A question for the clergy about Gods

[Black Magic]

Greetings, lately I’ve been performing power rituals of the Gods quite often, I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not. I don't have issues with sensitivity, i just dont get it why is that happening when I work with certain Gods I don’t get any response, even the during meditation after the ritual itself. There's aslo certain Gods what shows up even withoud any rituals while im not even thought about them. Do the Gods have their own preferences, or could I be doing something wrong in relation to certain Gods?

In my case, i working with Maat, Apollo, Nemesis, and Kronos so well, they're literaly influence my reality, but with King Paimon for example i feel nothing, i just recive images through 3rd eye that I just can't understand properly, sometimes i recive nothing at all, or just one image for 1 hour of ritual and meditation together

 

[Hidden Warrior [SG]]

Gods rituals can be used in many ways, and one of these is getting insights and messages from Gods.
This doesn't mean that you do a ritual and immediately receive clear feedback. This is more the case if you are not doing a ritual with the goal of getting answers to specific questions.

Achieving clear communication and reception from Gods is a long path. It is not sufficient to be sensitive. Lady Pythia herself stated that sometimes the communication with the Gods wasn't totally clear.

For sure one can have better affinity with some Gods than others. Nevertheless, the rituals work even if you don't see anything afterwards.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not.

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.

I don't have issues with sensitivity

It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

 

[Black Magic]

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

Greetings HP, I've read Plato, the dialogues, the apology of Socrates. There Socrates asks Euthyphron a question, and I will quote from Russian into English: "What is the use of the Gods from the gifts they receive from us? What they're give to people is understandable. But what's the use for them of what they get from us?" So, you're absolutely right that I've been here for 10 years, but I still don't understand our Gods at all, what can I give them as an ordinary mortal that the Gods don't have? The Gods have everything, they own this world, and I don't understand what value I am to them. This question has been bothering me for a long time, and only when i contact King Paimon he point me to that book and i come to that question again, i also had vision with him, it was fast, and he wanted me to understand that moment more better. Also, you told what the Gods shows up then when they want to, and it's true, Nemesis has already appeared in my life like this, even when I wasn't thinking about her, It was unexpected everytime when she's shows up

 

[Eudora]

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

High Priestess,

With all due respect, I would like to offer my perspective on this matter, especially considering my active participation in the Spanish-speaking community.

I completely agree with your assertion that the Gods are supreme, sovereign, and individual beings who decide when and to whom they manifest. However, conditioning the presence or response of the Gods on the performance of "significant work for the Temple" is a position I do not consider correct. The relationship between a deity and a practitioner is unique. Turning this connection into something transactional can discourage people from seeking guidance, creating an environment where members stop asking questions for fear of a defensive response.

Each practitioner operates at their own pace. Spiritual development is not linear; daily routines, obligations, and individual energy blockages affect each person differently. A strict requirement of "more than 10 years of practice" ignores these personal realities. Furthermore, as the High Priest mentioned earlier, the Gods manifest through diverse cultures and means, demonstrating that their interaction with humanity extends far beyond administrative or institutional productivity.

For a person to contribute meaningfully to the Temple, they must first have the opportunity to progress and evolve. This evolution requires a constructive environment where questions are addressed clearly, rather than dismissed based on hierarchy or seniority.

Many here encourage participation in ToZ, which is undoubtedly valuable. However, many people do their work outside the Temple, in their local communities and environments. If someone dedicates time to their community, sharing this knowledge, they are working for the Gods. The Gods operate in many ways, and I speak with absolute certainty about this because they have manifested in different areas of my life, even during times when I distanced myself from ToZ.

There is a vast world outside that needs to be built. It may be based on ToZ, yes, but while some dedicate their time here, others integrate this knowledge into their daily lives, exemplifying the Gods through their everyday actions. This, in itself, is already working for them.

Perhaps I'm mistaken in my perception, but that's how I feel here.


"Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are."
Regarding this comment: what may be completely obvious to you might not be to others. If someone is asking a question, it's precisely because they don't yet fully understand it. Therefore, I believe it's everyone's duty here—especially those of us who do understand—to offer better guidance and understanding, always based on empathy.

