Or is the working fucked?
Can I do the runic vibrations mentally for a day?
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The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Zevios Metathronos 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Zevios Metathronos 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Or is the working fucked?
No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.
Thanks for the answers everyone. I still don't know what I can do that day but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
As said, mentally still works and if you can do a whisper/vibrating words as quiet possible then even better. I have had to do this myself and faced no problems in feeling the energy and having the results I wanted.
It helps to fully focus on feeling the vibrations.
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"In the darkness we have found strength, with which we will reach the highest light." - High Priest Zevios Metathronos
Hail Zeus
Hail Ninurta
Yoga for Men by High Priestess Lydia Coventina https://ancient-forums.com/threads/yoga-for-men.307901/
The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Zevios Metathronos 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Zevios Metathronos 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Or is the working fucked?
No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.
Thanks for the answers everyone. I still don't know what I can do that day but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
As said, mentally still works and if you can do a whisper/vibrating words as quiet possible then even better. I have had to do this myself and faced no problems in feeling the energy and having the results I wanted.
It helps to fully focus on feeling the vibrations.
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The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Zevios Metathronos 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Zevios Metathronos 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Or is the working fucked?
No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.
Thanks for the answers everyone. I still don't know what I can do that day but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
As said, mentally still works and if you can do a whisper/vibrating words as quiet possible then even better. I have had to do this myself and faced no problems in feeling the energy and having the results I wanted.
It helps to fully focus on feeling the vibrations.
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"In the darkness we have found strength, with which we will reach the highest light." - High Priest Zevios Metathronos
Hail Zeus
Hail Ninurta
Yoga for Men by High Priestess Lydia Coventina https://ancient-forums.com/threads/yoga-for-men.307901/
The clergy has spoken in the past about mental vibrations.
HP Zevios Metathronos 1: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18852
HP Zevios Metathronos 2: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p18853
HP Mageson: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3249#p19090Yes, but you got to remember, the discussion was never about the difference in power. So that part doesn't matter. We already know and agree sound is more powerful. That's obvious.
But nonetheless the topics you posted do indeed prove my point.
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Or is the working fucked?
No it's not. You're good. Finish the working. As it was clearly pointed out you still raised energy. It's just not as strong if you would have done it loudly but you still raised something at least for that day. Do your best to do it loudly (as in not mentally) from now on to get best results possible.
Thanks for the answers everyone. I still don't know what I can do that day but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
As said, mentally still works and if you can do a whisper/vibrating words as quiet possible then even better. I have had to do this myself and faced no problems in feeling the energy and having the results I wanted.
It helps to fully focus on feeling the vibrations.
but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
Nope, not a problem. Good luck!
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
It would just have less power , (not ideal), but wouldn’t be nullified. The reason planetary squares can easily be nullified is because they’re tied in heavily with numbers. It’s like a roller coaster on the tracks and if you use the wrong number they go off tracks and it’s over. Death to the working. The way squares work is strategic use of numbers to amplify energy quickly based on metaphysics. If you miss a day or vibrate the wrong number, the strategy being used is done. You can’t continue, youre off the tracks now but the energy raised prior to the fuck up doesn’t just disappear. It’s still there. That’s probably a confusion some people have. But key with squares is numbers so even with mental vibrations or soft whisper and mental vibrations, if the numbers are used right, then we’re still on the tracks and the ride is still going.
There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Very true, it’s witchcraft 101. Raise energy, program, direct. A working is only ruined if one of these isn’t present. (With planetary squares, as I said if the numbers are off, then the energy can’t be raised further. Thus we’re missing step one and it’s ruined) but aside from that, mental vibrations or soft whispers added still raise energy and a person shouldn’t panic and discontinue the working. Especially if they’re a ways into it. They should continue.
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but a mix of whisper and vibrations is possible which I guess is not a problem at all to the working.
Nope, not a problem. Good luck!
And what do you think a disturbance in the power output part-way through a working would do to said working?
It would just have less power , (not ideal), but wouldn’t be nullified. The reason planetary squares can easily be nullified is because they’re tied in heavily with numbers. It’s like a roller coaster on the tracks and if you use the wrong number they go off tracks and it’s over. Death to the working. The way squares work is strategic use of numbers to amplify energy quickly based on metaphysics. If you miss a day or vibrate the wrong number, the strategy being used is done. You can’t continue, youre off the tracks now but the energy raised prior to the fuck up doesn’t just disappear. It’s still there. That’s probably a confusion some people have. But key with squares is numbers so even with mental vibrations or soft whisper and mental vibrations, if the numbers are used right, then we’re still on the tracks and the ride is still going.
