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Elysian Fields, Heaven, Saturn and Magnum Opus

Hp. Hoodedcobra666

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The term "Heaven" from the bible is merely a stolen allegory for the Crown Chakra which, upon proper work and activation, and upon bringing the soul to a higher level, manifests positive sensations and a sense of wellbeing that has no 'end'. Residing on the top of the head, this is called "Heaven". This is a well known fact from anyone who has done basic studying.

This comes as a reward for people who are persistent in advancement and spiritual ascent. This is the reward of "Heaven" for the righteous people. Later on this was transcribed by the jews in their ignorance and defilement into an expression of their own sick soul, ie, that all of this concept has anything got to do with how these "holy ones" behave. Being "Holy" has to do with doing spirituality and meditation. This creates a better disposition and improves someone, bringing them closer to a higher elevation everytime it's done.

Jews created a hoax that this elevation has to do with how subservient one is to jews, and created lies around this process for public confusion. From this hoax and on wards began the terrorism of all the ignorant and unknowing people who found themselves first and foremost in the darkness of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam later on, to feel eternally guilty and condemned. The jews are guilty of this, and they know it. This is their biggest crime as a race, that has collectively ruined humanity.

Marcus Eli Ravage goes in depth that the jews are well aware of their crime in that regard, and that he is "surprized" people do not see this very obvious crime the jews did and cloaked into a religious form.

However long before these stolen allegories that the enemy purposefully created into lies and hoaxes, the actual allegories that had the sane and clear messages and spiritual meanings in them existed solidly. In other words, the enemy knew what these were about, but they corrupted them for public confusion and humiliation of humanity.

Alternatively, the notion of "Hell" was basically "Hades" and it was not a place of punishment, but rather, a place where souls lived in an inferior standard until they could reincarnate again and again in order to advance. In the myths, Hercules escorts and saves individuals from "Hades" as Hades is symbolic of a state of darkness in the soul, and the lower one sinks into this level, the harder it can be to escape. One falls into "Hades" because of spiritual descent.

Neither of the above have to do with how good of a goy you have been, how many times you have kissed jewish ass, and what is the opinion of a fictitious rabbi about you. These infantile and childish, but dangerous fabrications were made by jews to create popular social terror, as a form of terrorism to terrorize the ignorant and snap them into submission. Much of this also resulted as jews themselves are a very superstitious race that is very fond of dangerous lying.

Even more pathetic are individuals who basically are still in the useless loop which they try to discern "Gnosticism" and other toilet teachings, while in full actuality, the Ancient Greek or other mythologies do have far clearer meanings, without "Holy Mary", "Pistis Sophia" and all sorts of useless rabbinical inspired drivel and piss clothed in pseudo-mysticism.

Indeed, there is no point to have these teachings or take them seriously, as saner cultures like Asiatic, Ancient Greek, Ancient Norse, the uncorrupted parts of India, have all went indepth in these mythical representations, and are clear and sane. The truth is right here, on the stories of our ancient civilizations, and it will survive to eternity, or at least, until the enemy takes over and tries to erase these.

I will therefore write every so often to clean this useless Aegean Stables of jewish horse-shit and replace it with the proper meanings, simply as generated from the Ancient Pagan mind, and without useless rabbinical drivel cloaked behind the teachings of foolish jews and other irrelevant and false 'mystics' who create lies in place of 'secrets'. Truth is great and our ancestors did their best to array it simply, so that we could understand. The enemy on the other hand makes it complex and difficult due to incessant disinformation, confusing the mind.

In the Pagan world the "Heaven" was a parallel world for what is called the Elysian Fields, the other side of this being the Lythian springs or "Hell". These fields are a place where there is eternal day, and there is no night, while eternal night is on the Lythian springs, darkness. According to legend, this is also a place where the flowers that produce sleep do actually produce nectar that the people can drink [or in other words Chakras and the Soma Elixir], which is the "Elixir" of the 6th chakra, while on the Lythian springs there are springs that give life to dead flowers or cause permanent amnesia.

