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Germany Was Going To Win WW2 With Ease

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There is a widespread belief that Germany couldn't win the second world war, that the war against the Soviet Union was doomed from the start and so on... This is just another lie and BS propaganda, and as usually, the truth is exactly the opposite. The only reason for Germany's defeat in the second world war was the Wehrmacht generals and officers who not only conspired against Hitler, but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.

Of course, in the post-war history, both the Allies and the Soviets were unwilling to admit that they've won because of traitors in the German Army High Command. This just doesn't sound good for them. The story that they've won because of their heroism, great political leaders and genius military strategists was much more convenient.

There has been a lot of talk about the battle of Stalingrad, and other major defeats, if Germany could have won the Battle of Stalingrad etc. And the answer is yes. Stalingrad was lost because of betrayal and conspiracy. And not only Stalingrad, but nearly all major defeats, especially in the first years of the war. In Stalingrad, if the German high command would have made sure that Hitlers orders were executed, then the Soviet offensive would have been countered. Hitler ordered to reinforce the Don front with artillery and minefields. He ordered the 22nd panzer division and 113th Infantry Division to be placed behind the auxiliaries two months before the soviet offensive began. He also ordered the Luftwaffe to attack the bridges the Soviets were building on the Don crosses in preparation of the offensive as well as the troop build-ups hidden in the woods near the banks of the Don. None of these orders were executed. This couldn't possibly be a strategic mistake, or incompetence. The Junker Paulus was deliberately working for Germany's defeat. Probably even worse act of betrayal was done by General Walther von Seydlitz. He was part of the conspirators who were pushing the Germans to leave their defensive positions to break-out, to be destroyed by the awaiting Soviets. When it became clear that the Germany 6th Army was going to hold until the front would stabilize and counter offensives could be organized, he ordered the 100th, 71st and 295th Infantry Divisions to retreat under heavy protest of his officers from their well defensible positions with entrenched fortifications. After retreating these troops had to take positions in the open steppes while the Soviets took their positions in the trenches. He was relieved from command and fled to the Soviets before he could be court-marshaled but the harm was done.

However, the main reason Germany lost the war was not Stalingrad, or another major defeat, but that Hitler’s plan for Operation Barbarossa was ignored.

Hitler's plan was to focus the advance in South - to take the Caucasus and thus cut off the Soviet Union from it's oil, and North - to connect with Finland, to close of the Baltic Sea for the Soviets depriving them from their foreign aids, and to be able to provision nearly the whole German Army by sea in large quantities. In July 1941 (before the Battle of Smolensk) Hitler had demanded that Army Group Center would focus on defending their lines so that it could serve as strategic reserve for the main attacks in the South & North. But the German generals continued pushing for Moscow and thus they lost in Smolensk the troops and material they would need for the other objectives as well as over a month to deal with all resistance.

The Caucasus and Leningrad (the Baltic Sea) were not only much more important strategic objectives than Moscow, but also much weaker. In Smolensk the Soviet Union had built a new line of defense for Moscow, supported by 42 divisions, and by the end of September 1941, Stalin had grouped nearly half of the Soviet Army before Moscow... While in North and South the Soviet Union was totally unprepared for the German invasion in 1941, because Stalin was preparing for an offensive war... After pocketing 700.000 soviets in Kiev, the whole Soviet southern flank had virtually ceased to exist, it was totally depleted of reserves and worn out. Why on earth should they chose for a direct attack on Moscow, through Smolensk, when weaker and much more important strategic objectives were available? The Junker Generals didn't just oppose Hitler’s view, but the basic principle of the blitzkrieg (attack & break-trough at the weakest points and advance as fast & deep to pocket the enemy). This cannot be explained with incompetence, or strategic mistakes, these are deliberate acts of sabotage.

In 1941 the whole world was sure that Germany was going to win. The Nazis believed that the campaign against the Soviet Union would be over in three to four months. This is what was going to happen, if not for the traitors in the Wehrmacht that not only conspired against Hitler but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat. The allies would've been absolutely incapable of invading Germany, and the US would've been able to nuke Germany like they did Japan. Nazi Germany didn't lose WWII because they were outnumbered, because they took on too many enemies, or any military factor. The only reason they lost is that they were betrayed by a big list of Wehrmacht generals and officers that not only conspired against Hitler but directly and deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.
 
