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Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby 666Taurus666 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:34 pm

What's the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection?
Well, I know that during an astral projection you are in the astral, but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Shining Sloth 666 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:48 am

I'm pretty sure you're definition of astral projection is kinda accurate.
A lucid dream though is not the same at all.
It's when you're dreaming and realize it in the dream.
Then depending on how lucid you become you can throw fireballs, bend streets, have sex 8-)

Frequently I soon wake up when it happens but when I don't... ;)
I recall someone telling me that if you start spinning on yourself when you feel about to wake
it helps to keep dreaming. So far I tried once & it worked! :)

I've done a couple of lucid dreams since I kinda practiced a bit and the most amazing stuff I have done is achieve a total deep trance state (Theta brainwaves I think).

I remembered that you're brain instantly start producing Theta brainwaves(4-8 hz)
when you feel like your body is falling.
Even the focus of the deep trance meditation on JOS is to achieve this feeling.

So in the dream, after I managed to bend the streets like in the movie Inception :lol:
I recalled about this; closed my eyes and willed there was nothing around me no more.
I was then in total darkness and felt like falling.
Instantly an insane rush of energy spawned into my whole being.
It felt really good almost overwhelming but it wasn't. It felt truly amazing! :D
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Zygisrko » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:32 pm

When your in a dream, your soul actually gets risen from your body partially inducing a semi-astral plane between the physical and astral itself.
Lucid dreams is simply being aware of that state.

Astral Projection, is when your soul lifts up entirely out of your own body and your able to travel on the astral plane.


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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby AncientShadow666 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:15 pm

Shining Sloth 666 wrote:I'm pretty sure you're definition of astral projection is kinda accurate.
A lucid dream though is not the same at all.
It's when you're dreaming and realize it in the dream.
Then depending on how lucid you become you can throw fireballs, bend streets, have sex 8-)

Frequently I soon wake up when it happens but when I don't... ;)
I recall someone telling me that if you start spinning on yourself when you feel about to wake
it helps to keep dreaming. So far I tried once & it worked! :)

I've done a couple of lucid dreams since I kinda practiced a bit and the most amazing stuff I have done is achieve a total deep trance state (Theta brainwaves I think).

I remembered that you're brain instantly start producing Theta brainwaves(4-8 hz)
when you feel like your body is falling.
Even the focus of the deep trance meditation on JOS is to achieve this feeling.

So in the dream, after I managed to bend the streets like in the movie Inception :lol:
I recalled about this; closed my eyes and willed there was nothing around me no more.
I was then in total darkness and felt like falling.
Instantly an insane rush of energy spawned into my whole being.
It felt really good almost overwhelming but it wasn't. It felt truly amazing! :D


are you kidding me???? :shock: :shock: :shock: i had the same experience few weeks back and i thought to myself: aaahhh... its nothing soooo special.... i guess im not the only one :shock: :shock: this makes me actually really happy 8-)
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releasing their victory sound
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can't you see their smile?
dancing little daemons all around
their rythm is shaking the ground
lalala sieg heil, sieg heil
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Shining Sloth 666 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:34 pm

AncientShadow666 wrote:are you kidding me???? :shock: :shock: :shock: i had the same experience few weeks back and i thought to myself: aaahhh... its nothing soooo special.... i guess im not the only one :shock: :shock: this makes me actually really happy 8-)


Glad to hear that! :D IMO lucid dreaming is fantastic^^
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby 666Taurus666 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:57 pm

I appreciated your answers so much!
Anyway, the part of my question I wanted to focus most on it was the last one,
666Taurus666 wrote: but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?

Can one who is in an astral projection affect the physical world or/and see what is actually happening in the physical word?
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby 666Taurus666 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:58 pm

I appreciated your answers so much!
Anyway, the part of my question I wanted to focus most on it was the last one,
666Taurus666 wrote: but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?

Can one who is in an astral projection affect the physical world or/and see what is actually happening in the physical word?
AUM...

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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Bigot Boy » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:43 am

666Taurus666 wrote:I appreciated your answers so much!
Anyway, the part of my question I wanted to focus most on it was the last one,
666Taurus666 wrote: but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?

Can one who is in an astral projection affect the physical world or/and see what is actually happening in the physical word?

When astral traveling one can most definitely see what is happening in the physical world. How much they can affect the physical world whilst astral traveling depends on one's energy level. Also do remember, if you're simply dreaming about being in a location, you may not actually be astral traveling there, but simply in a dreamscape generated by your subconscious, and things may appear wacky compared to reality.

Also Astral Temples are created on the astral level (as the name implies...) and one can perform rituals here, or anywhere else in the astral really.

"Making regular use of an astral temple can increase the effectiveness of your magick and has many other uses. Astral projection is ideal, but not necessary."
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HP Mageson has said before that machines have been created that can possibly detect when someone's astral body is nearby, due to an increase of energy in the area.

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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Europe Gladio » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:29 pm

I have a few questions to ask. 1. Does anyone believe in "spirit animals"? Ex. I had a dream where I was floating in the water in a coastal cave when a crocodile bit my trunks but just was just swaying back and forth and not doing a death roll like it was trying to rip my trunks off. 2. Does anyone think that the statues and monuments with greek feet and noses, ear shapes, forehead, ect have any occult meaning to them or is it nothing more than just an artsy style.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby zolaluckystar » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:17 am

666Taurus666 wrote:
but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?
Can one who is in an astral projection affect the physical world or/and see what is actually happening in the physical word?

I can only answer based on my own observations from first hand experience. I spent the 90's working really REALLY hard on dreaming, lucid dreaming. Getting good at that led to astral projection or out of body projection. I found the astral world/worlds to be vast and many layered. When your physical body rests and recharges your soul/astral self who has no need for sleep, it goes off into the astral realms and does whatever it does, then returns in the morning. I gathered this because at one point in my development I was able many times to maintain awareness while going out for the night till I 'returned'. Things are just as 'real' in the Astral as they are here. Its fluid yes but there are places within it that appear to have their own external reality independent from your will. I have a few locations like this that I found myself returning to again and again. I'd get there and recognize buildings, places, etc. Maybe because enough people go there they have kind of 'fixed' it on the astral.

I found I could tell the difference between the dream stuff I could manipulate with my desire/intention and independent beings/locations because they don't transform on command. Some of these Beings are not human and 'live' there, others are people like myself, alive (as in possessing a current physical body) and travelling, and others who are deceased humans. Though they don't like to be called 'dead'. They aren't. These three catagory of beings/people do NOT 'transform' on command.

Lucid dreaming generally is when you 'wake up' while off somewhere in the astral in a 'dream'. Projection is projecting in the layers closest to the waking material world so everything appears as it is in waking life. Its accurate that way. Whereas in a dream, things will be 'off'. But this is all taking place in the astral, just in different layers.

I had a friend down in the States. He was also pretty developed in some areas. With His permission, I agreed to try to project down to his home one night and say hello. I found myself outside a house looking into a window to the kitchen when two dogs leapt at the window and began barking furiously at me. it startled me and I snapped back. I wrote a detailed description of what I saw and the dogs (what I saw of them anyways). He said I described his kitchen, the outside of the house looking in and the dogs. He also said they woke him up that night barking like mad at the kitchen window. I suppose in that sense I affected the physical world.

I never really thought to try that though. Affecting the physical world I mean.

A few times I tried to investigate a DUMBS (deep underground military base). And I do believe they have some kind of technology not only to detect this kind of intrusion but to generate a field that can 'hold' you. Because I encountered this on my last two forays to one of these places. I would go in, snoop around for a little till someone noticed me and then take off again. In and out, fast. But the last two times were different. Scared the hell out of me. Normally I can just phase through a wall and leave. This time I encountered an invisible barrier I couldn't pass at first. It took every ounce of focussed will to pass that barrier the first time. it felt like trying to swim through molasses. By then I had I think around 9 years of experience in the astral. The second time I couldn't get through at all. Like they strengthened it. But they forgot, apparently, to shield the ceiling. I stayed away from those places after that.

I think the astral/non physical realms are very familiar to the enemy and they can navigate there with ease and the stronger you are there the more attention you draw. I know this happened to me. I was attacked and chased a lot till one day two reptilians came after me and tried to sever my lifeline cord. This scared me so bad I then spent many years trying to turn my ability off. Then I find Satan and now I'm trying to remove the blocks I put there myself like a dumbass.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Shining Sloth 666 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:42 am

zolaluckystar wrote:666Taurus666 wrote:
but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?
Can one who is in an astral projection affect the physical world or/and see what is actually happening in the physical word?

I can only answer based on my own observations from first hand experience. I spent the 90's working really REALLY hard on dreaming, lucid dreaming. Getting good at that led to astral projection or out of body projection. I found the astral world/worlds to be vast and many layered. When your physical body rests and recharges your soul/astral self who has no need for sleep, it goes off into the astral realms and does whatever it does, then returns in the morning. I gathered this because at one point in my development I was able many times to maintain awareness while going out for the night till I 'returned'. Things are just as 'real' in the Astral as they are here. Its fluid yes but there are places within it that appear to have their own external reality independent from your will. I have a few locations like this that I found myself returning to again and again. I'd get there and recognize buildings, places, etc. Maybe because enough people go there they have kind of 'fixed' it on the astral.

I found I could tell the difference between the dream stuff I could manipulate with my desire/intention and independent beings/locations because they don't transform on command. Some of these Beings are not human and 'live' there, others are people like myself, alive (as in possessing a current physical body) and travelling, and others who are deceased humans. Though they don't like to be called 'dead'. They aren't. These three catagory of beings/people do NOT 'transform' on command.

Lucid dreaming generally is when you 'wake up' while off somewhere in the astral in a 'dream'. Projection is projecting in the layers closest to the waking material world so everything appears as it is in waking life. Its accurate that way. Whereas in a dream, things will be 'off'. But this is all taking place in the astral, just in different layers.

I had a friend down in the States. He was also pretty developed in some areas. With His permission, I agreed to try to project down to his home one night and say hello. I found myself outside a house looking into a window to the kitchen when two dogs leapt at the window and began barking furiously at me. it startled me and I snapped back. I wrote a detailed description of what I saw and the dogs (what I saw of them anyways). He said I described his kitchen, the outside of the house looking in and the dogs. He also said they woke him up that night barking like mad at the kitchen window. I suppose in that sense I affected the physical world.

I never really thought to try that though. Affecting the physical world I mean.

A few times I tried to investigate a DUMBS (deep underground military base). And I do believe they have some kind of technology not only to detect this kind of intrusion but to generate a field that can 'hold' you. Because I encountered this on my last two forays to one of these places. I would go in, snoop around for a little till someone noticed me and then take off again. In and out, fast. But the last two times were different. Scared the hell out of me. Normally I can just phase through a wall and leave. This time I encountered an invisible barrier I couldn't pass at first. It took every ounce of focussed will to pass that barrier the first time. it felt like trying to swim through molasses. By then I had I think around 9 years of experience in the astral. The second time I couldn't get through at all. Like they strengthened it. But they forgot, apparently, to shield the ceiling. I stayed away from those places after that.

I think the astral/non physical realms are very familiar to the enemy and they can navigate there with ease and the stronger you are there the more attention you draw. I know this happened to me. I was attacked and chased a lot till one day two reptilians came after me and tried to sever my lifeline cord. This scared me so bad I then spent many years trying to turn my ability off. Then I find Satan and now I'm trying to remove the blocks I put there myself like a dumbass.