In the Elysian Fields Jupiter was the ruler, and Saturn was also there but in a mesmerized and transformed fashion, since Zeus had fed Saturn with Honey (Again an allegory to the awakening of the pineal gland) which had put him on eternal sleep, making Saturn friendly. Saturn in traditional lore is this evil boogieman, but this is not the true nature of Saturn. In other stories he appears as a co-ruler or a ruler of the Elysian fields, giving them the power to stay on the fields. However, contrary to popular belief, in the Orphic (or internal) mysteries and traditions, Saturn was actually ruling the Elysian fields, but he was ruling with his wife which is Rhea which "Flowing one", significant of the healthy flow of energy, balancing out the energy of Saturn.

Demonization of Saturn as some sort of "Evil" thing came from spiritual ignorance in particular based either to bullshit theories about how "Saturn = Evil = Satan" or simply "Stuff I don't like cuz I die from it" and ignoramus and nonspiritual perceptions about Saturn. Saturn is not a negative planet, but as with any serious force, if left unattended, it is what can rot and kill and individual. So are other forces. Apollo which is symbolic of the Sun is also a killer and a maimer and bestower of great plagues and illnesses, but the Sun is not evil.

Saturn is also a planet directly responsible for immortality, and without Saturn and the proper placing of this energy into specific center, there is no basis upon which to build the so called "Temple of The Sun", what became later the "Temple of Solomon". If you spiritually advance then Saturn will not be as hostile to you.

The next "Judge" on whether one will go to the Elysian fields or not was the judge Rhadamanthus which means "The lord of the rod", ie, the rod being the spine. He is the called the "right hand of Saturn". If Radamanthus found someone to be morally and spiritually upright, then they would be allowed into the fields. Here comes the metaphysical statement, one's soul development. Radamanthus as a name also implies the control and taming of the rod, which is in other terminology the ability to control the serpentine force and properly direct it, a term tarnished today by shallow interpretations, coming from the same people ones who constantly blame Saturn due to spiritual negligence.

Radamanthus was a lawgiver to humanity, which gave the "Law", and was later stolen and made into Moses by jews, the "lawgiver" and symbol of the "Rod" for the jews, symbolized by Moses.

Does your rod suck and you are spiritually ignorant and foolish? Then all you can do is whine about Saturn. Are you not? Then Saturn will be less and less of a problem as you advance. In the end actually, he may get you to the Elysian fields or "Heaven". This is the objective of meditation. The same Saturn that whips when one is low spiritually, is the Saturn that blesses and maintains when one is in a higher level. This is why rulership is traditionally linked to Saturn, same as established order. Saturn and Sun are esoterically connected, and this also includes Jupiter.

Were it not for death or the awareness of death, sickness, fear, and all sorts of other emotions, most people would remain permanently spiritually ignorant. We can observe this in modern society where all "Saturnian" manifestations are tried to put to shut down. You get heart attack from eating MacDonalds all day, ie, a natural consequence of your actions? It's fine, let's just do a surgery so you can maintain your habit so you can keep eating. Did you just do some strange body modification surgery and you want to suicide? Sure, we amend by more opium.

We run from problems instead of facing them as a society. This makes things worse. As such, Saturn is perceived as an ultimate enemy. If anything, we are afraid of Saturn as we should be, as Saturn is wasting, disease and death, but even these forces, with proper handling, can propel someone to do better and escape them. If people took old age seriously, they would be meditating now, rather than later.

This state of perpetual running from responsibility, running from life, and maintaining ignorance, furthers ignorance to catastrophic extents. People constantly hate on responsibility as they hate for any other form of measure, but the ancient people did not think in such deranged way. In the ancient times if you were getting fat you were not prescribed morphine, you either had to get fit or better or live with it and suffer.

To put it succinctly, Radamanthus will not accept you in any Elysian field unless you spiritually advance and ennoble yourself. The spiritual dimension of this is meditation, the living dimension of this is taking responsibility for one's self. Blame Saturn for perils, call him evil daddy, make wrong and extended correlations with the some evil outer space force, this will never change.

Elysian hints as a word to the "loosening of the bonds", as in someone who is free from the karmic shackles. The theme is also presented in how Shiva is called the breaker of bondage, to name one example. The word is also inter-played to also relate to the Sun and the power of the Sun. The Elysian fields were the state of consciousness of the just, the heroes, the demigods, and people who were of a noble and brave character.

