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Opening Astral Senses

Postby Lydia » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:40 pm

Tomorrow (Sunday), waxing Moon in Pisces, and it is Fall Equinox. Good day to begin a daily working for astral senses.

The trick is to work on them every single day from now until indefinitely. If you miss a day, don't worry, do it the next day, even twice the next day. The energy is still there. Just don't give it a shot for a few days or weeks and then give up. The Gods want us to have our senses open, and having increased intuition will help your entire life in every way.

First of all, the Final RTR removes bindings and curses on us. It literally does neat things to the head, if you do it daily. We have been cursed and bound for centuries, this Final RTR is needed to fully open your astral senses.

Next up, runes. Thaur for 6th, Dagaz for 3rd. Do however many reps you are comfortable with, move up slowly when you feel ready. The soul is not a machine, we often need to stay at the same rep count for months and then suddenly we jump forwards and need to do much more. Pay attention to how you feel.

*If you haven't noticed the updates in the meditation section, it is now YAUM for 6th chakra.

Inanna and Isis are mantras to use as well, both are the same Goddess (Astarte aka Astaroth).

Pineal gland is mandatory for astral sight and hearing, it translates messages from the Gods into words we understand. GAUM is great, lie on your back and feel the area. The middle of your head below your Crown, and slightly down, back, and to the right. The 'G' sound really stimulates the pineal gland.

It is important to work on all of your chakras daily. The bottom 3 chakras are essential to working magick, and they power up the top 3 chakras. Do not neglect any of your chakras.

As well, color. I had noticeable results using Silver and an affirmation, even without vibration (I was experimenting). For those who don't want to risk using Silver since it's similar to Grey, use Indigo. Silver is shiny, glittery, luminescent. Grey is dull. Indigo is best for when you are working on your 6th chakra specifically of course. It's always good to breathe in the color of the chakra you are working on, and do the vibration on the exhale.

Colors: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html

So the best thing to do, is to combine vibration with color and state an affirmation at the end. Work on your chakras, inhale Silver or Indigo, do the vibration of your choice for however many reps you want, and then state something like "in positive and healthy ways for me, my astral senses are fully open, active, and developing" (this is just a basic generic affirmation, change it as you see fit).

Make sure to work on your 6th, Crown, 3rd eye, Throat (rules psychic hearing), and minor chakras in the head. Usually just light works for the minor chakras, but it had been recommended by another SS to vibrate Inanna and feel it in all the chakras in the head. You can break this up throughout your day, such as working on your chakras in the morning, and then vibrate Inanna's name at night, followed by using Silver or Indigo energy and the affirmation.

After you work on your astral senses, trance. Working on them should put you into a light trance, stay there and deepen it if you can, for at least a few minutes. You can state your affirmation again once or twice at the end of your trance, and state it more times throughout the day, like after yoga.

Links, for those who are unfamiliar with the JoS meditation page:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... uning.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... nters.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... oints.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Odin.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby luis » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:38 pm

Lydia wrote:...but it had been recommended by another SS to vibrate Inanna and feel it in all the chakras in the head.

This is the working by the other SS https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=800&hilit=Inanna

I may start to do something tomorrow even if i'm busy with other spells, i may do less reps and then up them when i can.

Lydia what do you think about using the Jupiter square to open the astral sense's?
I may use the mantra of water Yalaum too for the working of tomorrow, using the water element for who can would help a lot.

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Postby Dypet Rod » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:43 pm

So this confirms what I concluded when I checked the calendar and saw there will be both the Spring Equinox today and a Full Moon just two days later and at the same time. That this is a good period for opening the astral senses. Thank you for all the info, Lydia.

I'm currently redoing the awakening exercises, and have been working on opening my third eye for a little over one week now. I've been experimenting with different tones and octaves. E4 in falsetto seems to be really effective to hit right in the third eye, but I also vibrate it in lower octaves every session. I've also been doing visualization exercises.

In the early hours of Thursday before sleeping, I started to feel a pulsing sensation in the middle of my forehead. I started to concentrate on it, and within some seconds, this pulsing sensation started to slowly spin around my forehead, and started to feel like a small vortex/whirlwind across my head, with its wide end on my forehead and its narrow end in the back of my head, slowly and strongly spinning on its own. This went on for some minutes. That was the strongest I ever felt my third eye manifest.

Due to an experience I had when I was new, when my astral hearing unexpectedly opened on its own (which lasted for just a short time), I felt just a bit worried about what I could possibly see in the astral in the dark of my bedroom when I experienced the above, so I asked Father Satan to allow my first experiences with astral vision to be calm and positive ones.

I haven't had any "blatant" visions yet, aside from faintly seeing flashes of pairs of eyes for some seconds when doing a specific visualization exercise. These are usually female eyes, and there is a specific pair of female eyes I've been seeing quite often, which kind of resemble the eyes on this picture, expect that the eyebrows are a little longer:

https://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl ... t=c&ictx=1

Do you know if there is a Demoness whose eyes look like that?

Lydia wrote:Tomorrow (Sunday), waxing Moon in Pisces, and it is Fall Equinox. Good day to begin a daily working for astral senses.

The trick is to work on them every single day from now until indefinitely. If you miss a day, don't worry, do it the next day, even twice the next day. The energy is still there. Just don't give it a shot for a few days or weeks and then give up. The Gods want us to have our senses open, and having increased intuition will help your entire life in every way.

First of all, the Final RTR removes bindings and curses on us. It literally does neat things to the head, if you do it daily. We have been cursed and bound for centuries, this Final RTR is needed to fully open your astral senses.

Next up, runes. Thaur for 6th, Dagaz for 3rd. Do however many reps you are comfortable with, move up slowly when you feel ready. The soul is not a machine, we often need to stay at the same rep count for months and then suddenly we jump forwards and need to do much more. Pay attention to how you feel.

*If you haven't noticed the updates in the meditation section, it is now YAUM for 6th chakra.

Inanna and Isis are mantras to use as well, both are the same Goddess (Astarte aka Astaroth).

Pineal gland is mandatory for astral sight and hearing, it translates messages from the Gods into words we understand. GAUM is great, lie on your back and feel the area. The middle of your head below your Crown, and slightly down, back, and to the right. The 'G' sound really stimulates the pineal gland.

It is important to work on all of your chakras daily. The bottom 3 chakras are essential to working magick, and they power up the top 3 chakras. Do not neglect any of your chakras.

As well, color. I had noticeable results using Silver and an affirmation, even without vibration (I was experimenting). For those who don't want to risk using Silver since it's similar to Grey, use Indigo. Silver is shiny, glittery, luminescent. Grey is dull. Indigo is best for when you are working on your 6th chakra specifically of course. It's always good to breathe in the color of the chakra you are working on, and do the vibration on the exhale.

Colors: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html

So the best thing to do, is to combine vibration with color and state an affirmation at the end. Work on your chakras, inhale Silver or Indigo, do the vibration of your choice for however many reps you want, and then state something like "in positive and healthy ways for me, my astral senses are fully open, active, and developing" (this is just a basic generic affirmation, change it as you see fit).

