About the use of the word ‘ Delusion ´ in forum, and downplaying and diluting claims for peace of mind

[Beauty]

Sorry for ranting in this message, but i think i should leave it this way, since it did not cross a disrespect threshold i believe, it was respectful, just a little blunt

I want to criticize a thing in forum, its overuse of delusion word, i believe delusion is one of the best tells that one is too open, but delusion the way it is framed in forum it is very bad, and whats worst is the whole forum is framing everything because of this word, it became like a bad thoughtform,

When we trying to know our guardian God, we are encouraged to be too open, to the point seing an animal is a sign, and 1 sign is enough. Through this we managed to know our Guardian Gods, and anyone not being able to do that is encouraged to meditate and cultivate the openess, but once we are past that step, then the opposite is recommended, openess becomes synonymous of delusion.

If one does an exercise wrong and experience magnificent effects, now he is delusional, no!

That in fact is very good, that members is very very open to the point that he can get result even with wrong exercise, that is very good, it means when he does the exercise good this will be very good,

Those in fact are people who experience such things as miraculous healings etc because of that openess,

Before i forget, this thoughtform of delusion cause me problems in visualization before, i used to sit to visualize my aura is bright and my chakras is bright only to have trouble visualisinng that since ‘ i am just a new member right? I do not think the aura is that bright’

This i struggled with for weeks before realising i was trapped,

Visualisation is in fact delusion, and delusion is reality, thats the concept of visualization, stoicism is delusion, the bad delusion i will talk about in end of thread.

So when one lacks money and visualize is having good amount of money and affirms that, THIS IS PURE DELUSION HE IS NOT HAVING THAT AND DOING IT!!!!

So there is ni such thing as delusion in spiritualitt and this has to stop. ( besides the delusion that i will talk about in end of thread)

What is trance ?

Trance is lowering the conscious mind grab to be more open, so when one is open thats very good, calling people delusional constantly and having that thoughtform watch over members, cause rigidity, and that rigidity makes one not open, and makes one experience experience sabotage,

I got surprised and alarmed the moment i stumbled across a local spiritual person who talked about communication with Gods,

And he told me that even if i feel the answer i got is imagination i should write it on paper and when having a paragraph trying to get meaning out of it, this is encouraging openness, a thread of HPZM talks about imagination being level 1 of communication, but because of the delusional thoughform this level is not recognized in forum, so why is it level 1 in the first place ?

There is no such thing as delusion, there is openness, delusion is complete different matter not whats constantly mentioned in forum.

Before i explain real delusion, i will add a thing, in my culture, it is a MUST when going to someone with the Gods, to go with an openness, if one goes rigid, he is deemed lowly, and the spiritual person many times pick on this, and sometimes some of them get triggered, since its looked at as lack of faith and disrespect,

On top of that, i saw in forum its not encouraged to say meditation heals everything, this is the thought form of delusion taking over and manipulating forum decisions, i am pointing out to it,

There is a loophole to the above, is God valefor capable of healing everything yes or no, its a yes.

I understand the other aspect of this, the clergy do not want to deal with constant mzssages of : if this is real why i did not get healed etc. And i understand that the clergy put restrictions to avoid those kind of messages and energy,

But i beleive this has to be solved in a another way instead, for example explaining how the Gods can perform miraculous healings, same as meditations, but if one does not experience that, it means he should be more open, be more advanced, and so on, or adviced to meditate more or use a mantra or whatever, this has been done before with the example HPZM gave with moving radio with a paper.

But there is no way out of this in forum besides constant posts about those kind of things, and it can serve as a way to boost engagement i. vultus or in temple of zeus etc, for example, for the ones who have been experiencing less this and this, there is a next schedule to clear this and this, this may impact this and this, etc..

Members have needs, those needs should not be countred by delusion thoughtform or by downplaying the results and lowering expectations, instead those needs should be channeled into engagement and it will also push members to be even more dedicated.

Another example i love in my culture, its believe 100% when one is a disciple of the Gods, that it is abnormal if his life is not in order, the answer is always:

-You may be with enemy entity and think you are with Gods

-If you are with the real Gods, its impossible that its not apparent, so there may be bad entity tied to you or interference or whatever = perform cleaning.

-You are not reaching out to them, you are not doing what you should be doing, if a God is helping you, and you made an agreement, you should fulfill that and keep honoring him, you should keep the rituals going so that you keep the relation going etc..

Usually the above is whats mentioned, and its considered abnormal to not see positive effects,

But in ToZ i noticed the delusional thoughtform is taking over, results are diluted, simple exercises like visualising without the help of Gods can be miraculous, and in forum i find something that involves the Gods only to find in results : improved mood, feeling third eye throbbing, feeling energy of God, lightness , etc..

