Question regarding cat vaccination.

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Question regarding cat vaccination.

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Should I vaccinate my cat ? Is it necessary or vital to vaccinate my cat ?
If so, how often should I vaccinate my cat ?
The vet recommends vaccinating the cat once, then after a month and then yearly vaccinations thereafter.

My cat was a stray one and I haven't vaccinated it over 2-3 months. None of us have contracted any disease but my family fears that such a situation won't remain constant in the future i.e. we could catch diseases from the cat.
I have been giving it raw chicken meat mixed with egg yolk,eggshell powder and vitamin and plan to give the same food throughout her lifetime.
She is an indoor cat and I don't allow her to go outside for fear of pregnancy.

I won't hesitate to vaccinate if its good for the cat's health and ours but at the same time I am wary of vaccines ever since corona. I feel like vaccines are industrialized or that it affects the cat badly in ways we couldn't know of.
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Vaccines for cats are safe. They have not used cat vaccines as weapons, the way they have with human vaccines. It is a good idea, because it is common for cats to get sick.
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Ol argedco luciftias wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:13 am
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Username wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:17 pm
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Please read: https://catinfo.org/vaccines-for-cats-w ... ccinating/

As you describe with your vet visit, the industry tries to act like pets' immune systems are wildly different than humans, particularly in regard to their memory. This is not true, but this serves as the basis for vaccinating your cat yearly when they don't need it.

That is good that you feed your cat good food. Just make sure it is balanced and contains enough water. One has to replicate everything a cat gets from a bird or mouse. Canned wet food is a good substitute for those lack the time to make their food. Dry food and treats should not be used at all, if possible.

There are pros and cons to keeping the cat indoors. Some of the cons include her not getting fresh air and sun, time alone from a noisy house, or the entertainment value of the outdoors. In addition, less time will be needed to play with them or clean their litter box.

Pros include not having to spay/neuter or vaccinate the cat, and probably no need to put flea and tick medicine either. In addition, while it is good for them to eat natural food, occasionally they can get parasites that require OTC medicine application.

The best of both worlds would include some sort of balcony or cat box that can be placed in a window.

I would recommend all cat owners read the entirety of catinfo.org. Do not forget that acupuncture for pets is quickly growing and available in many places.
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Re: Question regarding cat vaccination.

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Ol argedco luciftias wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:13 am
Vaccines for cats are safe. They have not used cat vaccines as weapons, the way they have with human vaccines. It is a good idea, because it is common for cats to get sick.
Blitzkreig wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:25 am
Ol argedco luciftias wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:13 am
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Username wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:17 pm
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Please read: https://catinfo.org/vaccines-for-cats-w ... ccinating/

As you describe with your vet visit, the industry tries to act like pets' immune systems are wildly different than humans, particularly in regard to their memory. This is not true, but this serves as the basis for vaccinating your cat yearly when they don't need it.

That is good that you feed your cat good food. Just make sure it is balanced and contains enough water. One has to replicate everything a cat gets from a bird or mouse. Canned wet food is a good substitute for those lack the time to make their food. Dry food and treats should not be used at all, if possible.

There are pros and cons to keeping the cat indoors. Some of the cons include her not getting fresh air and sun, time alone from a noisy house, or the entertainment value of the outdoors. In addition, less time will be needed to play with them or clean their litter box.

Pros include not having to spay/neuter or vaccinate the cat, and probably no need to put flea and tick medicine either. In addition, while it is good for them to eat natural food, occasionally they can get parasites that require OTC medicine application.

The best of both worlds would include some sort of balcony or cat box that can be placed in a window.

I would recommend all cat owners read the entirety of catinfo.org. Do not forget that acupuncture for pets is quickly growing and available in many places.
I thank you both for your time, patience and answer. I will consider and give it thought before I decide.
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Username wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:17 pm
Blitzkreig wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:25 am

Congratulations on adopting a stray cat! I did the same. :-)

Our vet is experienced, a good person, and loves animals. He recommends the first two vaccinations, then yearly thereafter.

It's great to have the kitty inside! There is a lot of debate about this, but it is clear that cats should not be let out unattended. If you are interested in the arguments, I will post a link. It is in Hungarian, but can be translated from Hungarian to English using the program DeepL. I bought a harness and leash for the cat (2-3 meter long leash is ideal). And I bought an ultrasonic, chemical-free parasite alarm pendant (against parasites, so it is also good against the jews :-) ). It's called TickLess Mini. So we can go out for walks in the yard. There are some good options: enclosed run, cat television (bird feeder in front of the window), etc.

Spaying is definitely recommended! Let me know if you're interested and I'll send you a summary of that too.

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich wrote that you need dry food as well as wet: "Cats DO need their dry food. Good dry cat food contains nutrients that are essential for cats, that a cat cannot obtain from a meat only diet."

