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by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:25 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

The core properties of numbers 1. The "all", divine monad, undivided, command, the point in infinity, universe, source of creation, primary cause 2. Duality, separation, discord, relationship, creation, destruction, imperfect, positive-negative, first division, the parting 3. Spirit, divi...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:52 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Kali Yuga, Satya Yuga, The "Demon" Kali and Goddess Kaali
Replies: 13
Views: 1039

Kali Yuga, Satya Yuga, The "Demon" Kali and Goddess Kaali

Is "Jehova" the same entity is the Demon Kali, whom the Kali Yuga is named after? No, they are not. To add some additional clarity to the whole Kali Yuga vs the Vedic Goddess Kali, since I've seen this come up before, the actual proper syntax for the Goddess in Latinization is closer to K...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:43 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: The Demon Kali
Replies: 9
Views: 367

Kali Yuga, Satya Yuga, The Demon Kali and Goddess Kali

Is "Jehova" the same entity is the Demon Kali, whom the Kali Yuga is named after? The Yuga's appear to be named after what one should actually seek in a Yuga, not as descriptive names of what the Yuga is. For example, during Satya-Yuga, we must seek Satya, as we do ourselves. This will le...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:20 pm
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Question for Hoodedcobra, cursing with sanskrit?
Replies: 24
Views: 693

Re: Question for Hoodedcobra, cursing with sanskrit?

As the title, is it okay to curse with sanskrit? I remember reading a long time ago that it's not okay from Maxine but I can't find the post. I know you can't use square but don't know for sure about just sanskrit. I'm mainly asking Hoodedcobra because it's a technical question that he only can ans...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:30 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Post disaproved?
Replies: 24
Views: 698

Re: Post disaproved?

i dont understand why my perfectly good post was disaproved. ... i dont want to beleive that after so many years but of them seemed nice. i wanted to learn and thought the forum would be ecsiting to be part of talk to others. i had no idea that this was so mean and i think i want to leave :( how do...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:25 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Reminder: There Are Still People That Want To Kill You For Practicing Yoga - Protect Yourself
Replies: 54
Views: 2542

Re: Reminder: There Are Still People That Want To Kill You For Practicing Yoga - Protect Yourself

If I wanted to feel like shit today I would have looked this up myself on the news or something. Guess I'm gonna need to arm up on anti-depressants to hang out here. We just need to be aware. Being aware should make you happy. You are fine, and others are fine too. Do not take the matter personally...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:31 pm
Forum: Teens4Satan
Topic: When Hitler gets mentioned at school?
Replies: 7
Views: 232

Re: When Hitler gets mentioned at school?

The world is as it is. Everyone has to do this at school, it's what one learns. You didn't choose this. Do what you have to do to pass the class. The truth currently is a private matter.
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:29 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Reminder: There Are Still People That Want To Kill You For Practicing Yoga - Protect Yourself
Replies: 54
Views: 2542

Re: Reminder: There Are Still People That Want To Kill You For Practicing Yoga - Protect Yourself

If I wanted to feel like shit today I would have looked this up myself on the news or something. Guess I'm gonna need to arm up on anti-depressants to hang out here. We just need to be aware. Being aware should make you happy. You are fine, and others are fine too. Do not take the matter personally...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:55 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

Hello, thanks for this information. :D Regarding the number 7, the Goddess Nemesis... Is it the Goddess Maat or is it just a concept for justice? I am associating these numbers to the houses in my birth chart and the planets that I have there. Hello Sister, yes, that is Goddess Maat. A lot of Gods ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:47 am
Forum: JoS Translation Forums
Topic: Estonian Translation Thread
Replies: 104
Views: 23155

Re: Estonian Translation Thread

Please mail us, everything is ready to begin translations in the platform: [email protected]
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:36 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Reminder: There Are Still People That Want To Kill You For Practicing Yoga - Protect Yourself
Replies: 54
Views: 2542

Reminder: There Are Still People That Want To Kill You For Practicing Yoga - Protect Yourself

An SS sent me this news article in my e-mail, and I wanted to make a reminder post. Many people, especially in the United States or in other places where a fake "peace" has taken place, are ignoring fundamental aspects of reality. Currently, there are still people in this world, and many o...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:09 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL
Replies: 112
Views: 7421