Those are basic, i strongly believe whats truly happening is more extreme than this, this is 100% diluted because of the pressure of members started questioning why they did not experience this and that..

The bad delusions are not delusions, they are result of lacking discernment, which is result of ignorance,

So there is a big difference between openness that can sound like delusion, and the true delusion,

For example a member experience something psychological due to openness and is called delusional, NO!

This is not delusion, he DID have the experience, but it was psychological, he DID have it, its not that he lost sanity or is delusional, he failed at having the best interpretation, which is psychological in this case,

Delusion is a lot different, i see labeling members delusional as a lazy way of coming off as smart, when lacking the knowledge or discernment or experience needed to really know what happened, so its easy to just say : ´look! Another delusional one!´

No , explain to us, why you think he is delusional? Why he experienced what he experienced ? What are reasons behind this ? What are ‘the tells’ that show this is psychological ( not delusion, psychological means it was real for the member). I saw a reply once of the head of Guardians blitz, i liked it since he explained ‘the tells’ and did not just say its delusional. Same for HPZM he does that all the time, he explains possible reasons etc..

Real bad delusional is literally being crazy, i find it hard to even come up with an example.

I do not know if you got my idea, and sorry for coming out as harsh.

 

[Zētētēs Lugh'Allein]

Sorry for ranting in this message, but i think i should leave it this way, since it did not cross a disrespect threshold i believe, it was respectful, just a little blunt

I want to criticize a thing in forum, its overuse of delusion word, i believe delusion is one of the best tells that one is too open, but delusion the way it is framed in forum it is very bad, and whats worst is the whole forum is framing everything because of this word, it became like a bad thoughtform,

When we trying to know our guardian God, we are encouraged to be too open, to the point seing an animal is a sign, and 1 sign is enough. Through this we managed to know our Guardian Gods, and anyone not being able to do that is encouraged to meditate and cultivate the openess, but once we are past that step, then the opposite is recommended, openess becomes synonymous of delusion.

If one does an exercise wrong and experience magnificent effects, now he is delusional, no!

That in fact is very good, that members is very very open to the point that he can get result even with wrong exercise, that is very good, it means when he does the exercise good this will be very good,

Those in fact are people who experience such things as miraculous healings etc because of that openess,

Before i forget, this thoughtform of delusion cause me problems in visualization before, i used to sit to visualize my aura is bright and my chakras is bright only to have trouble visualisinng that since ‘ i am just a new member right? I do not think the aura is that bright’

This i struggled with for weeks before realising i was trapped,

Visualisation is in fact delusion, and delusion is reality, thats the concept of visualization, stoicism is delusion, the bad delusion i will talk about in end of thread.

So when one lacks money and visualize is having good amount of money and affirms that, THIS IS PURE DELUSION HE IS NOT HAVING THAT AND DOING IT!!!!

So there is ni such thing as delusion in spiritualitt and this has to stop. ( besides the delusion that i will talk about in end of thread)

What is trance ?

Trance is lowering the conscious mind grab to be more open, so when one is open thats very good, calling people delusional constantly and having that thoughtform watch over members, cause rigidity, and that rigidity makes one not open, and makes one experience experience sabotage,

I got surprised and alarmed the moment i stumbled across a local spiritual person who talked about communication with Gods,

And he told me that even if i feel the answer i got is imagination i should write it on paper and when having a paragraph trying to get meaning out of it, this is encouraging openness, a thread of HPZM talks about imagination being level 1 of communication, but because of the delusional thoughform this level is not recognized in forum, so why is it level 1 in the first place ?

There is no such thing as delusion, there is openness, delusion is complete different matter not whats constantly mentioned in forum.

Before i explain real delusion, i will add a thing, in my culture, it is a MUST when going to someone with the Gods, to go with an openness, if one goes rigid, he is deemed lowly, and the spiritual person many times pick on this, and sometimes some of them get triggered, since its looked at as lack of faith and disrespect,

On top of that, i saw in forum its not encouraged to say meditation heals everything, this is the thought form of delusion taking over and manipulating forum decisions, i am pointing out to it,

There is a loophole to the above, is God valefor capable of healing everything yes or no, its a yes.

I understand the other aspect of this, the clergy do not want to deal with constant mzssages of : if this is real why i did not get healed etc. And i understand that the clergy put restrictions to avoid those kind of messages and energy,

But i beleive this has to be solved in a another way instead, for example explaining how the Gods can perform miraculous healings, same as meditations, but if one does not experience that, it means he should be more open, be more advanced, and so on, or adviced to meditate more or use a mantra or whatever, this has been done before with the example HPZM gave with moving radio with a paper.