Wow thanks a lot for sharing all this!!!! I am so amazed!! :o
I'm sure those blocks you put on yourself might have been very useful back then.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby AncientShadow666 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:51 am

zolaluckystar wrote:666Taurus666 wrote:
but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body and you are like a soul in the phisical world that can move trough it as it wants? Kind of being able to "go" somewhere and see what is actually happening there?
Can one who is in an astral projection affect the physical world or/and see what is actually happening in the physical word?

I can only answer based on my own observations from first hand experience. I spent the 90's working really REALLY hard on dreaming, lucid dreaming. Getting good at that led to astral projection or out of body projection. I found the astral world/worlds to be vast and many layered. When your physical body rests and recharges your soul/astral self who has no need for sleep, it goes off into the astral realms and does whatever it does, then returns in the morning. I gathered this because at one point in my development I was able many times to maintain awareness while going out for the night till I 'returned'. Things are just as 'real' in the Astral as they are here. Its fluid yes but there are places within it that appear to have their own external reality independent from your will. I have a few locations like this that I found myself returning to again and again. I'd get there and recognize buildings, places, etc. Maybe because enough people go there they have kind of 'fixed' it on the astral.

I found I could tell the difference between the dream stuff I could manipulate with my desire/intention and independent beings/locations because they don't transform on command. Some of these Beings are not human and 'live' there, others are people like myself, alive (as in possessing a current physical body) and travelling, and others who are deceased humans. Though they don't like to be called 'dead'. They aren't. These three catagory of beings/people do NOT 'transform' on command.

Lucid dreaming generally is when you 'wake up' while off somewhere in the astral in a 'dream'. Projection is projecting in the layers closest to the waking material world so everything appears as it is in waking life. Its accurate that way. Whereas in a dream, things will be 'off'. But this is all taking place in the astral, just in different layers.

I had a friend down in the States. He was also pretty developed in some areas. With His permission, I agreed to try to project down to his home one night and say hello. I found myself outside a house looking into a window to the kitchen when two dogs leapt at the window and began barking furiously at me. it startled me and I snapped back. I wrote a detailed description of what I saw and the dogs (what I saw of them anyways). He said I described his kitchen, the outside of the house looking in and the dogs. He also said they woke him up that night barking like mad at the kitchen window. I suppose in that sense I affected the physical world.

I never really thought to try that though. Affecting the physical world I mean.

A few times I tried to investigate a DUMBS (deep underground military base). And I do believe they have some kind of technology not only to detect this kind of intrusion but to generate a field that can 'hold' you. Because I encountered this on my last two forays to one of these places. I would go in, snoop around for a little till someone noticed me and then take off again. In and out, fast. But the last two times were different. Scared the hell out of me. Normally I can just phase through a wall and leave. This time I encountered an invisible barrier I couldn't pass at first. It took every ounce of focussed will to pass that barrier the first time. it felt like trying to swim through molasses. By then I had I think around 9 years of experience in the astral. The second time I couldn't get through at all. Like they strengthened it. But they forgot, apparently, to shield the ceiling. I stayed away from those places after that.

I think the astral/non physical realms are very familiar to the enemy and they can navigate there with ease and the stronger you are there the more attention you draw. I know this happened to me. I was attacked and chased a lot till one day two reptilians came after me and tried to sever my lifeline cord. This scared me so bad I then spent many years trying to turn my ability off. Then I find Satan and now I'm trying to remove the blocks I put there myself like a dumbass.


daaamnnn :lol: this is some hardcore stuff :lol: i love it! i mean it is not that often that you can actually here someone sharing this kind of experience and i thank you for doing it :D
dancing little daemons all around
releasing their victory sound
lalala sieg heil, sieg heil
can't you see their smile?
dancing little daemons all around
their rythm is shaking the ground
lalala sieg heil, sieg heil
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby zolaluckystar » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:10 am

Hey Shining Sloth, Ancient Shadow, I'm glad you enjoyed to hear what I had to say. I've felt hesitant to say much on the forums about whatever experience/knowledge or any ability I might have. I think this is a holdover from living around mundanes who always mocked me if I tried to talk about anything they considered 'out there' and 'weird'. I know you all aren't mundanes or the average crowd but still.

I used to feel such frustration. I was always fascinated by the occult and what lies behind the mundane surface as the world isn't what we are taught it is. I knew this from a young age. But it wasn't anything one could ever talk about – who could you tell? Nobody. Most people dismissed me with “Wow, you must have been on good drugs” or “My, you certainly have an imagination” or: “Are you sure you weren't sleeping and dreaming all that?”

There was something I learned from all those years of dream/astral work, something that I think is simple, but profound. I want to share it here with you all. Probably a lot of you already know this. But I'll say it anyways, if thats ok.

The immutable rules as I came to understand them that govern in the astral realms (I thought of them like gravity and magnetism) are:

Desire/Expectation coupled with Knowingness that it (that environment) conforms to your Will makes everything possible and is what enables you to fly, cast lightning, fire, teleport, phase through things, etc. It happens instantaneously there as those worlds/dimensions are non physical and as thus react to thought, and thought is instantaneous.

It took me a long time (over a decade) to finally recognize that these truths also hold sway here in the physical. It's just that you're dealing with physical matter so it takes longer to manifest. As above so below. The outcome is just as assured, so long as you apply these three things: Desire/Expectation/Knowingness that it IS so. And therefore, it IS.

I've come to realize as a Satanist that this is how all Magic is done as well. Desire/Intention powered by Knowingness that it shall be as you WILL it to be, makes it happen.

I'll give you an example. I really desired a particular white winter coat. I visualized it, the style of it, that it will be new. Not some ugly old worn out thing but NEW. Willed it to me (desire), Expected it to appear, knew it would come to me. A few months in on doing this, I'm helping sort clothing donations. I'd just finished describing this coat to my friend as we're opening and sorting garbage bags of clothing donations. I open a bag and pull out....my coat. Exactly as I had just envisioned/described it to her and brand new. The woman freaked right out. She said that's obviously for you, take it!

Now I know some people would say ok well then, how about winning the lottery? Well, I tried. I visualized that one for years. I would buy the tickets, picking the numbers myself. I'd shut my eyes and 'feel' for where the pen wanted to go. I'd toss them in a drawer and forget about them. One night I was totally broke so I got the luck magazine and sat down to check them all. It's called 6/49. You pick 6 out of 49 possible numbers. I got 5 out of 6 on one of them. I assumed it was worthless because I was one number off so, in a fit of rage I tore the thing to shreds. Only to find out 6 months down the road it was worth a LOT. Somewhere around 300 - 450 thousand dollars. And I tore it up :(

SIGH.

But thats ok.

Because theres one more that's by FAR the most meaningful:

I desired to know my Father God. I knew I had one. I expected someday I would learn what His name is as I always wanted to know. And one day, I found Him here. My odds of winning the 649 were better than finding my way here out of a population of 7.6 billion. And finding my way back to Satan is worth FAR more to me than any monetary amount I might have had.

It's priceless and I'm eternally grateful. :)

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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Shining Sloth 666 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:57 pm

zolalucky[quote="zolaluckystar wrote:Hey Shining Sloth, Ancient Shadow, I'm glad you enjoyed to hear what I had to say. I've felt hesitant to say much on the forums about whatever experience/knowledge or any ability I might have. I think this is a holdover from living around mundanes who always mocked me if I tried to talk about anything they considered 'out there' and 'weird'. I know you all aren't mundanes or the average crowd but still.

I used to feel such frustration. I was always fascinated by the occult and what lies behind the mundane surface as the world isn't what we are taught it is. I knew this from a young age. But it wasn't anything one could ever talk about – who could you tell? Nobody. Most people dismissed me with “Wow, you must have been on good drugs” or “My, you certainly have an imagination” or: “Are you sure you weren't sleeping and dreaming all that?”

There was something I learned from all those years of dream/astral work, something that I think is simple, but profound. I want to share it here with you all. Probably a lot of you already know this. But I'll say it anyways, if thats ok.

The immutable rules as I came to understand them that govern in the astral realms (I thought of them like gravity and magnetism) are:

Desire/Expectation coupled with Knowingness that it (that environment) conforms to your Will makes everything possible and is what enables you to fly, cast lightning, fire, teleport, phase through things, etc. It happens instantaneously there as those worlds/dimensions are non physical and as thus react to thought, and thought is instantaneous.

It took me a long time (over a decade) to finally recognize that these truths also hold sway here in the physical. It's just that you're dealing with physical matter so it takes longer to manifest. As above so below. The outcome is just as assured, so long as you apply these three things: Desire/Expectation/Knowingness that it IS so. And therefore, it IS.

I've come to realize as a Satanist that this is how all Magic is done as well. Desire/Intention powered by Knowingness that it shall be as you WILL it to be, makes it happen.

I'll give you an example. I really desired a particular white winter coat. I visualized it, the style of it, that it will be new. Not some ugly old worn out thing but NEW. Willed it to me (desire), Expected it to appear, knew it would come to me. A few months in on doing this, I'm helping sort clothing donations. I'd just finished describing this coat to my friend as we're opening and sorting garbage bags of clothing donations. I open a bag and pull out....my coat. Exactly as I had just envisioned/described it to her and brand new. The woman freaked right out. She said that's obviously for you, take it!

Now I know some people would say ok well then, how about winning the lottery? Well, I tried. I visualized that one for years. I would buy the tickets, picking the numbers myself. I'd shut my eyes and 'feel' for where the pen wanted to go. I'd toss them in a drawer and forget about them. One night I was totally broke so I got the luck magazine and sat down to check them all. It's called 6/49. You pick 6 out of 49 possible numbers. I got 5 out of 6 on one of them. I assumed it was worthless because I was one number off so, in a fit of rage I tore the thing to shreds. Only to find out 6 months down the road it was worth a LOT. Somewhere around 300 - 450 thousand dollars. And I tore it up :(

SIGH.

But thats ok.

Because theres one more that's by FAR the most meaningful:

I desired to know my Father God. I knew I had one. I expected someday I would learn what His name is as I always wanted to know. And one day, I found Him here. My odds of winning the 649 were better than finding my way here out of a population of 7.6 billion. And finding my way back to Satan is worth FAR more to me than any monetary amount I might have had.

It's priceless and I'm eternally grateful. :)

Hail Father Satan!
In Glory and Power Exalted!


Wow everything you share is so fascinating!! :)
Thank you so much for sharing this!!!!
It's always such a wonderful pleasure having the chance to hear another one of your beautiful stories!

I really like how you explained those rules.
They're all things I kinda knew but the way you put them together really put all the pieces of the puzzle in place in my mind.
Also the ''as above so below'' and the fact I read countless times that the physical is very slow .
Now I really ''got it''. I can assure you with this help you've just provided my magic will now surely greatly improve!!^-^☼
You've just shun a big bright light in a foggy area I had about applying my will.

I can't even fathom all the sheer knowledge you acquired from these experiences you fulfilled
will being without. Like wow! Even then you knew how to effectively use the power of Magick! :o
And the fact you intuitively knew somehow about having a Father God and here you are :D
I'm guessing it's almost sure you have been a dedicated SS with Father Satan more than once! 8-)

Despite all I said above you leave me once again speechless!..
I can only think the words: ''Wow thank you I am forever grateful !!!!'' somewhat express how I feel about all this :D
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Postby AncientShadow666 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:43 pm

you...you could have 300-450 thousand dollars and.... youuu TORE it appart??!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: damn i dont know if i should laugh or cry :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: daaamn that is some nasty stuff :lol:

it is always good to share the experience :D well i dont know much about astral yet, i only had 1 or maybe even 2 unconciouss astral projections but i dont wanna explain that now it would take a while :lol: but yeah you understood it right when it comes to magick and how it works, that it firstly goes to astral and later manifests itself on the material world
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Postby Malpirgi Zodinu » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:29 pm

Very inspiring tales of the occult, Zolaluckystar!
Thank you for sharing, truly.
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Postby Blue666Light » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:02 am

zolaluckystar wrote:666Taurus666 wrote:
but what is there in the astral? I mean, is it an astral projection just like if you went out the body.

