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About the change of Satan image on Jos main website

AvatarChar Aznable1 min to read

It seems that the image of Satan on Jos' main website has been changed recently. The picture on the left is the newly changed one, and the picture on the right is the original page.
I feel that the newly changed pictures are a bit weird. The old pictures can show the "handsomeness", "maturity" and "majesty" of Lord Satan, and are more artistic. Have the new version of the pictures been redrawn by AI? To be honest, it doesn’t feel as suitable as the previous pictures.
Of course, this is just my personal opinion. I don’t know what everyone else’s opinions are. Please express your opinions. Thank you all.

#20

The content update all-together is very good, but I will never adore an AI picture, I don't care. It's not something to use for holy art.

Why? What other limitations do you have for holy art? Are other digital tools off limits besides AI? Is only papyrus allowed for this?

Personally I don't see anything wrong with it if the accuracy and other metrics for success are met. Further, as HPZM explained, there was not an immediately viable avenue for this to be created if not through the AI.

#21

Agreeing with Blitz, VoE, and HP here. Personally I am just happy to have a more clear image of Father Zeus. I am still waiting for our artists to make more images of the Gods with the same level of quality. If we had them, we would use them.

At some point it would be nice to have actual artwork next to each God's name in the JoS websites, would really bring the life out. Nobody has done this yet, and I do not possess the ability to draw.

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#22

For me, I love and adore every essence of Satan`s images (depicted by HPS Pythia). Never ever will any AI in the world have authority over me to question it, even if it would declare itself as new god in the coming future.

High Priestess Pythia used art which was available to her at the time, to dispel the false xian idea that Satan looks like a red skinned horned monster.

The images that others had drawn were great for that purpose, but did come with some limitations, such as low resolution uploads and not all of the very few genuine artworks ever made about Satan being very accurate to Him.

Since we have more possibilities now, it is high time to upgrade this, which is what has been done. That is all.

Don't try to spin it as if High Priestess Pythia's work is being undermined here just because something is improved on for the better with the improved possibilities we have available today.

The most important thing, which has also always been High Priestess Pythia's intention, was to accurately depict Zeus and the Gods, to liberate the minds of people viewing the website from the false xian programming and slander regarding our Gods being ugly monsters.

Therefore, the important thing is accuracy so even the uninitiated can take a look at the website and see a very close image of Satan so that they can see Him for how He truly is.

I won't be replying further, since I have already explained this three different ways for you to understand, on besides the replies from High Priest Zevios and JG Blitzkreig. Any further reiteration wouldn't serve any purpose if the person reading has a pea brain...

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#23

If one wanted an adequate portrait of Satan one would have to resurrect Titian or Velazquez and put him in front of Satan himself unfortunately, however at the moment I don't think it is possible.

#24

Alright then, make a portrait like it's for a king, and someone should develop the abilities for this. That is the realistic case of the topic. If most paintings look like sketches of a lesser level, this is the limitation; I did not create the limitation, it is something that exists because of lack of patience from Artists to reach a level to be able to do this. Many are able, but resolve is needed to actually attain this. That is not something I decide.

Many said he is "thinking" when I mentioned that he looks "disgusted". Even on the AI pic, he still looks kinda sad, and the fact that he is not on "top", he is looking downwards, this is how I interpret it, the picture is inherently not perfect. He should be standing proud on top, as a winner, like on the picture you attached or the one where he is sitting on a globe in the center of a big coliseum.

If there is no able person for this, than that's it.
Anyways I'm okay with it, I just don't find it necessary to change it to the AI one. I don't think the meaning of the picture changed.

Why? What other limitations do you have for holy art? Are other digital tools off limits besides AI? Is only papyrus allowed for this?

I don't have much problem with digital art, as 90% of it is still human made (although you need much more talent for any other physical painting/drawing). The problem is it isn't assembled by a living being. You can have a pill, full of vitamins, nutritional value, and everything, which will give you everything you body needs, or you can have a beef steak with salad, which might even have less stuff then the pill.

Is artificial art or real art suits the Gods?

#25

Using AI to create "art" is ridiculous. It's not art, it's a pretty picture at best.

#26

I am waiting on the complainers here, to actually start taking the necessary painting classes and everything else necessitated for the changes of this topic.

Alternatively keep complaining and so on, but don't perceive that at the lack of actual work any opinion can be taken very seriously.

Being that seriously offended about a topic, it's now time to take art classes for the next 10 years needed, to make these portraits. I cannot do that too I am already doing 25 other things like a human terminator (Non-AI).

It's time except of setting "standards" to actually follow them also.

In Ancient Egypt, people who were High Priests and Pharaohs also had a pyramid. But let's not make standards about topics where those responsible for these don't want to do or achieve, as it's a waste of time.