But there is no way out of this in forum besides constant posts about those kind of things, and it can serve as a way to boost engagement i. vultus or in temple of zeus etc, for example, for the ones who have been experiencing less this and this, there is a next schedule to clear this and this, this may impact this and this, etc..

Members have needs, those needs should not be countred by delusion thoughtform or by downplaying the results and lowering expectations, instead those needs should be channeled into engagement and it will also push members to be even more dedicated.

Another example i love in my culture, its believe 100% when one is a disciple of the Gods, that it is abnormal if his life is not in order, the answer is always:

-You may be with enemy entity and think you are with Gods

-If you are with the real Gods, its impossible that its not apparent, so there may be bad entity tied to you or interference or whatever = perform cleaning.

-You are not reaching out to them, you are not doing what you should be doing, if a God is helping you, and you made an agreement, you should fulfill that and keep honoring him, you should keep the rituals going so that you keep the relation going etc..

Usually the above is whats mentioned, and its considered abnormal to not see positive effects,

But in ToZ i noticed the delusional thoughtform is taking over, results are diluted, simple exercises like visualising without the help of Gods can be miraculous, and in forum i find something that involves the Gods only to find in results : improved mood, feeling third eye throbbing, feeling energy of God, lightness , etc..

Those are basic, i strongly believe whats truly happening is more extreme than this, this is 100% diluted because of the pressure of members started questioning why they did not experience this and that..

The bad delusions are not delusions, they are result of lacking discernment, which is result of ignorance,

So there is a big difference between openness that can sound like delusion, and the true delusion,

For example a member experience something psychological due to openness and is called delusional, NO!

This is not delusion, he DID have the experience, but it was psychological, he DID have it, its not that he lost sanity or is delusional, he failed at having the best interpretation, which is psychological in this case,

Delusion is a lot different, i see labeling members delusional as a lazy way of coming off as smart, when lacking the knowledge or discernment or experience needed to really know what happened, so its easy to just say : ´look! Another delusional one!´

No , explain to us, why you think he is delusional? Why he experienced what he experienced ? What are reasons behind this ? What are ‘the tells’ that show this is psychological ( not delusion, psychological means it was real for the member). I saw a reply once of the head of Guardians blitz, i liked it since he explained ‘the tells’ and did not just say its delusional. Same for HPZM he does that all the time, he explains possible reasons etc..

Real bad delusional is literally being crazy, i find it hard to even come up with an example.

I do not know if you got my idea, and sorry for coming out as harsh.

Several things.

First, a huge amount of discipline is needed to approach the God/dresses in the correct way They want - because the world encourages delusion. The world, corrupted with the "only one" rotten strand in the tapestry woven in by the yehuborim, encourages one electing oneself as the only one, the only God. It's true one has the potential to take the steps to become like a God but the proper steps need to be taken. But stepping up to the plate and arrogating the right to take, uneducated and with little to no experience in theurgy, the rights of the Gods from Their plate, is the path to nowhere that leads either to New Age paths that are out there, or complete withdrawal thinking "I am above the world, the Cosmos knows nothing compared to me, exit stage right." I am not saying this is you, just generically.

Second, this amount of discipline, rituals, etc. is valid, but only to the point where you reach EP (the end phenomenon, the final product, the golden Bitcoin flash drive we are all after lol). You achieve intimate communion with the Divine and, while this doesn't totally eliminate meditation, study of materials on here, etc., I found, anyway, that the need for these is reduced drastically. Much more than this I will not attempt to say, because most of it I just cannot put into words, it is that beautiful and inexpressible. Initiates needed to be guarded on the correct path to ensure they get here, and not be misguided into thinking that they have. This is not delusion so much as error and constant need for correction. Correction not in the negative sense, but correction is a part of all processes in life. Pull up a Forex candlestick chart for example, and you will never find it goes straight up, or down. It always goes up a little, down a little,... But always (if you have money in there you hope) follows and overall upward direction. The little mistakes will always be made; the only big ones one will make, is if you retreat to the aggregate of considerations, experiences, etc., within yourself, initiated and unguided, and concludes these dictate the only way. And it appears to me you are not doing that. That is the only path one could validly call "delusion". Many here use it as a label, I grant that. But, it's not meant that way by most people on here IMO so much as to blast people severely enmired in their own collection of considerations, experiences, etc., out of their shell and into truly experiencing for themselves everything the Gods have to offer.

Hope this has cleared things up a bit.