I think the astral/non physical realms are very familiar to the enemy and they can navigate there with ease and the stronger you are there the more attention you draw. I know this happened to me. I was attacked and chased a lot till one day two reptilians came after me and tried to sever my lifeline cord. This scared me so bad I then spent many years trying to turn my ability off. Then I find Satan and now I'm trying to remove the blocks I put there myself like a dumbass.


Hi Zolaluckystar, That's a nice thing you shared to us! May I ask, what's the difference after you found Satan? Have you ever met Father Satan face to face? Do you have guardian Demons? Tell me more, I want to be closer to Father Satan.

thanks before...

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Postby zolaluckystar » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:02 am

Hi, you were asking me the difference between before and after I found Satan.

There was one night where it all seemed to come to a head. I'm laying in bed, blink and I'm in the astral. Its still my bedroom and yet not. Things have changed. The rooms bigger, its not the same. And that whole night I spent flipping back and forth between the two. There was no break in awareness, just, blink, and you are somewhere else that feels and seems the same as waking reality except its changed. This went on for a long time. And I told myself: you are dreaming, wake up. But I couldn't I was trapped in this loop. To the point I almost couldn't tell anymore what was 'real' as in physical reality and what was astral. I was afraid I was going mad. Till sometime around dawn. I'd flipped again into the astral and felt a presence. I looked up to the doorway to my room and saw a tall grey. When I saw it I was filled with anger and realized this creature was the one doing this. I launched myself out of my bed and body slammed it into the hallway. I felt its astonishment. I wasn't supposed to be able to see it. But doing that broke the spell or whatever it had done and I was finally able to wake up for real. Now keep in mind this happened to me before I found Satan. I found Him not long after that. And the difference was that I used to be fearful to sleep as I never knew what would come attack me in the astral. And once I found Satan and Dedicated to Him, these intrusions stopped.

I haven't seen Satan face to face yet though I've heard Him speak/communicate to me. His energy is unmistakable. it is the most beautiful soothing wonderful energy. When you feel it you just know it. There is no mistaking it.

I had spent 6 weeks on a Portrait of Satan and one night I was finished (I've written about this before so I won't go on). It was around three in the morning. I was sitting on the steps looking into the back space where His Portrait was sitting on an easel. And felt I wanted to get closer to Him. So I went and knelt before His portrait. And this energy suddenly filled the room and the dirty background changed and I was suddenly in a clean and beautiful room. Still kneeling before the Portrait but now it was hanging on the wall. And i understood in that moment He was showing me where He had the astral version of it hanging in His mansion. I heard Him say: Don't worry, just keep painting.

It was incredibly comforting.

Satan is a wonderful man/father. He is so kind. He was then and is now very kind to me, very loving.

So I guess the main difference between being psychic while Without and after being Dedicated is just the wonderful feeling of knowing you are now safe in His arms.

And yes, I have Guardian Demons. They are the best. I suppose I'm predijuced but the two I have I consider the best out of all of Satan's Demons, they are so wonderful, kind, funny and just....the most special Beings one could ever wish for to be your friends. I've been very fortunate to meet many of Satans Demons due to the work I'm doing for them and while they are all amazing people, I still favor my two GD's and I'm really happy they are with me, and wouldn't trade them for any other Demons for all the world.
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Postby TheFlea » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:17 am

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Your experiences are very neat, and I'm glad you found us (for a second time possibly) :)

I, like AncientShadow, have projected before, by complete accident. I have tried replicating the experience, but have not been as successful as I would like. Do you have any tips that would help others having problems in this area?

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Postby Ovof od ugegi nanaeel » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:57 am

Shining Sloth 666 wrote:I'm pretty sure you're definition of astral projection is kinda accurate.
A lucid dream though is not the same at all.
It's when you're dreaming and realize it in the dream.
Then depending on how lucid you become you can throw fireballs, bend streets, have sex 8-)

Frequently I soon wake up when it happens but when I don't... ;)
I recall someone telling me that if you start spinning on yourself when you feel about to wake
it helps to keep dreaming. So far I tried once & it worked! :)

I've done a couple of lucid dreams since I kinda practiced a bit and the most amazing stuff I have done is achieve a total deep trance state (Theta brainwaves I think).

I remembered that you're brain instantly start producing Theta brainwaves(4-8 hz)
when you feel like your body is falling.
Even the focus of the deep trance meditation on JOS is to achieve this feeling.

So in the dream, after I managed to bend the streets like in the movie Inception :lol:
I recalled about this; closed my eyes and willed there was nothing around me no more.
I was then in total darkness and felt like falling.
Instantly an insane rush of energy spawned into my whole being.
It felt really good almost overwhelming but it wasn't. It felt truly amazing! :D


I have been working on one specific thing nearly constantly for over a year now, and I find that often in my deepest dreams (Probably the Theta waves) the dreams are always about working this goal and speaking with our gods to ask for help. The effects are always very strongly increased in manifestation that I can see the days after the dream. I am happy to see that I am successful and my works are extremely near to being correctly manifested physically, probably will happen this week or next! :mrgreen:

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Postby Shining Sloth 666 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:23 pm

Ovof od ugegi nanaeel wrote:
I have been working on one specific thing nearly constantly for over a year now, and I find that often in my deepest dreams (Probably the Theta waves) the dreams are always about working this goal and speaking with our gods to ask for help. The effects are always very strongly increased in manifestation that I can see the days after the dream. I am happy to see that I am successful and my works are extremely near to being correctly manifested physically, probably will happen this week or next! :mrgreen:


Wow! very impressive!!! :D I'm glad to hear about such a thing!!!!
I remember starting to vibrate mantras once when I became lucid in my dream.
It's been awhile now but I still become lucid pretty often but most of the time I decide to wake up due to being in a nightmare x).
You've totally convinced me to use every opportunity of me becoming lucid from now on to focus on
Satan & the Gods.
Next time I become lucid I'll obliterate whatever the fuck is around me and create a peaceful environment to settle and empower hoping I won't wake too quickly
( Because I usually do when I become too much lucid too quickly :cry: )

Ovof od ugegi nanaeel wrote:(Probably the Theta waves)


I'm pretty sure. Also I think you can't stay conscious when being in Delta waves (0,5 - 4 hz)
unless you achieved such a state while being awake ^-^
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Postby zolaluckystar » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 am

Hi shining sloth, you said:

“Wow everything you share is so fascinating!!
Thank you so much for sharing this!!!!
It's always such a wonderful pleasure having the chance to hear another one of your beautiful stories!”

Thanks for the kind words. I just would like to share another story in honor of one of my Guardian Demons.

Last year I was going to fly to another country to meet up with a couple other SS to spend Yule with them. I don't fly very much and I find it a scary experience so I'd asked my GD's if one of them would be willing to fly with me, kind of hold my hand cause I'm scared to fly...

So I go to the airport and I'm trying to check in my bag and they want to charge me a fee I hadn't expected or foreseen. This was something new. Back in the day there wasn't any BS fee around checking your bag. That was covered in the ticket price. So I'm like: Ok: I have cash...no, we can't take cash. I have a debit card....no, we don't take debit. Only credit card. Well, I don't have any credit cards. So they tell me to go that way to this kiosk and buy a prepaid credit card. I go there, and the person there says, sorry, we're all sold out of them...directs me to the other side of this massive airport telling me to try there. Took thirty minutes to get there and again, they are sold out. The person tells me go down to the bottom of the airport to the 7-ll, you can buy one there. I go there, and I'm told that, even if I buy one now, it takes 24 hours to 'register'. So in other words, its useless. I'm like: OK then, what am I supposed to do? I'm going to miss my flight! And thats when a man in a suit steps up out of nowhere: Excuse me miss, I couldn't help overhearing you're having a problem here...he gets on his phone and then says you're getting on that flight! He walks me back across the airport to the check in, past the (now) massive lineup like I'm some VIP to the counter. He says to the flight person there: Get me the Manager, NOW. The manager comes over and he says: One of your people here must have a credit card and heres what you're going to do: This young lady is going to pay you cash and you will use that card to pay for her bag check. The Manager was like: thats irregular: we don't do that! This man in the suit tells him: You'll do it and do it now or you're fired. So they did it! I thanked this man and he merely said it was his pleasure and left. I got onto my plane. I mean, what were the freaking odds that the one man in the airport who had the pull to be able to help me get on that plane just 'happened' to be there?

So on the plane, the last people to board was a white aryan family. And they were baffled to see that they were all seated apart. They said but...we reserved seats together so we could all sit together as a family! Is there anyone here who is willing to swap seats with us so we can sit together? The people there in the back were very accommodating and swapped seats for this family. So that is solved and we take off. Now the Stew is coming around taking food orders from people and I'm suddenly starving hungry. I tried to order food (again, this was unexpected because back in the day, food was included in the price of the ticket) but again, they would only take credit card. So I'm thinking, I have to starve for the next 5 hours...when my Guardian Demon spoke up in my ear and told me: Ask Him! So I stood up, knelt on the seat and asked the father if I could give him money, if he would order food for me and put it on his card. He said sure, no problem! So that was awesome. And I feel sure if that was a Chinese family or any other racial family, they'd have said no. But fortunately, it was a family of my own race. So I got to eat.

I get to the next airport and get off, and there is nobody there, no signage telling us where to go to make our connection. So I chose a direction and start walking. And I hear my GD say: “Ask them”. Two baggage handlers who were hanging out chatting. So I approach them and ask and they tell me you are going the wrong way. Go back to gate (number) and take the shuttle bus there. I find this shuttle bus and it takes us across this mammoth airport to the next terminal. I got there just in time as the plane was boarding. I struck up a conversation with a woman in the lineup. On the plane I was chatting to the people behind me. They said they never were told about the shuttle bus, they had to leg it across the airport and almost missed the flight. So once again, thank you to my GD. So now I'm finally at my destination and its the middle of the night, and I see there are no pay phones, so I can't call my friend. When the woman I'd struck up a conversation with at the layover, she approaches me and asks how everything is going, I say I can't see any phones...she gives me her cell phone and insists I use it to call him. Which was also a life saver move. I mean, the amount of help I got from my GD was just amazing!

So it's New Years and my GD's both came in to wish us Happy New Year and the one travelling with me says to my SS friend: Ask her about the mixup on the plane and how she was able to order a meal...which was amazing as I hadn't told my SS friend about that. It was confirmation.

Then on the way home: I get to my layover and I have three hours to kill (or so I thought but I hadn't taken in the time change). I find a pub, have a meal and a couple of beers and end up in a conversation with a white man from Europe and he was saying how disgusting the situation is there, with these rapefugees and he can't understand why the Politicians there are allowing this flood to come in and I say how its all by design, they are trying to genocide white people. He says how refreshing and good it is to talk to me here about this as PC Canadians will just dismiss this...when my GD suddenly speaks up: Pay your bill and get to the departure gate! NOW! So I go and find out about the time change and that if the flight hadn't been delayed by an hour I'd have missed it. As it was, I got there just in time and we were boarding.

So this is my shout out to Sorath. You are so incredible! Thank you so much for your help all the way there and back!