Make sure to work on your 6th, Crown, 3rd eye, Throat (rules psychic hearing), and minor chakras in the head. Usually just light works for the minor chakras, but it had been recommended by another SS to vibrate Inanna and feel it in all the chakras in the head. You can break this up throughout your day, such as working on your chakras in the morning, and then vibrate Inanna's name at night, followed by using Silver or Indigo energy and the affirmation.

After you work on your astral senses, trance. Working on them should put you into a light trance, stay there and deepen it if you can, for at least a few minutes. You can state your affirmation again once or twice at the end of your trance, and state it more times throughout the day, like after yoga.

Links, for those who are unfamiliar with the JoS meditation page:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... uning.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... nters.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... oints.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Odin.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Jack The GOOD guy » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:02 pm

I can see flashes of light but I can't see images or hear things. Its gotten much better with regular meditation and rtrs. I have had increased insight and concentration, awareness about things, and increased knowledge about various things.

So I guess Yaum for the 6th chakra, Dagaz for the Third eye and Gaum for the pineal gland at morning and Inana in the night ? Or Thoth would be better in this combination rather than Dagaz ?
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Lydia » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:36 pm

Thank you for including that link Luis :)

Jupiter rules Crown and pineal gland, and spirituality, so it can help as well.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Lydia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:01 am

Jack The GOOD guy wrote:So I guess Yaum for the 6th chakra, Dagaz for the Third eye and Gaum for the pineal gland at morning and Inana in the night ? Or Thoth would be better in this combination rather than Dagaz ?


I wrote my post in a bit of a hurry and missed some. Thoth and Thaum are also for the 3rd eye. I do the AUMs for main chakra meditation, and runes for additional workings on chakras. Do whichever feels best for you :)
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Tala » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:56 pm

Lydia thanks for posting this I found it really helpful!

There's one thing about the Innana working Luis posted I'd like a second opinion on. I tried it and the whole thing was very powerful, however during the part to vibrate Innanna into the chakras it's impossible for me to visualize them all clearly at the same time.

I decided to try cycling through them seperately and I found I could focus on them more clearly. I did some rounds seperate and some rounds where it was pretty much a vague amorphous glow due to so many chakra points.

I will probably keep them seperate but I was curious if anyone felt differently about that part if the meditation?

luis wrote:
Lydia wrote:...but it had been recommended by another SS to vibrate Inanna and feel it in all the chakras in the head.

This is the working by the other SS https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=800&hilit=Inanna

I may start to do something tomorrow even if i'm busy with other spells, i may do less reps and then up them when i can.

Lydia what do you think about using the Jupiter square to open the astral sense's?
I may use the mantra of water Yalaum too for the working of tomorrow, using the water element for who can would help a lot.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby luis » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:39 pm

Tala wrote:Lydia thanks for posting this I found it really helpful!

There's one thing about the Innana working Luis posted I'd like a second opinion on. I tried it and the whole thing was very powerful, however during the part to vibrate Innanna into the chakras it's impossible for me to visualize them all clearly at the same time.

I decided to try cycling through them seperately and I found I could focus on them more clearly. I did some rounds seperate and some rounds where it was pretty much a vague amorphous glow due to so many chakra points.

I will probably keep them seperate but I was curious if anyone felt differently about that part if the meditation?

luis wrote:
Lydia wrote:...but it had been recommended by another SS to vibrate Inanna and feel it in all the chakras in the head.

This is the working by the other SS https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=800&hilit=Inanna

I may start to do something tomorrow even if i'm busy with other spells, i may do less reps and then up them when i can.

Lydia what do you think about using the Jupiter square to open the astral sense's?
I may use the mantra of water Yalaum too for the working of tomorrow, using the water element for who can would help a lot.

I do it in a different way than the one i linked but i still the part that you talked about. Honestly i do as you do but i don't vibrare one in a chakra, one in another and so on but i just visualize them i circle as quick as i can.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby hailourtruegod » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:22 pm

I posted a reply in the Yahoo groups but idk if it got thru so I'll post here just in case.


I've been working on my Astral Senses everyday for several months now. I was steadily advancing for sure but once we started doing the Final RTR everyday there has been a noticeable boost. It's daily that I tend to hear random noises a couple times a day or see little sparks a few times a day.

I have a question tho, where are you guys seeing the update for the 6th chakra because for me it still says it's THAUM.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby luis » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:06 am

hailourtruegod wrote:I posted a reply in the Yahoo groups but idk if it got thru so I'll post here just in case.


I've been working on my Astral Senses everyday for several months now. I was steadily advancing for sure but once we started doing the Final RTR everyday there has been a noticeable boost. It's daily that I tend to hear random noises a couple times a day or see little sparks a few times a day.

I have a question tho, where are you guys seeing the update for the 6th chakra because for me it still says it's THAUM.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html

Here http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Tuning.html
And in the opening chakras page.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Tala » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:27 am

Thanks for the feedback.This working is pretty adaptable. I think one could alter the color breathed into the chakras to silver or indigo for 6th violet for crown etc. The affirmation section could also be shortened a bit. The author said it took them 15 minutes but I think it took a lot longer. It could also be shortened with less reps.

luis wrote:
Tala wrote:Lydia thanks for posting this I found it really helpful!

There's one thing about the Innana working Luis posted I'd like a second opinion on. I tried it and the whole thing was very powerful, however during the part to vibrate Innanna into the chakras it's impossible for me to visualize them all clearly at the same time.

I decided to try cycling through them seperately and I found I could focus on them more clearly. I did some rounds seperate and some rounds where it was pretty much a vague amorphous glow due to so many chakra points.

I will probably keep them seperate but I was curious if anyone felt differently about that part if the meditation?

luis wrote:This is the working by the other SS https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=800&hilit=Inanna

I may start to do something tomorrow even if i'm busy with other spells, i may do less reps and then up them when i can.

Lydia what do you think about using the Jupiter square to open the astral sense's?
I may use the mantra of water Yalaum too for the working of tomorrow, using the water element for who can would help a lot.

I do it in a different way than the one i linked but i still the part that you talked about. Honestly i do as you do but i don't vibrare one in a chakra, one in another and so on but i just visualize them i circle as quick as i can.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby luis » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:38 am

Tala wrote:Thanks for the feedback.This working is pretty adaptable. I think one could alter the color breathed into the chakras to silver or indigo for 6th violet for crown etc. The affirmation section could also be shortened a bit. The author said it took them 15 minutes but I think it took a lot longer. It could also be shortened with less reps.

luis wrote:
Tala wrote:Lydia thanks for posting this I found it really helpful!

There's one thing about the Innana working Luis posted I'd like a second opinion on. I tried it and the whole thing was very powerful, however during the part to vibrate Innanna into the chakras it's impossible for me to visualize them all clearly at the same time.

I decided to try cycling through them seperately and I found I could focus on them more clearly. I did some rounds seperate and some rounds where it was pretty much a vague amorphous glow due to so many chakra points.

I will probably keep them seperate but I was curious if anyone felt differently about that part if the meditation?