I remember well that we come from a past understanding; perhaps this person became engrossed in personal matters, neglecting the Gods, and experienced something that led them to change their ritual practices. Now, after 10 years, they simply don't know how to approach this topic.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way; I'm simply offering an opinion that can be accepted or rejected, without imposing anything or doing anything that might hurt anyone.

I speak Spanish, and writing in English isn't my strong suit. So I apologize if there are any grammatical errors. A language barrier might be present.

 

[I.Am.Radiant]

The Gods are never obligated to respond to anyone. They are far above us. Perhaps it's the way you write, but some of your posts make it seem like you don't understand our Gods and just how Supreme they are.

Leave aside "left hand path" occultism. That's not us. We understand the Gods, They are not mere beings that automatically appear to us when we want. They choose to, or They choose not to, and that is Their decision not any human's. And if you're not doing significant work for the Temple, then they have no reason to appear to you. Be thankful for the ones that have responded, instead of wondering why not all do. Have you been here 10+ years? No? Then there is no reason to wonder. It's just how it is.


It isn't about sensitivity overall. There are many aspects of the soul and chakras, you have some or many blockages. Unless your soul is fully purified, you have blockages, and this will prevent you from sensing certain energies. That's just how it is. Work on purifying and opening your soul.

Took the words right out of my mouth, High Priestess

This is exactly what I have learned from Clergy and well-known long term members posts; so know that truth and realistic expectations are clearly communicated here. Thank you for guiding us, im forever grateful

 

[I.Am.Radiant]

Greetings, lately I’ve been performing power rituals of the Gods quite often, I've noticed that some Gods respond better to my rituals, while others are not. I don't have issues with sensitivity, i just dont get it why is that happening when I work with certain Gods I don’t get any response, even the during meditation after the ritual itself. There's aslo certain Gods what shows up even withoud any rituals while im not even thought about them. Do the Gods have their own preferences, or could I be doing something wrong in relation to certain Gods?

In my case, i working with Maat, Apollo, Nemesis, and Kronos so well, they're literaly influence my reality, but with King Paimon for example i feel nothing, i just recive images through 3rd eye that I just can't understand properly, sometimes i recive nothing at all, or just one image for 1 hour of ritual and meditation together

After 10 years you are still asking what the Gods ask of you, that you dont understand them at all; yet in the same paragraph, claim to work with some of the highest ranking....that just doesnt line up for me.

The T of Z and Clergy posts have been crystal clear of what is expected, what we are expanding in, stepping into and breaking away from.

I mean this to be absolutely direct and honest, talk much less, read and listen much more.

I truly wish you growth on this path.

HP posts are an excellent source of guidance when lost, unsure and unclear:

New Zevist Terms: Becoming A Theophoros & Godhead - 10 Traits of Ma'at - Memory & Next Steps

On the Restoration of the Culture of the Gods and the Opening of the Next Phase THE TEN TENETS OF MA'AT I. THEOPHOROS | II. HIEROLOGIA | III. DIAUGEIA | IV. SAHUKATHAR | V. EUNOMIA VI. THEOTEKNIA | VII. EPISTEMODIA | VIII. PANTOMYSTEIA | IX. ALETHOMNESIS | X. MA'AT What you...

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[Black Magic]

After 10 years you are still asking what the Gods ask of you, that you dont understand them at all; yet in the same paragraph, claim to work with some of the highest ranking....that just doesnt line up for me.

The T of Z and Clergy posts have been crystal clear of what is expected, what we are expanding in, stepping into and breaking away from.

I mean this to be absolutely direct and honest, talk much less, read and listen much more.

I truly wish you growth on this path.

HP posts are an excellent source of guidance when lost, unsure and unclear:

New Zevist Terms: Becoming A Theophoros & Godhead - 10 Traits of Ma'at - Memory & Next Steps

On the Restoration of the Culture of the Gods and the Opening of the Next Phase THE TEN TENETS OF MA'AT I. THEOPHOROS | II. HIEROLOGIA | III. DIAUGEIA | IV. SAHUKATHAR | V. EUNOMIA VI. THEOTEKNIA | VII. EPISTEMODIA | VIII. PANTOMYSTEIA | IX. ALETHOMNESIS | X. MA'AT What you...