The generals at the end of the day answered to Hitler, and major decisions like attacking Moscow couldn't be taken without his approval, or against his orders, that would be treason.
i don't think winning the war was impossible, but it was unlikely in 1941, the Nazis had to win so much, so fast, without room for error, they were running out of time and resources, while the allies were growing stronger. By 1943, the allies could see the finish line, and all they had to do was wait out the storm.
 
What is more interesting is Arkhangelsk. If we know anything about the illegal nature of the U.S. and sometimes British assistance, lend lease program. An act of war by Geneva conventions. Then that in my personal opinion was the real target. Despite Arkhangelsk being noticeably North and away from Leningrad. The entire ordeal of Army group Nord was halted at Leningrad. In fact if you study some history the Soviets were scared shitless of losing Arkhangelsk, especially considering the amount of assistance America illegally provided. Both above ground and behind the scenes by JNWO personnel. Reminds me of reading one of the JoS affiliate anti-communist webpages, describing how the Jews had to send one of their own to command the Soviet Union as Stalin was a complete wreck shitting his pants for a holy miracle to come sweep away the evil Huns.

Leningrad to some mainstream historians they chalk it up to Hitler's gamble of wanting to demoralize the Soviets. If we take their precious named cities they collapse and realize the leaders are nothing but bunk. But I highly doubt Hitler would attack these places just to placate an honor victory. Even if he did just for shits and giggles what good would that help the Slavs, it would just mean they'd be massacred by skeleton crews of military personnel still within the Soviet cities, if they rose up in some sort of victory for them.

It's a shame everyone just states the same bullshit. I have a book on the offensives from the war. The author stated "If Hitler came as a liberator and not a conqueror he would have won". I'm sorry Mr.Historian did you somehow forget that MANY Slavs were fighting for Hitler and KNEW of liberation in National Socialism. Did you note Neo-Nazis, whom never studied the Aryanicity of Slavs, how they are their own White-Aryan race with sub-races of Whites within their Slavishness. And Hitler nor Himmler nor anyone of those times had any qualms with Slavs. I mean hell reminds me of the whole Cossack massacre and if we view German history back in the 1700-1800s many Germans went East to places like the Volga Germans. And despite a different sub-race of White and perhaps inclinations of Sub-race mixing. Non-the less they never felt like the Slavs around them were any less White. If anything Hitler was defending the White race from the already great evil Lenin and Stalin unleashed on the World.
 
Alexander said:
The generals at the end of the day answered to Hitler, and major decisions like attacking Moscow couldn't be taken without his approval, or against his orders, that would be treason.
i don't think winning the war was impossible, but it was unlikely in 1941, the Nazis had to win so much, so fast, without room for error, they were running out of time and resources, while the allies were growing stronger. By 1943, the allies could see the finish line, and all they had to do was wait out the storm.

Read the second part of my post again, and take a look military map eastern front from the first part of July 1941, before the Battle of Smolensk. Germany was running out of time and resources only because Hitler's plan was sabotaged. Operation Barbarossa involved an attack in three army groups - Army Groups North, Center, and South. Hitler's plan was to focus the advance in South to take the Caucasus and thus cut off the Soviet Union from it's oil, and North - to connect with Finland, to close of the Baltic Sea for the Soviets depriving them from their foreign aids, and to be able to provision nearly the whole German Army by sea in large quantities. Instead, the junker Generals did exactly the opposite - they focused the invasion in the Center to take Moscow, which was not only much more heavily defended than the Caucasus and Leningrad, but also had much lesser military strategic importance. Even if Germany captured Moscow, the Soviets wouldn't be defeated, not even close, but if they captured the Caucasus and the Baltic Sea the war would've been won.