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High Priestess Shannon recommended this site:

https://www.allthebestpetcare.com/produ ... pet-foods/

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I found the Farmina N&D dry food brand on allthebestpetcare, my cat loves it. Her wet food is organic Herrmann's menu. Full menu, so lots of good quality meat and the right ratio of fruit/veggies. Reward snack for now is the American brand Temptations, recommended by a forum member here.

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Dark Lawyer wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:33 pm

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich wrote that you need dry food as well as wet: "Cats DO need their dry food. Good dry cat food contains nutrients that are essential for cats, that a cat cannot obtain from a meat only diet."

(viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12318)

High Priestess Shannon recommended this site:

https://www.allthebestpetcare.com/produ ... pet-foods/

(viewtopic.php?f=16&t=691)

I found the Farmina N&D dry food brand on allthebestpetcare, my cat loves it. Her wet food is organic Herrmann's menu. Full menu, so lots of good quality meat and the right ratio of fruit/veggies. Reward snack for now is the American brand Temptations, recommended by a forum member here.

(viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12094&p=187195&hil ... ns#p187195)
Just to be clear, HPS Maxine was comparing dry food versus meat. In this case, the dry food has been supplemented with nutrients besides just animal meat. Cats eat more than animal meat, rather they eat the whole mouse, including the organs, skin, fur, bones, and so on. Therefore, giving them just chicken breast is not suitable.

However, commercial wet food, which is more than just meat, contains a well-rounded nutritional blend comparable to what dry food does. The difference between wet food (not meat) and dry food, is that wet food is much better for them, for a variety of reasons:

-Includes more water in the food (Cats have a low thirst drive)
-Generally better protein sources and less grains
-Outperforms dry food at similar cost
-Hasn't been baked into absolute oblivion, removing lots of nutrition value (regardless of what the dry food originated as)
-Less likely to be sprayed with chemical flavor additives (although not entirely free of them). This is akin the flavor additives sprayed onto Doritos, which stimulate an artificial response in the brain (leading to increased eating behavior)

Additionally, cats are obligate carnivores, and therefore have no need for fruit, vegetables, grains, legumes, etc. I am sure you understand that cats do not "hunt" for carrots in their local environment, therefore they don't need it as 25% of their food. This is just an advertising meme to drive down costs.

So what HPS Maxine was really saying is that cats need a balanced diet, not a meat-only diet. This is shown by the context of her post.

There is nothing that dry food has that well-balanced wet food does not offer, either. Do keep in mind, it is very possible to make nutritionally inadequate, home-made "wet" food for cats, because you have to substitute for everything they would get from a whole mouse, or whole rabbit, or whole bird.
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Dark Lawyer wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:33 pm

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I found the Farmina N&D dry food brand on allthebestpetcare, my cat loves it. Her wet food is organic Herrmann's menu. Full menu, so lots of good quality meat and the right ratio of fruit/veggies. Reward snack for now is the American brand Temptations, recommended by a forum member here.

(viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12094&p=187195&hil ... ns#p187195)
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Blitzkreig wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:39 pm
Just to be clear, HPS Maxine was comparing dry food versus meat. In this case, the dry food has been supplemented with nutrients besides just animal meat. Cats eat more than animal meat, rather they eat the whole mouse, including the organs, skin, fur, bones, and so on. Therefore, giving them just chicken breast is not suitable.

However, commercial wet food, which is more than just meat, contains a well-rounded nutritional blend comparable to what dry food does. The difference between wet food (not meat) and dry food, is that wet food is much better for them, for a variety of reasons:

-Includes more water in the food (Cats have a low thirst drive)
-Generally better protein sources and less grains
-Outperforms dry food at similar cost
-Hasn't been baked into absolute oblivion, removing lots of nutrition value (regardless of what the dry food originated as)
-Less likely to be sprayed with chemical flavor additives (although not entirely free of them). This is akin the flavor additives sprayed onto Doritos, which stimulate an artificial response in the brain (leading to increased eating behavior)

Additionally, cats are obligate carnivores, and therefore have no need for fruit, vegetables, grains, legumes, etc. I am sure you understand that cats do not "hunt" for carrots in their local environment, therefore they don't need it as 25% of their food. This is just an advertising meme to drive down costs.

So what HPS Maxine was really saying is that cats need a balanced diet, not a meat-only diet. This is shown by the context of her post.

There is nothing that dry food has that well-balanced wet food does not offer, either. Do keep in mind, it is very possible to make nutritionally inadequate, home-made "wet" food for cats, because you have to substitute for everything they would get from a whole mouse, or whole rabbit, or whole bird.
Your post was useful, thank you! The company I buy my wet food from says the same thing: you don't need dry food with the wet complete menu.

They also say that cats are obligate carnivores and need 90-95% meat.They also need 5-10% fibre, which is vegetables/fruit. (I assume for digestion, nutrient utilization.) Herrmann's menu is also usually 96% meat.

Then it is possible that I am reducing the dry food. I currently give 2x15 grams a day. I buy the grain free type of Farmina N&D, a specialised food for neutered cats. I may reduce it to 2x10 grams per day. I think the crunching is good for the teeth.
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