Is artificial art or real art suits the Gods?

Granted I was overseeing the creation of this and I had to keep trying to explain to the AI what to do, for the most part, it was made via a form of labor and acceptance still. It took many attempts to reach an understanding and I had to study the AI a lot to see how it could attain the explained parameters etc.

I am not an artist, but an artistic tool was used and it was not just an "auto generation". Still, I am not an artist, so waiting for the standard setters to take the art classes etc.

#27

If I complain about the sewage to the people responsible for this, they won't tell me to be a sewage engineer and be helpful instead of just complaining.

And I'm not offended, and especially not seriously, because it's such a small detail. I don't even want my opinion to be considered, I'm just saying.

#28

I understand people's feelings about AI and art but this is NOT a time for it. High Priest Zevios Metathronos works like most people cannot comprehend FOR US. For people to shit on his efforts like he would put out something not good enough to honor Satan and uplift the JoS is so ungrateful and a horrible thing to do. Can you imagine how he feels? He gives his life for this, he loves and serves us, he presents us something he has spent hours on just to have people complain. It's not right.
I know it was nobodies intention to hurt him, and probably these complaints come from wanting the best for everything, but you have to think these things through before they come out like this. What he said about standards is spot on.
HP, the new image is great, far better than the previous one and is respectful and appreciative of Satan's nature. Thank you for your work :)

#29

If I complain about the sewage to the people responsible for this, they won't tell me to be a sewage engineer and be helpful instead of just complaining.

And I'm not offended, and especially not seriously, because it's such a small detail. I don't even want my opinion to be considered, I'm just saying.

Our opinion is influenced by our experience and knowledge of the world, so if someone is hypothetically asking you to imagine yourself as an engineer, this means to reflect more deeply on the work involved and factor that into your opinion.

If your opinion is putting a high standard on the work involved, yet no results would've materialized otherwise, then probably your opinion is overly harsh or putting excessive demands, hence why you were asked to reflect more on this.

In your analogy of the beef steak or cheaper substitute, this situation here is that the beef steak didn't exist. So in that sense, I don't see a reason to avoid the AI option, especially if HP says it is more accurate to Satan, plus more visibly appealing.

When JoS expands, we can hire new artists, but for JoS to expand well, it needs a proper representation of Satan, which I assume is why HPZM spent time on this.

#30

If I complain about the sewage to the people responsible for this, they won't tell me to be a sewage engineer and be helpful instead of just complaining.

And I'm not offended, and especially not seriously, because it's such a small detail. I don't even want my opinion to be considered, I'm just saying.

Other than what JG Blitz already replied to you, your comparison is way off the mark.

It's more like complaining about the sewage to the leader of your country, when the leader of your country and his minister for arts have already advertised for years the opportunity to produce artwork for the Gods. If after years, artists have not followed through, what are people complaining about exactly when the country leader had to do the work himself with a suitable tool?

A degree of realism is needed here, not blind complaints and rejection. Many people here would benefit taking classes about managing expectations, as expectations are 99.9% of the time at an unrealistic level whenever I read a complaint on this forum.

Before needlessly complaining, one needs to research very DEEPLY and inform themselves about what the requirements are for a given task, what's the skill level available, how much time to allocate to the task, what can be accomplished by that skill level available within the allocated time, and so on.

This here is just unnecessary whining in my opinion. Spend some months consistently training to learn painting and you'll understand how hard it can be to reach the required level beyond what AI currently does.

Also, spend some months analysing the psychology of human behaviour, and you'll understand why most people do not have wait it takes to develop any satisfactory level of skill. Many people think it's too much effort, and do not place the Gods in their rightful place as number 1 priority.

If they did, HPZM wouldn't have had to use AI for this. He would also not have to use backup plans for other situations.

It's easy to complain when you don't know what it takes to do something and what is possible and realistic. Many people will always be complainers rather than problem-solvers because of this mindset.

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#31

I prefer the new image. In the previous one, Father Zeus has this kind of weird expression that I see as disgust/upset that doesn't fit Him.

I think exactly the same, in the new image his facial expression looks much more detailed and natural.

#32

High Priestess Pythia used art which was available to her at the time, to dispel the false xian idea that Satan looks like a red skinned horned monster.

The images that others had drawn were great for that purpose, but did come with some limitations, such as low resolution uploads and not all of the very few genuine artworks ever made about Satan being very accurate to Him.

Since we have more possibilities now, it is high time to upgrade this, which is what has been done. That is all.

I can perfectly understand what you want people to know, and I reiterate that I do not mean (as already stated above) to undermine anyone`s benevolent work. In fact, I followed HPZM`s relentless work, dedication and sharing for many years and highly appreciate it, and would be one of the last to try do something like you mentioned in your reply.