Hitler's plan was Army Group Center to stop the advance after Minsk, he demanded to not attack Smolensk, but instead to focus on defending their lines so that it could serve as strategic reserve for the main attacks in the South & North, and to send reinforcements to army groups South and North. The Battle of Smolensk was a total waste of time, troops and material. This was the biggest mistake/betrayal during the war. If Hitler's plan was followed, and instead of attacking Smolensk, the advance was focused to the South, the encirclement of 700,000 Soviet troops in Kiev would have happened 1 month earlier, then Germany would have taken the Caucasus and Stalingrad before the autumn of 1941 and the war would be over.
 
Those Junkers traitors deserved the capital punishment for betraying in that crawling way their own people and our Fuhrer, totally disgusting, I was filled with rage at the thought of it.
 
DiscipleOfSatan said:
There is a widespread belief that Germany couldn't win the second world war, that the war against the Soviet Union was doomed from the start and so on... This is just another lie and BS propaganda, and as usually, the truth is exactly the opposite. The only reason for Germany's defeat in the second world war was the Wehrmacht generals and officers who not only conspired against Hitler, but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.

Of course, in the post-war history, both the Allies and the Soviets were unwilling to admit that they've won because of traitors in the German Army High Command. This just doesn't sound good for them. The story that they've won because of their heroism, great political leaders and genius military strategists was much more convenient.

There has been a lot of talk about the battle of Stalingrad, and other major defeats, if Germany could have won the Battle of Stalingrad etc. And the answer is yes. Stalingrad was lost because of betrayal and conspiracy. And not only Stalingrad, but nearly all major defeats, especially in the first years of the war. In Stalingrad, if the German high command would have made sure that Hitlers orders were executed, then the Soviet offensive would have been countered. Hitler ordered to reinforce the Don front with artillery and minefields. He ordered the 22nd panzer division and 113th Infantry Division to be placed behind the auxiliaries two months before the soviet offensive began. He also ordered the Luftwaffe to attack the bridges the Soviets were building on the Don crosses in preparation of the offensive as well as the troop build-ups hidden in the woods near the banks of the Don. None of these orders were executed. This couldn't possibly be a strategic mistake, or incompetence. The Junker Paulus was deliberately working for Germany's defeat. Probably even worse act of betrayal was done by General Walther von Seydlitz. He was part of the conspirators who were pushing the Germans to leave their defensive positions to break-out, to be destroyed by the awaiting Soviets. When it became clear that the Germany 6th Army was going to hold until the front would stabilize and counter offensives could be organized, he ordered the 100th, 71st and 295th Infantry Divisions to retreat under heavy protest of his officers from their well defensible positions with entrenched fortifications. After retreating these troops had to take positions in the open steppes while the Soviets took their positions in the trenches. He was relieved from command and fled to the Soviets before he could be court-marshaled but the harm was done.

However, the main reason Germany lost the war was not Stalingrad, or another major defeat, but that Hitler’s plan for Operation Barbarossa was ignored.

Hitler's plan was to focus the advance in South - to take the Caucasus and thus cut off the Soviet Union from it's oil, and North - to connect with Finland, to close of the Baltic Sea for the Soviets depriving them from their foreign aids, and to be able to provision nearly the whole German Army by sea in large quantities. In July 1941 (before the Battle of Smolensk) Hitler had demanded that Army Group Center would focus on defending their lines so that it could serve as strategic reserve for the main attacks in the South & North. But the German generals continued pushing for Moscow and thus they lost in Smolensk the troops and material they would need for the other objectives as well as over a month to deal with all resistance.

The Caucasus and Leningrad (the Baltic Sea) were not only much more important strategic objectives than Moscow, but also much weaker. In Smolensk the Soviet Union had built a new line of defense for Moscow, supported by 42 divisions, and by the end of September 1941, Stalin had grouped nearly half of the Soviet Army before Moscow... While in North and South the Soviet Union was totally unprepared for the German invasion in 1941, because Stalin was preparing for an offensive war... After pocketing 700.000 soviets in Kiev, the whole Soviet southern flank had virtually ceased to exist, it was totally depleted of reserves and worn out. Why on earth should they chose for a direct attack on Moscow, through Smolensk, when weaker and much more important strategic objectives were available? The Junker Generals didn't just oppose Hitler’s view, but the basic principle of the blitzkrieg (attack & break-trough at the weakest points and advance as fast & deep to pocket the enemy). This cannot be explained with incompetence, or strategic mistakes, these are deliberate acts of sabotage.

