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Magic for Getting sexual fetishes in reality.

Satanfire666

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Vibrate Gebo 108 + color red on the girl.

Using gebo with red means that it will get you the passionat love aspect of red, because gebo rule over love and sex and unwanted obligations, you could also use it on girlfriend or wife to get a blowjob or anal because anal is forbiden in islam even for married people, well blowjobs are another story but they are not forbbiden, this may work with extreme things too, just don't harm yourself or others.


You could also use gebo with red on yourself with an affirmation to attract unlimitied taboo sex and romantic love adventures but in a postitive and healthy way for your existince. You could also use it to attract married women and make them divorce with thier husbands. But the last one is risky on the long term unless if you know how to deal with the counsequneses.


Note: if you have a fetish and you don't satisfy it you will not advance at all.

Thank you. :mrgreen:
 
Satanfire666 said:
Vibrate Gebo 108 + color red on the girl.

Using gebo with red means that it will get you the passionat love aspect of red, because gebo rule over love and sex and unwanted obligations, you could also use it on girlfriend or wife to get a blowjob or anal because anal is forbiden in islam even for married people, well blowjobs are another story but they are not forbbiden, this may work with extreme things too, just don't harm yourself or others.


You could also use gebo with red on yourself with an affirmation to attract unlimitied taboo sex and romantic love adventures but in a postitive and healthy way for your existince. You could also use it to attract married women and make them divorce with thier husbands. But the last one is risky on the long term unless if you know how to deal with the counsequneses.


Note: if you have a fetish and you don't satisfy it you will not advance at all.

Thank you. :mrgreen:

Fuck all this stuff just do a working to find someone of a similar nature to you and that is into stuff you are. This isn't Islam either. This kind of sounds like a violation of free will. Ok if someone you know used to be into something you really like go for it they will probably really enjoy this too since it's often hang ups that make people different these days so your working will probably help them in other ways but if they are not and never were this is a violation of free will and should not be done. I don't think using magick to make people do things they don't want to is cool. Neither is forcing someone to divorce someone or cheat with you.

I am not saying having a fetish is bad btw either most Scorpio people do just that free will should be respected.
 
"The Girl"? Non-monogamous/non-monoamourous & non-heterosexuality also exist and are also Natural.
 
FancyMancy said:
"The Girl"? Non-monogamous/non-monoamourous & non-heterosexuality also exist and are also Natural.

Calm down. i just gave an example.. If Your gay/lesbian/bi/trans you could do whatever you want.
 
Meteor said:
Satanfire666 said:
Note: if you have a fetish and you don't satisfy it you will not advance at all.

I believe fetishes are caused by underlying mental problems and tend to act as a powerful coping mechanism. In my experience, certain fetishes disappeared when I overcame the underlying issues that caused them. I don't think it's uncommon for that to happen, therefore I think just meditating and solving the issues that the fetish stems from is also a fine way to advance.
If the underlying issue cannot be overcome, then perhaps there is truth in your words. However, I think any mental problem can be overcome in Satanism, so long as one wants to overcome it.

On a side note, I don't think wanting a blowjob counts as a fetish... I think a bit of variation here and there to spice things up is perfectly healthy, so long as it's hygienic and safe. But if you want something like that, then perhaps you should also offer doing something that's pleasurable for your partner in return. Otherwise it may be a bit one-sided, I think.


Yeah i like doing cunnilingus too, but here in saudi arabia many women disagree on oral sex just to know because they think it came from the west lol
 
Meteor said:
Satanfire666 said:
Note: if you have a fetish and you don't satisfy it you will not advance at all.

I believe fetishes are caused by underlying mental problems and tend to act as a powerful coping mechanism. In my experience, certain fetishes disappeared when I overcame the underlying issues that caused them. I don't think it's uncommon for that to happen, therefore I think just meditating and solving the issues that the fetish stems from is also a fine way to advance.
If the underlying issue cannot be overcome, then perhaps there is truth in your words. However, I think any mental problem can be overcome in Satanism, so long as one wants to overcome it.

On a side note, I don't think wanting a blowjob counts as a fetish... I think a bit of variation here and there to spice things up is perfectly healthy, so long as it's hygienic and safe. But if you want something like that, then perhaps you should also offer doing something that's pleasurable for your partner in return. Otherwise it may be a bit one-sided, I think.

Fetishes are not bad all the time. I believe it was said before by several even the Gods did some things some times.

The thing is yes a fetish can have a negative meaning and reason. But it also could have a positive complex behind it too. Like someone associates something with being spiritual or being more free or something or more natural or something familiar from early life or a past life. Especially for cancer. If some scent especially in my experience (maybe even an inscence or perfume) or some item or something is really familiar they may find it sexual too. However in a negative sense maybe this sign seems to be attracted to things dealing with childhood. This could go wrong (in a degenerate world or bad things) or not be bad at all. It deals with the mothering instinct and having children etc. I did notice this and want to comment on it. Scorpio too that is a sign obviously attracted to fetishes some of them can be more darker or even bsdm but not all the time or they just like being kinky. In fact I am sure here there are a lot of people attracted to people being more natural in some way because in the ancient times this was the way people were and it could end up as a fetish this obviously isn't bad. I won't go through all signs but all of them do have fetishes sometimes. Sagittarius would be doing stuff outdoors or in the forest or the knees legs etc. Take time to read through any astrology site I don't think this stuff is bad unless it is degenerate or hurts someone or has a negative mindset behind it. Some things may be impossible to do without a negative or enemy mindset these are things to stay away from and work to not be attracted too but not all stuff is bad.

Fetishes dont always have to be negative. It is only negative if it is something that hurts someone or is using some mental complex that is bad or of the enemy.

If the mental complex behind a fetish is positive no amount of healing will change it fully but if negative working to overcome it will likely make it go away.
 
Meteor said:
Could you give some examples of fetishes with purely positive mental complexes behind them?

I usually use the word "fetish" to refer to sexual preferences I deem unnatural (so not caused by a person's astrology, but rather things like trauma and complexes), and consider other sexual preferences and things people like to just be a normal and natural part of their sexuality. "Fetish" has a bit of a negative connotation to it imo; kind of like calling something a disorder. I don't like labelling everything that's a bit unusual in such a way.
Fetish does not need to be negative.

I like women with their socks or shoes on while doing it. How negative is that, huh?
 
Meteor said:
slyscorpion said:
Meteor said:
I believe fetishes are caused by underlying mental problems and tend to act as a powerful coping mechanism. In my experience, certain fetishes disappeared when I overcame the underlying issues that caused them. I don't think it's uncommon for that to happen, therefore I think just meditating and solving the issues that the fetish stems from is also a fine way to advance.
If the underlying issue cannot be overcome, then perhaps there is truth in your words. However, I think any mental problem can be overcome in Satanism, so long as one wants to overcome it.

On a side note, I don't think wanting a blowjob counts as a fetish... I think a bit of variation here and there to spice things up is perfectly healthy, so long as it's hygienic and safe. But if you want something like that, then perhaps you should also offer doing something that's pleasurable for your partner in return. Otherwise it may be a bit one-sided, I think.

Fetishes are not bad all the time. I believe it was said before by several even the Gods did some things some times.

The thing is yes a fetish can have a negative meaning and reason. But it also could have a positive complex behind it too. Like someone associates something with being spiritual or being more free or something or more natural or something familiar from early life or a past life. Especially for cancer. If some scent especially in my experience (maybe even an inscence or perfume) or some item or something is really familiar they may find it sexual too. However in a negative sense maybe this sign seems to be attracted to things dealing with childhood. This could go wrong (in a degenerate world or bad things) or not be bad at all. It deals with the mothering instinct and having children etc. I did notice this and want to comment on it. Scorpio too that is a sign obviously attracted to fetishes some of them can be more darker or even bsdm but not all the time or they just like being kinky. In fact I am sure here there are a lot of people attracted to people being more natural in some way because in the ancient times this was the way people were and it could end up as a fetish this obviously isn't bad. I won't go through all signs but all of them do have fetishes sometimes. Sagittarius would be doing stuff outdoors or in the forest or the knees legs etc. Take time to read through any astrology site I don't think this stuff is bad unless it is degenerate or hurts someone or has a negative mindset behind it. Some things may be impossible to do without a negative or enemy mindset these are things to stay away from and work to not be attracted too but not all stuff is bad.

Fetishes dont always have to be negative. It is only negative if it is something that hurts someone or is using some mental complex that is bad or of the enemy.

If the mental complex behind a fetish is positive no amount of healing will change it fully but if negative working to overcome it will likely make it go away.

Could you give some examples of fetishes with purely positive mental complexes behind them?

I usually use the word "fetish" to refer to sexual preferences I deem unnatural (so not caused by a person's astrology, but rather things like trauma and complexes), and consider other sexual preferences and things people like to just be a normal and natural part of their sexuality. "Fetish" has a bit of a negative connotation to it imo; kind of like calling something a disorder. I don't like labelling everything that's a bit unusual in such a way.

Well only to people that are a little programmed still does it purely mean negative. Ok the examples can go to just about anything and everything with this. Let's say someone likes the knees of someone and their knees being rubbed or licking the knees of someone. May be weird but not harmful and I heard of this one before or someone likes peoples feet (that is a more pieces one) and gets aroused in some way over this. Or someone likes eating food off someone in their sexual areas that's a fetish also common is people liking the natural scent of others or being rubbed and touched physically or anything dealing with the physical senses (capricorn). I am not going to name anything here anyone may find controversial cause I don't mean to start an argument but these are some of the more basic ones.

These all would be considered fetishes by many. None of these are harmful.

I think people need to get some of the Jewish porn ideals out of their head with this yeah a lot of that is really bad but it's being pushed it's an instinct to like certain things like this that is a fetish. I can't name one person who doesn't have something that turns them on or they like.

Even some of the more Jewish or controversial stuff if it had a positive instinct behind it or natural instinct behind it I don't judge at all. However I know most the time it doesn't.

To be honest for the most part as long as it's not race mixing something to do with children or animals or something that hurts people badly/is non consenting the Gods don't care in my experience. Maybe some of them even like it themselves you never know :lol:

But anyways it's not enemy to have fetishes it's enemy what some of the fetishes are that are pushed. Such as degrading someone making people into animals rape fantasys I could go on.
That is the stuff we need to do away with not fetishes themselves as they are actually natural.
 
Meteor said:
slyscorpion said:
Meteor said:
I believe fetishes are caused by underlying mental problems and tend to act as a powerful coping mechanism. In my experience, certain fetishes disappeared when I overcame the underlying issues that caused them. I don't think it's uncommon for that to happen, therefore I think just meditating and solving the issues that the fetish stems from is also a fine way to advance.
If the underlying issue cannot be overcome, then perhaps there is truth in your words. However, I think any mental problem can be overcome in Satanism, so long as one wants to overcome it.

On a side note, I don't think wanting a blowjob counts as a fetish... I think a bit of variation here and there to spice things up is perfectly healthy, so long as it's hygienic and safe. But if you want something like that, then perhaps you should also offer doing something that's pleasurable for your partner in return. Otherwise it may be a bit one-sided, I think.

Fetishes are not bad all the time. I believe it was said before by several even the Gods did some things some times.

The thing is yes a fetish can have a negative meaning and reason. But it also could have a positive complex behind it too. Like someone associates something with being spiritual or being more free or something or more natural or something familiar from early life or a past life. Especially for cancer. If some scent especially in my experience (maybe even an inscence or perfume) or some item or something is really familiar they may find it sexual too. However in a negative sense maybe this sign seems to be attracted to things dealing with childhood. This could go wrong (in a degenerate world or bad things) or not be bad at all. It deals with the mothering instinct and having children etc. I did notice this and want to comment on it. Scorpio too that is a sign obviously attracted to fetishes some of them can be more darker or even bsdm but not all the time or they just like being kinky. In fact I am sure here there are a lot of people attracted to people being more natural in some way because in the ancient times this was the way people were and it could end up as a fetish this obviously isn't bad. I won't go through all signs but all of them do have fetishes sometimes. Sagittarius would be doing stuff outdoors or in the forest or the knees legs etc. Take time to read through any astrology site I don't think this stuff is bad unless it is degenerate or hurts someone or has a negative mindset behind it. Some things may be impossible to do without a negative or enemy mindset these are things to stay away from and work to not be attracted too but not all stuff is bad.

Fetishes dont always have to be negative. It is only negative if it is something that hurts someone or is using some mental complex that is bad or of the enemy.

If the mental complex behind a fetish is positive no amount of healing will change it fully but if negative working to overcome it will likely make it go away.

Could you give some examples of fetishes with purely positive mental complexes behind them?

I usually use the word "fetish" to refer to sexual preferences I deem unnatural (so not caused by a person's astrology, but rather things like trauma and complexes), and consider other sexual preferences and things people like to just be a normal and natural part of their sexuality. "Fetish" has a bit of a negative connotation to it imo; kind of like calling something a disorder. I don't like labelling everything that's a bit unusual in such a way.

It's not that I don't agree with you that some things are just sick and wrong it's that I want people to understand this is more a natural inclination for many so it should not be looked down upon as we do need to free humanity and become more in line with nature as a species.

The kikes are the ones pushing horrible stuff with this. If not for them the whole thing would be more natural and clean and good and likely some never would be a fetish for anyone to begin with.
 
Meteor said:
I'm sorry for calling you a shoe fetishist, Henu.
:lol:

I've never thought about it like that, but technically, that's true. No need to say sorry.
 
Meteor said:
slyscorpion said:
Well only to people that are a little programmed still does it purely mean negative. Ok the examples can go to just about anything and everything with this. Let's say someone likes the knees of someone and their knees being rubbed or licking the knees of someone. May be weird but not harmful and I heard of this one before or someone likes peoples feet (that is a more pieces one) and gets aroused in some way over this. Or someone likes eating food off someone in their sexual areas that's a fetish also common is people liking the natural scent of others or being rubbed and touched physically or anything dealing with the physical senses (capricorn). I am not going to name anything here anyone may find controversial cause I don't mean to start an argument but these are some of the more basic ones.

These all would be considered fetishes by many. None of these are harmful.

I think people need to get some of the Jewish porn ideals out of their head with this yeah a lot of that is really bad but it's being pushed it's an instinct to like certain things like this that is a fetish. I can't name one person who doesn't have something that turns them on or they like.

Even some of the more Jewish or controversial stuff if it had a positive instinct behind it or natural instinct behind it I don't judge at all. However I know most the time it doesn't.

To be honest for the most part as long as it's not race mixing something to do with children or animals or something that hurts people badly/is non consenting the Gods don't care in my experience. Maybe some of them even like it themselves you never know :lol:

But anyways it's not enemy to have fetishes it's enemy what some of the fetishes are that are pushed. Such as degrading someone making people into animals rape fantasys I could go on.
That is the stuff we need to do away with not fetishes themselves as they are actually natural.

I've never heard of anyone who's obsessed with knees so it's not a realistic example, and I think a foot fetish actually is associated with a negative mental complex in most cases, although it depends on the degree and the way it's expressed. As for eating food off your partner, who doesn't like that once in a while to spice things up? I think it only counts as a fetish when it's necessary to do it almost every time in order to get off; otherwise it's just normal fun and adventurous behaviour.

You mentioned programming, but I actually used to think it was "normal" for people to have strange fetishes, even degenerate ones. My reasoning was that there's a lot of weird porn out there (just consider how much furry drawings there are, when that is completely abnormal and unnatural for humans to be into), therefore there's a lot of people who like that kind of stuff, therefore it's "normal".

It's after I started meditating that my own sexual preferences became remarkably normal and I noticed how much better I felt that way, which led me to the conclusion that a healthy sexuality without corruptions tends to be surprisingly normal by my standards.
Just like some people may be programmed to believe sexual exploration is depraved, I realised that there's an equal amount of programming to try and make people overly lenient towards abnormal and potentially mentally unhealthy sexual preferences that people have because "it's just their fetish", and you don't want to "kinkshame" now do you?

Do you understand where I'm coming from with that argument? You don't have to call everything that's a bit unusual and exciting a fetish. That should simply be called sexual exploration and having preferences.

For me, this argument is more about semantics than judging what's normal or not. I disagree with the mentality of putting labels on things that I believe to be perfectly normal.

slyscorpion said:
It's not that I don't agree with you that some things are just sick and wrong it's that I want people to understand this is more a natural inclination for many so it should not be looked down upon as we do need to free humanity and become more in line with nature as a species.

The kikes are the ones pushing horrible stuff with this. If not for them the whole thing would be more natural and clean and good and likely some never would be a fetish for anyone to begin with.

I agree. It's good for people to realise that a lot of things are really natural even if they're unusual, but there's also a lot of things that really aren't natural at all and come from enemy influences and other negative things.

My opinion is that those things should not be fall into the same category or described using the same word.

Your hang up is you think everything should be kind of "normal" and plain that is not seen anywhere in nature outside of cattle and sheep. Many people would get bored by this.
 
Oh, so the discussion is actually more about semantics rather than anything else.

Never mind then, please continue. :)
 
Meteor said:
Just in case my point was still misunderstood, I'll provide more context about how I reached my conclusions.

Since puberty started for me, I became interested in sexual things. However, nothing I tried satisfied me. It always felt like something was missing.
Gradually I began to resort to desperate measures in an attempt to find anything at all; I just hoped I could finally find something that worked. But nothing did. Even so, I continued, and in the process, my interests began to become warped and bizarre.
I never really stuck to one fetish for more than maybe a few weeks or in a few cases months, because once again, nothing ever satisfied me. So over the course of many years, I ended up trying almost anything, even things I would rather not remember. But nothing worked, which led to a vicious cycle.

I knew vaguely what I was missing, but not how to attain it. That is, until I found this path.
Shortly after I came to this path and started meditating, my GD showed me a solution to my problem, which I was able to bring into reality as I advanced more. After that, I was able to find true satisfaction for the first time in my life simply by having plain, love-filled sex; to me, it stood out as unremarkable compared to everything I had tried up until then, and yet it was the only thing that had ever satisfied me after all these years. In that sense, it was remarkably unremarkable.