The other side of the fields was called the Lythian fields which is a wordplay for those who dwell in deep sleep, we can say that is ignorance. This also deals with forgetfulness, forgetting of one's culture, a parallel for losing the spiritual knowledge. Obviously, their experience after death could be no different, and this is why sometimes Saturn is associated with death during the sleep, or a state of perpetual ignorance that mirror sleep. Lythian is related to the meaning of forgefulness. Satan, or Truth, is related to the concept of remembering on the other hand.

The Lythian fields correspond to the base chakra which is the chakra ruled by our friend Saturn. Saturn in mythology was said to have waged a battle with the older ruler of Olympus and his wife, Ophion and Eurynomy. Eurynomy means "The laws that extent wide", or let us put it simply, the universal laws. Ophion means Serpent and it is a self revealing title. Saturn has however suppressed the rule of Ophion and Eurynomy, and did subdue them, giving rise into a terrible rule, that Jupiter would come later to save people from.

Many people do conflate Saturn with Chronos which is not Kronos. Chronos means "Time" merely and is a mere concept of time. In that allegory, Ophion does fight the concept of "Time" and if he defeats him, he replaces him as a ruler, a concept related to immortality as Ophion relates to Serpent. However, Kronos, which holds the same vowels as KRN or Korona, relates to the Crown and awakening the top center, and is not a negative concept. Due to linguistic similarity these are canned together, and confusion ensues in that people ascribe to Saturn what Chronos does, such as the time one has until they die. While these relate, they are not the same thing.

Part of this is why Saturn was actually a celebrated and holy planet in the ancient times, and not some negative "David Icke Muh Satanic Saturn" meme as it became today. Saturnalia and other holidays were based upon this concept, showing that Saturn had a solar attribute, which made Saturn sanctified, and a sanctification planet. Saturn is not only a negative planet that creates dread, but a planet that teaches living responsibility, which can come through scars and suffering. Saturn can be avoided if one meditates and takes measured steps in their life. Not completely, but one can help themselves a lot in that regard.

Saturn is not an evil planet, to the spiritual person, he can be an ally, acting sometimes brutally and without concern, may show you where you have cracks in your development. Of course these energies can be inflated such as from jewish curses [increasing in potency the negative forces of said planet], but then again this is the work of jews and not the work of the planet himself. You cannot blame the sun for if someone creates a solar weapon and burns nations with it.

Spiritual people do not have to cry about these, only work to overcome them.

What "The Law" really means is a spiritual concept of advancing spiritually and applying spiritual consciousness, to evolve the soul and therefore also escape "damnation" which is a natural fact, of not allowing the soul to grow dim and eventually perish by lack of sustenance. And Saturn is the reminder of this very fact. The association with Nomos or Law with Eurynomy is what the jews later called "Torah" or "The Law", which is nothing of all the pages of insanity these jews written, yet another monstrous fabrication from their alien soul.

Again in regards to Kronos, Physically, this is reminded through the process of ageing. However Saturn also reminds of the concept of that if you reap, you will sow, showing simply that if you had went about life in another way, you would be sustained as a result of the soundness of your choices.

Likewise, in spirituality, if you follow "The Law" and you meditate and advance, your meditative energy and powers will vitalize you, and eventually and with proper guidance, from what is the total ignorance of Lythia, you will be gradually led to the Elysian fields and gain spiritual stature and immortality.

One will ascend from the depths of Hades to the Elysian fields of eternal light, provided, they take the path of the Hero, which is the path of spiritual mastery and inner work.

This door is now open to everyone, but few people take their chances, a fact that explains a lot of misery, idiocy, and stupidity on the world.

On the other hand, those who take the upwards path, will sooner or later reach the top, and become an elevated being, and this rule is eternal, so long the knowledge of our Gods exists, and so long humanity exists and applies. The path of the Godhead is attainable but it is a path to put one's self onto and walk it.

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
 
Awesome sermon.
The jews actually stole the term "Elysian" too in their vile program of christianity. I districtly remember the word "Elysium" from a xian song that they used to sing back when I was still forced into church every week.
 
Saturn as "Evil" is beyond stupidity its make me sick how peoples are degenerated by lies told by rats jews and i have question about reincarnation. If peoples who awake to satanism or paganism after rebirth have portion of memories or full memories of past life or have no memories of past life at all ?
 