I do it in a different way than the one i linked but i still the part that you talked about. Honestly i do as you do but i don't vibrare one in a chakra, one in another and so on but i just visualize them i circle as quick as i can.

I do 3 different mantra's Ialaum (the mantra of water) Inanna and Isis, all for 8 reps, i know it's too short but only for now because i have to do other spells so i'm keeping this short for a while. The more reps the less time it will take to open your astral sense's, if you can use the elements putting the mantra of water and the Akasha will make everything more powerful.

When Jupiter is not retrograde i will use the square to open my Astral sense's, i think it will be a lot powerful with it.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Stormblood » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:41 pm

I suggest also to pair stimulation of the senses (the mantras) with appropriate training exercises where you use the senses, such as the visualization and sense training exercises available in the Spiritual Warfare Training program.
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Postby Personal Growth » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:33 pm

I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby hailourtruegod » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:55 pm

luis wrote:
hailourtruegod wrote:I posted a reply in the Yahoo groups but idk if it got thru so I'll post here just in case.


I've been working on my Astral Senses everyday for several months now. I was steadily advancing for sure but once we started doing the Final RTR everyday there has been a noticeable boost. It's daily that I tend to hear random noises a couple times a day or see little sparks a few times a day.

I have a question tho, where are you guys seeing the update for the 6th chakra because for me it still says it's THAUM.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html

Here http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Tuning.html
And in the opening chakras page.



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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby ASQV13886662080 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:24 pm

Lydia wrote:Tomorrow (Sunday), waxing Moon in Pisces, and it is Fall Equinox. Good day to begin a daily working for astral senses.

The trick is to work on them every single day from now until indefinitely. If you miss a day, don't worry, do it the next day, even twice the next day. The energy is still there. Just don't give it a shot for a few days or weeks and then give up. The Gods want us to have our senses open, and having increased intuition will help your entire life in every way.

First of all, the Final RTR removes bindings and curses on us. It literally does neat things to the head, if you do it daily. We have been cursed and bound for centuries, this Final RTR is needed to fully open your astral senses.

Next up, runes. Thaur for 6th, Dagaz for 3rd. Do however many reps you are comfortable with, move up slowly when you feel ready. The soul is not a machine, we often need to stay at the same rep count for months and then suddenly we jump forwards and need to do much more. Pay attention to how you feel.

*If you haven't noticed the updates in the meditation section, it is now YAUM for 6th chakra.

Inanna and Isis are mantras to use as well, both are the same Goddess (Astarte aka Astaroth).

Pineal gland is mandatory for astral sight and hearing, it translates messages from the Gods into words we understand. GAUM is great, lie on your back and feel the area. The middle of your head below your Crown, and slightly down, back, and to the right. The 'G' sound really stimulates the pineal gland.

It is important to work on all of your chakras daily. The bottom 3 chakras are essential to working magick, and they power up the top 3 chakras. Do not neglect any of your chakras.

As well, color. I had noticeable results using Silver and an affirmation, even without vibration (I was experimenting). For those who don't want to risk using Silver since it's similar to Grey, use Indigo. Silver is shiny, glittery, luminescent. Grey is dull. Indigo is best for when you are working on your 6th chakra specifically of course. It's always good to breathe in the color of the chakra you are working on, and do the vibration on the exhale.

Colors: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html

So the best thing to do, is to combine vibration with color and state an affirmation at the end. Work on your chakras, inhale Silver or Indigo, do the vibration of your choice for however many reps you want, and then state something like "in positive and healthy ways for me, my astral senses are fully open, active, and developing" (this is just a basic generic affirmation, change it as you see fit).

Make sure to work on your 6th, Crown, 3rd eye, Throat (rules psychic hearing), and minor chakras in the head. Usually just light works for the minor chakras, but it had been recommended by another SS to vibrate Inanna and feel it in all the chakras in the head. You can break this up throughout your day, such as working on your chakras in the morning, and then vibrate Inanna's name at night, followed by using Silver or Indigo energy and the affirmation.

After you work on your astral senses, trance. Working on them should put you into a light trance, stay there and deepen it if you can, for at least a few minutes. You can state your affirmation again once or twice at the end of your trance, and state it more times throughout the day, like after yoga.

Links, for those who are unfamiliar with the JoS meditation page:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Color.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... uning.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... nters.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... oints.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Odin.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html


Thank you Lydia, this was excellent timing as recently Ive been taking the initial steps to opening up the receptive portion of the soul a lot more seriously.

Now, Im still going to begin working thoroughly on my EYE tonight as the Moon is nearly full and it is Monday so I can do this on the hour of the moon.

But what I wanted to ask you is, seeing as I missed the Moon in Pisces, and it is just barely in Aries which also rules the head in and blood flow/vital force parallel with the EYE and other receptive chakras around there ruling the sinus vital points, do you think it will still be quite as potent in opening these up despite the different energy signature?

Im confident in the ability to use this kind of energy, its just that the Equinox is at the end and the Moon is no longer in Pisces.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Tala » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:22 am

Interesting. I like the idea of using 3 mantras. I couldn't find the water mantra listed anywhere. Could you show where that's from?

I think I will try using akasha too eventually. I did find a link for that, it's called quintessence in the description.
http://web.archive.org/web/201509182002 ... sence.html

I agree on the Jupiter square. I will be doing that one as well and a prosperity one later (not on the same times of course)


luis wrote:
Tala wrote:Thanks for the feedback.This working is pretty adaptable. I think one could alter the color breathed into the chakras to silver or indigo for 6th violet for crown etc. The affirmation section could also be shortened a bit. The author said it took them 15 minutes but I think it took a lot longer. It could also be shortened with less reps.

luis wrote:I do it in a different way than the one i linked but i still the part that you talked about. Honestly i do as you do but i don't vibrare one in a chakra, one in another and so on but i just visualize them i circle as quick as i can.

I do 3 different mantra's Ialaum (the mantra of water) Inanna and Isis, all for 8 reps, i know it's too short but only for now because i have to do other spells so i'm keeping this short for a while. The more reps the less time it will take to open your astral sense's, if you can use the elements putting the mantra of water and the Akasha will make everything more powerful.

When Jupiter is not retrograde i will use the square to open my Astral sense's, i think it will be a lot powerful with it.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Tala » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:42 am

I don't think it would be as effective for most people and it's mentioned several times that vibration is important.

Is there a reason you don't use the vibrations given?
The hand mudras help but those aren't necessary.

Personal Growth wrote:I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.

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Postby HailMotherLilith » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:34 pm

Personal Growth wrote:I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.



No, you cannot. Just like you can't on visualising on cleaning your aura or building an Aura of Protection just by visualising. You need to use mantras and affirmations, otherwise there is no base and no firm stance in building anything...
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Postby Lydia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:26 pm

HailMotherLilith wrote:
Personal Growth wrote:I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.


No, you cannot. Just like you can't on visualising on cleaning your aura or building an Aura of Protection just by visualising. You need to use mantras and affirmations, otherwise there is no base and no firm stance in building anything...


