

His teachings are corrupt, just like other similar systems such as Adulruna that what they do is mix the runes with Hebrew elements, just see images like this.

220px-HeilageRunenmachtOLD.jpg

It is precisely this book that I have with Thorsson, and Spiesberger (who is also quite dubious).

It's really a pity that there is very little uncorrupted information about the concrete use of runes with asanas, mudras etc...

Runes is a system that really fascinates me. All the symbolism of the world is in the runes.

I have not studied the Adulruna system. But I have studied Karlsson's Uthark. Even if he does make the link with Adulruna, I found that from an alchemical point of view (Carl Jung), putting Fehu last (the tamed ox, the achievement), and Uruz (original Chaos) first made much more sense than the classical Futhark.
 
Regular orgasm is important and as I understand it, semen will come out in the urine if not ejaculated, and also during sleep eventually.

Having a lot of sex can make one tired and I remember an article about newly in love couples who have too much sex and end up being tired couchpotatoes, similar to porn addicts who masturbate everyday.
The level of energy a person has is not only related to this though. Excercise, sleep, nutrition etc. plays in.

One argument from "No fappers" is that the motivational drive and ability to get a real woman goes down if a man masturbates, especially if it's in front of porn.
It's always good to have as much energy as possible when approaching women so I think it's sort of a valid argument, for the ability anyway.

The way I see it porn addiction is very rooted in insecurity, lonelyness, having no occupation etc. It's more of a symptome than cause.
 

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