Let me try break this topic about the ai image generation down into one clear and quintessential thing without further need to expand any unneeded discussion.

Drawing an accurate image of Satan`s appearance is an extremely (if not the most) difficult task per se which is understandable. If it wasn`t, one best attempt from the best artist after many years would have sufficed to accomplish the art. But then again, he would have had to somehow prove that he himself is gifted with godly art craft, which can not be easily verified.

All I am saying is, AI does not fit this job for that reason. Calculating external data sources in an attempt to bring out reliable facelifted versions of a facial structure from a meaningful art image won`t suffice. I also want to mention that I respect all Zevist member`s views on how similar the ai generated image resembles his true looks according to their dreams and visions.

The old pictures of HIM on the JOS site where there for many years and have served goodly for the most part in my opinion. I didn`t see a urgent need for such replacement. I myself dedicated and was ok with Father Zeus`s superb and most beautiful facial expression from the beginning.

I made my dedication to Father Zeus many years ago. It was from the bottom of my soul. It was the most important decision for me. That`s why I felt the need to give out my 2 cents on this.

#33

If I complain about the sewage to the people responsible for this, they won't tell me to be a sewage engineer and be helpful instead of just complaining.

And I'm not offended, and especially not seriously, because it's such a small detail. I don't even want my opinion to be considered, I'm just saying.

Complaining about sewage makes sense when there is sewage.

Instead you see the grass across the street was trimmed and some flowers were planted for free by the mayor to spruce up the neighborhood, and you condemn him that he dared to plant some flowers and trim the grass for free, equating this work to the spilling of sewage.

It's time to grow up a little rather than be an entitled contrarian over nonsensical "principles" in your mind.

Leave the complaining when there is something to complain about. Usage of AI is nothing to complain about.

As I have said, it is the usage of a tool, not a soulless generation of something.

Go use a little bit of that AI and try to get results like High Priest Zevios has gotten, it is far from what you imagine it to be.

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#34

Looking at the I.A. picture. If your wondering it's not Artificial Intelligence though it is Artificial Intelligence in a sense. Think of it kinda like S.M.C. or Self-Modifying Code also known as Morphological Coding. You can implement psuedo-random or random effects in a game or program for example similar to procedural generation.

It's actually I.A. or Intelligent-Algorithms. It's basically a fancy word for artificialized specialty code as in reality all it's doing is using our data and "thinking" of something better albeit the intelligence is only beginning to come in and even then it'll take time to produce more serious things.

I'm not against artificial properties as someone who posses the Dragon's tail Lunar Nodes; South Node Leo and North Node Aquarius as well as being Cancarian and interacting not just with Pluto in Scorpio but Pluto in Aquarius just as well including being very interested in Science-Fantasy or Science-Fiction as people put it. I did many years ago in my youth deeply get involved with Anarchy Online Funcom's MMORPG and one of the few successful non-Fantasy MMORPG sold. The Norwegian Magic kinda like True Norwegian Black Metal deeply stained my soul positively for the better playing that game the artwork, music, and the items and their description. Deeply magickal and futuristic tones to the game.

In my personal opinion I like the new look better. Why?

Simply because he looks better, much if I may say so a quite handsome visage. But on top of that he looks more like he is longing to see the return of his kingdom on Earth and deeply pondering his desire to return Humanity back to it's Godly throne it deserve and was created to function in the manner to which by himself, Satan and the other myriad of Gods and entities desire Humanity to be it.

In simplest terms I see Satan quietly and patiently waiting for his day. I'm longing the day I can return to rebuild my kingdom on Earth.

As Nergal from Dimmu Borgir puts it, "As we slowly awaken from slumber to receive the light that shines forevermore".

#35

The update is more realistic. If one looks closer, it feels like the upper lip and some knuckles on the artwork needs to be fixed. I will be doing some work on it. The update is actually fantastic.

I hereby and humbly retract my statement, I won't be doing any further work on this. Not because of imcompetence, I think the picture is perfect the way it is.

#37

This is my favorite depiction of Lord Lucifer

Every dedicated Zevism must strive to free his mind from the "fallen angel" hang-up invented by the enemy.

Satan is God, the Most High, not a "fallen angel".

#38

Father Zeus's face is more beautiful in the new image!

#39

Use of AI to remaster original art is one of the best possible uses for it.

The new image looks great, it's a significant improvement over the old one. I have posted about my disdain for AI art before and will continue to in the future so I have no bias toward it. It was generated by someone who cared to stay faithful to the original work.

Unless talented artists step up and produce original works for the ministry, this is the best we can do with what we have.

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