Tbh I only use visualization for cleaning, but I've been cleaning aura/chakras for over 15 years so I've removed a ton of build-up. I also did vibrations for cleaning a lot in the past, but for this past while I only do visualization and I am squeaky clean. My visualization is very good, I am actually as bright as the sun when I do it, my physical eyes almost squint from the brightness. It's not just visualization though, it's energy direction as well.

@PersonalGrowth, if you don't do vibrations for working on your chakras/etc, you will only get minimal benefits and never advance more. And you won't actually open them, open the seals. Vibration is mandatory. Why don't you try it, do you have problems with your throat?
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Postby HailMotherLilith » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:34 pm

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HailMotherLilith wrote:
Personal Growth wrote:I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.


No, you cannot. Just like you can't on visualising on cleaning your aura or building an Aura of Protection just by visualising. You need to use mantras and affirmations, otherwise there is no base and no firm stance in building anything...


Tbh I only use visualization for cleaning, but I've been cleaning aura/chakras for over 15 years so I've removed a ton of build-up. I also did vibrations for cleaning a lot in the past, but for this past while I only do visualization and I am squeaky clean. My visualization is very good, I am actually as bright as the sun when I do it, my physical eyes almost squint from the brightness. It's not just visualization though, it's energy direction as well.

@PersonalGrowth, if you don't do vibrations for working on your chakras/etc, you will only get minimal benefits and never advance more. And you won't actually open them, open the seals. Vibration is mandatory. Why don't you try it, do you have problems with your throat?



Oh okay, thank you for the clarification Lydia :)
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Postby luis » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:33 pm

Tala wrote:Interesting. I like the idea of using 3 mantras. I couldn't find the water mantra listed anywhere. Could you show where that's from?

I think I will try using akasha too eventually. I did find a link for that, it's called quintessence in the description.
http://web.archive.org/web/201509182002 ... sence.html

I agree on the Jupiter square. I will be doing that one as well and a prosperity one later (not on the same times of course)


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Tala wrote:Thanks for the feedback.This working is pretty adaptable. I think one could alter the color breathed into the chakras to silver or indigo for 6th violet for crown etc. The affirmation section could also be shortened a bit. The author said it took them 15 minutes but I think it took a lot longer. It could also be shortened with less reps.


I do 3 different mantra's Ialaum (the mantra of water) Inanna and Isis, all for 8 reps, i know it's too short but only for now because i have to do other spells so i'm keeping this short for a while. The more reps the less time it will take to open your astral sense's, if you can use the elements putting the mantra of water and the Akasha will make everything more powerful.

When Jupiter is not retrograde i will use the square to open my Astral sense's, i think it will be a lot powerful with it.

Here is the link http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Advanced_Consecration.html
It's actualy Yalaum.

I directily vibrate the world Akasha for whatever reps to invoke it, just like you could vibrate the word Agni for Fire, there are many words in sanskrit that means the same thing and you can vibrate them.

Honestly there is so many things that i want to do with the Jupiter square that i don't even know where to start lol.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Dypet Rod » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:45 pm

Lydia wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:
Personal Growth wrote:I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.


No, you cannot. Just like you can't on visualising on cleaning your aura or building an Aura of Protection just by visualising. You need to use mantras and affirmations, otherwise there is no base and no firm stance in building anything...


Tbh I only use visualization for cleaning, but I've been cleaning aura/chakras for over 15 years so I've removed a ton of build-up. I also did vibrations for cleaning a lot in the past, but for this past while I only do visualization and I am squeaky clean. My visualization is very good, I am actually as bright as the sun when I do it, my physical eyes almost squint from the brightness. It's not just visualization though, it's energy direction as well.

@PersonalGrowth, if you don't do vibrations for working on your chakras/etc, you will only get minimal benefits and never advance more. And you won't actually open them, open the seals. Vibration is mandatory. Why don't you try it, do you have problems with your throat?


That's what I was gonna say. It's true that using vibration is more effective, especially for a heavier cleaning when needed, but the instructions for the basic everyday aura cleaning (like brushing your teeth everyday) on the JoS include only visualization.

Visualizing the chakras can stimulate them to some point, as energy is directed to where the mind is focused, but nothing stimulates the chakras more than vibrations. Opening your chakras with just visualization probably only works if they are already awakened.
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Postby Personal Growth » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:51 pm

Thank you Tala, HailMotherLilith and Lydia for replying.

I've got it and will use the vibrations. Didn't realise I couldn't just clean my aura without doing vibrations. Have been doing Maxine's energy ball of light descending and removing and then the aop affirmations.

Thank you once again for the help and I will be sure to implement vibrations into my meditation sessions.

And to answer your question of why I haven't been doing vibrations with my chakra meditations.

There's nothing wrong with my throat.

And I work long hours and shifts and I always do the final RTR as a daily priority. But when it's very early in the morning or very late at night and it's dead quiet. I worry about the neighbors because sound travels so much around my apartment block.

And lastly I like to lie down in the semi supine position which is from the Alexander Technique to stretch my back out.

And you cannot hold hand mudras or do vibrations lying down on your back on the floor.

I will have to sit down with a straight back and get it done in future.

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Postby Lydia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:18 pm

@PersonalGrowth- I make myself comfy on my bed or couch to do vibrations, with pillows behind me, so you don't necessarily need to sit in a chair. And I don't use vibrations for cleaning as I mentioned, but definitely for working on my chakras.

I do understand about not wanting people to hear you (not sure why I thought of throat problems instead of sound issues, lol), but vibrations can be done fairly quietly, just make sure you're not right next to an open window.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby luis » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:42 pm

Lydia wrote:@PersonalGrowth- I make myself comfy on my bed or couch to do vibrations, with pillows behind me, so you don't necessarily need to sit in a chair. And I don't use vibrations for cleaning as I mentioned, but definitely for working on my chakras.

I do understand about not wanting people to hear you (not sure why I thought of throat problems instead of sound issues, lol), but vibrations can be done fairly quietly, just make sure you're not right next to an open window.

I do meditations on my bed too and i close the door and my window, i live in an appartament too and i try my best to not scream when i use vibration but sometime you can kind hear me :( what i have learned is to put some music not even that high just enough to cover a the sound a bit, for other people is more normal to hear music than mantra...

I definitily wish i didn't live in an apartament but in Italy especially if you don't have that much money this is normal, the only people that i've seen that don't live in an appartament are the ones that have a lot of money.

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Thunder » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:00 pm

Lydia wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:
Personal Growth wrote:I like to meditate on my chakras just by visualising them. I think it's been said there are different ways to stimulate your chakras and that energy flows where attention goes.

So I don't do the vibrations or hand mudras. But do the energy absorption, brightening and spinning vortexes with the relevant colours.

I know it's best to do the vibrations and hand mudras but please tell me I can still open my chakras just with visualisation. And the corresponding affirmations.


No, you cannot. Just like you can't on visualising on cleaning your aura or building an Aura of Protection just by visualising. You need to use mantras and affirmations, otherwise there is no base and no firm stance in building anything...