In the exploration I've done back in the day, I found many things which were depraved, but also many fun, clean and perfectly healthy ways to spice up sexual activities. I'm not sufficiently invested in any of them for me to consider them my fetish; rather, I want everything, spontaneously, whenever I feel like it, although not all at once.
All that means, is that I know what I like and that I'm free. The way my sexuality is now is the way I believe a person's sexuality should normally be: unrestricted, interesting, clean and mentally healthy.
If someone called my natural interests and the freedom with which I express them a dozen fetishes, I would absolutely take it as an insult. That would be no different from saying there's something abnormal about the way I naturally am. It would also reinforce the idea that it isn't normal for people to be adventurous in sex, which is precisely the mentality I want people to be free from. People should just do whatever turns them on, so long as it isn't mentally or physically unhealthy or unsafe.

I understand your point of encouraging people to accept and embrace what they may consider their fetishes. However, my stance is that these things are not fetishes. Most people would have a perfectly normal sexuality in my opinion even if they expressed it freely.
I want people to realise that there's nothing wrong with their preferences (so long as it's natural and healthy), and that there's no need to label it as a fetish unless it's truly abnormal and something they should cure themselves of.

Henu the Great said:

Hey Meteor, have you read Venus in the signs and houses in the Azazels astro?
The definitions of the words "fetish" and "paraphilia" include the words "abnormal" and "atypical".
But Henu, even if you like it when women wear socks or shoes, I do not think that makes you abnormal in the slightest. I know what it looks like when a person's sexuality is truly abnormal. Everything on the page about Venus in the signs and houses is perfectly within normal bounds; I disagree that any of it should be called a fetish by anyone.

Then this is a completely different thing than what I am talking about dealing with some other hang up or problem. A fetish is something someone does consistently that turns them on a lot more than regular things. You don't sound like you had that to begin with but some other issue.
 
Meteor said:
FancyMancy said:
"The Girl"? Non-monogamous/non-monoamourous & non-heterosexuality also exist and are also Natural.

Do you need to always bring this up? I don't think OP meant to insinuate that those things aren't natural, and was just speaking from his own perspective.
Although if you just enjoy bringing it up then I don't mind and I apologise for bothering you.
It seemed a little random, but then again, maybe it's good for people to have a reminder here and there so they don't just accidentally forget someday and decide purge the gays again on a whim. Better safe than sorry, right?
Satanfire666 said:
FancyMancy said:
"The Girl"? Non-monogamous/non-monoamourous & non-heterosexuality also exist and are also Natural.

Calm down. i just gave an example.. If Your gay/lesbian/bi/trans you could do whatever you want.
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.
 
FancyMancy said:
Meteor said:
FancyMancy said:
"The Girl"? Non-monogamous/non-monoamourous & non-heterosexuality also exist and are also Natural.

Do you need to always bring this up? I don't think OP meant to insinuate that those things aren't natural, and was just speaking from his own perspective.
Although if you just enjoy bringing it up then I don't mind and I apologise for bothering you.
It seemed a little random, but then again, maybe it's good for people to have a reminder here and there so they don't just accidentally forget someday and decide purge the gays again on a whim. Better safe than sorry, right?
Satanfire666 said:
FancyMancy said:
"The Girl"? Non-monogamous/non-monoamourous & non-heterosexuality also exist and are also Natural.

Calm down. i just gave an example.. If Your gay/lesbian/bi/trans you could do whatever you want.
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.
This is just bullshit nomenclature from Intersectionality to create dissonance and confusion and undue conflict. It came out of Feminism ,which came out of the CIA through the Frankfurt School.

No one cares if you're gay, bi ,straight or Male, female. People with lack of achievement in their personal lives identity with elements that they can borrow status from. Its called Biological Leninism where a group of losers come together and believe they are strong and special because of some vague identity they have.

"Oh look im a woman. Im so oppressed, look at me in my cubicle. These men staring at my boobs, these pigs. I just posted this sentiment on Instagram. Im so special. "

When you say "Gods" ,everyone knows you're already including all the Goddesses within. Only Autistic people or someone with grammar OCD would be harping on constantly about this nomenclature stuff.
 
Jack said:
FancyMancy said:
Meteor said:
Do you need to always bring this up? I don't think OP meant to insinuate that those things aren't natural, and was just speaking from his own perspective.
Although if you just enjoy bringing it up then I don't mind and I apologise for bothering you.
It seemed a little random, but then again, maybe it's good for people to have a reminder here and there so they don't just accidentally forget someday and decide purge the gays again on a whim. Better safe than sorry, right?
Satanfire666 said:
Calm down. i just gave an example.. If Your gay/lesbian/bi/trans you could do whatever you want.
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.
This is just bullshit nomenclature from Intersectionality to create dissonance and confusion and undue conflict. It came out of Feminism ,which came out of the CIA through the Frankfurt School.

No one cares if you're gay, bi ,straight or Male, female. People with lack of achievement in their personal lives identity with elements that they can borrow status from. Its called Biological Leninism where a group of losers come together and believe they are strong and special because of some vague identity they have.

"Oh look im a woman. Im so oppressed, look at me in my cubicle. These men staring at my boobs, these pigs. I just posted this sentiment on Instagram. Im so special. "

When you say "Gods" ,everyone knows you're already including all the Goddesses within. Only Autistic people or someone with grammar OCD would be harping on constantly about this nomenclature stuff.

I wanted to ask you this.. What do you think about gay people? Or people who want to change gender etc.
FancyMancy said „natural“, however, I don’t think that they are „natural“.

You don’t see gay animals that much, gay beings don’t procreate and thus they never give their genes to the next generation.

Also, if someone who is gay for example, would advance that much that their serpent is risen... would this person stop being gay?
Would this person become straight?

I mean as we advance we transform our Souls but also our Bodies.. so it would make sense, that those people would become straight, right?
(Sometime ago I read that gay people are gay because their genes are a bit different.)

When I said that being gay is not natural, I meant it, as in nature you need male and female parts to create another being, also the soul has male and female aspects.

But I do believe that 95% of people who are gay will become straight, once they reach a certain point in advancement...

Next question, trans people... are they able to advance as far as they like and still stay with the mindset of a trans person? Maybe this is just a gigantic hang up, which prevents you to advance after a certain point, or makes it way harder... or even it will make you go insane if you proceed... should those people advance as all other people, or should they try to get rid of the idea to turn into the opposite gender.. and well accept as they are? I actually think so, or else they will probably suffer and stagnate.

I just wanted to hear your honest opinion about this Jack.
 
NinRick said:
Jack said:
FancyMancy said:
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.
This is just bullshit nomenclature from Intersectionality to create dissonance and confusion and undue conflict. It came out of Feminism ,which came out of the CIA through the Frankfurt School.

No one cares if you're gay, bi ,straight or Male, female. People with lack of achievement in their personal lives identity with elements that they can borrow status from. Its called Biological Leninism where a group of losers come together and believe they are strong and special because of some vague identity they have.

"Oh look im a woman. Im so oppressed, look at me in my cubicle. These men staring at my boobs, these pigs. I just posted this sentiment on Instagram. Im so special. "

When you say "Gods" ,everyone knows you're already including all the Goddesses within. Only Autistic people or someone with grammar OCD would be harping on constantly about this nomenclature stuff.

I wanted to ask you this.. What do you think about gay people? Or people who want to change gender etc.
FancyMancy said „natural“, however, I don’t think that they are „natural“.

You don’t see gay animals that much, gay beings don’t procreate and thus they never give their genes to the next generation.

Also, if someone who is gay for example, would advance that much that their serpent is risen... would this person stop being gay?
Would this person become straight?

I mean as we advance we transform our Souls but also our Bodies.. so it would make sense, that those people would become straight, right?
(Sometime ago I read that gay people are gay because their genes are a bit different.)

When I said that being gay is not natural, I meant it, as in nature you need male and female parts to create another being, also the soul has male and female aspects.

But I do believe that 95% of people who are gay will become straight, once they reach a certain point in advancement...

Next question, trans people... are they able to advance as far as they like and still stay with the mindset of a trans person? Maybe this is just a gigantic hang up, which prevents you to advance after a certain point, or makes it way harder... or even it will make you go insane if you proceed... should those people advance as all other people, or should they try to get rid of the idea to turn into the opposite gender.. and well accept as they are? I actually think so, or else they will probably suffer and stagnate.

I just wanted to hear your honest opinion about this Jack.
The majority of trans people i.e Teens masquerading as trans to attract hype grow out of that phase in time. However the actual actual people who have been Labelled Transgender are actually what's called Gender Dysphoria i.e a mental and Psychological disorder that may or may not have any genetic basis. We're talking about individuals who are so damaged that they can't cone to grips with their own identity. Ofcourse they can never advance to the point of real advancement unless they clean out the psychological disorders first.

As for Gays, Straight and these things, i tend to make a mental note not to label people with their sexuality. Research from the 60s and 70s (i.e before it was banned by jews) shows that more than half of the general population of homosexuals change naturally without compulsion into heterosexuals and the same number of people change into homosexuality, every year almost like clockwork. It seems a larger biological thing that society recycles.

I personally don't believe that Sexuality is something that is fixed. First of all ,our ancestors did not have specific titles to label individuals according to those titles like "homosexual, Heterosexual and Bisexual. " Our ancestors may it be the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians only had the nomenclature of describing sex acts like man on man or man on woman, etc. That means that the society didn't feel the need to classify these due to constant change. That is to say ,our ancestors did not believe in the sexuality being set in stone. And as I've studied Hypnotherapy and seen old studies, Homosexuals undergoing hypnotherapy without compulsion had promising developments in changing their sexuality, when such research was allowed. I don't know why anybody would want that and I have no choice in giving an opinion of something that i don't care about.

But as we've seen with the research in women, human Sexuality is more fluid than we think, especially for women. It is said that women are either bisexuals or lesbians, never straight. I don't know if that statement is true but various research has shown that to be true. I don't think much about research because it could easily be faked but from my personal experience i have seen women are generally more prone to have the propensity towards exploration especially if the woman is sexually repressed.

For men its a lot harder and more men are hardcore about being straight, even going as far as faking marriages while secretly getting fucked by homosexual prostitutes behind the wifes back - as is the case for various politicians.

I have a vague idea about how youd go about changing someone's identity i.e their sexuality through the February man regression and attaching sexual feelings for something that is averse to them previously. But that knowledge is useless because i don't really care much about it.

People have their own lives and I tend not to make judgments about specific people with specific issues. If i was having sexual feelings for men, i would be proud of it like im proud of everything that i am currently.

But I've only ever been attracted to women and sometimes mistakenly thought an extremely feminine looking dude was a woman, but after i discovered it was a guy ,i lost all attraction for him. I just like pussy and I don't think im going to try to change that anytime soon.
 
Meteor said:

Jack, do you remember when we talked about logic a while ago? I realised that you were right about that.
I used to think that so long as the logic is sound, one can deduce anything and everything in this world, and come to understand it all.
Even as I encountered things I couldn't figure out with just logic, I believed it was just because my logic wasn't good enough yet.
But lately, sometimes I just suddenly see something, like suddenly "knowing" it, and come to understand things that I was never able to understand before with logic. Sometimes it feels hard to even put such things into words in a way that someone else would understand, and yet I know it with such clarity.

I wonder if you went through something similar? When I was new to these forums I noticed that you sometimes got into heated arguments with people, and I had the impression that you were onto something but just weren't really sure how to put it into words in a way that others were able to properly understand.
If that's the case, then I really want to applaud you for getting so much better at it. Others have said so before as well, but I think the things you write are much more comprehensible these days.

Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that you were right about that. I'm still clinging to my logic most of the time, but I'm gradually learning that sometimes it really does fall short and there's a better way to truly understand things. It's more like "seeing" than "thinking".
Well our Logic evolves over time right, from Childhood to Adulthood. But the world outside is the same. Conscious Logic is bound by our own self - how much understanding or knowledge you have about the particular topic at that particular time. Then the things you see outside will filter through this alleged understanding, to a conclusion. Sometimes that conclusion changes as you become more mature or you have new information.

But whereas our conscious logic is bound to our own ability as a concious human ,that might not be the complete truth. Sometimes we aren't able to comprehend something so we fall back to our biases in order to feel safe. There are things that are just there and there is no logical explanation for them at the particular stage of logic that humans are at.

But that doesn't mean those things go away. The consciousness field ,the Brahman has all the answers because it just is and will continue to be a testament as it is. If you just tune into it, it will give you all the answers i.e if you have the capability to comprehend it. But sometimes your bandwidth and router connections are mismatched and you instead tune into some other things ,where the enemy can show you a lot of falsehoods to control you. Practice and discernment is key.

In order to see truth, you have to suspend logic that is to say you have to suspend Judgment. The best way to do that is go into trance. And when you're going into a deep trance ,you need to fix awareness onto a single spot whether it be a symbol or some visualization otherwise the awareness will drift as you enter into dream state.

I visualize my consciousness as a miniature sun as i go deeper into trance and you need to hold onto it until you enter really really deep ,where your in a dream state but you have control still. There you simply need to look at things and the answers will cone to you as you've successfully suspended logic and isolated the Ego. This needs a lot of trial and error to perfect. Sometimes you just drift off and sometimes you get wrong answers from the wrong consciousness fields. But at a point like anything else, you'll be able to master it as humans are wont to do. Sometimes we can't accept the answers we get because it might be really uncomfortable to our ego. And is called killing parts of yourself. As you accept truth and reject your own biases and false ego association's may it be with emotions or logic, you are killing parts of yourself. This is similar to what happens when you get over childhood trauma. You accept what happened to you by acknowledging it and being at ease with it, and then it stops affecting you and you're no longer controlled by those negative emotions. You have essentially killed that self that was controlled by the occurrences in their childhood and you are now born anew. This happens to everyone in their lives,and they go through the process of maturing. Those who cling to the Negative Ego are prolonging their suffering as they reject change. When you're in tune with nature you just have to let go as it heals and solves all your problems by showing you how to fix this. Nature might be a wrong word, the correct word is when your in tune with the Gods and our lord.
 
Meteor said:
Although you were asking Jack, I hope you don't mind if I reply as well since I think it's an interesting topic.

If you think that's the case for 95% of them, then what do you think the remaining 5% are like? Just curious.
Thanks for your open view about that.
I did not think too deeply about it to be honest, I was just curious, as it seems that we have a fair share of trans people here.
I just did not want to say that that's the case for ALL of them. But if this has something to do with genetics, then it would make sense, that it would fade away after they advance more, as our DNA should also change, better.

Spiritual and Physical perfection - then this would mean (my view of this) that those people will have the urge and ability to procreate, naturally.

Well we could ask them whether or not they've hit a wall? xD
All for scientific purpose of course!

Jack said:

Okay I see, I also thought that those people will either hit a wall, or go insane if they proceed. I mean literally go insane...

Thanks for the input Jack. I have nothing against gay or trans people to be clear, it is just that I thought recently about it.
And since people told me that being gay is due to some DNA-Mutation, I thought that virtually all people will turn straight as they rise the serpent or perform the MO. Just a little thought and mind experiment I had.

Of course it is importantto accept yourself for WHAT you are, if you love women, then accept it and be proud of it.
If you love men, then accept it and be proud of it.
 
NinRick said:
Jack said:
FancyMancy said:
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.
This is just bullshit nomenclature from Intersectionality to create dissonance and confusion and undue conflict. It came out of Feminism ,which came out of the CIA through the Frankfurt School.

No one cares if you're gay, bi ,straight or Male, female. People with lack of achievement in their personal lives identity with elements that they can borrow status from. Its called Biological Leninism where a group of losers come together and believe they are strong and special because of some vague identity they have.

"Oh look im a woman. Im so oppressed, look at me in my cubicle. These men staring at my boobs, these pigs. I just posted this sentiment on Instagram. Im so special. "

When you say "Gods" ,everyone knows you're already including all the Goddesses within. Only Autistic people or someone with grammar OCD would be harping on constantly about this nomenclature stuff.

I wanted to ask you this.. What do you think about gay people? Or people who want to change gender etc.
FancyMancy said „natural“, however, I don’t think that they are „natural“.

You don’t see gay animals that much, gay beings don’t procreate and thus they never give their genes to the next generation.

Also, if someone who is gay for example, would advance that much that their serpent is risen... would this person stop being gay?
Would this person become straight?

I mean as we advance we transform our Souls but also our Bodies.. so it would make sense, that those people would become straight, right?
(Sometime ago I read that gay people are gay because their genes are a bit different.)

When I said that being gay is not natural, I meant it, as in nature you need male and female parts to create another being, also the soul has male and female aspects.

But I do believe that 95% of people who are gay will become straight, once they reach a certain point in advancement...

Next question, trans people... are they able to advance as far as they like and still stay with the mindset of a trans person? Maybe this is just a gigantic hang up, which prevents you to advance after a certain point, or makes it way harder... or even it will make you go insane if you proceed... should those people advance as all other people, or should they try to get rid of the idea to turn into the opposite gender.. and well accept as they are? I actually think so, or else they will probably suffer and stagnate.

I just wanted to hear your honest opinion about this Jack.
Being homosexual is natural. Not everybody is made to become parents. Thinking that people are gonna become straight from "advancement" implies that being homosexual is unnatural, which is not.
 
Meteor said:
FancyMancy said:
Meteor said:
Do you need to always bring this up? I don't think OP meant to insinuate that those things aren't natural, and was just speaking from his own perspective.
Although if you just enjoy bringing it up then I don't mind and I apologise for bothering you.
It seemed a little random, but then again, maybe it's good for people to have a reminder here and there so they don't just accidentally forget someday and decide purge the gays again on a whim. Better safe than sorry, right?
Satanfire666 said:
Calm down. i just gave an example.. If Your gay/lesbian/bi/trans you could do whatever you want.
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.