Wow very analytical explaination.
But I have a question about the part of Ophion and Euronomy.
Before Saturn be the ruler of Olympus wasn't Uranus the ruler?
Also if you have the time to explain what the past that of the creation of Venus represents.I have read that Venus was created when Saturn cut Uranus's reproductive organs and threw them to the sea,that is why she is named Aphrodite, because she is coming from the sea foam.??
 
Does my life suck because I did something bad in past lives?
 
i tried to search the lythian fields on google but i didn't find them
could you give us a link?
 
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
 
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
The term "Heaven" from the bible is merely a stolen allegory for the Crown Chakra which, upon proper work and activation, and upon bringing the soul to a higher level, manifests positive sensations and a sense of wellbeing that has no 'end'. Residing on the top of the head, this is called "Heaven". This is a well known fact from anyone who has done basic studying.
It is nice to know that I was right ages ago when I said the Crown Chakra is like Heaven and the Root Chakra is like Hell, in a sense. This is also a nice - and again, yet another - coincidence regarding the word "heaven" for me, as well. It's trivial but still pleasant.

This is the reward of "Heaven" for the righteous people.
Oh, "god" and its storehouse of riches just bursting at the seams!

Saturn is not a negative planet, but as with any serious force, if left unattended, it is what can rot and kill and individual.
On a less-trivial, more serious note, this is another coincidence for me. I have decided, and the sermons and help has...well...helped, for me to realise that the Planets are not good nor bad in and of themselves (ignoring that they don't have conscience/sentience, of course). For example, I thought, in my ignorance, that X Planet, with its bits and pieces, will do this or that during its return (after 1 orbit of that Planet back to its same position in my Natal Chart); however, on more than one occasion, the effects of X Planet (with other things, of course) have caused things to happen not during that Planet's return, so before or after its return. So this made me wonder, like for example a comet has stuff coming off it,

  • it can have an effect before the comet has actually arrived (say, with the ice and stone coming off ahead of the comet and crashing on your house or car),
  • it can have effects while it has arrived, and
  • it can have effects after it has arrived

so with the size of the Planets, along with the other good and bad factors, that Planet's influences can occur before and/or after its actual return date. Like with the energies building up before its actual return date, sort of like a sonic boom sound effect. (Surely, the influences can continue after, for a time.)

X Planet is known for causing Y thing to happen, so I thought that not before its return date Y would happen; however, Y happened close to its return date but not on it precisely; more like days, weeks, months or years before/after.

This is why rulership is traditionally linked to Saturn, same as established order.
Did you or someone else, or could you or someone else, do a sermon about the rulership of Saturn in all of the Houses, with the different areas of life? I won't reveal where Saturn is in my Chart and what she likes to...shall we say teach me...but I'd hope every one would be covered in detail, just to make sure that mine is covered correctly and properly. (Sorry to ask a lot!)

We run from problems instead of facing them as a society. This makes things worse.
Wow. Let's not turn this into a Brexit debate! PMSL!

If anything, we are afraid of Saturn as we should be, as Saturn is wasting, disease and death, but even these forces, with proper handling, can propel someone to do better and escape them.
Like riding the rapids, or captaining on a rough sea.
 
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?

If you're that "responsible" to want to do the Saturn square on yourself, then you must be at least somewhere around the level of knowledge you can at least find when the time it is to do it, as Saturn moves extremely slowly anyway.

The Saturn square is still up and you can do it, so I don't get the last question really. To me this is a meme now. When people want to fuck themselves up they always say "Responsibility to the responsible". And I'm like always, yea, alright, sure.

https://www.astro.com/index.htm

You can check the planetary calendar here. Saturn moves quite slowly.
 
satanama666 said:
i tried to search the lythian fields on google but i didn't find them
could you give us a link?

This is because I made a mistake in the locale. These are the Lethean Springs, not Lethean fields. The Lythean spring was in Hades in mythology.

I corrected the sermon, thank you.
 
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?

If you're that "responsible" to want to do the Saturn square on yourself, then you must be at least somewhere around the level of knowledge you can at least find when the time it is to do it, as Saturn moves extremely slowly anyway.

The Saturn square is still up and you can do it, so I don't get the last question really. To me this is a meme now. When people want to fuck themselves up they always say "Responsibility to the responsible". And I'm like always, yea, alright, sure.

https://www.astro.com/index.htm

You can check the planetary calendar here. Saturn moves quite slowly.