Re: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL

I call you by your Name: A, ZA, AZAZIL, ZAZIL , ON , APOLLON, ZAZIL, AZAZIL, ZA, A! Do i have to pronounce all the words separately i.e., A, ZA, before saying AZAZEL and so on... or A, ZA, ..... , ZAZIL are the vibrations of Azazel ? like we vibrate runes. also claryfy this ON , APOLLON, ZAZIL, AZA...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:34 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL
Replies: 112
Views: 7421

Re: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL

We will do the Azazel's Ritual again on Yom Kippur? ... I really don't think I have much if any connection with this God but I enjoy the rituals anyways and helping out. Of course it is normal to have stronger ties with some of the respect than others, myself despite the great admiration for Azazel...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:19 pm
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Girl wants to go Canada, but I'm going UK, another marriage proposal rejection :((
Replies: 42
Views: 1200

Re: Girl wants to go Canada, but I'm going UK, another marriage proposal rejection :((

... In the Vatican City State (until 2010) the legal age of consent for sex was 12. Example off corrupted laws in the west. If we would have not done any RTR they would have had no trouble and would have keept it as it was. The Vatican is not the "West", it's more like a lawless land or t...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:07 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: I'm not longer participating in this forum
Replies: 18
Views: 810

Re: I'm not longer participating in this forum

Why, are you having a bad time? Or you feel like quitting? I recall reading some posts sometime back, where you describe how you were trying to advance.

Regardless, good luck with everything.
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:00 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Girl wants to go Canada, but I'm going UK, another marriage proposal rejection :((
Replies: 42
Views: 1200

Re: Girl wants to go Canada, but I'm going UK, another marriage proposal rejection :((

That is not "pedophilia". Pedo is when adults are with others who are below the age of puberty or before reasonable ages like 13 or 14. Common law describes this quite well as it is right now. 20 to 43 or even 50 can be normal. Although unusual, that is not that much out of the ordinary. ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:11 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL
Replies: 112
Views: 7421

Re: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL

We will do the Azazel's Ritual again on Yom Kippur? With luck they will get caught in one of their rituals somewhere and have this exposed to the whole world. This year I will visualize that during final rtr that time of year. But yeah I was thinking this would be a good time to do this ritual I ki...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:54 pm
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Male blood donor turned away from clinic for refusing to say if he's pregnant
Replies: 12
Views: 397

Re: Male blood donor turned away from clinic for refusing to say if he's pregnant

... wtf...How the hell do you ask a man if he is "pregnant"? https://i.ibb.co/FVt2Dsb/youre-pregnant-tony-toretto.gif Because knowledge is a dangerous and frightening thing. We are becoming too clever, so (((they))) are trying to 1984 us and change the way we speak; therefore, the way we ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:44 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

Incredible information! I wonder if this will ever be expanded upon? This is trully divine knowledge. Yes, of course, it will be expanded upon, and of course, everyone can see their own associations and do further research based on a sound basis now. It's make sense ,i been straggling to learn nume...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:18 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL
Replies: 112
Views: 7421

SUMMER SOLSTICE RITUAL 2022 - AZAZEL'S RITUAL

Greetings to all of our Satanic Family, The Summer Solstice is upon us. As we all have seen, the Joy of Satan is rapidly expanding, and we are manifesting more and more the will of the Gods. The Summer Solstice is a good time to celebrate, and to look forward for more creative potential. Among the a...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:55 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Girl wants to go Canada, but I'm going UK, another marriage proposal rejection :((
Replies: 42
Views: 1200

Re: Girl wants to go Canada, but I'm going UK, another marriage proposal rejection :((

Hitler and Eva Braun had an age gap of 24 years lol First, you can't compare NPCs to Gods, like I already stated. Meddling in their affairs is unwise. Secondly, he always looked younger than his own age. I mentioned APPARENT age, not legal age. All ladies tell me I look 21 at most, while I'm quite ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:37 am
Forum: JoS Translation Forums
Topic: Estonian Translation Thread
Replies: 104
Views: 23155

Re: Estonian Translation Thread

I believe in 1-2 days, everything will be ready for the project to officially begin.

