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I wanted to add this book in-case anyone wants to try the method in it. There's some mention of the bible in it but does not affect his presentation. From what I've read the author wrote it from his own experience and that from training others. He refers to astral projection, out of body experience, and lucid dreaming all as "The Phase".

I had luck with his method when nothing else really worked and this one was surprisingly easy. In short, you wake up early and go back to bed with the intention of waking up multiple times to attempt to leave the body. When you wake up you're in a state where it's easier to project with separation methods. It's pretty practical

Step 1
On a night before a free day when you won't have to wake up early, go to bed at your usual time and set your alarm so that you'll only sleep for about 6 hours.

Step 2
After 3 to 50 minutes of being awake, go back to bed and concentrate your attention on how you will perform cycles of indirect techniques upon each subsequent awakening in order to leave your body and implement your prepared plan of action. No need to set the alarm clock this time. Each subsequent awakening should occur naturally. Meanwhile, focus your attention on how you're going to try to wake up without moving your physical body. This isn't mandatory, but it will substantially increase the effectiveness of the indirect techniques.Now, sleep for 2 to 4 hours, but take advantage of natural awakenings that occur during this period of time. They will happen much more often than usual. After each attempt -whether successful or not -you must fall back asleep with that very same intention of waking up and trying again. In this way, you can make many attempts over the course of a single morning. Up to a quarter of those attempts will be successful, even for novices (70 to 95% of them will be successful for experienced practitioners).

Step 3
Each time you wake up again, try not to move or open your eyes. Instead, immediately try to separate from your body.

Step 4
If immediate separation doesn't work out - which would become apparent after 3-5 seconds - start right then and there to alternate between 2 to 3 of the techniques that are most straightforward to you, until one of them works. When this happens, you can try to separate again. Choose 2 to 3 of the following five techniques so that you can alternate through them during awakenings

Step 5
Fall back asleep if you can after each attempt (whether successful or not) in order to make another attempt to leave your body upon your next awakening.

I tried this for three consecutive days and had success with it in the last two. The first time lasted about 10 seconds and the second time lasted much shorter but I was nonetheless out of body. In each it was extremely vivid - I could feel the sun on my skin, the wind fluttering my shirt, the sounds all around me, and realistic taste

If anyone tries it, I'd like to know how it went for them

https://obe4u.com/files/the_phase.pdf

VLTRA wrote:----

This is very similar to the Wake Back to Bed technique. There's a variety of different methods people can use in order to lucid dream, but personally for me the habit of reality checks has worked the most. I would preform one in a dream and then become conscious inside of the dream. Another thing that helps me lucid dream is simply meditating on my astral senses and related chakras.

Meditating for lengthy amounts of time on my 6th chakra just before bed makes me have very vivid dreams, so vivid that I actually recognize I am dreaming seemingly automatically even when nothing bizarre or unrealistic occurred to give it away.

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Edelwise wrote:...

Not related but your avatar is soo awesome!

Aww, Thank you!

Edelwise wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

Edelwise wrote:...

Not related but your avatar is soo awesome!

Aww, Thank you!

You’re welcome;)

I suppose I could tell you that eventually you won't need the dream journal. To lucid dream but then again I've been lucid dreaming for the last 10 or so years. Its truly a beautiful thing.

Hail Satan.

I've delved into lucid dreaming and Astral Projecting since getting the internet in 1999. But never been truly successful as a onerionaut(master lucid dreamer). AP well that is very tough with the inability to trance myself it's almost only accidental as what occurred to me in a few occasions accidental projection or dreams which I AP inside of them.

But I do have a few questions for you people whom have a habitual LD/AP capacity.

Do dreams and astral projection become so real it's an extension of your day? In other words how conscious are you is it like literal waking life?

I ask because yes I become lucid in my dreams but it's all distorted for example. I have a lot of AP dreams whereby I wake up in bed(no not AP as in the body is in the bed but rather I literally wake up inside the dream) and walk out of my house or go through objects as in a few dreams I've had. I notice I distort almost like blacking out to the next room. I open the door and it feels all fake and odd.

I also notice that upon waking lucid dreams last seconds to a few minutes less than 3-5 minutes at most due to the consciousness taking over and waking me up. Funny enough waking up I forget the dream. It's almost like my mind works like RAM, it loses electrical support and deletes the dream from my mind. And it's happened quite a lot whereby I go throughout my day and information pops in describing the dream and I write it down.

My best representation of dreaming is I'm just a flying camera and just an observer. I notice I rarely interact only in some dreams do I even communicate with random dream character.

Also is AP like lucid dreaming in that your not fully conscious and distort or is AP as lucid as waking life?

My main ideas with LD and AP is that it allows me to live my life longer and do things while waiting to wake up. I'm aware this is probably an intense advanced spiritualist level of development. But if anyone can AP or LD without advancing in meditation. Although even the act of trying LD like dream entering or methods as well as AP practice it's all just annoying. My entire day falls unto me and I just want to go to sleep.

I'd personally like to AP and have been desiring for many years but it's quite daunting the skillset required to simply even just put yourself in preparation for the act of AP. What can I say over two decades and still sleep normally, just normal forgotten, semi-remembered dreams. Never AP'd nor LD'd to the point I can prove what others state like dream manipulation or visiting astral temple or simply just doing it for the experience.

Before I came to Satan I was a lucid dreamer. Had been doing it every night for years. I would say gaming helps. So say you play a game for 2-4 hours a night. You'll probably find it easier to wake up. Also just thinking about doing it while going about your day.

There are stages to lucid dreams. Make sure to try out your senses. Do relatity checks. At some point i noticed the best way to stay in a dream was through meditation and remaining calm. So i would sit down wherever i was and meditate for a few minutes.

Lucid dreaming you feel a lot less pain than usual. Lucid dreaming the world is fully lucid and what you can do often depends on what you believe you can do. You believe you can fly you will. You believe you have superspeed you will.

I'm unsure about astral traveling. At this point I probably wouldn't notice a difference in whats the astral world to whats lucid dream world. Unless I see my body in my bed as i leave. About the only thing I had problems with was sex in a lucid dreaming. The physical act itself as the pleasure can rapidly exite you and wake you up. Apart from that my lucid dreams were pretty long and can be used for mental training.