I loled pretty hard youre right it is like a meme
 
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?

If you're that "responsible" to want to do the Saturn square on yourself, then you must be at least somewhere around the level of knowledge you can at least find when the time it is to do it, as Saturn moves extremely slowly anyway.

The Saturn square is still up and you can do it, so I don't get the last question really. To me this is a meme now. When people want to fuck themselves up they always say "Responsibility to the responsible". And I'm like always, yea, alright, sure.

https://www.astro.com/index.htm

You can check the planetary calendar here. Saturn moves quite slowly.

I was just curious. I don’t really care either way if it’s on the calendar or not.
 
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
When doing the Saturn Square don't forget to say "in a positive healthy and HAPPY way "
The happy is really important to be in the affirmation when working with Saturn.
Also be certain that the Saturn square will benefit you and won't be a disaster .
Also if you are gonna vizualize Saturn , vizualize him ringless cause his rings amplyfing his energies.
Also make clear what you want from his energies.

Following all of these you are gonna have a high chance to succeed.
I personally had a very positive experience with Saturn but still Saturn is not from everyone.
There are also other ways to get the positive effects of Saturn safely but you seem to have taken your decision.
I also advise you to breath a small amount of energy directly from the planet to see if it feels good to you before you take too much and is too late to stop.If you do that still remember vizualize him ringless .
To finish if you want to just see how Saturn feels ypu can instead vibrate his mantra (Shanisvara) in your base chakra . Personally Shanisvara and the other planetary mantras are working much better than the Sanskrit words for empowerment.

Be careful and if something feels wrong STOP IMMEDIATELY!!
 
Sun, Saturn, and Jupiter are part of the day sect in traditional astrology, which become the operative planets in one's chart if one is born during the day time. How fitting that they all help each other :)
 
Great sermon HP Cobra :)

Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
With "responsibility to the responsible", people can figure out for themselves that Saturn is in Capricorn and it's square can be started any Saturday.

People got tired of seeing "Saturn Square" every Saturday week after week on the Calendar.
 
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
Because of how long the Saturn Square tends to last each transition of it's home/exalted sign, and how quick it can be finished, there have been a lot of new or less wise members who decide for some reason it's a good idea to do it, ignoring the fine print on the page of the square, and often choosing to use it for black magic, which is a horrible idea due to the potent nature of Sanskirt and it's abilities to affect the soul more deeply when vibrated; you would be throwing all of your curses onto yourself without an additional mantra to redirect the energies. Very few JoS members will ever need to use the Saturn Square for any purpose either way, so having it on the calendar is superfluous and misleading. Everything you can do with that Saturn Square can be done safer with Runes.

Besides, like HPHC said, an advanced member who knows exactly what they are doing with the square in the first place will still easily be able to find relevant dates for it.

Sermons like these will gradually help clear misconceptions about Saturn from enemy lies over time as well, so that members who are attentive and consistently advancing will discover how they can make use of Saturn properly and therefore know how to work with the square if required.
 
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?

If you're that "responsible" to want to do the Saturn square on yourself, then you must be at least somewhere around the level of knowledge you can at least find when the time it is to do it, as Saturn moves extremely slowly anyway.

The Saturn square is still up and you can do it, so I don't get the last question really. To me this is a meme now. When people want to fuck themselves up they always say "Responsibility to the responsible". And I'm like always, yea, alright, sure.

https://www.astro.com/index.htm

You can check the planetary calendar here. Saturn moves quite slowly.
lol!
 
Νίκος said:
Wow very analytical explaination.
But I have a question about the part of Ophion and Euronomy.
Before Saturn be the ruler of Olympus wasn't Uranus the ruler?
Also if you have the time to explain what the past that of the creation of Venus represents.I have read that Venus was created when Saturn cut Uranus's reproductive organs and threw them to the sea,that is why she is named Aphrodite, because she is coming from the sea foam.??

Different authors give different cosmogonies. In your version before Uranus and Gaea, there were Nyx and Erebos as the second rulers of the universe. And from them came Aither and Hemera, like from darkness light is manifested. And before them Chaos alone as the first ruler. I think the Protogenoi are more conceptual powers than deities. Uranus is the personification of the sky, Zeus rules over the sky. Like the crown is the sky and Jupiter rules over the crown.
 