Tbh I only use visualization for cleaning, but I've been cleaning aura/chakras for over 15 years so I've removed a ton of build-up. I also did vibrations for cleaning a lot in the past, but for this past while I only do visualization and I am squeaky clean. My visualization is very good, I am actually as bright as the sun when I do it, my physical eyes almost squint from the brightness. It's not just visualization though, it's energy direction as well.

@PersonalGrowth, if you don't do vibrations for working on your chakras/etc, you will only get minimal benefits and never advance more. And you won't actually open them, open the seals. Vibration is mandatory. Why don't you try it, do you have problems with your throat?


Lydia, talking about cleaning, is it possible and effective to use Munka on a chakra to clean it from negative karmic energies?
I tried it today on my 6th, it looks like it works well. I ask to be sure that it will bring results (don't want to waste my time lol) and, would that count as a working?

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Dypet Rod » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:23 pm

I'll use this space to make a related question, instead of creating a new topic. Anyone's answers are welcome, not just Lydia's.

I suspect that I may have a blockage on my third eye, as I have now been experiencing a sensation as if there is something heavy on my forehead. Something as heavy as a small piece of natural magnet. Yesterday (when this started), I even felt a headache along with this.

I'm still doing the opening exercise everyday (because I want to make sure I won't lose any progress before I stop doing it) and it's been effective for me so far, as I've been feeling pressure on my forehead all the time ever since I experienced what I mentioned in my first message here.

At this point I don't even need to focus on my third eye in order to feel anything there. The only time I don't feel anything at all on my forehead is in the first few minutes after waking up. Then once I'm awake and get up, the pressure sensation on my forehead naturally kicks in within a few minutes. It's like my third eye sleeps along with the rest of my body and then awakes along, too.

But now since yesterday, I suspect of this possible blockage. I may try vibrating Thurisaz 27x on it and see what I feel.

But what if my suspicion is wrong and that's not a blockage after all? Is there anything bad that can result from vibrating Thurizas on my third eye without there being any blockage on it? That's my question.
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Postby Dypet Rod » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:29 pm

Also, that pressure sensation spreads to the top part of my nose.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Lydia » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:05 am

Thunder wrote:Lydia, talking about cleaning, is it possible and effective to use Munka on a chakra to clean it from negative karmic energies?
I tried it today on my 6th, it looks like it works well. I ask to be sure that it will bring results (don't want to waste my time lol) and, would that count as a working?


I actually recently did this with Ansuz through all my chakras and had good results it felt like my chakras could be empowered more now that they are more free :) And I was considering doing it with Munka after reading a comment from Mageson about how Munka is the destroyer of karma, great minds think alike ;)

As for it counting as a working, if you mean can you do other workings without the energy being diluted, yes you should be fine. But if you mean should you do it for 40 days, yes to this as well. Even 9 or 18 days should be effective, I got this after reading what Maxine wrote about how the cleaning for the RTR will have permanent results after 9 days.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Jack The GOOD guy » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:43 am

Stormblood wrote:I suggest also to pair stimulation of the senses (the mantras) with appropriate training exercises where you use the senses, such as the visualization and sense training exercises available in the Spiritual Warfare Training program.


I sense you're an exceptionally experienced and powerful member. If you're on telegram contact me on @sinnerultimate . Do you recommend to keep doing the different concentration /visualization exercises after the 6 months or its a one shot deal ? Are there some of your favorite exercises that you personally like keep doing ?
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Postby Stormblood » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:48 am

Mantras and mudras are two of the eight steps of Eightfold Path. None of them is strictly necessary but the more of them you do, the faster you progress. So, let's not start urban legends about how mantras are mandatory while mudras are unnecessary, and that visualisation alone is ineffective. All are different pieces of the puzzle.
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Postby Tala » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:21 am

Thanks! I didn't think to look there.

I feel the same way with the Jupiter square, lol. Going by the calendar I think we have 3 days to start a jupiter square consecutively this year. 11/8, 11/29, & 12/20.

Something I just realized though is that Jupiter is in Sagittarius until Dec 2019. So we could keep going with squares till then right? :o

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Tala wrote:Interesting. I like the idea of using 3 mantras. I couldn't find the water mantra listed anywhere. Could you show where that's from?

I think I will try using akasha too eventually. I did find a link for that, it's called quintessence in the description.
http://web.archive.org/web/201509182002 ... sence.html

I agree on the Jupiter square. I will be doing that one as well and a prosperity one later (not on the same times of course)


luis wrote:I do 3 different mantra's Ialaum (the mantra of water) Inanna and Isis, all for 8 reps, i know it's too short but only for now because i have to do other spells so i'm keeping this short for a while. The more reps the less time it will take to open your astral sense's, if you can use the elements putting the mantra of water and the Akasha will make everything more powerful.

When Jupiter is not retrograde i will use the square to open my Astral sense's, i think it will be a lot powerful with it.

Here is the link http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Advanced_Consecration.html
It's actualy Yalaum.

I directily vibrate the world Akasha for whatever reps to invoke it, just like you could vibrate the word Agni for Fire, there are many words in sanskrit that means the same thing and you can vibrate them.

Honestly there is so many things that i want to do with the Jupiter square that i don't even know where to start lol.

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Postby luis » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:35 pm

Tala wrote:Thanks! I didn't think to look there.

I feel the same way with the Jupiter square, lol. Going by the calendar I think we have 3 days to start a jupiter square consecutively this year. 11/8, 11/29, & 12/20.

Something I just realized though is that Jupiter is in Sagittarius until Dec 2019. So we could keep going with squares till then right? :o

luis wrote:
Tala wrote:Interesting. I like the idea of using 3 mantras. I couldn't find the water mantra listed anywhere. Could you show where that's from?

I think I will try using akasha too eventually. I did find a link for that, it's called quintessence in the description.
http://web.archive.org/web/201509182002 ... sence.html

I agree on the Jupiter square. I will be doing that one as well and a prosperity one later (not on the same times of course)



Here is the link http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Advanced_Consecration.html
It's actualy Yalaum.

I directily vibrate the world Akasha for whatever reps to invoke it, just like you could vibrate the word Agni for Fire, there are many words in sanskrit that means the same thing and you can vibrate them.

Honestly there is so many things that i want to do with the Jupiter square that i don't even know where to start lol.

It will last for a year or more :) We will definitily have the time to do everything :D
Stormblood wrote:Mantras and mudras are two of the eight steps of Eightfold Path. None of them is strictly necessary but the more of them you do, the faster you progress. So, let's not start urban legends about how mantras are mandatory while mudras are unnecessary, and that visualisation alone is ineffective. All are different pieces of the puzzle.

Mudra are amazing with mantra, Kuji in for example is really powerful. Visualization is good too but for something that needs a lot of energy it's better mantra+visualization, it will take less time than just visualization, of course if for whatever reason you can't do mantra then visualization and affirmation are the next best things (if you do it after yoga or breathing exercise even better).

