https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Void_Meditation.html
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Trance.html
Okay to start this off as some might want to refresh themselves with re-reading what mindfulness/void and trance does. If you wish to know about me while from day one as I studied JoS, everyone mentioned void. I've always avoided it along with trance. I tried it out barely and got frustrated nothing occurred. So I missed out on a lot of years of void and trance training.
First, the webpages points to two distinct things trance(altered states) and void(mindfulness). Both can seamlessly combine while one controls, the other deepens the individual. In my studies of trance the ultimate level is reaching the energy body expansion or in other words ultimate alpha while sitting just above theta. Some dive into theta a more transcendental state. There are some that can dive into delta and even some whom can go further as scientist have proven even deeper levels of brainwaves.
Second, I am and have been aware that even if someone doesn't wish to perform power meditation and only rely on simple cleansing, protection, and perhaps breathing energy. Mindfulness and trance training are considered the MOST important. Even if the person avoids trance, they will eventually at least fall into one while in mindfulness. In other religions mindfulness and single-pointed concentration are pretty much the only meditations available that delve into meditation ignoring power systems like we do.
1. What exactly is the point of mindfulness? Is it to reach a blank state, thoughtless, no background, foreground, midground. No noises, voices, music, sounds.
2. When trying to perform mindfulness and or trance. Why do I feel this urge even if awoke, to just go to bed and lie down and sleep?
3. Same as number two except my body aches from sitting down it just a burden to maintain my body sitting up straight. I'm aware people have been taught to focus on sensations even focus on pain for mindfulness. So how can I meditate better if my body just aches from it?
4. Same as number three except why does my mind and body fight tooth and nail to try and get mindful or focus on trance?(I know this question is #1 most common)
5. Trance is through feeling and visualization but doesn't visualization ruin mindfulness? if both can be combined how can I avoid the visual from setting my mind off with thoughts.
6. It says in both pages breath in for 6, hold for 6, and release for 6. Isn't counting a problem it's working with the inner voice isn't that breaking mindfulness? (I will admit I have read some websites state mindfulness counting doesn't violate the principle of mindful at least in the early phases of using counting or later using by stating in and out for breathing in and breathing out. One is counting and one is a continuous pattern.)
7. I can't help but not visualize the ladder or other methods of visualization. Is that a problem?
8. Let's say I achieve mindfulness and trance. Would it be a danger to me? Lets say I'm driving wouldn't the drivers trance along with trance training cause me to fall deeper and be a danger? Should I be paranoid when it comes to driving or doing activities that require logical along with a tiny trance state to achieve things?
9. Like 8, if I achieve success how would I avoid falling into a trance too easily? It does state an adept can place themselves at will within a few seconds.
10. Final question since we are from various spiritual/religious spectrums. Are there any people here that delved into meditation before finding the JoS can became adepts at mindfulness and trance and when they found the JoS it helped them open them up to the more spiritual side of life. In other words those that came from meditation backgrounds how important was it to understand mindfulness and trance?
That last question #10, is kinda ironic in my opinion. Because not to sound disrespectful but I often read of people meditating and many sound so expert and so prominent in the field of meditation. That it begs the question how did you guys even conquer the mind and altered states so quickly. I mean there are people who spend years upon years maybe even a solid decade or more and still experience struggles with mindfulness. I mean what exactly make you guys such extraordinary meditators.
I consider myself a middlecore leaning towards softcore member. But some of you guys state things that makes me go. Goddamn these are some hardcore motherfuckers up in here.
I'd like to iterate for my Summer time period. I'd like to improve my mindfulness and trance states to become a better magician. So hopefully towards Summer's end, I'd gain the forthright to mindful and trance properly.
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Trance.html
Okay to start this off as some might want to refresh themselves with re-reading what mindfulness/void and trance does. If you wish to know about me while from day one as I studied JoS, everyone mentioned void. I've always avoided it along with trance. I tried it out barely and got frustrated nothing occurred. So I missed out on a lot of years of void and trance training.
First, the webpages points to two distinct things trance(altered states) and void(mindfulness). Both can seamlessly combine while one controls, the other deepens the individual. In my studies of trance the ultimate level is reaching the energy body expansion or in other words ultimate alpha while sitting just above theta. Some dive into theta a more transcendental state. There are some that can dive into delta and even some whom can go further as scientist have proven even deeper levels of brainwaves.
Second, I am and have been aware that even if someone doesn't wish to perform power meditation and only rely on simple cleansing, protection, and perhaps breathing energy. Mindfulness and trance training are considered the MOST important. Even if the person avoids trance, they will eventually at least fall into one while in mindfulness. In other religions mindfulness and single-pointed concentration are pretty much the only meditations available that delve into meditation ignoring power systems like we do.
1. What exactly is the point of mindfulness? Is it to reach a blank state, thoughtless, no background, foreground, midground. No noises, voices, music, sounds.
2. When trying to perform mindfulness and or trance. Why do I feel this urge even if awoke, to just go to bed and lie down and sleep?
3. Same as number two except my body aches from sitting down it just a burden to maintain my body sitting up straight. I'm aware people have been taught to focus on sensations even focus on pain for mindfulness. So how can I meditate better if my body just aches from it?
4. Same as number three except why does my mind and body fight tooth and nail to try and get mindful or focus on trance?(I know this question is #1 most common)
5. Trance is through feeling and visualization but doesn't visualization ruin mindfulness? if both can be combined how can I avoid the visual from setting my mind off with thoughts.
6. It says in both pages breath in for 6, hold for 6, and release for 6. Isn't counting a problem it's working with the inner voice isn't that breaking mindfulness? (I will admit I have read some websites state mindfulness counting doesn't violate the principle of mindful at least in the early phases of using counting or later using by stating in and out for breathing in and breathing out. One is counting and one is a continuous pattern.)
7. I can't help but not visualize the ladder or other methods of visualization. Is that a problem?
8. Let's say I achieve mindfulness and trance. Would it be a danger to me? Lets say I'm driving wouldn't the drivers trance along with trance training cause me to fall deeper and be a danger? Should I be paranoid when it comes to driving or doing activities that require logical along with a tiny trance state to achieve things?
9. Like 8, if I achieve success how would I avoid falling into a trance too easily? It does state an adept can place themselves at will within a few seconds.
10. Final question since we are from various spiritual/religious spectrums. Are there any people here that delved into meditation before finding the JoS can became adepts at mindfulness and trance and when they found the JoS it helped them open them up to the more spiritual side of life. In other words those that came from meditation backgrounds how important was it to understand mindfulness and trance?
That last question #10, is kinda ironic in my opinion. Because not to sound disrespectful but I often read of people meditating and many sound so expert and so prominent in the field of meditation. That it begs the question how did you guys even conquer the mind and altered states so quickly. I mean there are people who spend years upon years maybe even a solid decade or more and still experience struggles with mindfulness. I mean what exactly make you guys such extraordinary meditators.
I consider myself a middlecore leaning towards softcore member. But some of you guys state things that makes me go. Goddamn these are some hardcore motherfuckers up in here.
I'd like to iterate for my Summer time period. I'd like to improve my mindfulness and trance states to become a better magician. So hopefully towards Summer's end, I'd gain the forthright to mindful and trance properly.