Thank you.
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:46 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: numbers meaning and their combinations
Replies: 12
Views: 448

Re: numbers meaning and their combinations

Tanks you "HP" But accept that the information I gave was not so wrong According to what you said, I will complete it and deliver it with allegory and etc. and shammash and Lucifer will help about informations,To hasten end of this war. Ask yourself, genuinely, what do you make of this, f...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:05 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

Thanks for the info. I shall await for the further updates and knowledge. But can you briefly speak about 18? Does it combine the power of 8 and 1? Or does it carry a "higher vibration" of 9? Also, I have been doing 20 reps of the Venus planetary mantra for a material working. Seeing that...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:00 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

5. The five elements, union, connection, eros, shape and form, beauty, splendor, balance, harmony .... In this case does the word ''eros'' literally mean ''love'' or is it allegorical? Would that mean the number 5 is good in love works? [ by the way, on the page you created about numerology ( which...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:37 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

13 is a great number for general uses. 13 is not a bad number to use so have no doubts about your workings. Unless you used something really wrong that would be "against" Venus, ie, something like 2 or 4, then you should be fine. If your working is spiritual, then 13 is even more fitting....
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:32 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: numbers meaning and their combinations
Replies: 12
Views: 448

Re: numbers meaning and their combinations

Tanks you "HP" But accept that the information I gave was not so wrong According to what you said, I will complete it and deliver it with allegory and etc. and shammash and Lucifer will help about informations,To hasten end of this war. Ask yourself, genuinely, what do you make of this, f...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:45 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

I have been using 13 (number of venus) affirmations for a working, because my goal is related to something ruled by venus. Not doing a square though Should i switch to one of these numbers? If 13 does not work like as i deduced it. From where does it arise that 13 is of Venus, so that you made this...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:39 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: JOY OF SATAN LIBRARY : FULLY UPDATED! [24 June 2022 - IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED DOMAINS - CONTACT!]
Replies: 142
Views: 16395

Re: JOY OF SATAN LIBRARY : FULLY UPDATED! [19 June 2022 - IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED DOMAINS - CONTACT!

Update: 19 June 2022 Infrastructure is on preparation for everyone to do the translations. We are doing our best to accelerate this, so that every translation team is accommodated. There is a lot of work that is going on. Certain countries are posing a difficulty level compared to others, and to en...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:36 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

I have been using 13 (number of venus) affirmations for a working, because my goal is related to something ruled by venus. Not doing a square though Should i switch to one of these numbers? If 13 does not work like as i deduced it. From where does it arise that 13 is of Venus, so that you made this...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:21 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Re: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

You have said 9 was about "endings", I thought it was in a negative way. So, do not we use 9 for cleanse or destroy now? It is only about finalizing and completing? Then what should I use for cleansing, only 2? Can you clarify this, HP? I have said it's about endings, yes. A destruction, ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:58 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10
Replies: 75
Views: 3994

Numerology - "The Core Meanings Of Basic Numbers" 1-10

Numerology is important for any aspiring occultist, and it is necessary to know the properties of numbers to progress spiritually in your workings. In this section, you will find information about the numbers. Most of this information circulating the web, is based on Hebrew sources and has been quit...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:13 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: numbers meaning and their combinations
Replies: 12
Views: 448

Re: numbers meaning and their combinations

Much of this is inaccurate, please make sure to check out the new section in JoS which is going live soon, and cross over your findings. The more nonsense information is added, the less the chances of having success with this and/or a working based on this. 6, for example, is completely false, and ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:39 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: numbers meaning and their combinations
Replies: 12
Views: 448

Re: numbers meaning and their combinations

Much of this is inaccurate, please make sure to check out the new section in JoS which is going live soon, and cross over your findings. The more nonsense information is added, the less the chances of having success with this and/or a working based on this. 6, for example, is completely false, and s...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:48 pm
Forum: JoS Translation Forums
Topic: Estonian Translation Thread
Replies: 104
Views: 23155

Re: Estonian Translation Thread

The Real Holocaust is now more-less finished. Now I will start working with Joy of Satan main page. Thanks, I will upload Real Holocaust on Mega and post the link. If you start translating JoS, is best to contact HP Hooded Cobra first as he will obtain a domain for JoS Estonian (unless he got it al...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:21 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?
Replies: 41
Views: 3332

Re: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?

... -High Priest Hooded Cobra 666 Where did you learn the interpretations of the myths? The very basics of it, because of knowledge of my ancestral religion. You can learn these basics just by studying the general knowledge of the subject. Most of the knowledge of serious magnitude arrives when you...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:06 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?
Replies: 41
Views: 3332

Re: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?