There is no need to stop a working especially if one is already far into it. Energy is raised regardless in this situation. The results will still manifest and I speak from experience.
Very true, it’s witchcraft 101. Raise energy, program, direct. A working is only ruined if one of these isn’t present. (With planetary squares, as I said if the numbers are off, then the energy can’t be raised further. Thus we’re missing step one and it’s ruined) but aside from that, mental vibrations or soft whispers added still raise energy and a person shouldn’t panic and discontinue the working. Especially if they’re a ways into it. They should continue.
Thanks for pulling these up. He was very adamant on keeping his stance so I didn't bother: stating that mental vibrations are equal to actual chanting vibration. There's only so many times you can say something past a point you'll be repeating the same thing over and over. There's only so much time in a day.
Well, I never said that. So confusion...
But I explained myself rationally. In fact as I pointed out, the threads he posted actually prove my point. The only point I made was a day or two of mental vibrations won’t ruin a working. I explained why. Never said it was as powerful. This is why you’re confused. So I hope it’s cleared up now.Sort this condescending attitude out though. I explained myself, something you couldn’t do only admitting over and over your thoughts were opinion and declaring yourself right. That doesn’t fly here. I backed my arguments and explained how it works. It’s not rocket science.
Okay.. In summation of this thread, we both agree that the power will be weaker if OP switches to a mental vibration halfway through the working. I declared myself right based on the JoS info, drew a conclusion based on the consistency that needs to be maintained for a working. A dump, and drop does not equate consistency. I guess you’ve taken a flexible approach whereas I’ve taken a strict one.
Re-assessing the whole argument, my own opinion was that the working would be ruined, due to a lack of energy raised. In fact I backed this up in my previous answer, with links. The 3 steps of witchcraft state that step one is energy raising, NOWHERE does it state on the website that raising energy with mental vibrations is one way to do so. So I’ve never done so myself.
If you or OP have been successful in feeling energy being raised with mentally vibrating words, then thats another matter and digress. Another member stated success doing this, so I guess there’s proof at this point.
My honest stance which I proved and explained in my previous replies was that OP would have had to raise energy in some other silent way, through methods stated on the JOS(Breathing exercises, tai chi, qigong, yoga), this energy raised would have to level the previous day, THEN proceeded with mental vibrations.
The above was not an “opinion”, but was to allow OP to not drop the consistency in the power of their working. Making it a straight line with no dumping.
My argument on whether it was totally ruined was that the drop in energy raised would be to low to go on. This was based on the facts I mentioned above.
The working having taken a drop, I’m holding the idea that this would be considered a skipped day, again based on the JoS info. If alternative methods had been confirmed on the site itself, or previous threads had mentioned such with HP’s approval, I’d be fully open arms on what you stated. But nowhere does it state changing a working can still lead to success on the site, it only mentions consistency and not skipping days. Which is why I stated this method falls under experimentation.
A member pointed out success and yourself included, so I can digress and retract though. My own recommendation (this is the approach mentioned on the JoS) , in trying to keep the energy consistently the same is to raise energy first to make sure it is as strong as a previous day of vibrating the word, then proceeding to mentally vibrate the word of power. This is ensures the working doesn’t take a dump or drop halfway through.
If you have had success with the change, and other members too, then all the best. It’s the first time I’ve heard this mentioned, that mentally vibrating raises energy. It sure would be much weaker. The weakness in the raised energy in this way, I believe the dump and drop would be too low to be considered effective or acceptable, in the workings progression. Had OP started with this method then of course that’s another matter.
I myself wouldn’t take the risk and if privacy issues were extreme I would proceed with raising energy in a silent way first(tai chi, qigong, yoga, breathing exercises) then mentally vibrate. This is a more sure way. OP can take or leave what I’ve stated though since you and another member have had success with just the mental vibration.
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Thanks for pulling these up. He was very adamant on keeping his stance so I didn't bother: stating that mental vibrations are equal to actual chanting vibration. There's only so many times you can say something past a point you'll be repeating the same thing over and over. There's only so much time in a day.
Well, I never said that. So confusion...