I realised that as I was writing my reply. While for me it is obvious that homosexuality is natural and that women can be powerful, not everyone reading these forums comes from a place where they would've learned those things. So when they see an established member like you say these things so casually, they might realise: "oh, these things are perfectly normal and accepted here".

I disagree that people should label their perspectives though. Do I need to explain why?
Well, I would hope that people can see that it is not just accepted here, but that we realise that it is Natural and OK. Saying "it is accepted here" means "we give permission for this"; "permission" is nonsense for Natural things; if it's Natural, then it's eternal and inalienable, no matter how much others wish otherwise. While others forget or refuse to say "I'm straight, so this is a straight-orientated post", people don't see non-straight things and if they visit for 1 thread and don't realise non-straight is OK, then they might not return.


Jack said:
FancyMancy said:
Meteor said:
Do you need to always bring this up? I don't think OP meant to insinuate that those things aren't natural, and was just speaking from his own perspective.
Although if you just enjoy bringing it up then I don't mind and I apologise for bothering you.
It seemed a little random, but then again, maybe it's good for people to have a reminder here and there so they don't just accidentally forget someday and decide purge the gays again on a whim. Better safe than sorry, right?
Satanfire666 said:
Calm down. i just gave an example.. If Your gay/lesbian/bi/trans you could do whatever you want.
I'm calm and I was when I made that post. Do others always need to ignore or forget it? Not-just-heterosexual/monogamous/monoamourous relationships are not only "welcome" here but we are for Nature, which includes these. People seeing this repeatedly would think it's straight, mono-relationships only. Is it also annoying that I specify "Gods and Goddesses", as opposed to merely "Gods", which most others here do? There are advanced Females in the pantheon, also, as well as e.g. HPS Maxine who is a Female; therefore, will be a Goddess one day. I don't bother to take notice of remembering whether anyone is straight or bi or gay, for each username, so a simple "I'm straight" or "from my heterosexual perspective", for example, might also help.
This is just bullshit nomenclature from Intersectionality to create dissonance and confusion and undue conflict. It came out of Feminism ,which came out of the CIA through the Frankfurt School.
Nice, big words to try and improve your argument. Females are Goddesses, it's as simple as that. I don't care about bra-burning and Females going topless in front of Males because their Female nipples are also Natural. I call Those who are advanced Females Goddesses. You think that's bullshit - OK. Enjoy.

No one cares if you're gay, bi ,straight or Male, female. People with lack of achievement in their personal lives identity with elements that they can borrow status from. Its called Biological Leninism where a group of losers come together and believe they are strong and special because of some vague identity they have.
My sexuality, identity, and in-groups are not the point. The point has been made, and obviously ignored.

"Oh look im a woman. Im so oppressed, look at me in my cubicle. These men staring at my boobs, these pigs. I just posted this sentiment on Instagram. Im so special. "

When you say "Gods" ,everyone knows you're already including all the Goddesses within.
Do they? I can't speak for others, but I prefer to not infer things based on my own prejudices when it comes to important - and now, revolutionary - things. jew programmes are misogynistic; Paganism loves Males and Females. I say "Goddesses" specifically to speak for/to/about advanced Females directly, not to push/hide them away.

Only Autistic people or someone with grammar OCD would be harping on constantly about this nomenclature stuff.
You need to always be right, no matter what, and it makes you feel good when you correct others because they're always wrong and you're always right, but you don't read me complaining. Apparently, saying "Gods and Goddesses" is autistic or OCD-y, but saying "Gods" is not. Cool understanding. Pi =/= 3.14159...; it = 3, so let's work to that.
 
FancyMancy said:
for/to/about advanced Females directly, not to push/hide them away.

I will refer to our beloved Gods as to our „beloved Gods and Goddesses“, as I am pretty sure that should connect me more to our beloved Goddesses, which is very nice. =)

But „Gods“ also includes all genders. So you can not shame anybody for using „Gods“ to refer to all of our Gods and Goddesses of hell.

So you and Jack actually don’t have to agree. Each of you has their own views of things. We don’t all have to agree about everything, it is okay to believe in what YOU feel is right. It is also okay to change your views, as often you like.
 
FancyMancy said:
for/to/about advanced Females directly, not to push/hide them away.

I will refer to our beloved Gods as to our „beloved Gods and Goddesses“, as I am pretty sure that should connect me more to our beloved Goddesses, which is very nice. =)

But „Gods“ also includes all genders. So you can not shame anybody for using „Gods“ to refer to all of our Gods and Goddesses of hell.

So you and Jack actually don’t have to agree. Each of you has their own views of things. We don’t all have to agree about everything, it is okay to believe in what YOU feel is right. It is also okay to change your views, as often you like.
 
NinRick said:
I wanted to ask you this.. What do you think about gay people? Or people who want to change gender etc.
FancyMancy said „natural“, however, I don’t think that they are „natural“.

You don’t see gay animals that much, gay beings don’t procreate and thus they never give their genes to the next generation.

Also, if someone who is gay for example, would advance that much that their serpent is risen... would this person stop being gay?
Would this person become straight?

I mean as we advance we transform our Souls but also our Bodies.. so it would make sense, that those people would become straight, right?
(Sometime ago I read that gay people are gay because their genes are a bit different.)

When I said that being gay is not natural, I meant it, as in nature you need male and female parts to create another being, also the soul has male and female aspects.

But I do believe that 95% of people who are gay will become straight, once they reach a certain point in advancement...

Next question, trans people... are they able to advance as far as they like and still stay with the mindset of a trans person? Maybe this is just a gigantic hang up, which prevents you to advance after a certain point, or makes it way harder... or even it will make you go insane if you proceed... should those people advance as all other people, or should they try to get rid of the idea to turn into the opposite gender.. and well accept as they are? I actually think so, or else they will probably suffer and stagnate.

I just wanted to hear your honest opinion about this Jack.

Good thing we stopped speaking in private, then. That aside, I just wanted to let you know that creative power is not only having kids but also producing advancement for your community. When you don't have to dedicate a huge portion of your life to raising children, but can focus more on your career... think of that as the kind of contribution homosexual people give to the community. Neither of that does make any sexuality superior or inferior to another type of sexuality. They're just different. Like an apple is different from a pineapple but there's no objective evidence for either of them to be superior or inferior compared to the other. Only subjective things like "I love eating apples but I prefer my pineapples made into juice with coconut added"
 
Stormblood said:
NinRick said:
I wanted to ask you this.. What do you think about gay people? Or people who want to change gender etc.
FancyMancy said „natural“, however, I don’t think that they are „natural“.

You don’t see gay animals that much, gay beings don’t procreate and thus they never give their genes to the next generation.

Also, if someone who is gay for example, would advance that much that their serpent is risen... would this person stop being gay?
Would this person become straight?

I mean as we advance we transform our Souls but also our Bodies.. so it would make sense, that those people would become straight, right?
(Sometime ago I read that gay people are gay because their genes are a bit different.)

When I said that being gay is not natural, I meant it, as in nature you need male and female parts to create another being, also the soul has male and female aspects.

But I do believe that 95% of people who are gay will become straight, once they reach a certain point in advancement...

Next question, trans people... are they able to advance as far as they like and still stay with the mindset of a trans person? Maybe this is just a gigantic hang up, which prevents you to advance after a certain point, or makes it way harder... or even it will make you go insane if you proceed... should those people advance as all other people, or should they try to get rid of the idea to turn into the opposite gender.. and well accept as they are? I actually think so, or else they will probably suffer and stagnate.

I just wanted to hear your honest opinion about this Jack.

Good thing we stopped speaking in private, then. That aside, I just wanted to let you know that creative power is not only having kids but also producing advancement for your community. When you don't have to dedicate a huge portion of your life to raising children, but can focus more on your career... think of that as the kind of contribution homosexual people give to the community. Neither of that does make any sexuality superior or inferior to another type of sexuality. They're just different. Like an apple is different from a pineapple but there's no objective evidence for either of them to be superior or inferior compared to the other. Only subjective things like "I love eating apples but I prefer my pineapples made into juice with coconut added"

I have thought about the topic more for myself and I think I have a better understanding now. Thank you for your in put Stormblood!
 
Meteor said:
FancyMancy said:
Meteor said:
I realised that as I was writing my reply. While for me it is obvious that homosexuality is natural and that women can be powerful, not everyone reading these forums comes from a place where they would've learned those things. So when they see an established member like you say these things so casually, they might realise: "oh, these things are perfectly normal and accepted here".

I disagree that people should label their perspectives though. Do I need to explain why?
Well, I would hope that people can see that it is not just accepted here, but that we realise that it is Natural and OK. Saying "it is accepted here" means "we give permission for this"; "permission" is nonsense for Natural things; if it's Natural, then it's eternal and inalienable, no matter how much others wish otherwise. While others forget or refuse to say "I'm straight, so this is a straight-orientated post", people don't see non-straight things and if they visit for 1 thread and don't realise non-straight is OK, then they might not return.

I don't know if people would really react as strongly as you say to seeing someone write from a straight person's perspective, and I think people labelling themselves might have the side effect of imposing restrictions on their own thoughts and feelings. However, you do make a very interesting point.

I always told myself that power is all I need to live freely. Mental power, physical power, social power. If I can crush everything and everyone that opposes me in my personal affairs, then I can live freely without having to persuade any insolent fools that they shouldn't interfere with my life. And if I'm not strong enough yet, then I only have to avoid a confrontation until I'm stronger.

But honestly, such violent thoughts stress me out a little. Wouldn't it be nicer if people just understood each other more?

I convinced myself that if someone is facing discrimination, they should just become powerful enough to make that discrimination irrelevant and live freely in spite of it. But to this day, there are still places where homosexual teenagers are being murdered regularly by adults just for their inclinations. Did they deserve to die because they weren't strong enough to defend themselves? No... they didn't even stand a chance. It's not fair. It infuriates me so much!

So then, why am I allowing discrimination to happen under the pretense that those who are discriminated against should just be strong enough to be unaffected? Who am I to say anyone should have that level of strength, instead of longing for harmony and understanding? I'm starting to think that my way of thinking was wrong.

In another thread, Jack said that "transgenderism must be the red line which no one in society must accept; absolutely no one." I agree in the sense that I think being "trans" has become too much of a trend in society that is dragging too many people into it and harming them and in some cases the people around them. But on the other hand, I also heard of a user on these forums who has transitioned medically and has been dedicated and consistently meditating for over a decade. I'm sure that person is past caring what Jack has to say about it, but at the same time, don't Jack's words imply that this fellow SS should not be accepted here? Or that this individual shouldn't be allowed to live her life the way she wants?

Jack isn't always the best with phrasing things, so I might have misunderstood what he meant. It's common for him to focus on the general rule and leave exceptions out of the discussion for the sake of argument. But I'm starting to wonder if the way he put it was really wrong. While children should be protected from making mistakes, and people who act in an insane and entitled manner should not be tolerated, at a certain level of advancement what someone wishes to do is their own responsibility. And if they're happy about the decision they made and wish to continue, and don't cause problems for others, why should they be stopped? At that point they are only trying to live their own lives peacefully, what do they have to do anymore with any harmful trends in society? Even if they're so rare that their numbers would not make a difference to us in this war, who does Jack think he is to say they should not be accepted? See people for who they really are and judge them accordingly! There's nothing wrong with them being here and fighting on our side!

Similarly there's SouthernWhiteGentile saying that if he were in power, he would sterilise everyone who is mixed race instead of letting them have children with others who are genetically similar to them. He also said that short men shouldn't reproduce either.
There are dedicated mixed race people and short men with us, so who does this guy think he is to spout that vile shit about how other SS should live their lives? I simply ignored it because someone like him will never have the power to enforce any of that (who would follow such a cruel tyrant?), but what about short men or people who are mixed race reading it? What if they're emotionally vulnerable and it's difficult for them to ignore it and it makes them feel unwelcome here? Doesn't that make me a fool as well for not speaking out against his bullshit opinions to let these people know that they're welcome here despite their insecurities?

It's not fun to argue with people like that, but they're setting a really bad example. NinRick here even thought homosexuality isn't natural (which surprised me and perfectly proved your point), and now I wonder if it's because he read some of things Jack wrote on societal issues making people sexually confused. Discussion of such topics is perfectly fine, but I agree with you now that reminders that certain things are accepted here, and in many cases even natural, are also very important. Otherwise, poorly phrased or poorly-thought-through opinions will only breed and spread needless prejudice and stupid misunderstandings. While the strong won't be affected by the kind of environment that creates, I've decided that I don't want to contribute to it anymore; so I will stand up more for those I believe are unfairly discriminated against. Because after reading your post and thinking about it more, some people's lack of effort to understand what others are going through pisses me off way too much for me to ignore it anymore. I don't care anymore if that makes me seem hot-headed, annoying or pedantic to some people. All I care about is countering their flawed opinions.
Accepting Transgenders means accepting Jewish brainwashing and distortion of natural reality. No matter who a person is, we can't let our feelings of common cause stop us for standing up for what is right or just. We need to draw a red line and state that transgenderism is something we do not accept. It has nothing to do with accepting a person for who they are, because transgender is not a normal state of being.

You don't accept Schizophrenics ,Multiple Personality Disorder patients as "normal" similar to how you don't accept a man claiming he is a woman to be "normal" or "truth". In essence the force of the enemy is trying to subvert the natural order and is asking you to go along with it. They want your compliance to enact the anti human agenda. If enough people got over their personal fears and just said no ,then it would all be over.

Conflating Sexuality with Transgenderism is the biggest trick the Jews have pulled off. Transgenderism has nothing to do with Homosexuality, Bisexuality or any Sexuality for that matter. It is defined as an Identity issue ,as a psychological disorder where a person believes he is something different than who he really is. In fact Lesbians and Homosexuals are the biggest detractors of Transgenders because it distorts gender and now anyone csn claim to be a woman which minimizes Women's identity.

Transgenders are the biggest enemies of Women and Children and the ideology is aimed at targeting Children and defrauding women of their place in society.

It is a combination of Multiple Personality Disorder, Schizophrenia, Comorbid Dissociate Disorder and various other things meshed into one. Just as you don't accept A Multiple Personality Disorder person or a 30 year old man claiming to be a 5 year old girl to be "normal" ,you CANNOT IN GOOD FAITH UNDER NATURE accept Transgenders as NORMAL. That would mean you are going against your own biology and nature itself.

I don't know why all this discussion about Homosexuality keeps coming up all the time. One of my best friends who i found to be an exceptionally talented person is Stormblood. I've never had any issues with "accepting " Homosexuality, in fact I have made it clear in many threads explaining how its manifested itself in Nature and has no observable detrimental effects as opposed to transgenderism which is a serious national health issue.

I also don't believe in the BS of "live and let live". Once a majority group of people have power and have decided on a issue ,they can enact their will as they please. I wholeheartedly believe that one day will come in the not so distant future where humanity comes to an agreement that some things need to be rooted out before going forward.

The primary cause will have to be eradicated in totality in a very grim conclusion but other things that are subsidiaries of this don't merit the more severe actions.

For transgenders we can simply alter the majority view so that most people (99.9999%) of all humans believe that it is a mental disorder. And when a child has problems, we would have certified therapists who help them resolve the issues, without having to inform them of the possibility that someone COULD even be a transgender. I don't think there will be any single transgender in those days. That thing will cease to exist after its been forgotten as an ideology from the world.

And with Eugenics there won't be any Genetic Diseases left ,which means Hermaphrodites won't be born. So that solves the entire issue completely.
And if 1 or 2 individuals still have these problems, compared to the entire populace it won't be much of an issue.
 
Meteor said:

Does might make right? Yes - we could punish, hurt, abuse, whatever... those weaker than us; but then maybe not - we could be punished by Satan, Beelzebub, or any other God or Goddess, one's own Guardian, etc.; or maybe still yes, that we could be punished for doing something against others. Maybe one day we'll be much more powerful than They, so that we can do our own will! Yeah, good luck with that! Maybe one would go to their own part/area of space (however big such 'part/area' would be) and be as authouritarian, Draconian, dictatorial, Dickensian as one wishes! Who is to punish us there? Satan, Beelzebub, Guardian, God or Goddess? Perhaps the abused/victim, once they get strong and powerful-enough?...

The trans-person's life is their own. They do what they want, and suffer the consequences and/or enjoy the 'pro-sequences', of it. Trans-ness has become a meme, and people - or sheeple - are just jumping on the bandwagon because muh feelz and meh not fit-in. I mentioned recently about Children saying it's not fair that (((they))) will die and the Children, etc., will remain and have to clean-up the mess - one Child said that, while watching Grease, it taught them that you have to change who you are, smoke, be with the bad ones, etc., to get a boyfriend (like Sandy did). This was a few years ago, but I wonder what they might say these days. re: this and this. I wonder if their opinion is still the same, or "their" opinion has changed. It's not my business what someone does with their Body and Bodies (Physical and Spiritual), but I don't think anyone should try and change it, but if an opportunity presented itself, or Magick was done to create such opportunity, then I wouldn't say no to the possibility of befriending them, if necessary.

I mentioned before that I was doing naughty sexual things while I was underage. These days, Children are not "allowed" to do such things (in one measure or another, they are not "allowed" to more so than before). I am going to be graphic, so consider this a warning, and also I like to make others uncomfortable, rattle cages, ruffle feathers, perhaps be a bit avant garde maybe, with things, with what I say, and how I say them (and also because others seem not to be as... bold or daring ) - a Boy is "allowed" to chop his bits off because he feels like he was supposed to be a Girl, but he is not "allowed" to use his bits in intimate ways. In a much more comfortable, but still hardly understandable, context - a Girl is "allowed" to look after a Baby at 16, but she is not "allowed" to look after herself soberly until she can get drunk at, and until, 18. I am sure that these examples, and however-many more, make so much sense in an alternate Universe, if such a "multiverse" existed, somewhere. :roll: A child doesn't know that eating broccoli and sprouts actually are good for them, but the World cares more about giving disabled people preferential treatment and trying to convince everyone that they are superhuman.