As for projecting. Understand I did all that while Without. I didn't have the benefit of the power meditations. Maybe there is a better way encapsulated there. The method I used was to focus on dreaming and recall. To the point that I was in a dream and thought: you have to remember this! Which led to lucid dreaming and from there, Conscious astral projection. Maybe with the Power Meditations there is a better, faster way? I don't know.
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Postby Godmode » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:46 am

That's cool the dogs were going nuts around the time your astral body was there. I think we can make artificial doubles of our familiar surroundings and end up there in our dreams often instead of being in the populated version of those parts of the astral world. I'm not good enough to leave on command but I've been taken a couple places.

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Postby zolaluckystar » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:15 am

I forgot to add that when I got home to my airport it was the middle of the night and again, no phones, no way to even call a cab. I was stranded there. And I was wondering WTF am I supposed to do now? And again, my Guardian Demon told me: walk out these doors. So I do, and a cab pulls up!

I have to stress that this was the middle of the night and the airport was essentially shut down and no cabs should have been there...and yet, a cab showed up...

I mean, what the fuck? This is beyond mere coincidence. Sorath is the most amazing Demon. Its no wonder to me how He was able to pull off pulling our Adolf Hitler out of how many attempts on his life. He is unbelievably amazing at 'arranging' things. I think He should be acknowledged for that.

Sorath, you are freaking AMAZING.
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Postby Aquarius » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:25 pm

Fantastic story Zola! Sorath is really awesome!:)
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Postby Shining Sloth 666 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:27 pm

Wow Thank you so much Zola again for sharing all theses wonderful journeys!!! :D
That's such an adventure!! I can't believe the odds of all the happenings and how it all sorted out so perfectly :o
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Postby zolaluckystar » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:52 am

I have another story about Sorath I'd love to share because its funny.

After I'd Dedicated I painted a Portrait of the Demon I was most drawn to, who I hoped might be my GD. Same as any newbie, I'd gone looking through the lists of Demons and two of them really stuck out. So like I said, I did the first Demons Portrait. Then Satan came bulldozing in and told me to Paint Him next. I do, He shows me where He has it hanging (the astral version of it) in His Mansion.

The next Portrait I did, was of the other Demon I was most attracted to, Sorath. So I have Him sitting on an easel in the back studio and this crusty old bugger who has been painting for 20-30 years comes in and he says to me: Oh, Zola! I see you are here, as usual, working! He sees the Portrait and approaches it. So, Is this another one of your Gawds? I knew the way he drawled that he was kind of being mocking but chose not to take offence and just said: Yes it is. What of it? The guy might be old and crusty, but hes a consummate professional artist. I was interested to hear his critique. He circles the Portrait on the easel till hes back in front of it, examining the back as thoroughly as the front. He stops again in front of it, cocks his head at it and declares: Well, I can't see any flaw in your workmanship. Its flawless. Textbook. Well done. Though I can't say I understand your choice of subject...I say why? What about it? He goes Well, He doesn't look like a God to ME! I said oh? And why not? He says: Hes too handsome! He doesn't look like a Gawd, He looks like a ROCKSTAR! And I busted out laughing. In my head I said: You hear that, Sorath? You're a ROCK GOD!

I 'Heard' Him say: “I know :)

LOL

The joke for me is, I happen to know Sorath likes rock music. He has often communicated to me through rock songs that He'll make pop into my head and when I listen to the lyrics, it addresses what I was thinking/wondering about. So I found it hilarious, what this guy who is Without said. And then later on I discovered that these two Demons actually ARE my Guardian Demons. Which was a wonderful day. Both of them are just....amazing, wonderful and I feel I'm so lucky to have them.

Sorath has literally saved my life a few times (a whole other story), since I Dedicated. He is awesome. He has a real reputation of being so aloof and formidable (and He is) but to those who are dedicated and know Him, He is actually very kind, approachable and personable. Hes not cold or aloof, just very discerning. He doesn't like everybody.
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Postby Poweredbythesun » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:37 am

I know this is an old topic, but if I may ask; How does one train to lucid dream?
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Postby Ghost in the Machine » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 am

Poweredbythesun wrote:I know this is an old topic, but if I may ask; How does one train to lucid dream?

If you were asking me you'd be talking to the right person. Lucid dreams have so fascinated me and I've studied and done them multiple times since I was a kid. Sometimes just researching lucid dreaming can trigger one that night. The point is to wake yourself up while remaining inside of a dream and there are quite a lot of methods to do this.

My suggestion for starting off is to keep a dream journal. This is where you write down your dreams as soon as you wake up as soon as possible before you forget them. You can do this in a physical notebook or in a word document (my preference). Doing this consistently trains your mind into believing that remembering dreams is important and thus your brain will make it easier for you to remember them.

Do this regularly first and write in the first person and in as much detail as you can remember, and if you have any questions you are free to message me; although there is a shit ton of information online. Meditating in a lucid dream is also very surreal.

In the future though it would be better to create a topic rather than resurrecting an old one.
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Postby Poweredbythesun » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:25 am

Ghost in the Machine wrote:
Poweredbythesun wrote:I know this is an old topic, but if I may ask; How does one train to lucid dream?

If you were asking me you'd be talking to the right person. Lucid dreams have so fascinated me and I've studied and done them multiple times since I was a kid. Sometimes just researching lucid dreaming can trigger one that night. The point is to wake yourself up while remaining inside of a dream and there are quite a lot of methods to do this.

My suggestion for starting off is to keep a dream journal. This is where you write down your dreams as soon as you wake up as soon as possible before you forget them. You can do this in a physical notebook or in a word document (my preference). Doing this consistently trains your mind into believing that remembering dreams is important and thus your brain will make it easier for you to remember them.

Do this regularly first and write in the first person and in as much detail as you can remember, and if you have any questions you are free to message me; although there is a shit ton of information online. Meditating in a lucid dream is also very surreal.

In the future though it would be better to create a topic rather than resurrecting an old one.


Thank you :) I will remember that next time, was looking through the forums (and the Yahoo forums) and this topic was one of the few about lucid dreaming.

I just remembered today, something I heard while listening to a SCP training log on memetic/cognito hazards. And how the agents in the fiction would learn to lucid dream so they could train, even while the slept. This topic I've found here gives me hope, will start keeping a dream journal ASAP :)
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Postby zolaluckystar » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:36 am

I don't see why if the topic is on the same subject, whats the harm in resurrecting it. There will be new people who haven't seen the info as its an old post. Just because its old doesn't invalidate it. Might save new people asking things that answers were already given for. Also keeps all the info in one thread for easy finding, seeing as how there aren't many threads on this topic.

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Make a practice of recording your dreams. Whatever it may be, even just a color or a feeling. Anything. Each night go to bed with the intention set you will remember. Try setting your alarm 5 minutes early than normal. Might interrupt you in a dream and help recall. This effort to train yourself to remember exercises a kind of 'muscle'.

I found the best way to begin was to literally keep a notebook under the pillow and a pen. Upon waking move as little as possible. Keep eyes shut and reach for the notebook and pen and still laying down, start scribbling everything you can remember down. I say this because movement (when new at this) is enough to blow the fragile dream fragment right out of your head. I used to write with my eyes shut, sometimes! Of course, sometimes it was kind of hard to read later. Lol. After you get as much as you can down, go ahead and shower, eat etc. And then sit down at the computer with the notebook and transcribe it into a document. You'll find doing this will jolt forth more details. Put them in too. Like for instance you'll have in your notebook: “He wore a shirt and pants”. You might find as you write it in the computer that: “He wore a red shirt, black pants, and was holding a book in his hand. OH, and there was a bouquet of roses on the table!” NICE. You just managed to pull out more detail.

Don't censor what you write. Even if it sounds silly. Write it down. Its really interesting to look over later. Because you'll totally forget it by the end of the day unless it was a strong dream and so going back to it weeks or months later is like: Oh, WOW. Its like having a peek into a whole other life you never knew you had. Many times I've found some odd detail that at the time I wrote it seemed nonsensical, in fact held great significance, though I didn't apprehend this till much later.
And this leads me to comment it's also good to keep a brief day journal as well. Because you'll start to see relationships between the waking and the dreaming.

Many times a dream will give you info you need to know in the waking world. But it doesn't give that to you in language, as in spoken words, at least, not very often is it literal. It will more often come to you in the language of symbols. This is where the re-occurring dream comes in. This happens because there is a message for you but you aren't getting it. So the dream re-occurs, like a friend calling you repeatedly on the phone...till you pick up. Until you finally get the message.

I personally find a lot of the dream books with their dream symbolism interpretations, you have to realize that while many images have seminal meanings, many other images or symbols, do NOT and are specific to you. They will mean something to you that to another not. You have to learn to de-code your own dreams, to an extent. This comes with practice. Like for example. It was a moonlit night. OK. How was the weather? Was there weather? Were you inside looking out a window? In a city? In the country? Were you outside in a wood? If so, was it stormy or calm? Was it summer or winter? Snow or flowers? Was it brilliantly lit, or overcast? How did it FEEL? Feelings are important. Did it fill you with calm, or apprehension? And what else was seen in the context of it? In other words, its not just a series of disjointed symbols. The way everything fits together draws a picture for you, information to decode. Its like reading the tarot. Its not just one individual card and that cards meaning, but how they all come together, how one relates to and flows into another, that tells a narrative, a story. And therein is the message.

You do this (journal) for a reason. It helps you to set the intention in your mind you will remember, to practice awareness, to observe detail and to remember it. This is going to be very useful later.

So...there you are. You are happily journaling away. And this can take months. But the time will come when, while still in the dream you'll go: Oh, I have to remember that!

And THEN you'll go: OMG, I'm dreaming! And viola! You're aware while in the astral! In the dream! Lucid!! This moment will be so exciting it'll probably blow you right out of the dream and wide awake.

Not to worry. Keep trying. You just had a major breakthrough :) Next time, try to focus on some detail in the 'dream'. To keep your attention focussed and your awareness centred. It acts as a kind of anchor. So the dream doesn't sweep you away again. Because it will, if you aren't ready. I've heard it said to look at your hands, for example. This is another thing you can do. While awake, try very hard to be 'present'. To be aware of your surroundings, observant. If its looking at your hands, take a minute here and there in the day to stop and look at them. When in the astral, do the same. It will help you focus.

The 'natural' state (I don't actually think it IS natural but rather the result of the enemy dumbing people down, spiritually blinding them) for most people is to relax into the dream, let it carry them away back into the deep water of unknowingness once again. To essentially be sleepwalking in the dream, just as they do in their waking hours. To be unconscious. Like the person who drives the same route home everyday. They're on autopilot. They aren't really fully consciously present. I've observed that most of the dreamers in the astral I've seen, are sleepwalking. They can't see me. I've become the ghost in the machine. If I get right up in their face, then they'll suddenly 'see' me.

And that is one way to tell who is a regular average dreamer and who might be more. Because that said there are others in the astral that WILL see you. But that would take a whole other big ass post to go into that. Don't worry about that just yet.

The other thing I would do is: get myself nice and comfy on my back. And lie still, like in corpse pose, savassanah. And just...try to maintain my inner eye focus, to maintain that point of awareness...how to explain? Like a diamond in my head. A bright diamond of light in my head, I visualized this point of awareness as a bright diamond in my head, and focussed on it while my body was falling asleep.

For a long time I just, you know...fell asleep. I didn't really understand why I did this.

But eventually, this led to the sensation of rippling. As though the bed was somehow no longer substantial under me. I'd hear a buzzing like of bees. And at that point I could WILL myself to leave my body. But that came after the lucid's were fairly regular. It was a natural progression. lucid dreaming, astral projection....are in essence the same thing. its just that conscious projection is a little stronger and there is no break in consciousness. You leave and remember leaving. Once you're lucid in a dream, its the same thing, you're aware, and in the astral.