In 1941 the whole world was sure that Germany was going to win. The Nazis believed that the campaign against the Soviet Union would be over in three to four months. This is what was going to happen, if not for the traitors in the Wehrmacht that not only conspired against Hitler but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat. The allies would've been absolutely incapable of invading Germany, and the US would've been able to nuke Germany like they did Japan. Nazi Germany didn't lose WWII because they were outnumbered, because they took on too many enemies, or any military factor. The only reason they lost is that they were betrayed by a big list of Wehrmacht generals and officers that not only conspired against Hitler but directly and deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.
hail satan do u know what the fires of hell are for ??? Burning Jewish scum hail Hitler
 
In my humble opinion, there was hope, until USA entered the war. Then it was all more or less hopeless.


I have thought about this before, and I decided to not really think anymore, as we can do nothing but speculate. Past is past, and we shall not weep about past missed chances and lost battles. Concentrate at the present, so that we do not have discussion similar to this in the future. Let’s talk about “what if we lost” in the future, rather than “what if we won”.
 
Larissa666 said:
In my humble opinion, there was hope, until USA entered the war. Then it was all more or less hopeless.


I have thought about this before, and I decided to not really think anymore, as we can do nothing but speculate. Past is past, and we shall not weep about past missed chances and lost battles. Concentrate at the present, so that we do not have discussion similar to this in the future. Let’s talk about “what if we lost” in the future, rather than “what if we won”.
Germany had 80 million people at the time. Usa had 150 million. Historically with lines perfectly laid out on the Battlefield numbers like this do not decree the victorious nation ever. There are sermons in this forum going into detail on how Hitlers orders were sabotaged. Like the previous posts in this thread.
 
Larissa666 said:
In my humble opinion, there was hope, until USA entered the war. Then it was all more or less hopeless.

I have thought about this before, and I decided to not really think anymore, as we can do nothing but speculate. Past is past, and we shall not weep about past missed chances and lost battles. Concentrate at the present, so that we do not have discussion similar to this in the future. Let’s talk about “what if we lost” in the future, rather than “what if we won”.

My point was that, in the past I used to believe that there was no way Germany could have won, which was making me feel that they are stronger than us, that we are waging a war that can't be won, but must be fought. But when I studied the actual history, I found out that the truth is the opposite. Germany was going to win with ease. The only reason they lost is the traitors in the German Army High Command who deliberately worked against Hitler, and for Germany's defeat.

America's role in WW2 is extremely exaggerated, the only thing they did, and could do, that actually contributed to defeating Germany was the massive military and other aid the US provide to the Soviet Union. The so called Lend-Lease Act provided the Soviets with 400,000 jeeps (which were of vital importance for the soviets), 12,000 armoured vehicles, 11,400 aircrafts,1.75 million tons of food and so on. However, as I said, it was the sabotage of Hitler's plan for Operation Barbarossa by the traitors in the German Army High Command that lost the war, not America's entrance in the war, or their aid to the Soviet Union.

But if the war against the Soviet Union was won, which was going to happen in the autumn of 1941 if Hitler had loyal generals and his plan was followed - to focus the advance on the Caucasus instead of Moscow, then the US would've been absolutely incapable of doing anything.

Something that even mainstream contemporary historians admit is that both the USA and the Soviet's technological and military advancement after WW2 was only made possible because of the German scientists who have ended-up in American and Soviet hands after the war (Wernher von Braun is the perfect example) and all the technology, machinery, and patents they stole from Germany... Imagine if Germany had won the war, and all this remained in Germany, they would've been decades more advanced than the US and anyone else...