But I explained myself rationally. In fact as I pointed out, the threads he posted actually prove my point. The only point I made was a day or two of mental vibrations won’t ruin a working. I explained why. Never said it was as powerful. This is why you’re confused. So I hope it’s cleared up now.Sort this condescending attitude out though. I explained myself, something you couldn’t do only admitting over and over your thoughts were opinion and declaring yourself right. That doesn’t fly here. I backed my arguments and explained how it works. It’s not rocket science.
Okay.. In summation of this thread, we both agree that the power will be weaker if OP switches to a mental vibration halfway through the working. I declared myself right based on the JoS info, drew a conclusion based on the consistency that needs to be maintained for a working. A dump, and drop does not equate consistency. I guess you’ve taken a flexible approach whereas I’ve taken a strict one.
Re-assessing the whole argument, my own opinion was that the working would be ruined, due to a lack of energy raised. In fact I backed this up in my previous answer, with links. The 3 steps of witchcraft state that step one is energy raising, NOWHERE does it state on the website that raising energy with mental vibrations is one way to do so. So I’ve never done so myself.
If you or OP have been successful in feeling energy being raised with mentally vibrating words, then thats another matter and digress. Another member stated success doing this, so I guess there’s proof at this point.
My honest stance which I proved and explained in my previous replies was that OP would have had to raise energy in some other silent way, through methods stated on the JOS(Breathing exercises, tai chi, qigong, yoga), this energy raised would have to level the previous day, THEN proceeded with mental vibrations.
The above was not an “opinion”, but was to allow OP to not drop the consistency in the power of their working. Making it a straight line with no dumping.
My argument on whether it was totally ruined was that the drop in energy raised would be to low to go on. This was based on the facts I mentioned above.
The working having taken a drop, I’m holding the idea that this would be considered a skipped day, again based on the JoS info. If alternative methods had been confirmed on the site itself, or previous threads had mentioned such with HP’s approval, I’d be fully open arms on what you stated. But nowhere does it state changing a working can still lead to success on the site, it only mentions consistency and not skipping days. Which is why I stated this method falls under experimentation.
A member pointed out success and yourself included, so I can digress and retract though. My own recommendation (this is the approach mentioned on the JoS) , in trying to keep the energy consistently the same is to raise energy first to make sure it is as strong as a previous day of vibrating the word, then proceeding to mentally vibrate the word of power. This is ensures the working doesn’t take a dump or drop halfway through.
If you have had success with the change, and other members too, then all the best. It’s the first time I’ve heard this mentioned, that mentally vibrating raises energy. It sure would be much weaker. The weakness in the raised energy in this way, I believe the dump and drop would be too low to be considered effective or acceptable, in the workings progression. Had OP started with this method then of course that’s another matter.
I myself wouldn’t take the risk and if privacy issues were extreme I would proceed with raising energy in a silent way first(tai chi, qigong, yoga, breathing exercises) then mentally vibrate. This is a more sure way. OP can take or leave what I’ve stated though since you and another member have had success with just the mental vibration.
How do I explain this? If you're building a building and you make a part of it weaker, it will get damaged fast. If it's a foundational part of the building, then the building may collapse altogether. Consider that here we're not talking about 1, 2, 10 or 20% weaker. We're talking about 90% weaker and more than that, depending on the person.
Nearly the same power output is needed everyday for this type of magickal workings (not squares). So, in order to avoid issues with the working, one would have to raise the same quantity of energies. This can be done with asana and pranayama too, of course. But shouldn't be done for more than a day, as that would cause the energies of the mantra to start dissipating. To make a comparison with astrology, keeping up with the same quality of energies is like the planet being direct. When you change the type of energies for a day, is like the planet going stationary. If you keep up the change for longer, then it's like the planet going retrograde. Some of the energies of the mantra will dissipate, until you "go direct" again.
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How do I explain this? If you're building a building and you make a part of it weaker, it will get damaged fast. If it's a foundational part of the building, then the building may collapse altogether. Consider that here we're not talking about 1, 2, 10 or 20% weaker. We're talking about 90% weaker and more than that, depending on the person.
Nearly the same power output is needed everyday for this type of magickal workings (not squares). So, in order to avoid issues with the working, one would have to raise the same quantity of energies. This can be done with asana and pranayama too, of course. But shouldn't be done for more than a day, as that would cause the energies of the mantra to start dissipating. To make a comparison with astrology, keeping up with the same quality of energies is like the planet being direct. When you change the type of energies for a day, is like the planet going stationary. If you keep up the change for longer, then it's like the planet going retrograde. Some of the energies of the mantra will dissipate, until you "go direct" again.