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Postby Lydia » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:43 pm

Stormblood wrote:Mantras and mudras are two of the eight steps of Eightfold Path. None of them is strictly necessary but the more of them you do, the faster you progress. So, let's not start urban legends about how mantras are mandatory while mudras are unnecessary, and that visualisation alone is ineffective. All are different pieces of the puzzle.


Agreed, I combine as much as possible. When I work on each chakra, I do the specific breathing for the chakra, the mudra, breathing in of the color of the chakra, and the mantra. Plus visualization but I don't mention that as it's a given with the breathing in of the color, visualizing the color going into the chakra and the chakra being strong and powerful.

@Dypet Rod- it could be a blockage or binding, or it could just be energy build-up. Try Thurisaz as you wrote and see how it goes.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby luis » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:43 pm

Lydia wrote:
Stormblood wrote:Mantras and mudras are two of the eight steps of Eightfold Path. None of them is strictly necessary but the more of them you do, the faster you progress. So, let's not start urban legends about how mantras are mandatory while mudras are unnecessary, and that visualisation alone is ineffective. All are different pieces of the puzzle.


Agreed, I combine as much as possible. When I work on each chakra, I do the specific breathing for the chakra, the mudra, breathing in of the color of the chakra, and the mantra. Plus visualization but I don't mention that as it's a given with the breathing in of the color, visualizing the color going into the chakra and the chakra being strong and powerful.

@Dypet Rod- it could be a blockage or binding, or it could just be energy build-up. Try Thurisaz as you wrote and see how it goes.

The only problem that i've got with mudra is that if i do like 8 or 9 vibration while doing a mudra then it's fine but if i do more i can't remember the number...do you have any tips?

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Stormblood » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:19 pm

Lydia wrote:
Stormblood wrote:Mantras and mudras are two of the eight steps of Eightfold Path. None of them is strictly necessary but the more of them you do, the faster you progress. So, let's not start urban legends about how mantras are mandatory while mudras are unnecessary, and that visualisation alone is ineffective. All are different pieces of the puzzle.


When I work on each chakra, I do the specific breathing for the chakra, the mudra, breathing in of the color of the chakra, and the mantra. Plus visualization but I don't mention that as it's a given with the breathing in of the color, visualizing the color going into the chakra and the chakra being strong and powerful.


No need to justify why you didn't mention it. The comment wasn't directed to you. I've seen people in multiple parts of the forum, including here, that neglect what you just described and I also realised that, whenever I posted about possible "ultimate" routine or "beginner" routine, I do neglect to mention these as well. In my opinion, visualisation and a breath exercise of choice should be used before every mantra and should be part of every meditation. I recently realised even HPS Maxine suggests doing a breathing exercise of our choice before we start most meditations. In the complete chakra meditations, we have what you described as well (the specific breathing for each chakra). If in some intermediate and advanced meditation it is not specified to align chakras and do the specific breathing exercise, I think that's because it's assumed one automatically takes that step, because we already should have it embedded in our routines.

Personally, I also spin chakras while doing the main meditation on them and I'm looking into incorporating specif bandhas as they are specified in the opening meditations section.


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Postby Tala » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:23 pm

I think it's a good thing to point out that they are all helpful lest someone mistakes unnecessary or optional as useless.

However, in regards to opening the chakras it does say on the meditation page that the hand mudra's are unnecessary IF they are uncomfortable:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... akras.html

Here it states the importance of vibrations:

http://web.archive.org/web/201509150335 ... Chant.html

Nowhere have I seen it say that vibrations are optional so that leads me to believe most if not all people need to use vibrations when stated. It does say now on the updated versions rolling the r's is optional, but once again that isn't ideal just an option if you are not able to.

Plus alot of people don't want to be heard and want to skip vibration but that is not a good reason to do so because there are multiple ways around that.

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Postby HailMotherLilith » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:43 pm

Dypet Rod wrote:I'll use this space to make a related question, instead of creating a new topic. Anyone's answers are welcome, not just Lydia's.

I suspect that I may have a blockage on my third eye, as I have now been experiencing a sensation as if there is something heavy on my forehead. Something as heavy as a small piece of natural magnet. Yesterday (when this started), I even felt a headache along with this.

I'm still doing the opening exercise everyday (because I want to make sure I won't lose any progress before I stop doing it) and it's been effective for me so far, as I've been feeling pressure on my forehead all the time ever since I experienced what I mentioned in my first message here.

At this point I don't even need to focus on my third eye in order to feel anything there. The only time I don't feel anything at all on my forehead is in the first few minutes after waking up. Then once I'm awake and get up, the pressure sensation on my forehead naturally kicks in within a few minutes. It's like my third eye sleeps along with the rest of my body and then awakes along, too.

But now since yesterday, I suspect of this possible blockage. I may try vibrating Thurisaz 27x on it and see what I feel.

But what if my suspicion is wrong and that's not a blockage after all? Is there anything bad that can result from vibrating Thurizas on my third eye without there being any blockage on it? That's my question.



I personally do not think it would do any damage, but try adding an affirmation such as:

"In a positive and a healthy manner for me, the energy of Thurisaz is safely and fully opening my third eye without any complications whatsoever."

Also, I can relate to you in a sense of the similar pain.

While doing the Beautiful meditation from Satan, I felt a really hard and painful feeling in my sixth chakra and my pineal gland too... I suppose this could explain why I also fell ill, but it could probably just be the harsh positions in my room...
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Dypet Rod » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:56 pm

Lydia wrote:@Dypet Rod- it could be a blockage or binding, or it could just be energy build-up. Try Thurisaz as you wrote and see how it goes.


Okay, I guess it won't make my third eye any harm then, in case there is no blockage. I will try this. Thank you, Lydia.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Dypet Rod » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:00 pm

HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:I'll use this space to make a related question, instead of creating a new topic. Anyone's answers are welcome, not just Lydia's.

I suspect that I may have a blockage on my third eye, as I have now been experiencing a sensation as if there is something heavy on my forehead. Something as heavy as a small piece of natural magnet. Yesterday (when this started), I even felt a headache along with this.

I'm still doing the opening exercise everyday (because I want to make sure I won't lose any progress before I stop doing it) and it's been effective for me so far, as I've been feeling pressure on my forehead all the time ever since I experienced what I mentioned in my first message here.

At this point I don't even need to focus on my third eye in order to feel anything there. The only time I don't feel anything at all on my forehead is in the first few minutes after waking up. Then once I'm awake and get up, the pressure sensation on my forehead naturally kicks in within a few minutes. It's like my third eye sleeps along with the rest of my body and then awakes along, too.

But now since yesterday, I suspect of this possible blockage. I may try vibrating Thurisaz 27x on it and see what I feel.

But what if my suspicion is wrong and that's not a blockage after all? Is there anything bad that can result from vibrating Thurizas on my third eye without there being any blockage on it? That's my question.



I personally do not think it would do any damage, but try adding an affirmation such as:

"In a positive and a healthy manner for me, the energy of Thurisaz is safely and fully opening my third eye without any complications whatsoever."

Also, I can relate to you in a sense of the similar pain.