Likewise, every statement in the myths, has nothing to do with literal information. Are there some cases whereby certain myths or properties of the myth have a literal and or more specifically physical projection that can be considered literal? Yes, there is one such case, and that is of astronomic...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:13 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?
Replies: 41
Views: 3332

Re: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Pride Month?

... ... Similarly, it also reminds me how Survive the Jive, in one of his latest videos, attempted to push a false narrative according to which our Ancestors "practiced sex with horses before doing a blood sacrifice with them". What a disgusting sellout! ... That's a common level of retar...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:03 am
Forum: BlackSun666 Forum
Topic: Are Janus and Ganesh the same God? Which of our Demons are they supposed to be?
Replies: 10
Views: 437

Re: Are Janus and Ganesh the same God? Which of our Demons are they supposed to be?

I have read many sources, both from Western Orientalists and Hindus Anthropologists that claimed that the Roman God Janus is the Hindu God Ganesh and that they share many similarities, such as being both "remover of obstacles". Is it true? Also, which of the Goetic Demons is their identit...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:21 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?
Replies: 41
Views: 3332

Transexuality, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Pride Month?

... ... But also trans kids don't have the legal right to transition before 18 in America. By that time we have grown into bearded men and it's irreversible. This causes suicidal depression. Look to the enarie of scythia, hermaphroditus, tiresias, cinaedus, gallia, asushunamir, argr shaman, Seidr o...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:46 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Is this jos facebook group????
Replies: 7
Views: 346

Re: Is this jos facebook group????

No, and be careful, cause these might be of the enemy or rife with infiltrators.
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:13 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: Satan told me our Planets name is ‘Juvenile’
Replies: 23
Views: 1016

Re: Satan told me our Planets name is ‘Juvenile’

Think on why you might have heard of such a thing, and look around you...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:24 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: About When 12 Year Olds Start Robbing Like It's Nothing - News Of Mass Shootings
Replies: 40
Views: 4156

Re: About When 12 Year Olds Start Robbing Like It's Nothing - News Of Mass Shootings

Unfortunately, when Hungary embraced Christianity, it failed. That was what they were fighting against before. Jews infiltrated, and there must have been traitors. This country has been going downhill ever since. Slowly but surely. All countries that adopted and took xianity seriously, just became ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:19 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: The "Left Hand Path" And Ourselves
Replies: 35
Views: 4368

Re: The "Left Hand Path" And Ourselves

I remember when I read the satanic Bible, Crowley says that one should always be in a state of Trance. How good can that be. I guess that's why they do drugs too. They do all kinds of unhealthy shit and have all kinds of insane lifestyles just for their ego. Exactly, Crowley was a manifestation of ...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:17 pm
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: The 666, The WWW, Saturday, And Hexagram
Replies: 52
Views: 4846

Re: The 666, The WWW, Saturday, And Hexagram

When ever I see this Topic, I feel there are knowledge pertaining this to practice. There is, the point is to educate and then share the knowledge, but first, when there is no education and one is fighting against so many long hoaxes and subjects like Saturn is here to kill us all, it's quite diffi...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:47 am
Forum: Joy Of Satan 666
Topic: About magical squares
Replies: 19
Views: 873

Re: About magical squares

Hello there! A month ago I started to do the mercury square and have already done 29 days out of 64. Unfortunately today I started doing a session 6 minutes before sunrise and finished doing it 10 minutes after sunrise. Isn't the square gone? Should I keep doing the square? Thanks in advance You ca...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:23 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: The "Left Hand Path" And Ourselves
Replies: 35
Views: 4368

Re: The "Left Hand Path" And Ourselves

I have a question about Crowley in this regard. I was reading through the first chapter of "The Book of Thoth" and I had a very hard time understanding it. It was filled with kabbalastic nonsense and that awful tetragrammaton. Is there anything useful in this book? There's one book that w...
by HP. Hoodedcobra666
Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:20 am
Forum: Important Articles from JoS Ministry
Topic: GUIDE: HOW TO DONATE TO THE JOY OF SATAN WITH CRYPTOCURRENCIES
Replies: 29
Views: 2905

Re: GUIDE: HOW TO DONATE TO THE JOY OF SATAN WITH CRYPTOCURRENCIES

Can we also use FTX for donating? I mean some of these services have actual personal data connected to them and wallets aren't really anonymous (it's obvious that this shouldn't really hinder anybody into making any donation yet still, I want to ask). Also , if I recall correctly, some time ago HP....