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I asked direct question, what the Gods need from humans? and you asked how i work with the High Ranking Gods? Execuse me, but, i always thought that they're all important no mater if you consider them High Ranket or not, I have never attached importance to this hierarchy, the relationship itself is important to me, regardless of whether I conduct these relationships as you claim with the "lower gods" or with the "higher gods" You also said that i should read and listen more, well, for 9 years i had no account, I only had the opportunity to read the Russian forum, and I never went to English. and since i started recently to study that language i shows up here. So, trust me, i read enough but i still have a lots of questions. Yes, you send me that link, so what? i read that before, it's still explains nothing. Some folks told me that Gods are teachers but they're cant exaplaing what do they're really need, i know what they're can give, i know what they're need strong humanity, but i have no clue why, why they're need all of this and what exactly they're need, what i can give them? I left this path many times, and the Gods kept bringing me back here again and again i have no clue why. the truth is that I feel completely ungrateful and it is not convenient for me to summon the Gods because I am aware of all their power, all their full power, but what can I give them in return?

Recently, about 20 minutes ago, I was meditating on the 4th chakra, and an emotional enlightenment came to me, on the level of catharsis, and I heard a voice in my head, i felt strong pressure on the third eye (not pain) and the voice said - memory. But I can't believe that's really enough for them? so just that we remember them? i guess there's something else for sure

 

[Black Magic]

The relationship between a deity and a practitioner is unique. Turning this connection into something transactional can discourage people from seeking guidance, creating an environment where members stop asking questions for fear of a defensive response.

You got fair point here, even in book i just reading, Socrated said that transactional relations with the Gods are not right, in my younghood, i left abrahamism because they're turned spirituality into barter - like if you dont do sins you're good and god love you and so on.

My benefits to the Gods go beyond the Internet, i do my deeds into real life in practice through my actions. But since I went back to the question of what benefits the Gods have from it? and I started thinking about it again. For example, am I doing a good thing - is it good because we think it's good or because it's bring benefits? It is logical to answer because it brings benefits and make people happy (for example) and therefore we consider it a good deed, which leads to the question - what benefits can my good deed bring to the Gods if they are already perfect? it's it form of hybris consider that we can make Gods more better or if we can bring them benefits if they're alredy the Gods?

 

[Eudora]

You got fair point here, even in book i just reading, Socrated said that transactional relations with the Gods are not right, in my younghood, i left abrahamism because they're turned spirituality into barter - like if you dont do sins you're good and god love you and so on.

My benefits to the Gods go beyond the Internet, i do my deeds into real life in practice through my actions. But since I went back to the question of what benefits the Gods have from it? and I started thinking about it again. For example, am I doing a good thing - is it good because we think it's good or because it's bring benefits? It is logical to answer because it brings benefits and make people happy (for example) and therefore we consider it a good deed, which leads to the question - what benefits can my good deed bring to the Gods if they are already perfect? it's it form of hybris consider that we can make Gods more better or if we can bring them benefits if they're alredy the Gods?

Questioning is useful, but questioning is useless without practice. Often, all your answers aren't here. ToZ is the beginning in many things. The only way to find the answers you seek is to practice the rituals. I tell you this from experience.

So keep practicing the rituals, write down everything you feel, see, etc., and at the end of the week or month, sit down and read everything you wrote. You'll find patterns. More than reading about the Gods, you have to experience them. If you don't experience them and remain paralyzed by questions, then I agree with many here. But take this opportunity and experience them for yourself; there's nothing else to do.

 

[Black Magic]

Questioning is useful, but questioning is useless without practice. Often, all your answers aren't here. ToZ is the beginning in many things. The only way to find the answers you seek is to practice the rituals. I tell you this from experience.

So keep practicing the rituals, write down everything you feel, see, etc., and at the end of the week or month, sit down and read everything you wrote. You'll find patterns. More than reading about the Gods, you have to experience them. If you don't experience them and remain paralyzed by questions, then I agree with many here. But take this opportunity and experience them for yourself; there's nothing else to do.