I found the way things work over there is: what you believe to be true, or do-able, the dream or the projection shapes itself according to those 'rules'. This was easier to observe there because in the astral things change with the speed of thought. Took me a lot longer to realize its the same here in the waking/physical. The difference being it seems to take longer to materialize.

However that said, I suspect real mastery is when you can affect the physical as quickly and simply as you can the astral. I personally think this is the kind of level of Mastery the Gods have.

the main rules in the astral are Desire, Expectation and Belief or WILL. We desire something, Expect a result and through the Will, it shapes itself accordingly. Like how we're told here when you're doing a spell, you have to completely believe and KNOW it is working. Same principle.

But anyhow. I don't want to overwhelm with a massive post....though you guys know me and my propensity to making big ass posts! (shrugs) sorry. I love to write.

Keep journalling for a while. Be consistent. When you start getting lucid moments, resurrect this thread again and we can talk about more, if you wish :)
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Postby Poweredbythesun » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:42 pm

zolaluckystar wrote:I don't see why if the topic is on the same subject, whats the harm in resurrecting it. There will be new people who haven't seen the info as its an old post. Just because its old doesn't invalidate it. Might save new people asking things that answers were already given for. Also keeps all the info in one thread for easy finding, seeing as how there aren't many threads on this topic.

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Make a practice of recording your dreams. Whatever it may be, even just a color or a feeling. Anything. Each night go to bed with the intention set you will remember. Try setting your alarm 5 minutes early than normal. Might interrupt you in a dream and help recall. This effort to train yourself to remember exercises a kind of 'muscle'.

I found the best way to begin was to literally keep a notebook under the pillow and a pen. Upon waking move as little as possible. Keep eyes shut and reach for the notebook and pen and still laying down, start scribbling everything you can remember down. I say this because movement (when new at this) is enough to blow the fragile dream fragment right out of your head. I used to write with my eyes shut, sometimes! Of course, sometimes it was kind of hard to read later. Lol. After you get as much as you can down, go ahead and shower, eat etc. And then sit down at the computer with the notebook and transcribe it into a document. You'll find doing this will jolt forth more details. Put them in too. Like for instance you'll have in your notebook: “He wore a shirt and pants”. You might find as you write it in the computer that: “He wore a red shirt, black pants, and was holding a book in his hand. OH, and there was a bouquet of roses on the table!” NICE. You just managed to pull out more detail.

Don't censor what you write. Even if it sounds silly. Write it down. Its really interesting to look over later. Because you'll totally forget it by the end of the day unless it was a strong dream and so going back to it weeks or months later is like: Oh, WOW. Its like having a peek into a whole other life you never knew you had. Many times I've found some odd detail that at the time I wrote it seemed nonsensical, in fact held great significance, though I didn't apprehend this till much later.
And this leads me to comment it's also good to keep a brief day journal as well. Because you'll start to see relationships between the waking and the dreaming.

Many times a dream will give you info you need to know in the waking world. But it doesn't give that to you in language, as in spoken words, at least, not very often is it literal. It will more often come to you in the language of symbols. This is where the re-occurring dream comes in. This happens because there is a message for you but you aren't getting it. So the dream re-occurs, like a friend calling you repeatedly on the phone...till you pick up. Until you finally get the message.

I personally find a lot of the dream books with their dream symbolism interpretations, you have to realize that while many images have seminal meanings, many other images or symbols, do NOT and are specific to you. They will mean something to you that to another not. You have to learn to de-code your own dreams, to an extent. This comes with practice. Like for example. It was a moonlit night. OK. How was the weather? Was there weather? Were you inside looking out a window? In a city? In the country? Were you outside in a wood? If so, was it stormy or calm? Was it summer or winter? Snow or flowers? Was it brilliantly lit, or overcast? How did it FEEL? Feelings are important. Did it fill you with calm, or apprehension? And what else was seen in the context of it? In other words, its not just a series of disjointed symbols. The way everything fits together draws a picture for you, information to decode. Its like reading the tarot. Its not just one individual card and that cards meaning, but how they all come together, how one relates to and flows into another, that tells a narrative, a story. And therein is the message.

You do this (journal) for a reason. It helps you to set the intention in your mind you will remember, to practice awareness, to observe detail and to remember it. This is going to be very useful later.

So...there you are. You are happily journaling away. And this can take months. But the time will come when, while still in the dream you'll go: Oh, I have to remember that!

And THEN you'll go: OMG, I'm dreaming! And viola! You're aware while in the astral! In the dream! Lucid!! This moment will be so exciting it'll probably blow you right out of the dream and wide awake.

Not to worry. Keep trying. You just had a major breakthrough :) Next time, try to focus on some detail in the 'dream'. To keep your attention focussed and your awareness centred. It acts as a kind of anchor. So the dream doesn't sweep you away again. Because it will, if you aren't ready. I've heard it said to look at your hands, for example. This is another thing you can do. While awake, try very hard to be 'present'. To be aware of your surroundings, observant. If its looking at your hands, take a minute here and there in the day to stop and look at them. When in the astral, do the same. It will help you focus.

The 'natural' state (I don't actually think it IS natural but rather the result of the enemy dumbing people down, spiritually blinding them) for most people is to relax into the dream, let it carry them away back into the deep water of unknowingness once again. To essentially be sleepwalking in the dream, just as they do in their waking hours. To be unconscious. Like the person who drives the same route home everyday. They're on autopilot. They aren't really fully consciously present. I've observed that most of the dreamers in the astral I've seen, are sleepwalking. They can't see me. I've become the ghost in the machine. If I get right up in their face, then they'll suddenly 'see' me.

And that is one way to tell who is a regular average dreamer and who might be more. Because that said there are others in the astral that WILL see you. But that would take a whole other big ass post to go into that. Don't worry about that just yet.

The other thing I would do is: get myself nice and comfy on my back. And lie still, like in corpse pose, savassanah. And just...try to maintain my inner eye focus, to maintain that point of awareness...how to explain? Like a diamond in my head. A bright diamond of light in my head, I visualized this point of awareness as a bright diamond in my head, and focussed on it while my body was falling asleep.

For a long time I just, you know...fell asleep. I didn't really understand why I did this.

But eventually, this led to the sensation of rippling. As though the bed was somehow no longer substantial under me. I'd hear a buzzing like of bees. And at that point I could WILL myself to leave my body. But that came after the lucid's were fairly regular. It was a natural progression. lucid dreaming, astral projection....are in essence the same thing. its just that conscious projection is a little stronger and there is no break in consciousness. You leave and remember leaving. Once you're lucid in a dream, its the same thing, you're aware, and in the astral.

I found the way things work over there is: what you believe to be true, or do-able, the dream or the projection shapes itself according to those 'rules'. This was easier to observe there because in the astral things change with the speed of thought. Took me a lot longer to realize its the same here in the waking/physical. The difference being it seems to take longer to materialize.

However that said, I suspect real mastery is when you can affect the physical as quickly and simply as you can the astral. I personally think this is the kind of level of Mastery the Gods have.

the main rules in the astral are Desire, Expectation and Belief or WILL. We desire something, Expect a result and through the Will, it shapes itself accordingly. Like how we're told here when you're doing a spell, you have to completely believe and KNOW it is working. Same principle.

But anyhow. I don't want to overwhelm with a massive post....though you guys know me and my propensity to making big ass posts! (shrugs) sorry. I love to write.

Keep journalling for a while. Be consistent. When you start getting lucid moments, resurrect this thread again and we can talk about more, if you wish :)



Thanks :) I believe I had a semi lucid dream last night, but for some reason I refused to be aware of this fact that it was a dream :/ I did 'see' Satan though, and some of our gods. But the main plot of the first dream was of this sort of prison, and I freed everyone there and was chased into an elevator. When the chaser got in the elevator with me he seemed to teleport away, and I was in the elevator alone as it then started to freefall. Just after that I saw Satan, and I don't remember much else after that :/

To attempt to lucid dream I set fourth the intention, and from somewhere online I read apple juice could induce a lucid dream state. So I drank 2 cups of apple juice 5 minutes before bed, cleaned my aura, and slept. I've got to say too, for only 6~ hours of sleep I feel pretty well rested. :)

And despite everything, I'm still here. And I'm learning, albeit at a slothz pace ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And I believe that's what made Father Satan smile as I dreamed

I'm going to try again tonight, but I'll attempt to go into a trance state first. Thank you Zola :D
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

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Poweredbythesun wrote:Thanks :) I believe I had a semi lucid dream last night, but for some reason I refused to be aware of this fact that it was a dream :/ I did 'see' Satan though, and some of our gods. But the main plot of the first dream was of this sort of prison, and I freed everyone there and was chased into an elevator. When the chaser got in the elevator with me he seemed to teleport away, and I was in the elevator alone as it then started to freefall. Just after that I saw Satan, and I don't remember much else after that :/

To attempt to lucid dream I set fourth the intention, and from somewhere online I read apple juice could induce a lucid dream state. So I drank 2 cups of apple juice 5 minutes before bed, cleaned my aura, and slept. I've got to say too, for only 6~ hours of sleep I feel pretty well rested. :)

And despite everything, I'm still here. And I'm learning, albeit at a slothz pace ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And I believe that's what made Father Satan smile as I dreamed

I'm going to try again tonight, but I'll attempt to go into a trance state first. Thank you Zola :D


That's awesome :D I use to lucid dream when I was younger only manage it twice for about a total of 30 seconds but it was one of the best times in my life, and during that time was when I was living a much better life then I am now. Poweredbythesun, I think you should this give technique called W.I.L.D (Wake Induced Lucid Dreams) a go since you have experience with meditation. I originally heard about this technique during my craze for Lucid Dreaming on that site. I was never able to achieve it but I got pretty close to it.

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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Ghost in the Machine » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:53 am

zolaluckystar wrote:I don't see why if the topic is on the same subject, whats the harm in resurrecting it. There will be new people who haven't seen the info as its an old post. Just because its old doesn't invalidate it. Might save new people asking things that answers were already given for. Also keeps all the info in one thread for easy finding, seeing as how there aren't many threads on this topic.


You do make a point. My original impulse was based upon order and organization in regards to specific topics, but it is in fact related so I retract my statement.

Lucid dreams are incredible experiences, but personally as of late I've been interested in Astral Projection. I've made a few attempts at this and despite strongly intending to leave my body and the relaxation I achieve (which may or may not be enough) I could only get to a point where the lower half of my body feels cold, and I'm not even certain if that's any separation at all of the soul or not as I've never astral projected before.

I figure I should have all of my chakras open before attempting again and work on my heart chakra. I have many reasons to want to astral project but my long-term desire is an astral temple, but I also wonder if it's possible to practice combat against the enemy in the astral? I won't be doing anything as such or super extreme though until all of my chakras are fully open and active I can properly communicate with the demons and my GD as I would much prefer their guidance as my teachers. Besides what I already understand on the basis of it, what should I know about astral projection?
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby zolaluckystar » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:18 am

“figure I should have all of my chakras open before attempting again and work on my heart chakra”.


I don't know about having your chakras open before attempting as it says here from JoS you actually close them before attempting to go out of body:

Meditation 1
This meditation feels weird. Just make sure you seriously want to project, otherwise, any hesitation can keep you in your body. You have to be relaxed, both mentally and physically. The first few times are the most difficult. Like with anything else, consistent practice will make this easier, until you no longer have to even enter into a deep trance, but can project any time at will. Some people find projecting easier than others, as they have done this in past lives. 
1. Get real comfortable and go into a trance. When you are so relaxed you can no longer feel your body, you are ready.
2. Visualize your astral body inside your physical body, being held there by your seven chakras. The chakras can be visualized like colored knobs. 
3. Take each spinning chakra and stop it from spinning and give it a quarter turn in the reverse of the direction it was spinning, like turning a doorknob. 
4. Relax and let go and try to exit. 