Regarding Jack directly and specifically - you might have read what I said in reply to him recently. I prefer to not talk shit about someone behind their back, as it were, even if this is a public forum. Perhaps Jack is correct; perhaps Jack's thoughts and opinions are stubborn and unwavering. There was an older thread where Jack disliked the idea of Whites having more Babies because "safety in numbers" and Whites being a minority - including in our own Lands... I wont, nor can I, tell you who Jack is to say this, that and the other; I can, however, share information which can be viewed in threads and posts. Then you can make your own mind up.

I want to pick some nits. No, not out of your hair, but with something you said -

See people for who they really are and judge them accordingly!
Do you know the term "trap"? In context, it is a Boy who looks indistinguishably like a Girl, that you would think she was a she and not a he, yet he is, in fact, a he. Of course, there are better and worse ones. If a MtF or FtM trans-person does such a transition, for whatever reason they think - or have been brainwashed - into believing is correct, then how can we possibly see, experience, treat, regard, etc., him/her for whom s/he actually is? Then how can we judge, behave, respond etc. accordingly? Should we be forced into the correct pronouns, or should we defend our own opinions, understandings and realisations? If we can see into his/her Soul, then I expect that we could see that s/he is Male or Female, but trying to explain that to him/her would fall on deaf ears as much as telling christians they are misinformed and deluded and spreading anti-beneficial information. Any amount of attempting to correct them, as long as we definitely are correct, would drive them further into their trans-ness and (possible) permanent damaging, malformation, mutilation. Taking the slower approach of slow-but-sure discouragement away from things, encouragement towards other things, and convincing and persuasion might also not work; people's minds are set and minds can be so stubborn.

On the other hand, to give the benefit of the doubt - s/he might actually be correct; maybe his/her Soul went into a wrong Body...somehow, but could that be so allowed, permitted or just ignored to happen, by our Gods and Goddesses? i.e. would they not intervene to make sure the Soul went into the correct Body? Perhaps the trans-person, knowingly or unknowingly, was "called" to be a pioneer or agent, or were just used as such. You're a powerful person and a thing goes wrong. You're not going to just ignore it and let it go more and more wrong; you'd get your own agents involved to steer it back correctly and redirect things back on-track. Going back to "in the correct Body" - remove media and education and such influences; it would die-out. I wonder why, back in history, we didn't have trans-ness happening. In before "newly" "discovered" "artefacts" and "proofs" showing Jason's Argonauts and the Vikings all participated in transsexualism - and that'd be the reason why they were drunk so much, to numb the pain because there wasn't anasthaesia, and also hide the pain of feeling wrong all their lives... Maybe the gay actor who played Mercury in Sabrina, the Teenaged Witch (Patrick Bristow) was an accurate portrayal. :roll:

Who knows who and what someone truly is? The Gods and Goddesses, of course, but They don't interfere; it's each individual person's life and Bodies. If it turns out that this trans-person member is wrong after being able to communicate and then advancing themself, then oops; if they are not wrong, then perhaps - dare I suggest - a jew's pathetic excuse for a soul could be cleaned and Gentilised! :eek: Maybe trans-speciesism would work! Maybe we can have a viable, healthy Human/pig hybrid! Of course, I'm taking it too far. If a jew soul "could" transform into a Gentile Soul. not that that would happen nor be permitted, then that person wouldn't be that person anymore. If it is true that the Human Soul, in trans-persons, is in the wrong Body, then I would think that they would be in more prominent roles for pioneering and leading the way, rather than just anyone having it and doing it.

Ages ago I mentioned about not being able to understand what it would be like to be pregnant, seeing as I am Male. Even if I were given permission, and it was safe, to inhabit a pregnant Woman's Body, due to my Soul having Male parts instead of Female parts, I still don't think I would be able to experience the actual sensations and have the intimacy and understanding of such a thing. I really don't think that a Soul can change sex; thus, I find it difficult to believe that a Soul could exist in a wrong Body, without having major birth defects and/or diseases or other things happening to the relevant Body parts sooner or later. You can put wrong batteries in a battery-operated remote-controlled car; you can put the wrong fuel in your vehicle, you can use the wrong mechanical parts from a helicopter for your spaceship... I think it was said that an advanced Human could put their Soul, or Astral projection, into e.g. their pet dog's Body for a short time - or if it wasn't said, then it was speculated.

To any trans-person, including the member in-question - I don't mean to be offensive, upsetting, insulting. If it isn't broke, don't try to fix it. People have become too soft, and having to change the way they are, and to change themselves, in such extreme and permanent measures, to be happy seems hardly positive. To not be biased - maybe the trans-persons were kept waiting to be reincarnated at this time for importance.

Again - at the risk of speaking behind someone's back - apparently, SWG is like 18, so immature, from what I have picked up on (that's not my opinion) - not to mention his neck is rather a tinge of crimson (he said that's how I joke, and he was not upset about me saying similar things before, so I dare say this now!), and I think we all know their (crimson-tinged-necked peoples') attitudes on things! I might recreate Top Gear's bit about loving and supporting and promoting Gay Love in a pink car and drive around over there! It's all good, though - I love it when people say, "If I was in power, I'd..." because they love the fantasy. Someone I know says similar things, and they're very serious about it, and I makes me take the piss out of them, because they have zero power to change anything and they're so upset about things. They play the lottery and tell me that they have a greater chance of being a millionaire because I don't pay that tax on stupid people! One example, of someone else, was from an advert on TV - a little Girl takes some non-money bits and bobs to a shop to buy a chocolate bar for her mum. She looks at a little pony keyring (I think it looks like), and the shopkeeper says that pony is her change, and she takes the chocolate bar out to her mum; this other person who I knew was moody about that because it was teaching Children wrong things.

My lollage to both of these people, and if I knew SWG personally, then it would also be to him, is that they are getting all bent out of shape and upset over something they don't just have zero possibility of influencing, but negative-1 million chance of changing remotely (except that SWG has potential to have positive-1 million chance, of course; but then, euthanasia due to an opinion wouldn't get very far) - and they're so serious about it, as if they think they're any form of authourity, etc., and if anyone agreed with them then their brain would release dopamine to make them feel good that they changed the World in their imaginations. (In other words, I am calling them dopes, idiots.) They need to get their head out of their arses, and start prioritising things. It's sort of similar, my reaction is, to those who think they have a problem with me bcs reaz0ns (see this); I just go on my merry way ignoring them and getting on with my life. I don't react to them in-person, but later I think to myself about me being a celebrity to them and wondering if they want my autograph. People need to focus and stop pretending to care about things which they don't bother trying to fix!

Another example is on TV - I watch a programme sometimes which has TV viewers watching TV, and we see their reactions, etc. (similar to the Children with Grease and (((them))) dying, which I mentioned); when sad things come on, e.g. a Nature programme where wild seals climb a dangerous height, and then just drop down to their deaths, on top of other seals who have begun to rot, these viewers fake-cry and cry about making the World a better place, while they do nothing to make the World a better place. (I could go further than that still and say about celebrities who would not do charity fund-raising events without getting paid, begging you for your money, while they have loads of money and don't give any of it... (and now BoJo - or should I say bojew, having a lot of money spent on Downing Street flat and not being forthcoming with where they money came from, while also saying, allegedly, it would prefer bodies to pile-up rather than go into another lockdown (BoJo doesn't care about Saving Lives)))

I don't laugh and take the piss out of these last examples because they're not quite the same as the previous. I shared them because they're sort-of similar, with money being owned and things still having got worse and worse. People pretend to care and pretend to have priorities and pretend to think things are important, but do nothing about anything. They're basically christians, pretending to help by "praying", instead of going out and helping!

I realise what you are saying, re: short and mixed-Race individuals. That's similar as to why I mention non-heterosexuality also being also Natural - not about it being "acceptable" here (that doesn't really enter into it for me); rather, that is is Natural. I don't do it to pollute or spam; it's for someone who might see just 1 thread and are seeking validation, for example, who may be interested in SS and/or NS or maybe who might be gay and maybe are seeking devil-worship as rebellion against "god"... who couldn't find a welcoming community for non-heterosexuals. Take this lack of mentioning in such a thread, to extremes - the entirety of JoSM removes any and all references to non-heterosexuality; what would everyone think? (Not you, but someone/anyome else)Call it OCD and autism; meh. Vibrating a Word of Power 216 times is, therefore, autistic and OCD-y, yes? (That's a rhetorical question.) I will admit, though, that the more I do it, and if it were e.g. every day or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times per day, then it would happen automatically; therefore, be OCD-y and autistic, though.

(Off-topic: I think some, but not all, mental ill-health regarding behaviours (autism, OCDs, anxiety, depression, phobias, etc.) are learned and need to be un-learned and replaced, and the person needs to be distracted from them and their Brains re-wired so that they realise, e.g. spiders are not dangerous nor scary! A fear of heights is valid, though, of course... Being neurotic is a behaviour, and behaviours can change; autism, for example - people seem to ignore the personality of the person; one who gets upset with things and throws wild and attacking tantrums, some might say, needs a swift smack to teach them not to attack others again; spoilt brats can't always get their own way; might is right?! They, of course, should get their own way some of the time.)

I can't say if it makes you a fool or not. If you have not already, then you will find your footing here. A couple of the things I have said on this FancyMancy account (including on the previous, shoahed forum) I said on other accounts and got banned. In hindsight, it both makes sense and either a dick mod or a mod who was new and learning the ropes, etc., banned me, plus I hadn't established a sense of trust in me yet. The context of my replies may also have been misunderstood, and the forum needs to be kept safe, so as to make certain there is no reason for it to be shut down for whatever real or imagined offensive reasons. If you have a problem, then it's up to you, but I don't want to encourage very probable fighting. Mature debating should be done, but people take things too personally too quickly all the time, plus others don't care so they just troll.

NinRick here even thought homosexuality isn't natural (which surprised me and perfectly proved your point)
Which point did I make?

I agree with you now that reminders that certain things are accepted here, and in many cases even natural, are also very important.
This is my opinion. I shouldn't try to influence others to agree with me, based on my own opinions. My opinions might be wrong and I don't want to lead others astray. If anyone else agrees with me about things which they might be uncertain about (not including agreeing about obvious things or trivial things), maybe because I type in a certain way or they somehow like me for whatever reason, then that's up to them. Of course, I won't discourage anyone from agreeing with me! That's nice! It's to have friends! Lols.

Otherwise, poorly phrased or poorly-thought-through opinions will only breed and spread needless prejudice and stupid misunderstandings.
To be honest, I think that I still have that to deal with. Even if I/we are incorrect, at least we can sort of glide along together, and then if one of us bumps into a rapid on the river and it swooshes us on with greater momentum towards a more correct understanding, then at least the ride was good! Another reason I think brainstorming and discussion about probably less-than-100%-correct things is important, is that that happens. Others can see this and be inclined to realise we're not just christian-like freaks who go on about - as it might seem to them - nonsense things; we're an actual community with stuff and conversations and things. There has been all sorts of topics on JoSM forums (and the Yahoo!-shoahed Yahoo! Groups). If anyone wants to chat about recipes, there is a health and well-being section, for example. It's not quite a meme board for lolcats and funny failed stunt videos, though, but they can still be shared. (I wanted to share with you here a link to a video or .gif I shared before which I thought was funny, but I don't know where it is. Maybe you can find it if you feel so inclined to wade through all of my posts! Notice I didn't tell you any description of it?! :p)

Regarding being pedantic - I have been on forums and chatrooms for years. I sort of know how they can be. Yeah, it does feed the OCD, autistic, pedanticism aspects of things over time, because they go a certain number of ways, and especially so with repeating the same things and sharing the same links (which I suspect is why an FAQ was created before), but in making change happen, repetition is key. If you like, have a search through my posts and see how many times I have said "repetition is key"!
 
Meteor said:
Even if hypothetically for someone out there it is the "right" choice, however you might define that, there's also 9 people who want those kinds of things for the most ridiculous reasons and grow out of it with the littlest bit of mental help or personal growth.
I heard through the grapevine near Hearsay Hills (in other words, others have said and I have no source/proof) that a significant number of people, be Adult or Child, who have 'transitioned' regretted that and wanted back.

But if someone already did that kind of stuff and says they're happy about it then whatever, good for them I suppose?
I suppose, as well. It's their life and Bodies. I used to be a christian, on my way to being a fundy - if I was American, I'd be one of those "USA! USA! USA! USA!" ones as a christian! Now, I am more calm, laid-back and I expect others might call me liberal - Shock! Horror! - when it comes to other people doing this, that and the other. "You do you"; I do me. I don't want to waste energy on bothering with others who are happy doing and being their own selves and things (if they are their actual selves, of course; the RtRs are (were, while there is a break) there to correct things for those Without who effectively could be called lost). I have noticed a bit of 'religiousness' here, but it is to be expected and it is understandable, albeit not for me very much anymore.

On the other hand, if people can grow out of it before they do anything irreversible, then I think it's much better if they do.
As a christian, funnily enough, I heard and learnt of a little story thing which I think was supposed to be true but very probably was just a story. It involved many... if I recall correctly... starfish having washed-up on a beach. A Boy went by once and wanted to throw them all back, but unfortunately there were just way too many, so he could save (notice the christian term save) only so many. Similarly, it's true in real-life; "Many will want to join at the last minute but it will be too late" or so. To try and save everyone else, we'd be neglecting ourselves; one, as in onself, comes before the multitude numbers of everyone else. Possibly they'll reincarnate... possibly. This might be pessimistic but it's important to think with our Brains as well use our Hearts in things, or maybe with only one or the other, and carefully. We can't save everyone, and that's morbid and sad, but a sliver of hope and positivity is that - as I said - possibly they'll reincarnate... possibly.

Is it up to me, is it my business, is it my responsibility to make people not have "sex changes"? Not unless they were close with me and (I hope) they valued my opinion. Should I be civil and possibly friendly with them? I can't see why not. Could I be? Yes. Would I be? If they and I got on well, then yeah.

I'm all for discouraging people from it, and think encouraging it is insane because the lives of vulnerable feminine men and masculine women are just as important to me, and it might cause them to become confused and do things that negatively affect their lives, when there's much better ways for them to overcome their problems. But when people say it should be banned altogether, I think of the few who told me just taking hormones or even having surgery made them feel so much better about themselves, improved their sex life, improved their social life, cured their depression, etc. etc. I used to think maybe all of them were just insane and everything they say should be disregarded, but over time I realised that some of them aren't and are actually decent and reasonable people.
Take Gods and Goddesses as examples or one big example. Are there any trans Gods or Goddesses? Why or why not? It's one's life, and they, and They, do with it as they and They please - and here comes the "but"! Should they? Have they been informed properly or are they ignorant? If the latter, then calling them "ignorant", derisively or honestly and with respect, they would or might get upset and be more driven towards doing the thing which they have set their Heart, as opposed to their Brain/Mind, on. This, being just one very tiny example, is part of the reason I am more calmer now with things - it does nothing for me except waste time, energy, effort, resources, etc. Likewise with Children or teenaged tearaways, opposition and defiance can win and lead them away, astray and towards bad or dangerous things, to consider stereotypes and things. In other words, "you have to let them make their own mistakes", but unfortunately a "sex change" is too big a mistake, so "never again" in the future once we look back and see what happened now.

Just like I wouldn't tolerate someone trying to interfere with me just trying to live my life as I want, I don't think it would be right for others to interfere with them either, as long as they take responsibility for their own actions.
At the risk of repeating myself - maybe might does make right. Say you want to do any number of illegal things which contravene law, either jewish "law" or Natural law or law in the sense of fear of punishment by Satan, etc., or future National Socialist law... maybe you can Magick yourself to immunity of any relevant legislative law/s, or maybe They will put you back on the straight and narrow, if Saturn doesn't bring your head out of the clouds and back down to Earth... Bearing these things in mind, a lot of thing which are "illegal" now are because the jew has caused people, and sheeple, throughout history to be upset and fed-up with things so that more legislation can be added to tighten things and restrict us more and more. Take all legislation today - what things were not illegal 50, 100, 200, 500 years ago... Where along the way does Satan, Beelzebub, and God or Goddess or Guardian decide that a Spiritual Satanist or a "Without" person has exercised their freedom or "free will" too far? Children borne into SS and NS society will be brought-up in it; if elsewhere, rules and opinions would be different. (I would also like to ask these things, and as I asked previously, to anyone else but I wonder how many actually are following this thread now!)

I want it to stop as a trend just like Jack does, but at the same time I don't want to trample on those who seem to "need" it for reasons that are still beyond my comprehension; because I know that somewhere beyond my comprehension there may be a legitimate reason, and the individual person might be able to judge that better than I can in some cases.
I would like to ask you a question for yourself to answer, not for me to know, but if I asked it I think it would seem like I am being an authourity on this (like a chrisitan patronising non-christians and trying to guilt, influence, etc., them into stuff, argumentatively and proudly)... nevertheless - are you going to, or should you, or should we... waste energy trying to change others' minds? The Mind can be so stubborn.

Like a direction on a multi-lane motorway, the central lane is balance going towards where one needs to go. The car we're in might have a lean to one side so we need to keep correcting back into the correct middle lane, then be serviced, etc. whenever. The further from the central lane we are on, the more widely we diverge with e.g. the outside lanes maybe going backwards in the reverse direction, away from our hoped and intended direction/destination/destiny. It is the earliest point where we need to prevent massive divergences; the later we leave it, when the person is going away or backwards, the harder it is to reverse their belief, because they think they're going in the right, as opposed to wrong, direction and if we try to tell them they're going away from where they should be going, they'd defend themselves while everyone else is telling them this direction, which they didn't notice they were in the wrong lane of and diverged from, is correct.