Not even talking about the German atomic weapon program, which was much further than most people believe in 1945 or the Horten stealth fighter, Germany already had jet airplanes, ground to air missiles against bombers, infrared night vision, the StG44 and Type XXI u-boats in mass production before the war had ended... Friedrich Georg in his book "Hitler's Miracle Weapons" even stated that the American atomic weapon only was made possible by technology stolen from the Germans at the end of the war (in particularly the fuses). He based himself mainly on the war diaries of the German OKW. By doing his research he has found sufficient leads for a full research on the development of atomic weapons in Germany and the conspiracy that prevented their use. I firmly believe that this is true, i doubt that Hitler's talk about Miracle Weapons at the end of the war was just propaganda, and giving false hopes to the Germans... There is even a theory that it was German atomic bombs that the Americans were able to loot in Thuringen that were dropped on Japan...
 
DiscipleOfSatan said:
Larissa666 said:
In my humble opinion, there was hope, until USA entered the war. Then it was all more or less hopeless.

I have thought about this before, and I decided to not really think anymore, as we can do nothing but speculate. Past is past, and we shall not weep about past missed chances and lost battles. Concentrate at the present, so that we do not have discussion similar to this in the future. Let’s talk about “what if we lost” in the future, rather than “what if we won”.
There is even a theory that it was German atomic bombs that the Americans were able to loot in Thuringen that were dropped on Japan...
Thanks you for this. Ive always doubted the jews being the brain behind nuclear warfare. And with their history of stealing, even Dr. William Pierce mentioned they simply took all the credit from gentile russian scientists such as Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, in the space program. They are that disingenious.
And then theres that jew Einstein , a known patent thief and an overall fraud.
I understant the conventional scientific method relies simply on gathering of resources and basic experimentation in controlled settings and that can be managed by a phuckin jew... but breakthroughs and such in the scientific field, history doesnt lie and its full of white men all over the books.
 
Thank you, very interesting topic!

I was always sad when I read in WW2 books that Germany lost in the end.
But I look forward to the future with curiosity and positivity. I trust my Spiritual Warfare, and Satan.
 
DiscipleOfSatan said:
The Junker Generals didn't just oppose Hitler’s view, but the basic principle of the blitzkrieg (attack & break-trough at the weakest points and advance as fast & deep to pocket the enemy). This cannot be explained with incompetence, or strategic mistakes, these are deliberate acts of sabotage.

In 1941 the whole world was sure that Germany was going to win. The Nazis believed that the campaign against the Soviet Union would be over in three to four months. This is what was going to happen, if not for the traitors in the Wehrmacht that not only conspired against Hitler but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.
Is totally scandalous than an entire planet could not be freed from jewish opression and enslavement because of a handful of generals that not only betrayed Germany, but they betrayed humanity and the Gods themselves. Their souls deserve to be eradicated from existence. If they did what they were supposed to do we would live in a totally different world now. Even with that the jews still didn't win the war overall because they haven't accomplished their goal of instating communism at least in the whole Europe.
 
DiscipleOfSatan said:
The Junker Generals didn't just oppose Hitler’s view, but the basic principle of the blitzkrieg (attack & break-trough at the weakest points and advance as fast & deep to pocket the enemy). This cannot be explained with incompetence, or strategic mistakes, these are deliberate acts of sabotage.

In 1941 the whole world was sure that Germany was going to win. The Nazis believed that the campaign against the Soviet Union would be over in three to four months. This is what was going to happen, if not for the traitors in the Wehrmacht that not only conspired against Hitler but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.
I think we ourselves can learn and apply the lessons of this event, and that is to not give even the smallest amount of power to anybody that has expressed the slightest sign of doubt or questionable trust.
 
DiscipleOfSatan said:
There is a widespread belief that Germany couldn't win the second world war, that the war against the Soviet Union was doomed from the start and so on... This is just another lie and BS propaganda, and as usually, the truth is exactly the opposite. The only reason for Germany's defeat in the second world war was the Wehrmacht generals and officers who not only conspired against Hitler, but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.