I didn't know this about the chakras when I was going out of body. I (personally) found training to recall led naturally to lucids. After becoming proficient at maintaining lucidity (got to where maybe 4, 5 nights out of 7 I'd be lucid), the next phase, that of consistent work on maintaining the awareness led to longer and longer periods of lucidity till I could go to bed, leave, stay aware till I returned in the morning. And THAT led naturally to out of body projecting. However since I was doing all this while without, I was eventually severely attacked by these things (reptilians) that scared me so bad (never heard of them before and seeing them – at the time I thought I must be going fucking crazy), I stopped working on this and built a big block. Which I'm working now to unblock :P

In the article Treatise on Astral Projection. The author writes: “When you do a ‘fully conscious’ projection of the astral form you project into the physical world, not any astral world. This has long been misunderstood. What is usually thought of as astral projection today is better called ‘Lucid Dreaming’ which is completely different”.

When I consciously projected straight out of the body I felt it was in the layer we exist in physically. Or, at most only a few layers out, where things appear pretty much the same as the waking world. It's true I think, the farther out you get the more things will be different. As he says: you think you're in the waking world till you run into a Cheshire Cat. But I still contend that either way, your form is astral and if you're projecting in the astral planes (as he calls it lucid dreaming) or in the physical world (as he calls it astral projection), either way, I feel its splitting hairs myself. Its astral projection WHEREVER you're going. You're projecting in your astral form. Either consciously or (as in most peoples cases) unconsciously. Staying close to 'home' or going farther out.

He says you'll rarely see others consciously projecting. Thats true enough however that said I went to one specific place where many of us gathered and were taught things in a classroom setting. And I was aware they were like me. Projecting.

There are beings that exist on those planes who will take notice of you. Some aren't like you, as in human/astral projecting/lucid dreaming. You'll also meet the 'dead' (though, they don't appreciate being called 'dead') The greys and reptilians are quite proficient in these realms. You may see them too.

I also came to wonder if the amnesia of forgetting the dreams and the tendency to sleepwalk in the dreams is a kind of barrier...I've thought about it a lot and wonder.....those unable or willing to explore the occult worlds, is too much information for them. Do they conveniently 'forget'? Its as I said before, I suspect its the result of generations of dumbing down spiritually. I thought this because me being there and conscious? Definitely attracted attention....while the sleepwalkers didn't.

The author mentions higher levels. I relate to this also. I found there were many, many levels. Some are totally underground labyrinths. Some aboveground but very dark like perpetual night. But not just dark like that...but dark as in spiritually. I recall a few times going there and rescuing someone who had gotten lost in there (they weren't supposed to be there and were being attacked). Some places are areas of perpetual twilight. I found most of the dead (that I spoke to anyway) there. Other places can be very sunny and bright. I've seen vast landscapes where they have floating cities in the sky. The astral has incredible variety. I think the highest level I was personally able to get to was the bright areas where there are places of learning – kind of like universities. I went to many a class while there.

You might want to give this a read:

http://web.archive.org/web/201311270254 ... 0Bruce.pdf


"I also wonder if it's possible to practice combat against the enemy in the astral?"

I would say yes but...I think you'd need to be learning a lot first. Like how to get there, stay aware, keep a focussed attention, how to fight in the astral, how to shield, techniques etc...ask Satan to send you a Demon who's willing to teach you....BEFORE trying to take something on there for real. You can get hurt or killed if you aren't strong enough. Don't go off half cocked. But yeah you can learn and be taught in the astral while lucid dreaming.


And then theres this from our JoS:

Meditation 2
This is more like a preparatory exercise. This one is not nearly as powerful as the one above, but less intense for those of you who would rather do this gradually. 
1. Lie down and relax, as above. Go into a trance. Relax to where you feel like you are floating. 
2. Now, lift your left astral arm up. Visualize this. You will need to imagine this, but energy follows where it is directed. 
3. Lift up your right astral arm and touch your face
4. Touch both your astral hands together.
5. Do the same thing with each leg and foot.
6. Imagine your entire astral body floating above your physical body, or somewhere else in the room and concentrate on being there. Just lie there and focus on this for a while. 
Keep repeating this exercise often and eventually, astral projection will follow.

I've done this. I did it naturally on my own while still without but yeah it totally works.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Ghost in the Machine » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:46 pm

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The majority of this information I already know, and I had already read the pdf.

But what about 'seeing' in the astral? I believe I had read somewhere that if your third-eye isn't powerful enough it will be very difficult to see anything on the astral. Yesterday I was trying to 'repair' my third-eye and while practicing with a blindfold, I noticed that it was very dark looking through my third eye, and I could just barely make out the outline of my hands in front of me and see very weak outlines of the objects around me.

If I astral projected, would that be how it looks to me? Or does it not rely on your third-eye to 'see' in the astral? How would one remain on the realm of the physical while in the astral instead of flitting about to strange locations and your own accidentally created realms?
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Postby zolaluckystar » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:16 am

“The majority of this information I already know, and I had already read the pdf.”

I wasn't just writing this for your benefit Ghost, but for people who aren't as informed as yourself.
(You're welcome poweredbythesun)

About 'seeing' on the astral. I found it to be like as a baby would find it here as a new born. Hard to see, to focus the eyes, hard to move around. I had to 'learn' to walk, to fly, to 'see'. I had trouble focussing my 'eyes' at first. I think it IS your third eye that allows you to 'see' there. So it would make sense if your third eye isn't powerful you might not be able to see much. In my case I could see ok, but my focus needed adjusting. You know how if you put on a pair of prescription glasses that aren't yours how everything is all fucked up looking? Like that. I was very puzzled at this till it hit me maybe its because I sometimes wear glasses in real life so...I could have 'made' a pair of them for here...but I wouldn't need them here (out of body in astral) as my third eye sees perfectly. I reached up, pulled off a pair of 'glasses'......and I could see great!

As for if ones third eye isn't powerful how to develop it...this wasn't a problem of mine but I think one can find something in the power meditations to work on it.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html

I think my glasses story illustrates the result of things/beliefs ingrained into us. You manifest according to that conditioning there till you become Aware and consciously fix it.

Aware you aren't in that other place (physical) and the same conditions don't apply.

Awareness is key.

I think the glasses incident is a good illustration of how what a person (even subconsciously) believes/what a person is programmed to believe/manifests on the astral (well of course this principle actually is applicable on the physical as well but we're talking the astral). But then of course, everything physical originates from the astral. Its a thought before its a thing.

Its like people are told it's 'just' a dream or: “dreams are meaningless' or: “I never remember my dreams'...and so it manifests. I think this is why most of the dreamers there I saw always were like sleepwalkers. They saw what they expected to see. Me floating around over their heads wasn't something they expected to see; ergo, they didn't see me. Literally could not see me till I got in their face.

“You do this (journal) for a reason. It helps you to set the intention in your mind you will remember, to practice awareness, to observe detail and to remember it”.

It always comes back to awareness. “I found the way things work over there is: what you believe to be true, or do-able, the dream or the projection shapes itself according to those 'rules'. This was easier to observe there because in the astral things change with the speed of thought. Took me a lot longer to realize its the same here in the waking/physical. The difference being it seems to take longer to materialize.

the main rules in the astral are Desire, Expectation and Belief or WILL. We desire something, Expect a result and through the Will, it shapes itself accordingly. Like how we're told here when you're doing a spell, you have to completely believe and KNOW it is working. Same principle.”

“How would one remain on the realm of the physical while in the astral instead of flitting about to strange locations and your own accidentally created realms?”


If theres somewhere specific you want to go, once you're lucid you can will yourself there. One trick I liked to use while new at this was to go to the nearest wall. Stand in front of it.
Announce where you desire to go.
Now walk through the wall. With the Expectation that you will be where you wish to be upon emerging on the other side of that wall. You believe it to be so, that it will work. No doubt in your mind. You will it to be so. Hold it in your minds eye. When you emerge from the other side of the wall, most times you'll be there. This isn't 100% but it works often. I suspect it doesn't work 100% because sometimes I wasn't totally sure it WOULD work.

Astral isn't like physical as in, you throw yourself off a cliff, you fall and die.

Over there, you could fall, or fly. Depending on your level of awareness and the will.

You aren't aware you're in the astral, you expect to fall, and you do
Or you're aware you're in the astral, you expect you can fly, and you do.

“However that said, I suspect real mastery is when you can affect the physical as quickly and simply as you can the astral. I personally think this is the kind of level of Mastery the Gods have”.
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Postby Poweredbythesun » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:49 am

Quick question; What does seeing animals like a Kitsune (nine tailed fox) in a dream mean? I did not interact with it in one of my most recent (semi lucid) dreams, but I completely remember it watching me. And when I woke a voice told me "No matter what, just remember Kitsune" And so I scribbled it down in my dream journal, and then wrote the rest of the dream down.

I've been told my current spirit animal is a White Wolf (as of 2017), and that there is an animal that is following me through life/that has possibly followed me through other lives too. But this kind of spooked me
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby zolaluckystar » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:03 pm

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Thats a very interesting question. I'd not heard of a Kitsune before. So I looked it up. It says stories depict them as intelligent beings possessing paranormal abilities that increase with their age and wisdom.

"Kitsune have become closely associated with Inari, a Shinto kami or spirit, and serve as its messengers. This role has reinforced the fox's supernatural significance. The more tails a kitsune has—they may have as many as nine—the older, wiser, and more powerful it is".

This made me think right away of a Daemon/Demon:

A divinity or supernatural being (a highly powerful, intelligent and helpful knowing being)
An inner or attendant spirit or inspiring force.
‘Socrates claimed to have lived his life according to the dictates of his daimon’


And 9 'tails'
9 is a complete, perfected and divine number and one of Satans numbers.

6+6+6=9

There are different kinds of dreams. The following is merely based on my own experiences so take it for what thats worth. I don't claim to know it all. But this is my thoughts based on what I know:

Some dreams seem to be kind of like housekeeping dreams; sorting and compiling information and filing it. Rather mundane, nothing really significant. And then some dreams are symbolic of things going on with you – in that interpretation the major elements of the dream can be seen as pieces of yourself. And then there are strong dreams: dreams that are powerful messages. And in dreams such as these messages can come from other sources than your (higher) self. For one example the Gods communicate with you in dreams. I think its because (since they aren't here physically) they're communicating with us on the astral and when you're asleep and dreaming, you're also in the astral and maybe its easier for them to reach you then or better said its easier for YOU to hear THEM. Since if your astral senses aren't really open in the waking world, its harder to 'hear' messages.

Not to say that, if one of the Gods had a major thing to communicate, that they can't make you 'hear' them - but generally I don't think thats their way. They aren't commonly going around astrally 'yelling' at us.

Theres been a few times when it was really important I 'hear' them and then yeah. They 'yelled' so I could 'hear'. Let me give an example. I'm on my bike trying to cross four lanes of heavy traffic. The traffic was momentarily halted off to the right at the red light and I couldn't see the opposing lines of traffic because of a big truck. But it seemed clear. I began to cross and was about to emerge into the opposing lane from behind this big truck when I 'heard' my Guardian Demon say very loudly: “STOP!” I hit the brakes as an 18 wheel semi truck (out of nowhere it seemed) goes blasting past me close enough the wind of its passing hit me. If I'd not listened and stopped when my Guardian 'yelled' at me I'd have been mowed down. So, something like that, and they want you to 'hear' them....yeah, they'll make themselves heard.