In short - you can't teach an old dog new tricks because they've been blinkered and others have been driving the car, because they're distracted with things, ignorantly-happy, tired, focussed... even if these old dogs are young Adults or Children who are wise without life experience and know that they can change bits and pieces about themselves because they're been reinforced to believe such so much. These things have been buried deeply and keep on being reinforced, digging deeper and deeper, so to uproot them causes such a mess which needs to be cleaned-up, so "it's better to avoid mess" - "prevention is better, cheaper... than the cure"... yet there is a bigger mess much later on, then they have to try and crawl their way back to the proper direction. e.g. like I said, many tend to wish to reverse the irreversible action they took to, in this case, have a "sex change". Of course, you can[ teach an old dog new tricks - cleaning-out all of the other energies and replacing them with clean, beneficial ones.

I don't really get why people want it either. As I mentioned, some people grow out of it, some people don't. However, although I don't really get it, I can somewhat sense what people's Souls are like. When it comes to trans people, I've met some who feel more masculine and some who feel more feminine, regardless of what they're trying to become.
They may believe that Souls exist only when it suits them or when, e.g. their loved ones die and hope that they are still safe "in heaven" or somewhere; else, the closest they can come to empowerment and control is to make such a huge change to themself which finally, with enough energy having been used to change society, is now permitted and accepted and normalised. Similarly, for some who decide to jump off bridges into rivers to commit suicide, a number of them, who survived, regretted it as soon as they jumped; the sheer fright and panic and startlingness of what they just did shocks them and they sort of wake up from things. That, for them, is a big event; changing their Body to try and "be" someone or something else is a big change. Likewise, because we've been pacified over the centuries and weakened from being hard workers, into passive lazy bitches and entertained as distraction, jobs being replaced by robots, overpopulation with too-few jobs being created,etc., sometimes big things have to happen to people to wake them up.

Take this Spiritually - the amounts of energy and effort and planning, etc., to go into these events ("sex change"; attempted suicide; other big, shocking, upsetting events; close-calls, etc.,) is huge; we need huge amounts of energy to effect societal change, but unfortunately, to prevent individuals who have their own lives and Bodies from doing stupid things, it is a waste of our energies and neglectful of ourselves, not to mention unwise and also unethical. We can only advise, and the future will remember the decisions to have "sex changes" as a mistake, even though we realise it now. Anyone reading me saying this would maybe not like to befriend me because of my opinion; why can't we still be friends? Opposing views can be... enjoyed, perhaps. I would like to see the numbers of those who enjoyed and were very glad of having a "sex change" and those who regretted it, but I don't expect those numbers to be trustworthy.

But the long-time member here I mentioned, as well as some people I knew who didn't grow out of it either... there is no wound there anymore, and their energy usually feels like the sex they tried to become, and yet they feel strange in the same way those whose wound is still open do.
Perhaps these individuals were supposed to be like this, either incarnated deliberately into the wrong-sex Body as part of the agenda to have such as pioneers (re: Anton LaVey, a Gentile Soul incarnated into a jew body deliberately), and/or the wrong-sex Body was the closest match possible for them to be incarnated/reincarnated. I think I would find it easier to believe the former, because - as I said - I don't have female parts, so if I were to inhabit a Female host with her permission for a time, or a pregnant one if that was safe, my Male Soul and my conditioned Brain and Mind wouldn't be able to... translate or understand the Female Body parts, so I wouldn't be able to experience it properly - if it were possible to enter an opposite-sex Body at all. I can remember it being said that the Soul attaches to the inside of the cranium, so my Male Soul with Male Body parts attaching to a Female Body with Female Body parts I don't think can work... so perhaps there is something in there with being incarnated into the wrong Body deliberately - and here I remember once again the eternal struggle; these pioneers, if you will, become hated and upset and shunned, etc., with prejudice against them, etc. Some may commit suicide; these might reincarnate or they were never capable of lasting forever; they were lost Souls to begin with, perhaps.

It's all speculation on my part, but it's their Bodies. I can't tell them what to do, and they wouldn't listen to me, possibly unless we were close enough and they respected me and valued my words enough. That little Boy should have told his Mum or Dad about these poor starfish, presumably got very upset about it, and inspired his parent/s to hire a digger truck, or more likely request that some local construction workers helped on their weekend off to save the starfish. (These emotionally-manipulative christian stories fail if you think about them for half-a-second! We know christians don't think much! They just pay someone repeatedly to tell them the same things repeatedly. It's like buying TV series and films with all of the plagiarised stories in different ways! Notice how much of this - the repeated bribe/tithe to "god", the repeated purchasing of film and TV series, and also the repeated rent/mortgage (death gauge), etc. - is jew-inspired!)

It creeps me out a bit so I usually don't approach them, but when I did talk to some of them they seemed like decent and happy people despite it.
I would expect that most of them are. These days, they can relax a bit or a lot, because it's more accepted and tolerated. If we can be forced into tolerating (which is a contradiction) something, then we can be forced into tolerating something else, and something else... and something else... aand something else... aaand something else... One day, we wouldn't know how tf we managed to love the jew so much, being a willing slave, because we'd be doing these things, but we'd also not know how tf we managed to hate it so much before! Similarly to e.g. autism in people, with not being "allowed" to correct certain, or any(?) autistic people/Children, because reaz0ns and dIeVeRsItY and eekwallytee, nor nip their bad behaviour in the bud - most "sex-change" individuals, like badly-behaved autistic Children, also have personalities. I don't expect most autistic people misbehave because of the mental incapacity or messed-up energies in their Soul (or perhaps soul with a lowercase S). A lot of it is learned - or lack of learning. Put them before a monster (e.g. a hardened and very dangerous criminal or convict) - would the muh autizums cause them to be spoilt brats then? I think not. Not for very long. Laboratory conditions are unrealistic. Boot camp may be the way to go, but then that would be softened and inclusive of these people, so it wouldn't be boot camp; it would be beech sandal camp, flip-flop camp, or slipper camp... (I want to add a particular exhausted/sighing emoticon, or dare I say emoji(!), here, but I don't know where I saw it and I don't know if it's actually an emoticon/emoji or just an animated character... :( Lol.)

Maybe I'm not making much sense, or maybe it's just my imagination; but even if I'm not at the point yet where I always understand what I sense clearly, there is often some truth to what I perceive in one way or another. It made me wonder if perhaps they were damaged so deeply that it changed something inside of them, but then "healed" from it without changing it back, closing the wound and stabilising the damage inside of them in a way that caused it to become like a part of their nature, like a scar deep inside their Soul. There are rare cases of people who felt since their childhood that they were supposed to be the opposite sex and never grew out of it, which makes me think that it's something that's carried through lifetimes, and can be reinforced if they keep going through the same kind of trauma over and over.
I'm wondering. Unless any one of us can look back into history, then we can't really know what happened in actuality at the moment. Then even if anyone could, they'd have to look all over the face of the Earth...every single day or every single hour or every single minute for e.g. 2000 years, so it would be quite impossible - unless there could be a working to direct them immediately to any actual event of a previous-life trauma event or events which instigated such "need" to "change sex" in this life, e.g. "where your attention goes, energy flows" - but if they simply don't know events of the past, then how could they pinpoint anything, as in a temporal landmark to go to an event correctly?! About 100 years or so ago, if I'm not mistaken, pink was for Boys and blue was for Girls, so that's a small example of the jew-enforced battle of the sexes, with pink being a ghey colour now.

It makes me wonder, how are you even supposed to heal someone like that? Break them and damage them so deeply in the opposite way that they wish from the bottom of their heart that they can be their original sex again, then let that wound settle in the same way that their Soul became warped in the first place?
Only one can change themselves, at the end of the day. If they are stubborn and unwilling, then it would make it much more difficult. If you did some Magick on a person and they were stubborn against that thing you were doing, then that Magick would actually be more difficult to achieve. (At that point, morals and ethics might come into it, but then I would repeat what I speculated above about how much and how far freedom could go, so therefore legality - "law", law, They or future Law - might also come into it; we can kill via Black Magick but that is dangerous for the performer and it requires a lot of power, so binding would be preferable.) One way for that healing to happen-- well, firstly, willingness makes it easier! Removing doubt also helps! Another thing is to do the Freeing the Soul working, and of course Soul and Aura and Chakra cleaning and Aura of Protection thoroughly every single day until the day after next-forever. Another would be to consult one's Guardian Daemon or Daemoness and ask Them and/or Satan for some direct healing. Psychology is also needed, which ties into willingness - they have to convince, perhaps brainwash, themselves that they are their true self and Satanically they are being guided towards their true self.

I wonder if, like with having an operation to remove one's privates, what the effects might be in any future life similar to when people used to be beheaded. If the Soul attaches to the cranium, then the head is chopped off... would the Soul slide up and be unsynchronised with the Body to stay attached to the cranium for however long? Because I don't know at precisely what point the person is dead; hearing remains for minutes or seconds after a beheading, apparently, allegedly, so I've been told. Once the spinal, neck, brainstem column is severed, then the Soul detaches, presumably - having an operation to remove privates would be a trauma in and of itself for future lives, and all of this healing would take tremendous amounts of energy over X number of lifetimes - if they are capable of reincarnating at all.

Ages ago I made an analogy of gardening. Digging up crap out of our Soul makes a big mess, with the soil and the roots and bits of leaves and insects all unsettled and strewn about. This needs to be redone and seeds or bulbs planted and watered and cared for. What I didn't say back then is this sentence - we can enjoy the weed in our garden and pretty-it-up, but it is still a weed.

If that were even remotely ethical, would that even make them return to their original selves, or would it just create more scars on top of the previous ones and make them even more dysfunctional?
I think I might have replied to this already. I'm quoting and saying this so as not to ignore your question.

It's because I can see that for some individuals it's not something that's easy to fix that I think they should just do what they believe it takes for them to be happy.
At the risk of sounding like an authourity - happiness is arbitrary; joy doesn't seem to be. [end authourity] Happiness is fleeting, and the jew has made the World depressed and hopeless, so people have to cling-on to whatever shreds of hope, happiness and - and why not a third H - happenstance they can, which they might come across. Joy seems to be something one has to work for and work towards. One might be happy with their morning cup of coffee with a stick of cinnamon or whatever, but they might be joyful that they have a partner, family, job/career, something to do which is important, etc... Remember that the jew is losing, so it has sped-up things to try and march quicker towards its ultimate intended goal for Humans. If Hitler was not born and the Third Reich never had have existed, "sex change" might not be anything considered; feminism might not exist; the real LGBT-ness (or was it just LGB?), and the jew (((LGBT)))-ness, wouldn't exist... maybe. We wouldn't have this Technology, the WWW/666, etc. perhaps. We'd be living blissful ignorance worshipping a jew-on-a-stick and being consumed by some reptillians after we were com-pliant enough - with a lot of trauma thrown-in for good measure. The jew had about 150 or 250 years remaining of its 6000-year-long plan, but now it's fooked! We'd have lived "happily" as a prescribed recipe by the jew for us. These days, people have to try and grab ahold of whatever they can - and this "sex-change" idea is one of the options approved and presented by the jew.

The member I was talking about said she thinks that some individuals are "destined to be the opposite sex" and that if they complete the Magnum Opus, their bodies will fully transform as such; that it will draw their true self from the inside out to the material world. If that is true (which I don't know), then the idea that a person's "true self" can become permanently warped in extreme cases and then manifest into the real, physical world is slightly terrifying to me. On the other hand, if that is indeed how it works and that is truly their will for some reason, then maybe it's a good thing. I don't know. Honestly, the topic weirds me out and confuses me a bit when I look at it too deeply.
We have lost a huge majority of the ancient knowledge which Humans had on Earth, thanks to the jew destroying, stealing, twisting, perverting and corrupting it. From what little we have left and what we are trying to scrape back into existence and our library - is there anything to say that "sex changes" happened and sometimes were necessary? Hermaphroditism being Natural if not an abnormality? If changing sex is actually possible and works, then why not being trans-Race? Why not being trans-Species? Why not being trans-material, into a leaf or flower petal, sand or the wind?

Give a man estrogen and progesterone and he'll grow breasts,
Are they actually breasts, with mammary glands enough to function as Female mammary glands as opposed to the hardly-worth-mentioning mammary glands which Males have, or is it just fat or something else? He won't grow ovaries, and...

or give a woman testosterone and she'll get a deep voice and grow a beard.
...she won't grow testicles. He won't be able to be impregnated with a womb, and she won't be able to produce sperm to get him pregnant... I think that is the fundamental and final and absolute... test or result or... ability of "sex change" - to produce offspring Naturally - unless I am wildly, and very widely by a very large margin, mistaken. (Apparently, 2 sperms from two different Men can be used in laboratory conditions to create a Child now... I don't know about 2 eggs, though. I also don't know if 2 sperms or 2 eggs from the same individual could either...)

Motherless babies possible as scientists create live offspring without need for female egg
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That took a bit of searching to find. It was not as easy to find from an Internet search as I thought it would have been.

In the case of males, they technically even have all the genetic material it takes to be a woman, right in the X chromosome; one of the two X chromosomes in women is deactivated anyway, so then what if you deactivated the Y chromosome?
Curiously killed the cat, so maybe we should not find out... except for in a computer simulation. Everyone starts off as Female, anyway, until change happens, of course - then some Males are born. While there is the genetic material in Males for Females, is it possible to 'activate' it to transform the Male into a Female? Then Female into Male? (Again, that island where Girls transform into Boys due to a lack of an enzyme in the womb which appears during puberty.) Maybe this is possible only before - like in the multi-lane motorway example - early on. (((They)))'ve made Human/pig hybrids, apparently, as well... (There is an orc meme about this.) I can't help but recall Futurama, but I will only quote one thing & mention another - "Is this gunna be one of those crazy experiments that crosses a line man was not meant to cross?", and Momsanto. Yes, like Monsanto but with American Mum being a crazy old hag and a jew-depiction! I admit this is... intriguing but in a disgusting and offensive way. Perhaps Lord Hitler will permit some jew individuals to remain and procreate on a remote, isolated island somewhere so that we can rename Monsanto to Humansanto and do some disgusting, offensive experiments of our own! rubs hands :twisted: I sincerely and honestly and genuinely and seriously would request that He permits that!

as there is far more overlap between the sexes than most people seem to realise.
Exactly, so that is an indisputable argument for bisexuality at least, in most people. Males and Females look more alike than either of them do a... tree, for example (unless you grew-up in the 1960s...).

Now I'm unsure if it's better to call SWG out when he says things like that so that hypothetical others don't get as upset over it, or if I should just leave him be to enjoy his fantasy.
Perhaps you think of this a bit like christianity where each person repeats the same jew-prescribed behavioural permissions. You can think for yourself, I am guessing, so you decide. It's not up to me to tell you or suggest to you what. With forum moderation before, HPS Maxine said, from what I gathered, that users should be able to express themselves - but of course not to break rules, etc. e.g. a user has been trying to doxx someone repeatedly, which is not permitted.

I figured the therapist only labelled me in such a way because he was too stupid to understand what was going on beneath the surface.
We have Elements within our Soul. Due to one thing or another, many people - probably every non-advanced person - has imbalances in Elements, and with other Energies mixed-in with it all, including Planetary and Star Energies, it makes significant differences and difficulties. Whichever mental ill-health problems anyone has would be due to such things, including any holes within the Soul. There may also be (((medicines))), substances and poisons, such as thalidomide, etc., which cause problems, as well. Do not search for pictures of thalidomide Babies... There was a whisteblower who I think was from the CDC which said they were forced to keep quiet about the MMR/autism link. This is supposed to have been "debunked" by Snopes, Mayo Clinic, the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, etc. Then again, according to Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory, "For the record, that psychotic rant was a concise summation of the research of Bertram Forer, who, in 1948, proved conclusively through meticulously-designed experiments that Astrology is nothing but pseudoscientific hokum." Oh, dearest Mr Spock. Not all things can be learnt, understood, explained, defined, nor argued by, through or with logic!

I imagine such a hole in the Soul as an actual void or gap, which causes problems, sort of like if one's home didn't have doors in the doorways, windows in the window frames or a roof on top... The different combinations, in some sort of groups and categories, of these = autism or psychosis or psychopathy or depression or... or... or... and they are then used so as to create an industry around them, make money from them ("pharmaceuticals don't make cures; they make money") and drug people up to the eyeballs with things, cloud their Minds and Brains and Souls, and put labels onto them... all for control. It is incredibly elaborate and complex.

That leads me to think that autism is just a label people put on those who don't fit in because they think in ways others don't understand.
"It's textbook" - and how often is the DSM updated and changed, and who writes it?! Aren't such things based on high-on-drugs freud and others who think they know (or think it knows) things? There is a bit of a very bad illustration I made ages ago about categorisations of things in levels and things. It can be applied to different things, such as social and societal change and reform (read: control), but I think also sort of to things like this. (((Those at the top))) slide things across to a certain way and eventually the bits underneath slide along with it to conform to the upper sliding ... the things at the bottom or very bottom hardly seem to move at all, so they (commoners, convicts, outcasts, homeless, whomever...) hardly notice any changes, if at all, in some ways. I colour-coded it to make it pretty!

For those who are on the bottom strata of society getting on with their work and life and things - and behaving like good Goyim! - then things go over their heads i.e. quite literally with the 'higher' ones, so-called "elites", 1%, etc. pulling the strings. e.g. rothschild and soros tells X to do things, and X manages its things; X tells Y to do things and manages its own lower-than-X things ... C tells jew biden or bojew to do things, who tells the managers/manageresses of this agency and that area to do things, who then tell autism, etc., patients this and that, etc. Then when soros and rothschild move things around a bit after convening the council and passing a resolution, other levels and strata change and whatever, while the worker ants at the bottom are getting on with their ignorant, little lives oblivious to the whatevers of those above them.

The Body is a very complex and intricate system and set of systems within that system. Such is the jew and its shit, with poiso-- sorry, I meant medicine, and "help" and things, etc., etc., etc. The DSM and things are just another form or vein or artery for all of the things, and the "medicines" are the blood flowing through.