While doing the Beautiful meditation from Satan, I felt a really hard and painful feeling in my sixth chakra and my pineal gland too... I suppose this could explain why I also fell ill, but it could probably just be the harsh positions in my room...


Good idea! I will try adding an affirmation like this. Thank you for the suggestion.

And now that you mentioned it, the pain I felt spread to the back of my head too, and to the right, which is said to be the location of the pineal gland.

I've been vibrating Thaum on my third eye at least 18 times every session, so this could also be a result from over-stimulation.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby HailMotherLilith » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:52 pm

Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:I'll use this space to make a related question, instead of creating a new topic. Anyone's answers are welcome, not just Lydia's.

I suspect that I may have a blockage on my third eye, as I have now been experiencing a sensation as if there is something heavy on my forehead. Something as heavy as a small piece of natural magnet. Yesterday (when this started), I even felt a headache along with this.

I'm still doing the opening exercise everyday (because I want to make sure I won't lose any progress before I stop doing it) and it's been effective for me so far, as I've been feeling pressure on my forehead all the time ever since I experienced what I mentioned in my first message here.

At this point I don't even need to focus on my third eye in order to feel anything there. The only time I don't feel anything at all on my forehead is in the first few minutes after waking up. Then once I'm awake and get up, the pressure sensation on my forehead naturally kicks in within a few minutes. It's like my third eye sleeps along with the rest of my body and then awakes along, too.

But now since yesterday, I suspect of this possible blockage. I may try vibrating Thurisaz 27x on it and see what I feel.

But what if my suspicion is wrong and that's not a blockage after all? Is there anything bad that can result from vibrating Thurizas on my third eye without there being any blockage on it? That's my question.



I personally do not think it would do any damage, but try adding an affirmation such as:

"In a positive and a healthy manner for me, the energy of Thurisaz is safely and fully opening my third eye without any complications whatsoever."

Also, I can relate to you in a sense of the similar pain.

While doing the Beautiful meditation from Satan, I felt a really hard and painful feeling in my sixth chakra and my pineal gland too... I suppose this could explain why I also fell ill, but it could probably just be the harsh positions in my room...


Good idea! I will try adding an affirmation like this. Thank you for the suggestion.

And now that you mentioned it, the pain I felt spread to the back of my head too, and to the right, which is said to be the location of the pineal gland.

I've been vibrating Thaum on my third eye at least 18 times every session, so this could also be a result from over-stimulation.



Perhaps so.

Maybe try working on your sixth chakra and then your pineal gland after working on your third eye?

Third eye is an extension of the sixth chakra, so they are connected and instead of you feeling the pain in the back of the head, your sixth chakra could be the one who is causing you pain and not the third eye itself.

You did mention pain and heaviness in the middle of your head, so perhaps it is indeed your sixth chakra and not your third eye.

Do try them out both and focus fully on feeling which is truly the cause of your painful experience.

I always use feeling, which is probably why even in my natal chart done by Lydia said that, I am very intuitive.

Always use feeling when meditating, because only with feeling can you determine your success. :)
At least I do that.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Stormblood » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:10 pm

Just want to note that there are powerful meditations that don't make use of any mantra. You can of course add them either before or after but they are optional indeed. That's to avoid false beliefs that mantra is always a required practice. For example, if you have a very sore throat and your voice is lower than whisper, you can't certainly vibrate anything. However, you can clean yourself and do healing workings that are effective without vibration, not to mention asana and pranayama.

Advanced meditations that are on topic: pineal breathing meditation, third eye breathing meditation
Advanced meditations off-topic: working with elements (invoking, evoking, rotating), Magnum Opus steps, pyrokinesis, telekinesis, advanced chakra spinning
Other powerful meditations on-topic: blue light meditation, meditation from Satan, meditation on Satan
Other powerful meditations off-topic: twin serpents, single serpent, secreting ectoplasm

Anyway, I think I've said pretty much everything I wanted to say throughout my posts on this topic. I wish you all best results with opening your astral senses.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Dypet Rod » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:09 pm

HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:

I personally do not think it would do any damage, but try adding an affirmation such as:

"In a positive and a healthy manner for me, the energy of Thurisaz is safely and fully opening my third eye without any complications whatsoever."

Also, I can relate to you in a sense of the similar pain.

While doing the Beautiful meditation from Satan, I felt a really hard and painful feeling in my sixth chakra and my pineal gland too... I suppose this could explain why I also fell ill, but it could probably just be the harsh positions in my room...


Good idea! I will try adding an affirmation like this. Thank you for the suggestion.

And now that you mentioned it, the pain I felt spread to the back of my head too, and to the right, which is said to be the location of the pineal gland.

I've been vibrating Thaum on my third eye at least 18 times every session, so this could also be a result from over-stimulation.



Perhaps so.

Maybe try working on your sixth chakra and then your pineal gland after working on your third eye?

Third eye is an extension of the sixth chakra, so they are connected and instead of you feeling the pain in the back of the head, your sixth chakra could be the one who is causing you pain and not the third eye itself.

You did mention pain and heaviness in the middle of your head, so perhaps it is indeed your sixth chakra and not your third eye.

Do try them out both and focus fully on feeling which is truly the cause of your painful experience.

I always use feeling, which is probably why even in my natal chart done by Lydia said that, I am very intuitive.

Always use feeling when meditating, because only with feeling can you determine your success. :)
At least I do that.


Yeah, you'd often share with me back in 2016 how you had the ability to sense and feel energy, entities and so on, despite not being able to see them at the time. This is very good. I still have to fully develop this.

And you may be right. I thought of that being my 6th chakra too, especially when I experienced what I described in my first message.

I did vibrate Thurisaz on my third eye a few times yesterday (fewer than 27), and I'm not sure if that did anything, but today I'm no longer experiencing pain like I did.

I'm currently redoing the awakening exercises in sequence and I'd like to make sure my third eye is fully open before I move to working on my 6th chakra, but I may also start doing that right away while taking some spare time in my day to do lesser work on my third eye, as I can already feel it fairly well at this point.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby HailMotherLilith » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:47 pm

Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:
Good idea! I will try adding an affirmation like this. Thank you for the suggestion.

And now that you mentioned it, the pain I felt spread to the back of my head too, and to the right, which is said to be the location of the pineal gland.

I've been vibrating Thaum on my third eye at least 18 times every session, so this could also be a result from over-stimulation.



Perhaps so.

Maybe try working on your sixth chakra and then your pineal gland after working on your third eye?

Third eye is an extension of the sixth chakra, so they are connected and instead of you feeling the pain in the back of the head, your sixth chakra could be the one who is causing you pain and not the third eye itself.

You did mention pain and heaviness in the middle of your head, so perhaps it is indeed your sixth chakra and not your third eye.

Do try them out both and focus fully on feeling which is truly the cause of your painful experience.

I always use feeling, which is probably why even in my natal chart done by Lydia said that, I am very intuitive.

Always use feeling when meditating, because only with feeling can you determine your success. :)
At least I do that.


Yeah, you'd often share with me back in 2016 how you had the ability to sense and feel energy, entities and so on, despite not being able to see them at the time. This is very good. I still have to fully develop this.