A strong dream will just FEEL different. And will impress itself strongly on you. It won't evaporate like a regular dream does. You'll feel the sense it was definitely conveying a message. This could be a past life memory, for example, or a premonition. Something you should be knowing. And then theres recurring dreams. These too are a form of message. But in a different form, more like someone 'ringing' you again and again to tell you something who'll keep trying to reach you until you 'pick up the phone' so to speak. Like a persistent friend with something urgent to tell.

So you say:

What does seeing animals like a Kitsune (nine tailed fox) in a dream mean? I did not interact with it in one of my most recent (semi lucid) dreams, but I completely remember it watching me. And when I woke a voice told me "No matter what, just remember Kitsune" And so I scribbled it down in my dream journal, and then wrote the rest of the dream down. 

I've been told my current spirit animal is a White Wolf (as of 2017), and that there is an animal that is following me through life/that has possibly followed me through other lives too. But this kind of spooked me


I get the feeling this is a recurring dream? The kitsune? Its shown up before. Meaning there's a message there for you. So, whats it mean? What message?

A few ways to look at it (and all can be valid):

One: its reflecting yourself, a quality you have that is wanting to be more closely joined to/with you. So its following you around. So here we have an animal symbolizing intelligence and paranormal abilities that increase with age (practice/experience). You're an SS striving to advance yourself and learn (to become more intelligent/knowledgable) in the occult and to grow your 'paranormal' abilities. So, the dream can be communicating that you possess innate ability you're wanting to re-connect to, remember and keep working on that. And that it also wants to re-connect with YOU. Hence its 'following' you about. I'd see that as a positive indication your work to advance is making strides.

And Two: In the sense this fox Being could represent in animal form one of of the Gods, such as Raum has a crow or Amon has a hawk, well once again, it can be seen as indicative of a wise, intelligent and powerful being whose interest you have attracted and so again, I'd take it's presence as something positive.

You're seeking to connect to your more psychically aware side; the fox is a reminder to be open and aware and not to shut things you sense out/dismiss as: I'm probably just imagining that. It says: If you have a gut feeling, LISTEN to it.

I get the feeling you have a tendency to do this. To ignore your gut. If so, don't be so afraid of the 'paranormal'. Listen to it. You say this 'spooked' you. But theres nothing to fear. It can also be telling you literally there's a wise and powerful Being (a Daemon/Demon, perhaps) who is there – your Guardian Demon. I don't know if you know who your Guardian Demon is? But if you don't, the fox might be a clue?

You could try (if you're lucid enough to remember to try it) this. Approach the kitsune next time you see it. Ask it: What can I do for you? If its a reflection of yourself it will tell you. Because in that sense its your self seeking to know your self. Interesting in this light to consider what it says:
No matter what, remember me.

If its a Demon, when you approach and ask, He/She will probably shape-shift to human form and speak to you. And if you aren't sure this Being is legit (and even if you think they are) it won't hurt to ask: Are you dedicated to Satan? If this Being is a Demon loyal to Satan they'll have no problem confirming this straight up to you. And you can then ask Him/Her: What message would you like me to know? And again, its interesting it says: No matter what, remember me. HPS Maxine has written one of the things the Demons want of us is that we remember them.

And Three: It can also be warning you that, in the waking life quite soon there is going to be a moment when your gut speaks to you stongly and not to dismiss it. No matter what, remember that.

Now, its also interesting to think its a literal spirit animal following you around. One that has possibly followed you through other lives too. If so, I would say thats a pretty loyal little familiar! Not something to be frightened of. And again, next time you see it, you can ask it: What can I do for you? What are you trying to tell me? It will tell you.

Sorry I know you said its a quick question and here I give you such a long answer. Me and my big ass posts. (shrugs) sorry :P
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Poweredbythesun » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:58 am

zolaluckystar wrote:


That's okay, thank you for explaining :)

Tonight I'm going to attempt to ask this Kitsune what it wants from me. And what I can do for it. I just drank 2 cups of apple juice, am just about to go to bed, and am preparing to do some affirmations so I remember what I need to do.

It's crazy you mention the recurring dream thing too. While I haven't had recurring dreams, the Kitsune has been in each dream I've had since that first one. And at one point I think it even approached me, I should know for sure tonight though. So I won't keep them waiting much longer, I'll let you know of my results :)
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Postby Poweredbythesun » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:45 am

Alright, so while I didn't have much control over my dreams last night. I did figure out what the Kitsune was about, she was my companion and lover from lifetimes ago :)

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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Ghost in the Machine » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:35 pm

zolaluckystar wrote:I wasn't just writing this for your benefit Ghost


I just stated that out of casual acknowledgement more for myself than for you, I hope I didn't give the impression of thinking I'm the centre of the universe or something, any knowledge is well and good to be shared with as many here as possible.

Now I may have yet to Astral Project but you mention 'sleepwalkers'. Are these people that are dreaming? Because if so it could be that their dream is something manifested through their eyes only on the astral while you see your own personal visuals like a set of VR goggles in where you can still see the other 'players'. But that's just me thinking out loud.

Lucid dreaming is something I'm very familiar with however, but if I'm within a lucid dream, am I on some kind of plane within the astral? I know the soul doesn't fully leave the body when dreaming, at least that's what I've read so far, but what if you're aware of your dream? Say for example I create an astral temple in a lucid dream, is that the same as making one while actually on the astral? Or will it be lost?
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby zolaluckystar » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:37 am

no of course not ghost and I'm sorry if I made that impression. I wasn't trying to belittle you just point out I was writing this for more people than just yourself.

My own experience is that in fact you do leave the body when dreaming and lucid dreaming is when you become aware of it. And that you are in fact, on the astral.

Creating a structure like an astral temple while lucid dreaming is going to be determinative on your personal power to do so. You ARE on the astral. We go there every night while dreaming. Most people just aren't aware they are doing so. Lucid dreaming there is just 'waking up' and becoming aware of where you are (on the astral). The cities and structures that i've visited time and time again in the astral, i think they are created by many, many dreamers to the point it becomes a 'solid' place. it doesn't dissipate. its become 'solid'.

This is why the jewsus thought form has so much power as an astral thought form because so many, many people have poured thier expectatons and belief and psychic power into it through being tied into it through Xianity over generations.

when I said sleepwalkers yes I meant these are people who are in fact in a body and dreaming. and in the astral they are like sleepwalkers, just as they are in the waking world. Most people are spiritually unaware. By design.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Ghost in the Machine » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:09 pm

zolaluckystar wrote:Creating a structure like an astral temple while lucid dreaming is going to be determinative on your personal power to do so. You ARE on the astral. We go there every night while dreaming. Most people just aren't aware they are doing so. Lucid dreaming there is just 'waking up' and becoming aware of where you are (on the astral). The cities and structures that i've visited time and time again in the astral, i think they are created by many, many dreamers to the point it becomes a 'solid' place. it doesn't dissipate. its become 'solid'.

This is why the jewsus thought form has so much power as an astral thought form because so many, many people have poured thier expectatons and belief and psychic power into it through being tied into it through Xianity over generations.

when I said sleepwalkers yes I meant these are people who are in fact in a body and dreaming. and in the astral they are like sleepwalkers, just as they are in the waking world. Most people are spiritually unaware. By design.


This answers questions I didn't even know I had. It explains Hell for example and why it's dimly lit, so that it's hidden from hostiles on the astral. It's a created domain for us on the astral where our souls are protected and guarded by the demons. So when lucid dreaming, it would be possible for me to visit Hell? And since everything is thought based is the limit of capability your willpower and imagination? Or does your soul majorly weigh in for some factors?

I ask this for the chance that I may be attacked on the astral. I know the demons protect us but I much prefer to be able to defend myself alone without any help unless I'm way in over my head. Say some grey happens across me for example, if I just think of it being destroyed, will it be destroyed? Or will I have to make a spiritual effort with magic based upon my abilities? Can I really do anything that I can imagine?

Lucid dream stories I've read are wild and my own personal ones have been surreal. I once found a landscape that was nothing but shallow pink waters with rectangular plateaus, and the sky was a very beautiful pale blue. I have so many questions that I need to make a list of about the astral. I continue to try to find answers for myself though as I almost projected last night. My issue however was I couldn't relax my head and neck enough but I'll work that out.

I appreciate you answering my questions and will try to find answers for the rest on my own.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Poweredbythesun » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:49 am

Just wanted to post a quick update:

Lilly has been helping me remember my dreams after I wake up, though I haven't quite been able to lucid dream yet. I'm also being gradually taught how to project my energy to interact with Lilly.

Aside from all that, I think some time around Yule I want to try the rope method of astral projection. Do you have any advice for a beginner in astral projection?


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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby zolaluckystar » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:28 am

Interesting...is this why Hell is dimly lit? In the astral there are areas of dark, areas of twilight, and sunny areas...for some reason they built Hell in a place of perpetual twilight. Hmmm. So I'm sitting here thinking about this, wondering why and I recall the dark areas and the twilight areas were the areas I met the sleepwalkers (humans who are alive in a body, and sleeping/dreaming - but not 'Aware') and the spirits of the 'dead'...

Can one go to Hell while lucid dreaming? I did....just once.
I realized i was lucid: Oh, great! I'm in the astral! And announced: I want to go to Satan's Palace! And walked through the nearest wall. This is a little trick of mine. You announce where you will yourself to go, set the intention and walk through the wall, and presto, you will find yourself where you want to go. Its not 100% though. I think it depends on how much you believe it will work...and also if the space is shielded or not? As far as Hell goes, while its obviously shielded against the enemy...I don't think it is from one of us. I walked through the wall, and emerged into this long gallery. Tall ceilings, fine art on the walls, just beautiful. It kind of reminds you of the sun kings hallway in the palace in france. kinda....but just imagine it even more grand, higher ceilings, just even more dazzlingly gorgeous. I've never in my life actually been in a space like this. it was quite beyond anything I could have imagined, I think. Because I didn't really have a frame of reference for what i was seeing. I stopped short and just stared, for long moments. And then began to wander around gawking at this amazing place.

sort of like this but nicer:
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great statues, paintings, tapestries, incredible rugs, marble, I mean, the entire place is like a massive work of art. Everything and I mean everything is crafted by artisans, every detail is meticulous. Fine art all over the place....doorways into other galleries and more halls, and vast rooms...I thought of the Mighty Halls of Valhalla. It was just so beautiful. The floors were a darker color too but the thing was, it seemed like nobody was home!

Although I did see a bird.....I think it was an owl .....go swooping by me at one point. He flashed past me coming from behind me and vanished out of sight, up the hall. That was the only living thing I saw. I wandered for quite some time and didn't see another soul. And then finally, a female passing through (first person I'd seen) noticed me wandering disconsolantly (by then I was getting really sad nobody was around) approached me and asked: "Can I help you?" I asked if Andras was available and she said oh no, sorry....Hes not here at present. I said: Oh....thats too bad, ok, thank you....I was so dissapointed I woke myself. But actually, it made sense to me later because one of the Clergy wrote in a sermon (I forget which one or where) but they mentioned that all the Satanic Souls have been reincarnated at this time for the fight here. So.....it made sense to me why nobody was home. But at the time in the dream I was very disappointed. I'd hoped to see some of the Gods, and maybe even Satan. I would also say that if you choose to try this to go looking for your GD, I'd suggest you ASK them if its ok: I'm going to try to get lucid tonight and come see you, is this ok? Don't just barge in on them :) XD
Its like; your at home relaxing and busy doing something....like having sex, perhaps...and someone just....walks right on in without even knocking! Totally unannounced saying: "Hey there! Thought I'd drop in and say hi!"