However, that does not mean it's wrong to encourage correctness and accuracy. Being logical, clear and reasonable has its merits as well, especially when trying to solve a problem.
In a different but similar way - 'Hundreds of subpostmasters contacted over possible wrongful prosecutions' - the Post Office contacted hundreds of people who might have been prosecuted wrongfully, with some being sent to jail, following the Horizon scandal in which subpostmasters faced miscarriages of justice. Dozens of subpostmasters were prosecuted for theft, fraud and false-accounting because of the Post Office's defective Horizon accounting system, which had "bugs, defects and errors" from the outset. "If I hadn’t been pregnant I would have killed myself." The relevant people failed, repeatedly, to inform the judge and proper "authourities" about the computer problem. It took ages for their names to be cleared and the criminal records to be wiped.

Who is a judge to... well... judge? It doesn't know the individual - and if it did, it wouldn't be allowed to sit the case. The ignorance, 'impersonalness', non-intimacy, carelessness, professionality, cold distance, etc., of the judge is disgusting; it did nothing to earn their respect nor to be their 'accountability partner' or authourity over them, etc. If I were to have a say in my friend having a "sex change", then my say would have been earned and warranted; a judge is nothing but a jew-agent, possibly a jew agent. Making it similar to the DMV and diagnoses, etc. - the judge just reads an arbitrarily-decided punishment or result which the jew council decided again ignorantly, impersonally, non-intimately, carelessly, maybe professionally, coldly & distantly, etc. The rate of recidivism is not exactly very low; help tends to... well... help; the Mind is stubborn, the Soul takes a lot of work to change, "punishment" does very little.

I know Jack and SWG often say some questionable things, but I still like both of them. They're my allies, or brothers, in this war after all, and for that, I respect them. Not to mention, SWG is still very young and likely to grow, and Jack says some pretty smart things from time to time.
I said about Jack disliking Whites by not wanting Whites to procreate. Either I was correct in that, or I was incorrect and it might have been Shael. So either it was Jack (so then OK), or it was not Jack (so then this is a correction).

If I don't talk about it then I would probably just bottle it up and slowly grow to resent them, after all, over what could be a resolvable misunderstanding; and that would be a shame.
Hey - do you like GTA? San Andreas specifically? CJ says/sings Express yourself, because I'm from Grove Street. I just thought you might like to know! :p Lol. (Not that you need to be told this, but don't say what street - or if you are from a street - you are from!) By the way, Grove Street is a cul-de-sac...

I realised that it's important to say it after all because otherwise some people won't realise.
That's my thoughts. People can be lazy, so they won't go around all of the threads or easier than that - use the search function. It's like an annoying tannoy announcement all the time. Just be thankful, Jack (if you're reading this), that I don't go biiing booong beforehand each time!

I think now that you said it more for those who are themselves non-heterosexual in order to make them feel welcome, rather than to teach anyone who is heterosexual about it.
Yeah. I'm non-heterosexual myself, and I know it's OK and fine and things, so I want more to join & feel welcome and realise it's all good! I want them to join me in painting the Joy of Satan Ministries, at least on 2 days of the week, a nice shade of hot pink! (OK, I'm not like that - I just said that for the haters' benefit!)

F-friends? Friends sounds nice... I like friends.
I used to like F॰R॰I॰E॰N॰D॰S but I went off it. I'm not a big fan of comedy anymore. :p

I think the only exception to that is when the opinion might confuse others to such an extent that it could class as psychological warfare. HPHC mentioned disapproving posts like that before.
That sounds like gaslighting, but I expect that there may be more to it than just that, if that at all.

Although you invited me to wade through your post history, "5162" looks slightly intimidating. Maybe I'll have a look on some days when I'm feeling bored, though.
Well, there is a search function. If I could start a new trend and meme, I'd recreate the mic-drop to be a hint-drop. drops hint Hmmm... Maybe that won't work.

Conversation and debate are very precious things indeed, even if they can be a little frustrating at times. The conversations I have on these forums are so much more interesting than I have elsewhere. I wonder why; do Satanists just think about topics more deeply and speak more openly? Either way, it's something I enjoy very much.
I think people here "fit the profile", despite us being different and despite that we wouldn't fit the same profile... Again I recall others who are more shallow and sheeple - they enjoy, e.g. the kardashians and some reality TV and things (maybe some here do, but I mean that they "fit the profile" for that). Again - maybe you could search for "in-group" and "out-group" in my posts. Like attracts like (another one to search for!), so with the ways in which Energies flow, things happen in ways.

What I'm about to say is more likely to be very incorrect, so maybe as an analogy it might be OK - say energy flows through a pipe, like any substance flowing through a pipe it leaves residue. This residue builds up and after enough time it travels along the pipe towards the end of the pipe, to its opening. After it leaves the end of the pipe, someone comes into contact with it and that causes things to happen. While works are being done to fix the World, christians praise jewsus for that; and if e.g. christians was to pray for a wheelchair-bound person to be healed and it never worked, but then we did a working and it worked (like the story of "god" versus Ba'al, where "god"'s thing was soaking wet with water and a simple prayer made it burn and dry-up all of the water, where the others' prayers for their dry bit didn't burn at all (https://www.joyofsatan.org/SLIB/Updates/The_Real_Truth_About_Satan_and_Living_Blood_Sacrifice.html)), the christian would praise jeebuss for that. The christian would be feasting upon the tiny bits of residue, which is crappy and tasteless or maybe tastes tangy from dirt, that we did something good.

If you need to think about that, then I'll wait. Done? OK, I'll continue :)P) - Führer Lord Hitler caused massive changes. The crap TV programmes, films, music, etc., are all thanks to WW2 causing things to happen and causing things to speed-up - notice how much has boomed since then, with the creation of the jewnited Nations in 1942 and all sorts of other things to-date. What was another major, significant success in history? The Magna Carta? How long ago was that?! I can't really think of anything else, even if it started out only to force monarchs to be under law, rather than above it (allegedly). We have Technology now and many things to help us, with Animal Rights being created by, from what I think I read, the Nazis, etc., etc., etc. The christian is not permitted to use Technology, because it would still be living in a dew-dripping cave worshipping a kike-on-a-kross if people hadn't have used their Brains and learnt about knowledge of good and evil - necessity is the mother of invention, and jewsus would have us living like troglodytes; others enjoy the boom of Technology to watch their shit TV programmes and listen to their shit music, etc. i.e. (((media))). Hitler and the Nazis worked hard - lots of Energies trough the pipe - and the 'residue' of this is the empty, shallow, superficial, trivial, frivolous, hollow, insignificant, paltry, trite (I think you understand what I'm saying!) crap that people enjoy being distracted by now.

You enjoy it very much, you said. Do you like watching politics/controversial/topics programmes and debating/arguing about things on them?! I used to, but I CBA with them anymore. I still might, though.
 
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Meteor said:

Does might make right? Yes - we could punish, hurt, abuse, whatever... those weaker than us; but then maybe not - we could be punished by Satan, Beelzebub, or any other God or Goddess, one's own Guardian, etc.; or maybe still yes, that we could be punished for doing something against others. Maybe one day we'll be much more powerful than They, so that we can do our own will! Yeah, good luck with that! Maybe one would go to their own part/area of space (however big such 'part/area' would be) and be as authouritarian, Draconian, dictatorial, Dickensian as one wishes! Who is to punish us there? Satan, Beelzebub, Guardian, God or Goddess? Perhaps the abused/victim, once they get strong and powerful-enough?...

The trans-person's life is their own. They do what they want, and suffer the consequences and/or enjoy the 'pro-sequences', of it. Trans-ness has become a meme, and people - or sheeple - are just jumping on the bandwagon because muh feelz and meh not fit-in. I mentioned recently about Children saying it's not fair that (((they))) will die and the Children, etc., will remain and have to clean-up the mess - one Child said that, while watching Grease, it taught them that you have to change who you are, smoke, be with the bad ones, etc., to get a boyfriend (like Sandy did). This was a few years ago, but I wonder what they might say these days. re: this and this. I wonder if their opinion is still the same, or "their" opinion has changed. It's not my business what someone does with their Body and Bodies (Physical and Spiritual), but I don't think anyone should try and change it, but if an opportunity presented itself, or Magick was done to create such opportunity, then I wouldn't say no to the possibility of befriending them, if necessary.

I mentioned before that I was doing naughty sexual things while I was underage. These days, Children are not "allowed" to do such things (in one measure or another, they are not "allowed" to more so than before). I am going to be graphic, so consider this a warning, and also I like to make others uncomfortable, rattle cages, ruffle feathers, perhaps be a bit avant garde maybe, with things, with what I say, and how I say them (and also because others seem not to be as... bold or daring ) - a Boy is "allowed" to chop his bits off because he feels like he was supposed to be a Girl, but he is not "allowed" to use his bits in intimate ways. In a much more comfortable, but still hardly understandable, context - a Girl is "allowed" to look after a Baby at 16, but she is not "allowed" to look after herself soberly until she can get drunk at, and until, 18. I am sure that these examples, and however-many more, make so much sense in an alternate Universe, if such a "multiverse" existed, somewhere. :roll: A child doesn't know that eating broccoli and sprouts actually are good for them, but the World cares more about giving disabled people preferential treatment and trying to convince everyone that they are superhuman.

Regarding Jack directly and specifically - you might have read what I said in reply to him recently. I prefer to not talk shit about someone behind their back, as it were, even if this is a public forum. Perhaps Jack is correct; perhaps Jack's thoughts and opinions are stubborn and unwavering. There was an older thread where Jack disliked the idea of Whites having more Babies because "safety in numbers" and Whites being a minority - including in our own Lands... I wont, nor can I, tell you who Jack is to say this, that and the other; I can, however, share information which can be viewed in threads and posts. Then you can make your own mind up.

I want to pick some nits. No, not out of your hair, but with something you said -

See people for who they really are and judge them accordingly!
Do you know the term "trap"? In context, it is a Boy who looks indistinguishably like a Girl, that you would think she was a she and not a he, yet he is, in fact, a he. Of course, there are better and worse ones. If a MtF or FtM trans-person does such a transition, for whatever reason they think - or have been brainwashed - into believing is correct, then how can we possibly see, experience, treat, regard, etc., him/her for whom s/he actually is? Then how can we judge, behave, respond etc. accordingly? Should we be forced into the correct pronouns, or should we defend our own opinions, understandings and realisations? If we can see into his/her Soul, then I expect that we could see that s/he is Male or Female, but trying to explain that to him/her would fall on deaf ears as much as telling christians they are misinformed and deluded and spreading anti-beneficial information. Any amount of attempting to correct them, as long as we definitely are correct, would drive them further into their trans-ness and (possible) permanent damaging, malformation, mutilation. Taking the slower approach of slow-but-sure discouragement away from things, encouragement towards other things, and convincing and persuasion might also not work; people's minds are set and minds can be so stubborn.

On the other hand, to give the benefit of the doubt - s/he might actually be correct; maybe his/her Soul went into a wrong Body...somehow, but could that be so allowed, permitted or just ignored to happen, by our Gods and Goddesses? i.e. would they not intervene to make sure the Soul went into the correct Body? Perhaps the trans-person, knowingly or unknowingly, was "called" to be a pioneer or agent, or were just used as such. You're a powerful person and a thing goes wrong. You're not going to just ignore it and let it go more and more wrong; you'd get your own agents involved to steer it back correctly and redirect things back on-track. Going back to "in the correct Body" - remove media and education and such influences; it would die-out. I wonder why, back in history, we didn't have trans-ness happening. In before "newly" "discovered" "artefacts" and "proofs" showing Jason's Argonauts and the Vikings all participated in transsexualism - and that'd be the reason why they were drunk so much, to numb the pain because there wasn't anasthaesia, and also hide the pain of feeling wrong all their lives... Maybe the gay actor who played Mercury in Sabrina, the Teenaged Witch (Patrick Bristow) was an accurate portrayal. :roll:

Who knows who and what someone truly is? The Gods and Goddesses, of course, but They don't interfere; it's each individual person's life and Bodies. If it turns out that this trans-person member is wrong after being able to communicate and then advancing themself, then oops; if they are not wrong, then perhaps - dare I suggest - a jew's pathetic excuse for a soul could be cleaned and Gentilised! :eek: Maybe trans-speciesism would work! Maybe we can have a viable, healthy Human/pig hybrid! Of course, I'm taking it too far. If a jew soul "could" transform into a Gentile Soul. not that that would happen nor be permitted, then that person wouldn't be that person anymore. If it is true that the Human Soul, in trans-persons, is in the wrong Body, then I would think that they would be in more prominent roles for pioneering and leading the way, rather than just anyone having it and doing it.

Ages ago I mentioned about not being able to understand what it would be like to be pregnant, seeing as I am Male. Even if I were given permission, and it was safe, to inhabit a pregnant Woman's Body, due to my Soul having Male parts instead of Female parts, I still don't think I would be able to experience the actual sensations and have the intimacy and understanding of such a thing. I really don't think that a Soul can change sex; thus, I find it difficult to believe that a Soul could exist in a wrong Body, without having major birth defects and/or diseases or other things happening to the relevant Body parts sooner or later. You can put wrong batteries in a battery-operated remote-controlled car; you can put the wrong fuel in your vehicle, you can use the wrong mechanical parts from a helicopter for your spaceship... I think it was said that an advanced Human could put their Soul, or Astral projection, into e.g. their pet dog's Body for a short time - or if it wasn't said, then it was speculated.

To any trans-person, including the member in-question - I don't mean to be offensive, upsetting, insulting. If it isn't broke, don't try to fix it. People have become too soft, and having to change the way they are, and to change themselves, in such extreme and permanent measures, to be happy seems hardly positive. To not be biased - maybe the trans-persons were kept waiting to be reincarnated at this time for importance.

Again - at the risk of speaking behind someone's back - apparently, SWG is like 18, so immature, from what I have picked up on (that's not my opinion) - not to mention his neck is rather a tinge of crimson (he said that's how I joke, and he was not upset about me saying similar things before, so I dare say this now!), and I think we all know their (crimson-tinged-necked peoples') attitudes on things! I might recreate Top Gear's bit about loving and supporting and promoting Gay Love in a pink car and drive around over there! It's all good, though - I love it when people say, "If I was in power, I'd..." because they love the fantasy. Someone I know says similar things, and they're very serious about it, and I makes me take the piss out of them, because they have zero power to change anything and they're so upset about things. They play the lottery and tell me that they have a greater chance of being a millionaire because I don't pay that tax on stupid people! One example, of someone else, was from an advert on TV - a little Girl takes some non-money bits and bobs to a shop to buy a chocolate bar for her mum. She looks at a little pony keyring (I think it looks like), and the shopkeeper says that pony is her change, and she takes the chocolate bar out to her mum; this other person who I knew was moody about that because it was teaching Children wrong things.

My lollage to both of these people, and if I knew SWG personally, then it would also be to him, is that they are getting all bent out of shape and upset over something they don't just have zero possibility of influencing, but negative-1 million chance of changing remotely (except that SWG has potential to have positive-1 million chance, of course; but then, euthanasia due to an opinion wouldn't get very far) - and they're so serious about it, as if they think they're any form of authourity, etc., and if anyone agreed with them then their brain would release dopamine to make them feel good that they changed the World in their imaginations. (In other words, I am calling them dopes, idiots.) They need to get their head out of their arses, and start prioritising things. It's sort of similar, my reaction is, to those who think they have a problem with me bcs reaz0ns (see this); I just go on my merry way ignoring them and getting on with my life. I don't react to them in-person, but later I think to myself about me being a celebrity to them and wondering if they want my autograph. People need to focus and stop pretending to care about things which they don't bother trying to fix!

Another example is on TV - I watch a programme sometimes which has TV viewers watching TV, and we see their reactions, etc. (similar to the Children with Grease and (((them))) dying, which I mentioned); when sad things come on, e.g. a Nature programme where wild seals climb a dangerous height, and then just drop down to their deaths, on top of other seals who have begun to rot, these viewers fake-cry and cry about making the World a better place, while they do nothing to make the World a better place. (I could go further than that still and say about celebrities who would not do charity fund-raising events without getting paid, begging you for your money, while they have loads of money and don't give any of it... (and now BoJo - or should I say bojew, having a lot of money spent on Downing Street flat and not being forthcoming with where they money came from, while also saying, allegedly, it would prefer bodies to pile-up rather than go into another lockdown (BoJo doesn't care about Saving Lives)))

I don't laugh and take the piss out of these last examples because they're not quite the same as the previous. I shared them because they're sort-of similar, with money being owned and things still having got worse and worse. People pretend to care and pretend to have priorities and pretend to think things are important, but do nothing about anything. They're basically christians, pretending to help by "praying", instead of going out and helping!

I realise what you are saying, re: short and mixed-Race individuals. That's similar as to why I mention non-heterosexuality also being also Natural - not about it being "acceptable" here (that doesn't really enter into it for me); rather, that is is Natural. I don't do it to pollute or spam; it's for someone who might see just 1 thread and are seeking validation, for example, who may be interested in SS and/or NS or maybe who might be gay and maybe are seeking devil-worship as rebellion against "god"... who couldn't find a welcoming community for non-heterosexuals. Take this lack of mentioning in such a thread, to extremes - the entirety of JoSM removes any and all references to non-heterosexuality; what would everyone think? (Not you, but someone/anyome else)Call it OCD and autism; meh. Vibrating a Word of Power 216 times is, therefore, autistic and OCD-y, yes? (That's a rhetorical question.) I will admit, though, that the more I do it, and if it were e.g. every day or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times per day, then it would happen automatically; therefore, be OCD-y and autistic, though.

(Off-topic: I think some, but not all, mental ill-health regarding behaviours (autism, OCDs, anxiety, depression, phobias, etc.) are learned and need to be un-learned and replaced, and the person needs to be distracted from them and their Brains re-wired so that they realise, e.g. spiders are not dangerous nor scary! A fear of heights is valid, though, of course... Being neurotic is a behaviour, and behaviours can change; autism, for example - people seem to ignore the personality of the person; one who gets upset with things and throws wild and attacking tantrums, some might say, needs a swift smack to teach them not to attack others again; spoilt brats can't always get their own way; might is right?! They, of course, should get their own way some of the time.)