Of course, in the post-war history, both the Allies and the Soviets were unwilling to admit that they've won because of traitors in the German Army High Command. This just doesn't sound good for them. The story that they've won because of their heroism, great political leaders and genius military strategists was much more convenient.

There has been a lot of talk about the battle of Stalingrad, and other major defeats, if Germany could have won the Battle of Stalingrad etc. And the answer is yes. Stalingrad was lost because of betrayal and conspiracy. And not only Stalingrad, but nearly all major defeats, especially in the first years of the war. In Stalingrad, if the German high command would have made sure that Hitlers orders were executed, then the Soviet offensive would have been countered. Hitler ordered to reinforce the Don front with artillery and minefields. He ordered the 22nd panzer division and 113th Infantry Division to be placed behind the auxiliaries two months before the soviet offensive began. He also ordered the Luftwaffe to attack the bridges the Soviets were building on the Don crosses in preparation of the offensive as well as the troop build-ups hidden in the woods near the banks of the Don. None of these orders were executed. This couldn't possibly be a strategic mistake, or incompetence. The Junker Paulus was deliberately working for Germany's defeat. Probably even worse act of betrayal was done by General Walther von Seydlitz. He was part of the conspirators who were pushing the Germans to leave their defensive positions to break-out, to be destroyed by the awaiting Soviets. When it became clear that the Germany 6th Army was going to hold until the front would stabilize and counter offensives could be organized, he ordered the 100th, 71st and 295th Infantry Divisions to retreat under heavy protest of his officers from their well defensible positions with entrenched fortifications. After retreating these troops had to take positions in the open steppes while the Soviets took their positions in the trenches. He was relieved from command and fled to the Soviets before he could be court-marshaled but the harm was done.

However, the main reason Germany lost the war was not Stalingrad, or another major defeat, but that Hitler’s plan for Operation Barbarossa was ignored.

Hitler's plan was to focus the advance in South - to take the Caucasus and thus cut off the Soviet Union from it's oil, and North - to connect with Finland, to close of the Baltic Sea for the Soviets depriving them from their foreign aids, and to be able to provision nearly the whole German Army by sea in large quantities. In July 1941 (before the Battle of Smolensk) Hitler had demanded that Army Group Center would focus on defending their lines so that it could serve as strategic reserve for the main attacks in the South & North. But the German generals continued pushing for Moscow and thus they lost in Smolensk the troops and material they would need for the other objectives as well as over a month to deal with all resistance.

The Caucasus and Leningrad (the Baltic Sea) were not only much more important strategic objectives than Moscow, but also much weaker. In Smolensk the Soviet Union had built a new line of defense for Moscow, supported by 42 divisions, and by the end of September 1941, Stalin had grouped nearly half of the Soviet Army before Moscow... While in North and South the Soviet Union was totally unprepared for the German invasion in 1941, because Stalin was preparing for an offensive war... After pocketing 700.000 soviets in Kiev, the whole Soviet southern flank had virtually ceased to exist, it was totally depleted of reserves and worn out. Why on earth should they chose for a direct attack on Moscow, through Smolensk, when weaker and much more important strategic objectives were available? The Junker Generals didn't just oppose Hitler’s view, but the basic principle of the blitzkrieg (attack & break-trough at the weakest points and advance as fast & deep to pocket the enemy). This cannot be explained with incompetence, or strategic mistakes, these are deliberate acts of sabotage.

In 1941 the whole world was sure that Germany was going to win. The Nazis believed that the campaign against the Soviet Union would be over in three to four months. This is what was going to happen, if not for the traitors in the Wehrmacht that not only conspired against Hitler but deliberately worked for Germany's defeat. The allies would've been absolutely incapable of invading Germany, and the US would've been able to nuke Germany like they did Japan. Nazi Germany didn't lose WWII because they were outnumbered, because they took on too many enemies, or any military factor. The only reason they lost is that they were betrayed by a big list of Wehrmacht generals and officers that not only conspired against Hitler but directly and deliberately worked for Germany's defeat.

Where do you get this information from? I would like to dig in the real reasons why the war was lost, and you seem to have good sources.
 

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