Fair point, I was thought about my question now and I made same conclusion what only one salvation I have it's direct spiritual work itself. But, it's gonna be my personal gnosis, I still unsure how I suppose to make difference between illusions and real interactions with Gods? For example, if I gonna ask the same question, they're gonna say me several things, but how I suppose to know if it's truth and if it's not my mind playing with me? Mostly this is the reason why I asked that question to Clergy because I trust that they're more powerful and know things more better. But if my personal work it's only one salvation in the way to the gnosis, well, so be it, but I presume what I gonna receive only that answer that gonna fits me because being objective it's hard... now I looked at I wrote before and I think that I do so much philosophy, so yeah, better it's just better work and that's all

 

[I.Am.Radiant]

I asked direct question, what the Gods need from humans? and you asked how i work with the High Ranking Gods? Execuse me, but, i always thought that they're all important no mater if you consider them High Ranket or not, I have never attached importance to this hierarchy, the relationship itself is important to me, regardless of whether I conduct these relationships as you claim with the "lower gods" or with the "higher gods" You also said that i should read and listen more, well, for 9 years i had no account, I only had the opportunity to read the Russian forum, and I never went to English. and since i started recently to study that language i shows up here. So, trust me, i read enough but i still have a lots of questions. Yes, you send me that link, so what? i read that before, it's still explains nothing. Some folks told me that Gods are teachers but they're cant exaplaing what do they're really need, i know what they're can give, i know what they're need strong humanity, but i have no clue why, why they're need all of this and what exactly they're need, what i can give them? I left this path many times, and the Gods kept bringing me back here again and again i have no clue why. the truth is that I feel completely ungrateful and it is not convenient for me to summon the Gods because I am aware of all their power, all their full power, but what can I give them in return?

Recently, about 20 minutes ago, I was meditating on the 4th chakra, and an emotional enlightenment came to me, on the level of catharsis, and I heard a voice in my head, i felt strong pressure on the third eye (not pain) and the voice said - memory. But I can't believe that's really enough for them? so just that we remember them? i guess there's something else for sure

Like I said I truly wish you growth and guidance on this path. I truly feel there is ample guidance here if you have the (figurative) ears to hear it.

I was simply making an honest observation based on the tone, and what you said. If you post here, but are not open to feedback on it based on various perceptions of it, might want to ask yourself why.

Maybe you are simply misunderstood, maybe you have it all figured out, thats not for me to decide, thats between you and the Gods. Be well and bless your journey seeking truth. I mean that.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

I asked direct question, what the Gods need from humans? and you asked how i work with the High Ranking Gods? Execuse me, but, i always thought that they're all important no mater if you consider them High Ranket or not, I have never attached importance to this hierarchy, the relationship itself is important to me, regardless of whether I conduct these relationships as you claim with the "lower gods" or with the "higher gods" You also said that i should read and listen more, well, for 9 years i had no account, I only had the opportunity to read the Russian forum, and I never went to English. and since i started recently to study that language i shows up here. So, trust me, i read enough but i still have a lots of questions. Yes, you send me that link, so what? i read that before, it's still explains nothing. Some folks told me that Gods are teachers but they're cant exaplaing what do they're really need, i know what they're can give, i know what they're need strong humanity, but i have no clue why, why they're need all of this and what exactly they're need, what i can give them? I left this path many times, and the Gods kept bringing me back here again and again i have no clue why. the truth is that I feel completely ungrateful and it is not convenient for me to summon the Gods because I am aware of all their power, all their full power, but what can I give them in return?

Recently, about 20 minutes ago, I was meditating on the 4th chakra, and an emotional enlightenment came to me, on the level of catharsis, and I heard a voice in my head, i felt strong pressure on the third eye (not pain) and the voice said - memory. But I can't believe that's really enough for them? so just that we remember them? i guess there's something else for sure

So I’m going to step in on this one here. One as you’ve stated you’ve been in the Russian forum. And yet you ask what the gods are requiring of you. If you can contribute to the temple via outreach or HoO then that is fine, you also must elevate yourself by working extensively on your soul. You feel ungrateful for leaving and coming back yet question the gods what they want. The main reason is to work on yourself. You seem to be very upset on finding an answer but the answers are right before you. The link @I.Am.Radiant sent you can be insightful. Stop using your logic to compensate, reread it with an open mind. I hope you take what other members are saying seriously as we are all in this together working on ourselves. Also a good step is something my GD has always told me, fortify with the basics. Start from there brother. Much love to you

Hail Zeus Brother