I can't say if it makes you a fool or not. If you have not already, then you will find your footing here. A couple of the things I have said on this FancyMancy account (including on the previous, shoahed forum) I said on other accounts and got banned. In hindsight, it both makes sense and either a dick mod or a mod who was new and learning the ropes, etc., banned me, plus I hadn't established a sense of trust in me yet. The context of my replies may also have been misunderstood, and the forum needs to be kept safe, so as to make certain there is no reason for it to be shut down for whatever real or imagined offensive reasons. If you have a problem, then it's up to you, but I don't want to encourage very probable fighting. Mature debating should be done, but people take things too personally too quickly all the time, plus others don't care so they just troll.

NinRick here even thought homosexuality isn't natural (which surprised me and perfectly proved your point)
Which point did I make?

I agree with you now that reminders that certain things are accepted here, and in many cases even natural, are also very important.
This is my opinion. I shouldn't try to influence others to agree with me, based on my own opinions. My opinions might be wrong and I don't want to lead others astray. If anyone else agrees with me about things which they might be uncertain about (not including agreeing about obvious things or trivial things), maybe because I type in a certain way or they somehow like me for whatever reason, then that's up to them. Of course, I won't discourage anyone from agreeing with me! That's nice! It's to have friends! Lols.

Otherwise, poorly phrased or poorly-thought-through opinions will only breed and spread needless prejudice and stupid misunderstandings.
To be honest, I think that I still have that to deal with. Even if I/we are incorrect, at least we can sort of glide along together, and then if one of us bumps into a rapid on the river and it swooshes us on with greater momentum towards a more correct understanding, then at least the ride was good! Another reason I think brainstorming and discussion about probably less-than-100%-correct things is important, is that that happens. Others can see this and be inclined to realise we're not just christian-like freaks who go on about - as it might seem to them - nonsense things; we're an actual community with stuff and conversations and things. There has been all sorts of topics on JoSM forums (and the Yahoo!-shoahed Yahoo! Groups). If anyone wants to chat about recipes, there is a health and well-being section, for example. It's not quite a meme board for lolcats and funny failed stunt videos, though, but they can still be shared. (I wanted to share with you here a link to a video or .gif I shared before which I thought was funny, but I don't know where it is. Maybe you can find it if you feel so inclined to wade through all of my posts! Notice I didn't tell you any description of it?! :p)

Regarding being pedantic - I have been on forums and chatrooms for years. I sort of know how they can be. Yeah, it does feed the OCD, autistic, pedanticism aspects of things over time, because they go a certain number of ways, and especially so with repeating the same things and sharing the same links (which I suspect is why an FAQ was created before), but in making change happen, repetition is key. If you like, have a search through my posts and see how many times I have said "repetition is key"!
I NEVER said Whites shouldn't have more babies. Link the text or the thread where i said this.

I stopped talking about white population issues because I realized that there was no solution to this problem immediately. The roots of this problem stems from Feminism and Liberalism which is hardcoded within Western societies upon which the foundation of their "values" are based upon. This is too ingrained to be fixed like this quickly.

There really is no short term fix to this issue because the base is so far gone that nothing can be done at this point.

You won't be able to convince all these women to make enough babies to compete with the millions of non whites in Europe and America.

You'll have to first push the non whites out with force which won't happen until the current order collapses.

The only path forward is that there is a positive development of white societies through the accelerationist collapse of the world we're going through now where they regain control of their countries and then use the military to push the non whites out.

Mass Acceptance of Transgenderism is symbolic that a Civilization has crossed the Rubicon and cannot turn back. Its too far gone.

When the restructuring of countries happen, the whites need to think hard about what values they are going to teach the women and men and if that is going to lead to prosperity or destruction. A society with values that were against children and nature was doomed to fail.

I understand why you are triggered and unable to accept generalizations. I get it. I know that the people who identify as transgenders here are good people, trying to do good. I know that people who are good will be hurt by generalizations.

There is so much disorder in this world that the only way to fix it ,is extreme society wide actions that will inadvertently affect a lot of people who are good and just.

Im at a point in my development where I can see the matrix very clearly and I'm beyond having petty hatred against particular groups. I can see how all the cogs and gears work and how all of it is pieced together.

We've gone through this before many a times before in history and probably this time is the zenith which hasn't happened in this way since 6000 years.

I don't even know what to say anymore. There's nothing much to talk about these issues. What's going to happen is going to happen and the only thing to see if something positive bears fruit.

Im done having pointless discussions. If anyone is still wavering about his opinions, then you'll have to make up your mind in the future. There's nothing more to discuss currently.

I don't have the same beliefs as you and that is fine. We'll just have to see what the leaders of the future enact.
 
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Jack said:
I NEVER said Whites shouldn't have more babies. Link the text or the thread where i said this.
I replied again because I thought that I made a mistake. I think it is irrelevant by now, though.

I understand why you are triggered and unable to accept generalizations. I get it. I know that the people who identify as transgenders here are good people, trying to do good. I know that people who are good will be hurt by generalizations.
That's an attack. I was replying to someone and just mentioned you, then I redacted what I said.

I don't even know what to say anymore. There's nothing much to talk about these issues. What's going to happen is going to happen and the only thing to see if something positive bears fruit.
Users here are more to be intelligent and understanding of what some might call higher things, higher knowledge. Others who are new or who might troll or just talke a bit of interest here or want to learn... might not understand such 'higher' concepts, or not in the same ways. For those who are 'higher', it might be true what you say that not much needs to be said about things, but for 'lower' individuals, they more-than-likely need to have such conversations or read such conversations. For yourself and other 'higher' ones, it might be unneeded, but for others I do think it is very much needed. In other words, for yourself you might prefer not to go on about such things, but in my opinion other people, including some here already, can still learn and benefit from what you and others have to say, even if you and others think it doesn't need to be said. I don't think it is irrelevant and unneeded.

Im done having pointless discussions. If anyone is still wavering about his opinions, then you'll have to make up your mind in the future. There's nothing more to discuss currently.
Wavering about mine?

I don't have the same beliefs as you and that is fine. We'll just have to see what the leaders of the future enact.
I don't think having a "sex change" is something which should be done, but I do think being calm and considerate, for some who do choose to put themselves through such things, is needed and important. Maybe we should lock-out all 'others' who are not of us, block them from entering, and be our own little cliqué or cult. Maybe some members here can act as bridges between where newbs are and to where 'higher' members are, to overcome problems and circumstances. Like a bridge over troubled water...




Meteor said:
I don't know anyone from the Hearsay Hills, but I do know how to find some relevant data on the internet.
As far as I know it's not an actual place. I was going for a colourful way to say "hearsay, according to others, through the grapevine..." (although, after replying further down where you use it again, I think you understood my meaning).

With it becoming more accepted and even turning into a bit of a trend, that also draws in a lot of people who would regret actually going through with it, and based on the data, they were properly detected and sent away.
I just wish the jew would hurry up and get someone else to dig-up a "new discovery" of a rich archive of our Vikings, etc., "proving" that they also had "sex changes", but due to one thing or another, the time capsule was lost in... well... time.

According to a survey in the US, the regret rate for transgender surgeries was between 4-11%. That is about 1600% more regret than in the Netherlands. Due to the sample of such a survey being very baised for multiple reasons (those who committed suicide cannot fill out a survey, and some who regret it might attempt to detransition and no longer identify as transgender and therefore not fill out the survey), the actual difference is likely to be much higher still.
Does it also go per country? America is much larger than the Netherlands, so that percentage would be different.

In the end they have to realise it for themselves, or they won't want to change change their ways.
I don't think they do, though. It is, or is becoming, "accepted" or "normal" or "OK" or whatever. In other words, such people need to seek acceptance, permission, validation from strangers so that they think that they can be happy with themselves. 50 years ago, if someone "felt" the opposite sex, would they have had a "sex change" or would they have been happy and proud with their sex and got on with their lives?

I'll give people my flavour of common sense if I think they lack it, but beyond that I don't see a point in trying to "convert" someone.
By the point you, and anyone, might manage to be able to share your/their thoughts on a subject with them, they'd have made up their minds a long time ago already - maybe for better, maybe for worse.

I've heard of Uvall who is said to be unisex, although it's unclear what that means. It could mean intersex, or it could be an allegory, or maybe Uvall just likes being mysterious like that. I don't think I've ever met Him(?) so I wouldn't know.
I don't know either, but a fourth possibility is that He/She was a hermaphrodite and hasn't managed to reallign that to the correct sex yet. That's just a wild speculation.

On the other hand, I've heard it's common for transgender people to regret not starting hormone treatment earlier, due to the permanent nature of some changes during puberty.
Puberty is very big Physical and Biological changes, and such amount of changes also affects the Mind/Psychology and the Soul. Doing pre-puberty hormone...well... interference surely is not healthy for any of the Physical and Spiritual Bodies. I wonder how some Children are seemingly born autistic and with other deformities. Speculation is for those born deformed, they were perhaps kidnapped during (((special holidays))) and... things happened, which scarred their Souls deeply, causing massive damage in the next life. For those autistic, they learned certain ways and behaviours and ways of thinking in previous lives, and they carried over into next lives, all with people not catering to their needs, so they were more 'in themselves', and it reiterated again and again... as perhaps an oversimplification.

Having such changes for "corrective surgery" would be so huge. That would also cause major problems in any possible future lives. I think it's like a way to influence the Soul quicker is to do a Physical Body modification, and enjoy, support, encourage, grow... this so that the Mind and Psychology are intoxicated with it, which then feeds the Soul. (Consider the energy of the Soul as like another resource for healing after the Physical Body becomes ill.) The damage from being changed "to another sex" is so immense, and the attention and love given to it helps to increase the speed.

However, I think that is their own fault and that they shouldn't use that as an excuse to push this kind of thing onto children and teenagers.
How many people, and sheeple, live vicariously, in whichever different ways?! Some Parents, for example, couldn't do things, so they feel the need to "live" that life through their Children.

[If they were really so sure then they would've acted like some kind of possessed monster and made it happen no matter what, but I believe the truth is that they needed all that time in order to make sure it was really what they wanted.
People often say X time in the past was simpler. These days, there are so many different things to do, to be distracted by, the enjoy, to keep up with, to focus upon... It's like divide and conquer - the more things there are, the more people and sheeple split-off into their own groups, and those in any particular in-group are like; like attracts like; anyone else, in the out-groups, are not wanted, and in any in-group, things are reiterated and reinforced so much that it feeds the Physical Body (e.g. tattoos, piercings, clothes worn, foods eaten, exercise done, etc., etc., etc.) which then feeds the Mind and Psychology and the Soul, which then, with it being so deeply within them, they believe it is them. With all of these many different in-groups, these things to be distracted by and focus upon, etc., people become disjointed and disconnected, more lonely, more dejected, perhaps even in their own in-group; then "need" to find solace and acceptance in "normalisation" of things and (((things))).

Wishing in hindsight that they could've made up their mind sooner makes sense, but coping with that frustration by pushing other children and teenagers in such a direction, even going as far as to claim they're "saving" them, is outright insane.
How very christian-like is that?! They think that they are helping and "saving", etc.

They have no idea how those children really feel or what's best for them, and are just projecting their own experiences onto others.
I doubt you know but I'll ask, maybe rhetorically, anyway - how long have the sayings "Children should be seen and not heard" and "Do as I say, not as I do", etc. existed?!

What goes around comes around; or so I believe, because when I see what I believe to be injustice, I'm quick to take action to make it that way. I believe that the greatest injustice is to harm an innocent person for personal gain; based on that, perhaps you can see why I hate jews and parasites in general more than anything.
Currently, the jew - who wAnTs PeACe (I have a thread I want to make soon, but I am waiting to do it...) - reckons it has a right to exist. Should we love (corona)viruses and bacteria, who "have a right to (also) exist"?!

What goes around comes around; or so I believe, because when I see what I believe to be injustice, I'm quick to take action to make it that way. I believe that the greatest injustice is to harm an innocent person for personal gain; based on that, perhaps you can see why I hate jews and parasites in general more than anything.
In perhaps an off-topic context, this is something which I came to realise. Certain types of bright people who have academic learning or other big influences have been focussed with blinkers, that all they can think and consider is in the way in which they have been taught (or brainwashed). I think this might be a reason why no commoner (allegedly) is capable of inventing a machine or device which gives decent energy, so instead we all have to pay too much to big energy companies, for example.

I was known in the community for writing code that defied the limitations of the game's engine to such an extent that people could not believe what they were seeing.
If anyone can take a subject and expand upon it, then I think that is a good thing, if it is used for benefit of Earth and Her Inhabitants, of course (obviously, the jew is not Hers).

When you go off the "straight and narrow", things stop working like one would expect.
Like they're "sUpPoSeD tO"?!

Does that make sense to you?
The more you do things, the more you get used to it and can make sense of it, and - depending on what it is - overcome it. you might get cuts and scrapes sometimes, but that can be learning opportunities.

Does that make sense to you? Going "against" nature is a futile endeavour that only leads to detriment as the laws of nature are absolute. But if you understand more deeply how nature really works, then you can squeeze your way past common sense to make the rules work in your favour, doing things that would make those with a less deep understanding unable to believe their eyes.

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When I coded things that put others in disbelief, I did not work against the engine or bend its rules in any way. I simply used its rules in ways no one else thought of before to achieve results that were unheard of.
In a Physical way, and regarding what I said about energy creation for powering devices and things, I have thought about a device which, in my limited understanding due to not being a mechanic, electrician nor inventor, I wonder might work. The more one thinks about things, or a thing, the more they can learn more about it (with the very real possibility of having interfering ideas and problems, which can also be part of the growth and learning, I suppose sort of like the knots in the Soul which need to be overcome).

I believe nature is no different.
Given freedom and time, I think we could both learn, and also learn to learn the secrets of Nature. As we keep saying - advancement is eternal - thinking about the current Technology we have today, and seeing examples of possible Technology in sci-fi... I both wonder and could marvel at what other possible Technology could be invented, which Technologies the enemy has, which our Gods and Goddesses have, and also what else is there possibly to learn about higher advancement, i.e. Satan still advancing - towards what exactly?! It quite literally is 'beyond our imagination' at present. Of course, some would argue that if He is, and if They are, so advanced, then why not this, that and the other... and some would use the lack of answer or lack of acceptable answer or lack of comfortable answer as a reason to be in opposition.

In any system, when you look past what is normal, you may see a world of counter-intuitive possibilities that could be achieved through methods that in turn seem impossible themselves; but if you look yet further, you may see even more counter-intuitive ways to make even those methods possible.
Quantum Physics, as according to the highly educated, seems to defy other laws and rules - and Quantum Physics is part of a way to explain exactly what we, JoSM members, go on about. One argument I like, and have used, is to opposers (which might actually be j00z, of course) is to disprove it, to prove it all wrong. I am thinking in the past that for any advancement, or perhaps any level of achievement, in Society and Technology, it was met with opposition. We know of at least some cases, but I wonder if it was more common than that; until the Industrial Revolution and then now the Digital Age and soon to be Space Age where things are more accepted or less unaccepted, previously "god" hated "adam" and "eve" for using the Brains it gave them.

Then thinking similarly to what I said above about Technological and Spiritual advancement and what there possibly could be - further on than that, if a society were to advance Technologically-only, or with limited Spiritual advancement, either by choice or as an experiment or something - what possible Technology, as an equivalent to Spiritual abilities, might exist? In other words - any possible Spiritual thing or ability, do or have that but in a purely Technological manner. What could there be?! It would be rather more difficult to power such devices, perhaps, and I don't mean WMDs, necessarily. I also wonder if, advancing in Technology only, that after a certain point, it not just turns into but actually becomes, actually is Spiritual inevitably, so that such single-minded Technological advancement would actually turn into Spiritual advancement eventually, even if attempts were made to sway away from Spirituality.

But who can understand nature deeply enough to know that they're not being idiotic when they attempt to do something that most people consider unbelievable? Well, for starters, the Gods can.
I have to presume that They had to start somewhere. I can only surmise that either They were under occupation and They managed to do things secretly in order to advance and become free, or that They were never under occupation and their Star, one main one being Betelgeuse, and its properties were very generous and rewarding.

This is one of the most fortunate of fixed stars and is frequently prominent in the charts of those who have had major success in life . Betelgeuse brings wealth, honors, fame and fortune.

The Gods and Goddesses around Betelgeuse must have had bonuses upon bonuses, luxuries upon luxuries and cornucopia upon cornucopia from the star. Then, of course, shared that prosperity and abundance with others. It also makes me wonder how unique Betelgeuse is in our galaxy, in the known universe, in the Universe - including in the enemies' parts. Perhaps some of the enemy have a similar star and they either chose or were more inclined towards not-very-good, compared to ours', Spiritual means.

I've thought some more about what I said regarding it being too difficult for some people to overcome, and their Souls appearing scarred and wounded to me. I realised it was a negative way to think about it. I think that as long as someone wills it, it's possible to overcome anything, and heal from anything. However, in cases like this the will is often the opposite; some would go as far as to say they want to change their bodies no matter what, and don't seem to change their mind even over a long period of time.
Without repeating myself, I would like to draw your attention back to what I said earlier about the Body, Mind, Psychology and Soul. It can also work in other ways; I don't think it has to be only Body-to-Mind/Psychology-to-Soul.

On another note, I had the idea yesterday that perhaps sometimes if someone is sufficiently proficient at healing, a "sex change" would not interfere with their ability to heal themselves completely, but only changes what they will end up being in the end.
Healing takes a lot of Energy, though and for a prolonged period of time, and as usual it is also best to go beyond the point when one thinks the healing is complete. I think that means it can also be draining/tiring and need to 'recharge' (but that might just be anti-Spirituality sci-fi influence), unless they are a Daemon/God, though.