Νίκος said:
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
When doing the Saturn Square don't forget to say "in a positive healthy and HAPPY way "
The happy is really important to be in the affirmation when working with Saturn.
Also be certain that the Saturn square will benefit you and won't be a disaster .
Also if you are gonna vizualize Saturn , vizualize him ringless cause his rings amplyfing his energies.
Also make clear what you want from his energies.

Following all of these you are gonna have a high chance to succeed.
I personally had a very positive experience with Saturn but still Saturn is not from everyone.
There are also other ways to get the positive effects of Saturn safely but you seem to have taken your decision.
I also advise you to breath a small amount of energy directly from the planet to see if it feels good to you before you take too much and is too late to stop.If you do that still remember vizualize him ringless .
To finish if you want to just see how Saturn feels ypu can instead vibrate his mantra (Shanisvara) in your base chakra . Personally Shanisvara and the other planetary mantras are working much better than the Sanskrit words for empowerment.

Be careful and if something feels wrong STOP IMMEDIATELY!!
A lot of attention must be paid to the statements. Whatever energy is used. I wanted to use Saturn's kabbalistic square on me to instill seriousness in me to work more spiritually. If I had done such a job and if I had stated simply, to work spiritually very seriously, more than likely I would have self-inflicted with the energies of Saturn with some deadly disease or something similar. And consequently I should work very seriously to survive. High Priestess Maxine said that every aspect must be covered when making statements and that energy takes the easy way, unless otherwise planned. It must be precise. And do not do useless things, randomly and without thinking well. In my personal case, I realized that it was not a stupid choice not to meditate. It's like deciding whether to save yourself or go against death. Old age alone is enough to be very serious about meditation. In my case it is a lack of privacy. I need to live alone and in private. Jupiter for abundance would be very useful to me. Obviously, I have to direct my energies well ... because with Jupiter you could get fat and have problems with the heart, kidneys, blood sugar, etc.
 
Νίκος said:
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
When doing the Saturn Square don't forget to say "in a positive healthy and HAPPY way "
The happy is really important to be in the affirmation when working with Saturn.
Also be certain that the Saturn square will benefit you and won't be a disaster .
Also if you are gonna vizualize Saturn , vizualize him ringless cause his rings amplyfing his energies.
Also make clear what you want from his energies.

Following all of these you are gonna have a high chance to succeed.
I personally had a very positive experience with Saturn but still Saturn is not from everyone.
There are also other ways to get the positive effects of Saturn safely but you seem to have taken your decision.
I also advise you to breath a small amount of energy directly from the planet to see if it feels good to you before you take too much and is too late to stop.If you do that still remember vizualize him ringless .
To finish if you want to just see how Saturn feels ypu can instead vibrate his mantra (Shanisvara) in your base chakra . Personally Shanisvara and the other planetary mantras are working much better than the Sanskrit words for empowerment.

Be careful and if something feels wrong STOP IMMEDIATELY!!

You seem quite knowledgable with regards to the planets. Have have tried a full chakra meditation using planetary mantras? And if so, what has your experience been? I’ve been primarily using the RAUM meditation for the chakras, but am looking to change things up.
 
Legendary Creature said:
Νίκος said:
Legendary Creature said:
Just wondering why the dates / times for the Saturn square don’t appear in the SS calendar? I get that some people have had negative experiences, but there are others who have done it and have benefitted from it. Shouldn’t it be responsibility to the responsible?
When doing the Saturn Square don't forget to say "in a positive healthy and HAPPY way "
The happy is really important to be in the affirmation when working with Saturn.
Also be certain that the Saturn square will benefit you and won't be a disaster .
Also if you are gonna vizualize Saturn , vizualize him ringless cause his rings amplyfing his energies.
Also make clear what you want from his energies.

Following all of these you are gonna have a high chance to succeed.
I personally had a very positive experience with Saturn but still Saturn is not from everyone.
There are also other ways to get the positive effects of Saturn safely but you seem to have taken your decision.
I also advise you to breath a small amount of energy directly from the planet to see if it feels good to you before you take too much and is too late to stop.If you do that still remember vizualize him ringless .
To finish if you want to just see how Saturn feels ypu can instead vibrate his mantra (Shanisvara) in your base chakra . Personally Shanisvara and the other planetary mantras are working much better than the Sanskrit words for empowerment.