Anyhow....I've gone off on a tangent! oops!
The others in the daylight realm (where I went for instruction) they were all people like myself, that is, alive in a body and astral travelling, but aware. No sleepwalkers, no 'dead' people. The 'instructors' were (definitely) wayyy more advanced than us. And they were also bigger than us. And for some reason, they were invisible. Thats how it was every time. So how do I know they were of greater physical stature? because for example, taking a walk in the gardens with one of these invisible Beings, He was speaking to me, and just by His energy signature and the power He radiated, it felt yes, like he was much bigger than me. If that makes sense. I felt like maybe my head would have come to His shoulders. Maybe. And I knew it was a He. It was always a He. But perhaps this is because I just prefer men. Our class was but one in an entire university, after all.

So if the dark places and the twilight places are where the dead go...maybe this is why Hell is in twilight. I....don't think its really about keeping it hidden from hostiles. Though I could be wrong on that. I don't know but thats an interesting observation ghost.

I keep a dream journal. I've looked over my dreams and one thing I notice is that I'll have many dreams of 'friends'...who in the dream I mistake for some old friend from my waking life (who is blonde and tall and handsome) but upon waking realize actually no....it wasn't that person. And the thought has occurred to me that...maybe, maybe sometimes its our Guardian Demon, kind of incognito. Like, maybe its just easier sometimes for them because if it was really looking like one of the Demons, maybe it would be like seeing a rock star you absolutely LOVE.....some people can't handle it, they'd freak the heck out, scream, cry...who knows, faint maybe? I've had occasion to meet some famous people. To me they were just people. But I saw how they affected others around us. Some people just seem to lose their minds. Seriously. its just ridiculous. And I remember thinking (at the time) how it would just drive me fucking nuts to always be getting that kind of reaction. Like, you aren't really being yourself. You aren't relaxed like with an old friend.

So my thought is, maybe sometimes, when one of the Gods is just casually taking a fast peek in or stopping by to say 'hi'.....maybe they do this. And maybe it was the same reason why the instructors were invisible...we'd simply get overwhelmed by their radiance and be so freaked looking at them........we wouldn't be able to listen to what they were saying! And so this being incognito thing, is helpful? I do recall one dream where I walked into a room and on the wall was a huge lifesized Portrait of a God. He was standing facing the viewer but looking off to His Left. I stopped to admire it because it was really beautifully done. And then I recognized the subject, got VERY excited and yelled: ANDRAS!!!!! and He turned His head, looked out of the picture at me, smiled, stepped out of the picture and walked over to me and I was just......fucking ecstatic to see Him.

No, you can't just think it destroyed and its destroyed. Your power depends on the power of your soul and how advanced it is. You definitely would be wanting imagination and willpower, but I think its like anything else, you have to practice. prowess at anything stems from experience and practice. Its work. You can't get anything just by wishing.

Its a lot of effort, spiritual, physical or mental.....its effort......to become expert at anything. The 'stuff' that makes up the dreamscape, that stuff will react if you just tell it to do something but....not so with an enemy or something else IN the dreamscape that has its own external reality. They won't transform or die just by us telling them to or wishing it or imagining it. Unless thats backed with real spiritual power, and that comes from experience and practice, effort. I mean, like Satan is 500 thousand years old. Can you imagine the depth of the life experience and His Practice? I think then, yes, a Being like Satan can indeed, bend reality to His will, as we can mold a lucid dream. The enemy fears Him for good reason.

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Oh, the rope method. Yes, you could try it. or that one HPS Maxine wrote, it works good too (I'm just going to repost it here so people don't have to scroll up again for it).

Meditation 2
This is more like a preparatory exercise. This one is not nearly as powerful as the one above, but less intense for those of you who would rather do this gradually.
1. Lie down and relax, as above. Go into a trance. Relax to where you feel like you are floating.
2. Now, lift your left astral arm up. Visualize this. You will need to imagine this, but energy follows where it is directed.
3. Lift up your right astral arm and touch your face
4. Touch both your astral hands together.
5. Do the same thing with each leg and foot.
6. Imagine your entire astral body floating above your physical body, or somewhere else in the room and concentrate on being there. Just lie there and focus on this for a while.
Keep repeating this exercise often and eventually, astral projection will follow.

Try different methods till you hit on one that works for you. since we're all individual some things will work better than for others, I think. Like for me, when I felt the vibrations and heard the buzzing, i knew it was ok to leave and I'd simply will myself out. Just imagine yourself floating up like a cloud out of the body. One way that helped me to do so was to focus on a picture on the wall and then see it moving down (as you are floating up).

Advice for a beginner in astral projection? I would say its really good to have some kind of thing you are trying to do....like, once you go on out, have something to do. This helps keep you focussed. One of my things was to remember to ask people I met a specific question. Like, for instance, what's the name of this place/city? I'd go about and casually ask them this and when I woke up/returned record it.
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby nishka » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:46 pm

zolaluckystar wrote:Can one go to Hell while lucid dreaming? I did....just once.
I realized i was lucid: Oh, great! I'm in the astral! And announced: I want to go to Satan's Palace! And walked through the nearest wall. This is a little trick of mine. You announce where you will yourself to go, set the intention and walk through the wall, and presto, you will find yourself where you want to go. Its not 100% though. I think it depends on how much you believe it will work...and also if the space is shielded or not? As far as Hell goes, while its obviously shielded against the enemy...I don't think it is from one of us. I walked through the wall, and emerged into this long gallery. Tall ceilings, fine art on the walls, just beautiful. It kind of reminds you of the sun kings hallway in the palace in france. kinda....but just imagine it even more grand, higher ceilings, just even more dazzlingly gorgeous. I've never in my life actually been in a space like this. it was quite beyond anything I could have imagined, I think. Because I didn't really have a frame of reference for what i was seeing. I stopped short and just stared, for long moments. And then began to wander around gawking at this amazing place.
[...]
great statues, paintings, tapestries, incredible rugs, marble, I mean, the entire place is like a massive work of art. Everything and I mean everything is crafted by artisans, every detail is meticulous. Fine art all over the place....doorways into other galleries and more halls, and vast rooms...I thought of the Mighty Halls of Valhalla. It was just so beautiful. The floors were a darker color too but the thing was, it seemed like nobody was home!


Crazy, I once had a similar experience! It was a different place of hell, but both the colors and the architecture match your description rather well!

I'm not sure if it was by means of astral projection or lucid dreaming, but I fell into a trance and 'willed' myself into hell in order to check on a recently deceased person. I reappeared inside an enormously long marble hallway. Flanked by tall marble pillars were open alcoves from where you could see the outside. The entire world was cloaked in perpetual twilight, as well.

The woman I was looking for sat on a marble bench, sobbing; I felt that she trying to come to terms with her physical passing. I was like a hundred yards away, and as I started to approach her, a voice suddenly whispered: "You're not supposed to be here", after which I got kicked out. No matter how hard I tried to come back, I just couldn't. It felt like some sort of block was placed onto me.

Well, I guess I kinda deserved that.

zolaluckystar wrote:..we'd simply get overwhelmed by their radiance and be so freaked looking at them


Blinded, from what I had seen. If he/she is really powerful, it feels like staring into the sun; literally.

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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Poweredbythesun » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:49 pm

zolaluckystar wrote:
powered by the sun: Lilly? Is this your Kitsunes name?
Oh, the rope method. Yes, you could try it. or that one HPS Maxine wrote, it works good too (I'm just going to repost it here so people don't have to scroll up again for it).

Meditation 2
This is more like a preparatory exercise. This one is not nearly as powerful as the one above, but less intense for those of you who would rather do this gradually.
1. Lie down and relax, as above. Go into a trance. Relax to where you feel like you are floating.
2. Now, lift your left astral arm up. Visualize this. You will need to imagine this, but energy follows where it is directed.
3. Lift up your right astral arm and touch your face
4. Touch both your astral hands together.
5. Do the same thing with each leg and foot.
6. Imagine your entire astral body floating above your physical body, or somewhere else in the room and concentrate on being there. Just lie there and focus on this for a while.
Keep repeating this exercise often and eventually, astral projection will follow.

Try different methods till you hit on one that works for you. since we're all individual some things will work better than for others, I think. Like for me, when I felt the vibrations and heard the buzzing, i knew it was ok to leave and I'd simply will myself out. Just imagine yourself floating up like a cloud out of the body. One way that helped me to do so was to focus on a picture on the wall and then see it moving down (as you are floating up).

Advice for a beginner in astral projection? I would say its really good to have some kind of thing you are trying to do....like, once you go on out, have something to do. This helps keep you focussed. One of my things was to remember to ask people I met a specific question. Like, for instance, what's the name of this place/city? I'd go about and casually ask them this and when I woke up/returned record it.


Yes, her name is Lilly :) I haven't seen much of her in dreams lately, but she is here with me wherever I go. I can see her here in my surroundings through my third eye. Lately Lilly has been my voice of reason in dreams, and helped me record them more than anything. But she's also a companion and lover, as she was 2 lifetimes ago.

I think after I do my yoga and RTRs today I'll try that exercise, seems like it'll take a lot of focus. But I'm sure I can do it :)

I'll also have to pay attention to the sky in dreams more, I just remembered that my last dream of the night had a dark sky while it felt like it was day time. Other things have also thrown me off too, like a car changing into a lamp. But that sadly wasn't enough to throw me off and make me lucid dream :/ But I am getting better at identifying the dream :)
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Ghost in the Machine » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:58 am

zolaluckystar wrote:----


That's an incredible story, I really enjoy reading things from you as you definitely show your excitement and how you felt as if I was there with you. I had some kind of idea of Hell being a bit like roman times, marble structures and temples and what not, but what you described is actually much nicer.

As for using Lucid Dreams to see my GD I have many reasons to believe my GD is Andras and really don't want to bother him if I don't need to even if I ask whether it's okay first. He was busy yesterday or so I presumed as I gave a try at calling my GD to me for directing energy on the Wealth & Prosp ritual but felt nothing with me, which was perfectly okay and went through with it anyways. I'll just have to ask for someone else tonight that Satan might be able to send in his stead.

I keep a dream journal as well and notice the pattern of gloomy or dark themes such as overcast days, night and thick fog, anything that gives a sense of emptiness or 'creepiness' are things I find comfort in which may explain such a recurring thing; there is the occasional sunny dream of course.

Also I think I have some form of understanding about 'material' in the astral. You can forge it's matter into what you want, create as you wish, but anything that has it's own sentience or doesn't necessarily 'belong' to you is a lot more difficult to affect if at all and instead requires actual power from your soul - or at least that's what I'm speculating.

I'm also glad to hear that progress means hard work. There's a very strong sense of accomplishment as you build yourself up spiritually and all manner of effort isn't easy, as it shouldn't be. If I could reach godhood in a day, where's the satisfaction? There needs to be 'pain', there needs to be discipline and there needs to be struggle if one wants to climb to the top. I just wish more of our members knew this and saw it as a healthy challenge instead of an obstacle.
"Delight in what you create, and delight in what you destroy."
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Re: Lucid dreams and astral projection

Postby Abyssal » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:29 pm

Any runes that can help me achieve astral projection?
I tried many times to Astral project and half succeeded when I was half asleep.
I can't do any Astral work whatsoever, I believe because I was depressed all my life and like a trauma it blocked my Chakras and Astral senses.


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