And you may be right. I thought of that being my 6th chakra too, especially when I experienced what I described in my first message.

I did vibrate Thurisaz on my third eye a few times yesterday (fewer than 27), and I'm not sure if that did anything, but today I'm no longer experiencing pain like I did.

I'm currently redoing the awakening exercises in sequence and I'd like to make sure my third eye is fully open before I move to working on my 6th chakra, but I may also start doing that right away while taking some spare time in my day to do lesser work on my third eye, as I can already feel it fairly well at this point.



Don't neglect opening your other chakras too.

Firstly open them, then work on them one at a time, while spinning others to make sure they do not close.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby HailMotherLilith » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:50 pm

HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:

Perhaps so.

Maybe try working on your sixth chakra and then your pineal gland after working on your third eye?

Third eye is an extension of the sixth chakra, so they are connected and instead of you feeling the pain in the back of the head, your sixth chakra could be the one who is causing you pain and not the third eye itself.

You did mention pain and heaviness in the middle of your head, so perhaps it is indeed your sixth chakra and not your third eye.

Do try them out both and focus fully on feeling which is truly the cause of your painful experience.

I always use feeling, which is probably why even in my natal chart done by Lydia said that, I am very intuitive.

Always use feeling when meditating, because only with feeling can you determine your success. :)
At least I do that.


Yeah, you'd often share with me back in 2016 how you had the ability to sense and feel energy, entities and so on, despite not being able to see them at the time. This is very good. I still have to fully develop this.

And you may be right. I thought of that being my 6th chakra too, especially when I experienced what I described in my first message.

I did vibrate Thurisaz on my third eye a few times yesterday (fewer than 27), and I'm not sure if that did anything, but today I'm no longer experiencing pain like I did.

I'm currently redoing the awakening exercises in sequence and I'd like to make sure my third eye is fully open before I move to working on my 6th chakra, but I may also start doing that right away while taking some spare time in my day to do lesser work on my third eye, as I can already feel it fairly well at this point.



Don't neglect opening your other chakras too.

Firstly open them, then work on them one at a time, while spinning others to make sure they do not close.



Sorry, I meant to say: First awaken all of them before proceeding to open your chakras fully one at a time.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Dypet Rod » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:05 pm

HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:

Perhaps so.

Maybe try working on your sixth chakra and then your pineal gland after working on your third eye?

Third eye is an extension of the sixth chakra, so they are connected and instead of you feeling the pain in the back of the head, your sixth chakra could be the one who is causing you pain and not the third eye itself.

You did mention pain and heaviness in the middle of your head, so perhaps it is indeed your sixth chakra and not your third eye.

Do try them out both and focus fully on feeling which is truly the cause of your painful experience.

I always use feeling, which is probably why even in my natal chart done by Lydia said that, I am very intuitive.

Always use feeling when meditating, because only with feeling can you determine your success. :)
At least I do that.


Yeah, you'd often share with me back in 2016 how you had the ability to sense and feel energy, entities and so on, despite not being able to see them at the time. This is very good. I still have to fully develop this.

And you may be right. I thought of that being my 6th chakra too, especially when I experienced what I described in my first message.

I did vibrate Thurisaz on my third eye a few times yesterday (fewer than 27), and I'm not sure if that did anything, but today I'm no longer experiencing pain like I did.

I'm currently redoing the awakening exercises in sequence and I'd like to make sure my third eye is fully open before I move to working on my 6th chakra, but I may also start doing that right away while taking some spare time in my day to do lesser work on my third eye, as I can already feel it fairly well at this point.



Don't neglect opening your other chakras too.

Firstly open them, then work on them one at a time, while spinning others to make sure they do not close.


Alright. I'll move on to my 6th chakra soon. This will probably help further empower my third eye itself, as its main chakra will be open too.

Thank you for the advice o/
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby Tala » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:18 pm

I've had trouble with this too and I figured the only way is to visualize the numbers while chanting. Obviously that's a problem if you are trying to open your 3rd eye to improve visualization...

Maybe with mudras the exact amount of reps is less important?


luis wrote:
Lydia wrote:
Stormblood wrote:Mantras and mudras are two of the eight steps of Eightfold Path. None of them is strictly necessary but the more of them you do, the faster you progress. So, let's not start urban legends about how mantras are mandatory while mudras are unnecessary, and that visualisation alone is ineffective. All are different pieces of the puzzle.


Agreed, I combine as much as possible. When I work on each chakra, I do the specific breathing for the chakra, the mudra, breathing in of the color of the chakra, and the mantra. Plus visualization but I don't mention that as it's a given with the breathing in of the color, visualizing the color going into the chakra and the chakra being strong and powerful.

@Dypet Rod- it could be a blockage or binding, or it could just be energy build-up. Try Thurisaz as you wrote and see how it goes.

The only problem that i've got with mudra is that if i do like 8 or 9 vibration while doing a mudra then it's fine but if i do more i can't remember the number...do you have any tips?

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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby HailMotherLilith » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:18 am

Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:
Yeah, you'd often share with me back in 2016 how you had the ability to sense and feel energy, entities and so on, despite not being able to see them at the time. This is very good. I still have to fully develop this.

And you may be right. I thought of that being my 6th chakra too, especially when I experienced what I described in my first message.

I did vibrate Thurisaz on my third eye a few times yesterday (fewer than 27), and I'm not sure if that did anything, but today I'm no longer experiencing pain like I did.

I'm currently redoing the awakening exercises in sequence and I'd like to make sure my third eye is fully open before I move to working on my 6th chakra, but I may also start doing that right away while taking some spare time in my day to do lesser work on my third eye, as I can already feel it fairly well at this point.



Don't neglect opening your other chakras too.

Firstly open them, then work on them one at a time, while spinning others to make sure they do not close.


Alright. I'll move on to my 6th chakra soon. This will probably help further empower my third eye itself, as its main chakra will be open too.

Thank you for the advice o/



Oh btw, this came while I was doing Void Meditation: Try vibrating Mail mantra into your crown chakra, from third eye to pineal gland and finally Crown Chakra.

This reacted a lot for me, but I started to feel subtle blissful feeling in my crown chakra, but did react painfully to my pineal gland and sixth chakra.
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Re: Opening Astral Senses

Postby HailMotherLilith » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:00 am

HailMotherLilith wrote:
Dypet Rod wrote:
HailMotherLilith wrote:

Don't neglect opening your other chakras too.

Firstly open them, then work on them one at a time, while spinning others to make sure they do not close.


Alright. I'll move on to my 6th chakra soon. This will probably help further empower my third eye itself, as its main chakra will be open too.

Thank you for the advice o/



Oh btw, this came while I was doing Void Meditation: Try vibrating Mail mantra into your crown chakra, from third eye to pineal gland and finally Crown Chakra.

This reacted a lot for me, but I started to feel subtle blissful feeling in my crown chakra, but did react painfully to my pineal gland and sixth chakra.



Stupid air correct, I meant to say Maum mantra...
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