Be careful and if something feels wrong STOP IMMEDIATELY!!

You seem quite knowledgable with regards to the planets. Have have tried a full chakra meditation using planetary mantras? And if so, what has your experience been? I’ve been primarily using the RAUM meditation for the chakras, but am looking to change things up.
I am not an expert bit I have read the basics from the Jos!Well I haven't done the full chakra meditation but I have done this:I laid on my bed got,relaxed and started from Crown to the base vibrating the mantra of each chakra's ruler and before go to next ( from the 7th to the 6th for example!) I said my affirmation !The reason I did this was because I wanted Saturn to be the last cause it gives me a feeling of balance and grounding that I like to have when I am done with a meditation.
Also the Raum meditation is great for empowerment of the whole soul but I think your chakras still need the vibrations!Try the planetary mantras (Shanisvara ,Suryae etc) and the others that are in the full chakra meditation page and see what better suits you!
But be careful with Saturn!!Keep on mind everything that the High priests/esses and other members have said!If you feel problems in your life stop the Shanisvara immediately and replace with something other (Laum for example).
Also if something goes wrong use Jupiter and Sun to nullify the Saturn's effects( if you get too grounded you can use Varuna since it has the positive effects of Neptune can help you with being more spiritual and such).I personally felt the need for Saturn's energies so I used him for empowerment but I stopped when I felt the feeling of empowerment (of the base chakra) be weaker.Nothing but happened to me of course but still don't risk it.
 
Stormblood said:
Νίκος said:
Wow very analytical explaination.
But I have a question about the part of Ophion and Euronomy.
Before Saturn be the ruler of Olympus wasn't Uranus the ruler?
Also if you have the time to explain what the past that of the creation of Venus represents.I have read that Venus was created when Saturn cut Uranus's reproductive organs and threw them to the sea,that is why she is named Aphrodite, because she is coming from the sea foam.??

Different authors give different cosmogonies. In your version before Uranus and Gaea, there were Nyx and Erebos as the second rulers of the universe. And from them came Aither and Hemera, like from darkness light is manifested. And before them Chaos alone as the first ruler. I think the Protogenoi are more conceptual powers than deities. Uranus is the personification of the sky, Zeus rules over the sky. Like the crown is the sky and Jupiter rules over the crown.
Thanks for explaining about Uranus-Zeus ration.I will do more research to the subject myself since I didn't evem know about Nyx and Herebos !
Thanks again for the answer!!
 
OK, I'm very interested but quite confused, and I'm OK with that. After all, I am very new to all this.

With that said, is Saturn a he or she? I 'think' I read Saturn being referred as both on different posts.

Thanks,
Nammu :D
 
Cathy said:
OK, I'm very interested but quite confused, and I'm OK with that. After all, I am very new to all this.

With that said, is Saturn a he or she? I 'think' I read Saturn being referred as both on different posts.

Thanks,
Nammu :D

Saturn is a planet, so there is no female gender involved, Saturn is masculine in the myths. His wife Rhea is feminine.
 
If you want to create some Saturnian qualities, like for example, discipline, you can do this without actually engaging the direct enrgies of Saturn with a square or something. Do martial arts, weight lifting, engage in a habit that requires your attention and long term discipline to become good at, and so forth. This teaches Saturnian qualities which can come to your rescue, without necessarily you having to deal with the unpleasant drawbacks from using spiritual means to do that.

Plus, nothing can really replace Saturn but actually doing what one has to do, ie, if you want discipline, the only way to discipline is to actually make it happen by building discipline on something. A reason why many people who are successful have martial arts background or military background is because these tend to teach people discipline. The same goes for meditation and doing meditation a daily basis, this builds resolve and discipline.
 
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
If you want to create some Saturnian qualities, like for example, discipline, you can do this without actually engaging the direct enrgies of Saturn with a square or something. Do martial arts, weight lifting, engage in a habit that requires your attention and long term discipline to become good at, and so forth. This teaches Saturnian qualities which can come to your rescue, without necessarily you having to deal with the unpleasant drawbacks from using spiritual means to do that.

Plus, nothing can really replace Saturn but actually doing what one has to do, ie, if you want discipline, the only way to discipline is to actually make it happen by building discipline on something. A reason why many people who are successful have martial arts background or military background is because these tend to teach people discipline. The same goes for meditation and doing meditation a daily basis, this builds resolve and discipline.