I used to think such people were damaged forever, but that if they could still be happy despite that, then that's what matters.
I don't know... Today, (((media and education, including therapy/similar things))) are to force anyone to believe that being disabled is a superpower and should be embraced instead of healed. This is, of course, a distraction away from Spiritual powers - if they love the lowness, then they might not care about healing and if/when they are informed about being healed, and that they can do it themselves, they might be upset and offended because they fell in-love with the disabilities.

If someone, let's say someone who wants to have a "sex change" or already did, would not want to befriend you for your opinion, is that not only because they're insecure?
I am of the opinion that, for most people, the in-group/out-group mechanism takes precedence. A person could be "friends" with their barman or hairdresser and tell them things, but not really. If they really don't care what others think or say or do, and they are proud in good ways or proud in bad ways about themselves, then I think that should possibly make it more likely for them to befriend you regardless of your own opinion.

If they know for sure that their decision was right, then your opposing opinion would be meaningless to them and therefore not an issue, I suppose. It is only when they're uncertain but desperate to believe that it was right that the opinions of others on something like that carry weight.
How often do people make properly-informed decisions about things, though? We've been living in a world where we have had incomplete information, that we have had to surmise, presume, suppose and extrapolate for such a long time that it has nearly become second-nature to us. Then we've wondered how and why things were not as advertised or promised, which we've had to pay for.

If you would befriend someone who had a "sex change" and doesn't regret it despite your opinion, then I do not see why they would not befriend you just because their experiences contradict your opinion. As long as there is a reason to be friends, it's perfectly possible to look past some differences.
Whether trans-person or other, I think these people, these types of people, are very few and very far between. I do hope I am wrong, though.

Based on my experiences in those dreams, I think you would feel the sensations fully, even if you were in an opposite sex body.
To be graphic - did you feel a clitoral orgasm on your real-life non-Female-clitoris, or was it on your real-life Male-urethra? A G-spot one on your P-Spot? I can't see how it would feel correct as it should if one doesn't have the parts.

Although perhaps it would feel a bit unnatural and confusing mentally, but that's besides the point here.
Sorry, that made me lol - but while it might be beside your point - was it unnatural and confusing? Perhaps my point is made; it cannot 'translate' properly due to not having the parts.

Once again, that's just based on my own experiences though. Perhaps I'm just weird, and unlike me, you would be unable to feel such sensations. Even so, I think my experiences contradict your assumption here about the limitations.
So far, I have only others' experiences to go on. It sort of does help build a bit of a picture.

I was wondering a few days ago: what is freedom? Is freedom to defy the expectations of others and do what you believe in? Is freedom the courage to let go of your beliefs and walk in a new direction? Is freedom to be unbiased in your decisions, to not be influenced by your past? But is freedom not also to retaliate against the wrongs of the past and right them?
To the poor jew, it was not free until it stole and raped Palestine off the Palestinians, but to this day it is still not free (notice the contradictions in the jew and its "thinking") because it is persecuted. To the christian, it is not free because it is persecuted every day but is free because jewsus died for it (notice the jewish contradictions again). To the muslim, it is free because it has "allah" on its side, but if Female then lives in a misogynistic world (again - contradictions in jew-ness). To the backslider leaving christianity or islam, they are free from all of that and they might go and be free in another in-group to which they actually are not free, but they might feel and believe that they are. To the person who left an abusive relationship, they are free from the control and abuse and things, but not really free because of the memories and things which remind them about it. To the Spiritual Satanist, they are free from anything and everything they set their Mind to and put work into, and to heal themselves of... I would say that there isn't a "definition", but once we reach the heights of Spirituality, then that is freedom - but work has to be done; again to repeat what Führer Lord Hitler said - it's a struggle.

If I'm always doing what I want and what I believe in, does that mean I am free? Or am I a slave to my past, which determined what I would want and believe? As of yet, I've not found an answer.
I was going to say "unfortunately" and "regrettably"; however, it is actually a good thing...that I don't know you and your things. (I don't expect that you are actually asking me these things, though). What I was going to say is that I can't see your life and previous lives, so I don't think it can be answered by anyone except for you - the Gods and Goddesses have Their own lives and are busy with things, so it really is only you who can truly answer that properly.

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Freeing the Soul first before that, as well, I would say. Perhaps for anyone individually, learning and knowing oneself does not come all at once; rather, in bits and pieces or in levels.

Confusion about the definition of freedom aside (since you mentioned Freeing the Soul), I strongly agree with you that willignness is key in achieving any kind of change.
The more I think about things, the more I am thinking that the Brain is a conduit, which 'has' or creates the Mind, between Physicality and Spirituality. We can try to do something, but if we are stubborn and unwilling, then our Brain and Mind will not project this into the Astral, which carries its own weight and powers. It seems Spirituality is more powerful than Physicality, so if we are unwilling, then we are basically fighting a losing battle. We have to attempt and be willing, which - again as above - feeds one Body and another Body and another Body, and with the Physical and Spiritual things working together, that makes things happen, manifests things. I could be incorrect or wrong entirely, of course, but it makes sense to me. If there are any posts or sermons which allude to this, or mention it directly, then I don't think I have seen them. (That has happened quite a lot with me; it seems mere coincidence, but surely - surely - after 1, 2, 3, 10, 20, 100... coincidences...maybe they're not coincidences anymore.)

Regarding that: what decides whether or not a species of plant is a weed? Or rather, who decides?
Yeah, they're all nature - so is the jew! Even some or all(?) weeds still have buds or flowers, though. I know I have seen one species of weed which grew tall before it sprouted a more flower-like bud. Maybe things like RHS Chelsea Flower Show hypes-up the prettiness of things, but weeds tend to choke flowers so I think that reason alone (as well as Japanese knotweed!!) is why they are so disliked. Maybe 'lower' people, untermensch, are weeds, but they still can show flower-like prettiness - can a weed be healed into a flower? A Human might be able to, but that is up to the individual.

Aside from that, I think it's a very good analogy. Those who delude themselves may feel good as long as they keep believing in the illusions they create, but since they are out of touch with reality, they will never truly grow as a person that way.
It is worse-than regrettable that too many Humans haven't had the opportunity to improve properly. That's why they think and feel that they have to - and actually do have to - go and do and be involved with this, that and the other, which may be good, very good, bad or very bad in one way or another. The christian "explains" this - that "god" threw seeds along a garden, some of the seeds landed on the path where "god" walked, some landed on bad soil, others landed on good soil... It never said anything about "god" picking up the ones which landed in crap places, nor did it say about "god" teaching itself better aim. All the story tells me is that "god" has both bad aim and it is a bad gardener. It gave "adam" and "eve" a tempting tree of knowledge afterall, which it forbade them from eating - forbade them from learning good and evil after providing them with a Brain, no less, so that "god" could keep power and control - con-troll (con, as opposed to pro; and troll as in being a troll). (Another jew contradiction. Why not - visit this thread for a lovely jew-contradictorial piece of faeces.)

The catch is that some of the effects of hormones (such as the development of the genitals, deepening of the voice, growth of facial hair, growth of breasts, and bone growth and fixation) are permanent, so changing the hormones later would leave some thing unchanged, depending on the stage of development of the body.
Another one which I think strengthens my point/thoughts about "sex changes". The Mind/Psyche, Soul and Body all affect each other. I have to be careful, lest I be stubborn in this when presented with other reliable contradictory information.

That aside, I agree on what sex change should actually mean: to go as far as to change even the primary sex characteristics (including internal genitalia) in such a way that even reproduction as the resulting sex would be possible.
That, I think, is a major factor. For now, most, if not all, would ignore it; if "sex changes" were to continue for decades or centuries, then those in the future would forget, so conveniently, that these current ones couldn't bare Children now. I don't know of any actual case of any post-transition egg/sperm production and successful pregnancy.

a birth of a healthy human baby from a transplanted womb in 2014
Like any transplanted organ or bit or piece, it is not their own, so it is like a bionic arm or prosthetic leg - not actual. Some species of Animal can change sex if they need to, in order to propagate their offspring. They are much simpler than Humans. Humans should be proud to be themselves, instead of having to "change sex". While cats seem to be proud and arrogant creatures all full of themselves and stuck-up - are Humans the only species who has a self-of pride and self-worth and self-esteem? I know Animals can be depressed and sad, etc.

I think if people could somehow "grow" such body parts themselves
Well, we do, of course! Also it has been said that once reaching a certain level of advancement and empowerment, Body parts can re-grow. I think it was after the Kundalini is raised carefully and successfully. (There can be dangerous raising of the Kundalini.) I can't decide if I'd expect this to be quick growth overnight, or slower over weeks or months, maybe noticeably. If it was quick, then I think it would be painful. I think that also means teeth can regrow, as well, which might be fun! Then after reaching such a height as Hero/Heroine, Daemon/Daemoness or God/Goddess, the sex-change things would be undone.

although I'm still happy for the women who struggled with infertility but were able to have children anyway because of these new medical advancements.
Well, that is a big point. Illnesses still exist and diseases still exist and ageing still exists, etc., and with con-troll-avirus and this plan-demic, hospitals have been overstretched and it said here it would take as many as 5 years to clear the backlog of NHS patients being seen to... and people are upset and depressed and things because they feel that they are in the wrong Body...

It was a trick question, and that is the correct answer. There is no genetic material in humans that allows an adult to change into the opposite sex; the only thing similar to that is the SRY gene which allows an otherwise female fetus to develop into a male baby, but as you said, that is something that happens in an earlier stage of development... Usually.
I think there will be a major influx of cases of grasping-at-straws-itis regarding your "usually" there. "Well, these changes do happen, however rarely, so that's why we should continue on with sex-changes!"

I was actually unaware of the above condition until you mentioned it. I've heard of clitoral enlargement occurring when female-to-male transgenders use testosterone gel or injections for masculinisation, but not about it transforming fully. Could it be due to the presence of the Y chromosome in Guevedoces, unlike the transgender individuals who have two X chromosomes and lack the SRY gene?
I'm afraid I don't know. I invite you to research it; it took me a few attempts to find the article so I expect there might not be much information about it.

In that case, if you could insert the Y chromosome into their genetics somehow and supplement testosterone, would that result in the growth of a full-fledged penis even in adults? Or does it only occur in Guevedoces because their genitalia were actually still in some intermediate state and therefore more prone to change?
From what I can gather, it is as said - the lack of an enzyme in the womb caused the lack of a penis and testes to form; during puberty another (or in this case, the only) 'burst' of this enzyme happened, causing the supposed-to-have-been-in-womb occurance to happen at about 12 years of age. That's the extent of my knowledge about it. I wonder how different these individuals would be in adulthood; some keep their Female name, but I wonder if they might carry themselves similarly as camp and flamboyant gay Males do or if there might have been enough of the enzyme in puberty that they were corrected.

My curiosity about such specifics aside, the point still stands: whether a person's body is male or female is the result of whether or not they had the SRY gene prenatally and their hormone levels at different stages of the development of their body. Changing the hormones or genetics at a later point might change some things, but it wouldn't change everything because some things are only prone to change during specific stages, and some changes that happened naturally before are permanent.
If Uvall is the only One to apparently be intersex, with lack of more information and adding to what I speculated above, perhaps He/She is a rare case of wanting to do such things, as an experiment - or perhaps even as a God/Goddess like a patron of trans-persons, as a special case for trans-persons, similarly to how Hitler is our patron Saviour and Lady Lilith is a patron for Women's rights.

It's a little odd; in so many ways men and women are the same, and there is so much variation and so much overlap, and yet somehow they are still different, and I don't mean just their bodies. It's hard to pinpoint exactly. But I do think bisexuality may be more common than people think, and people just don't realise it because they haven't found themselves in a situation where they would have such feelings.
Apparently, gay Men's armpits smell differently than straight Men's armpits, and in a blind body odour test people are attracted to the smell of armpits who matched their own sexuality. Maybe there are study references, but it was supposed to have been an American study. Likewise, gay Men's penises are supposed to be a bit longer on average than straight Men's penises.
Regarding things that I do know, though - being intimate and cuddling with Males and Females is different, not only because of the different positions but they are simply not the same. I can remember that it has been said that most people are bisexual. That does make sense, with lots of different things which have been mentioned and which would require maybe 10 seconds' worth of thinking to recall.

Although it could also be entertaining and turn it into an insightful debate perhaps, so maybe how I deal with the situation just depends on my mood.
I CBA at the moment, but maybe in the future I will antagonise you playfully. :p

Fortunately there is no medicine for autism, otherwise that piece of shit excuse of a therapist might've tried to force me to take that as well.
I shared an article originally about the MMR vaccine being linked to autism. It might have been on the other forum. This is also to extend what I said above about autism from previous lives as possible reasons. Medicines, poisons, things which are ingested or injected can and obviously do have effects upon us - coronavirus vaccines have been causing various problems, I think including...was is psychological or neurological problems. At least now you can use Magick to heal yourself and improve yourself.

Regarding haters: I've noticed a bit of a trend of masculine-looking non-heterosexual men making fun of less masculine non-heterosexual men. I've been wondering, is that specifically directed towards those who stand out too much, like those who wear rather unsightly clothes with bright neon colours, or also men who enjoy dressing femininely or braiding their hair or wearing some light makeup or whatever? I'm not accusing you of making fun of such people, but I've seen another user who identifies as homosexual do it, calling them something along the lines of a disgrace, and I've also seen another user who mentioned being comfortable with his sex but enjoying such things. Unless it's only directed towards those who make fools out of themselves at parades, I wonder where the animosity comes from.
I am not that, like I said, but if others are feminine or masculine homosexuals, then that's up to them. I just meant I don't do a thing; it doesn't bother me if others do do that thing. I think it might be too many steroids, by the sounds of it. Maybe that's a stereotype, but I think it is real.

The example I was thinking of was when some guy tried to make a thread recommending to others the horrendous idea he had of imbuing his sex doll with a "soul", then asked HPHC why his post about sex dolls was disapproved, and HPHC explained the reason. I suppose some delusions are so vile that it's better if people aren't exposed to them.

Although the intention may not have been to gaslight if the person was genuinely that confused, the effect would still be the same
Aww, I didn't see that. I want to see it! Lol. As for giving a sex doll a... erm... soul... that would... not quite work for reasons that the doll not haz brayn, for one thing.

I'll go looking sometime to satisfy your whim of making me go on a goose hunt. "I've just been a bit busy lately", I say as I write the longest post so far on these forums. I took breaks, I promise. I just thought the topic was rather interesting and wanted to reply in full.
Lol. Yeah, maybe we can see, reach, and breach the maximum post-size-limity thing on here! :p Can you imagine doing this on, e.g. 140 character-limit twitter?!

That's an interesting analogy. No, I'm not done thinking about it yet. In a way, it reminds me a bit of how sometimes cleansing one's aura and Soul can result in more dirt surfacing from deeper within. I've experienced that before personally, and I heard HPS Maxine mentioned it as well. Is that related? I think in a sense it is, except it's happening on a larger scale in society now.
One thing that I considered, which I think I mentioned before in a post, was regarding when I was a christian. I would quote it here but this is long enough as it is, and that quote is not short either, so instead - https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=157736#p157736.
 
Meteor said:

FancyMancy said:

Let me be perfectly clear about my beliefs for anyone who is reading, which I have chosen to believe after having multiple opposing considerations. Its something I have come to a conclusion to after exhausting all other considerations.

I am not bashing the efforts of the Transgenders that are with us. If someone is doing the RTR and is providing support in some way,then that is very good and Laudable. Academic Scholar who believes that she is a transgender, conpiles workings from different threads ,which is a very good service. She also recently provided a book about fitness for women which I plan to give to my girlfriend.

But that does not mean that I accept people who identity as transgenders as fully functioning Human Beings. I group them along with other severe mental disorders like Schizophrenia or Dementia. We don't know if there is a biological component to it because the doctors are know to simply lie and not conduct extensive studies, and lie with various methods. They have lied extensively to the detrimental of millions of people's lives in Cancer, Diabetes, heart problems (not encouraging governments to ban trans fats and processed foods and artificial sugars.)

As far as we know the scientists and researchers who are forwarding the possibility of this condition are working in tandem with the same scientific community that is trying to make everyone sick and dead with the vaccine. The brain scans and other studies cannot be trusted. Not that anything these scientists say can be trusted.

The Psychological component of believing you are of a different Gender than your biological sex is almost certainly a mental illness and that can't be even debated. In a sane society that prized natural rationalism over corruption, would be totally against all of this.

Little kids are being taught in school and asked if they feel like a boy or a girl. I know this because my niece studies in primary school in UK and is the class monitor. These questions are framed in such a way that its purposefully manipulating their thoughts and emotions.

This is a Jewish agenda to exterminate biological gender. It is the most depraved form of inversion of nature that is second only to extremely severe mental illnesses that are malignant in nature. This is clearly outlined in Aldus Huxleys Brave New World.

And even if there was a Biological element to this disease, it would still be a disease. A Schizophrenic who is able to function in Society is Still a Schizophrenic, and not a normal human who has his mind, body and soul aligned. There is no such thing as Twin Soul ,which was a massive Hoax being perpetrated by Mageson who was hard shilling this Tranny agenda making it look like they are normal people ,because he was trying to purposefully confuse people using sleight of hand and misrepresenting Vedic words and what they meant.

In my view ,a Transgender who is capable of normally function in society must be viewed in society like we view an alcoholic. He has an issue which needs to be fixed and we need to fund research on how to fix these people.

A transgender who is on the edge and is displaying erratic behavior, possibly suicidal ,malignant or Deranged must be viewed as a Threat to society and must be interned in a mental hospital until he fully recovers.

This is my personal opinion on this subject. I don't want to force anyone to believe what I have chosen to believe. And I don't expect everyone to be convinced of my way of thinking. But I do believe that if what I'm saying makes sense to you ,and you see the history behind this and my explanation then you should also choose to believe what I believe.

I will never accept transgenders and transgenderism in any way shape or form and that is what I've chosen to believe in. It might sound extreme, but it's something that I've come to accept. You can accept it or agree to disagree, but I will hold fast to my belief. You can take what you want from it it's your decision.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

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