Can working hard at a challenging career also develop this? I have recently started working in a new field and am trying to work as far up as I can get, and I wanted to know how this might affect my spiritual development (assuming I give myself enough time to meditate, do RTRs, etc.)
 
Some of these names and words seem like they'd make good mantras. What would I use these for? Also is th in ancient Greek hard or soft?
 
Nammu said:
OK, I'm very interested but quite confused, and I'm OK with that. After all, I am very new to all this.

With that said, is Saturn a he or she? I 'think' I read Saturn being referred as both on different posts.

Thanks,
Nammu :D
If this comes from me I am sorry ,I have the bad habit of using he/she when I am referring to planets because it doesn't feel right to me.You see in greek if someone wants to talk about the god Saturn he names him Kronos,so does for the planet,the planet in Saturn in greek is Called Kronos too.Same goes for Mercury (Hermes) ,Venus (Aphrodite), Jupiter (Zeus),Mars (Arhs) and Neptune (Poseidon).
The truth is they are genderless.They are just planets not people.
 
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
satanama666 said:
i tried to search the lythian fields on google but i didn't find them
could you give us a link?

This is because I made a mistake in the locale. These are the Lethean Springs, not Lethean fields. The Lythean spring was in Hades in mythology.

I corrected the sermon, thank you.
i only found a deviantart image this time
are you sure you don't mean the river lethe?
 
HailVictory88 said:
HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
If you want to create some Saturnian qualities, like for example, discipline, you can do this without actually engaging the direct enrgies of Saturn with a square or something. Do martial arts, weight lifting, engage in a habit that requires your attention and long term discipline to become good at, and so forth. This teaches Saturnian qualities which can come to your rescue, without necessarily you having to deal with the unpleasant drawbacks from using spiritual means to do that.

Plus, nothing can really replace Saturn but actually doing what one has to do, ie, if you want discipline, the only way to discipline is to actually make it happen by building discipline on something. A reason why many people who are successful have martial arts background or military background is because these tend to teach people discipline. The same goes for meditation and doing meditation a daily basis, this builds resolve and discipline.

Can working hard at a challenging career also develop this? I have recently started working in a new field and am trying to work as far up as I can get, and I wanted to know how this might affect my spiritual development (assuming I give myself enough time to meditate, do RTRs, etc.)

Yes you're still developing persistence and determination by being focused and comitted to your career.

With me career wise I have tended to lack balance because I feel like I give so much energy to work there's not much left for other things.

So yes be prioritised and organised slotting everything you need to get done into to your time schedule.
 
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
Saturn Chart Ruler is a good chart ruler that makes one responsible, and can also defend from Saturnian perils due to an innate sense of responsibility, cause and effect, and also it makes you motivated in general to go after your goals and succeed.

Saturn is not a monster. Indeed, Saturn is not an evil planet, if one works cleverly on the side of Saturn. Saturn is the King maker of the ancient world, and is a very important planet, related to the Sun in Kingship.
 
Stormblood said:
Are the five rivers also related to the five energy currents? Prana, apana, vyana... etc.

In essence the five Vayus are corresponding to the 5 elements, but they are not the same. Likewise the rivers correspond not to the elements, nor to the Vayus, but they parellel their larger inner meanings.

The thing is translation ruins things quite frequently. Lethe or Lythean or whatever is all the same thing by the way. Its just the anglicizing of spellings can cause confusion in English.
 
Gear88 said:
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HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
Saturn Chart Ruler is a good chart ruler that makes one responsible, and can also defend from Saturnian perils due to an innate sense of responsibility, cause and effect, and also it makes you motivated in general to go after your goals and succeed.

Saturn is not a monster. Indeed, Saturn is not an evil planet, if one works cleverly on the side of Saturn. Saturn is the King maker of the ancient world, and is a very important planet, related to the Sun in Kingship.

Let us be clear also that the less one is accustomed and responsible, Saturn will cause more and more problems to someone. A lot of times Saturn will cause devastation and ruin, on things that were on loose grounds in the first place.

Strong things can persist through Saturn,but may be maimed. Also, this process can guide the improvement of something, and show the leaks of a ship.

If there are too many leaks for too long Saturn sinks it.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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